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1. 01:55 AM - Re: Fw: Special EAA Announcement: Opposition to Newly Introduced (Bob Conner)
2. 06:06 AM - Special EAA Announcement: Opposition to Newly Introduced Bill (Rich Ellis)
3. 07:23 AM - Re: Fw: Dell Image Expert images from Album (von Allmen Guido)
4. 09:48 AM - Re: Fw: Dell Image Expert images from Album"Tailwind NX374WT" (red)
5. 11:18 AM - Re: W10 Wing (Fred Weaver)
6. 11:24 AM - Re: N99763 (Fred Weaver)
7. 12:23 PM - Re: W10 Wing (Estelle Danner)
8. 02:20 PM - Re: W10 Wing (mytyweav@earthlink.net)
9. 04:18 PM - Slow Cruzin' to the Michigan Gathering (William Bernard)
10. 04:24 PM - Re: Fw: Dell Image Expert images from Album "Tailwind NX374WT" (William Bernard)
11. 04:41 PM - Michigan Gathering of Tailwinds Pictures (William Bernard)
12. 04:43 PM - MG of T - More PIctures (William Bernard)
13. 05:35 PM - Re: [TailwindForum] MG of T - More PIctures (flamini2)
14. 05:36 PM - Plainwell 9-11-04 Flyin (flamini2)
15. 05:55 PM - 9-11-04 Plainwell, Mich. (flamini2)
16. 05:55 PM - 9-11-04 Plainwell, Mich. (flamini2)
17. 06:12 PM - 9-11-04 Plainwell, Mich. (flamini2)
18. 07:14 PM - Re: Slow Cruzin' to the Michigan Gathering (mytyweav@earthlink.net)
19. 07:17 PM - Re: Michigan Gathering of Tailwinds Pictures (mytyweav@earthlink.net)
20. 07:19 PM - Re: MG of T - More PIctures (mytyweav@earthlink.net)
21. 07:21 PM - Re: Plainwell 9-11-04 Flyin (mytyweav@earthlink.net)
22. 07:25 PM - Re: 9-11-04 Plainwell, Mich. (mytyweav@earthlink.net)
23. 07:38 PM - Re: Plainwell 9-11-04 Flyin (Dave Conrad)
24. 09:20 PM - Re: Re: [TailwindForum] MG of T - More PIctures (Al Moldenhauer)
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Bill
| Subject: | Fw: Special EAA Announcement: Opposition to Newly Introduced |
Bill
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Bob Conner" <bdconner@hotmail.com>
I just sent mine......................Bob 149
Do not archive
From: "red" redswings@reds-headers.com
Subject: Tailwind-List: Fw:Special EAA Announcement:Opposition to Newly Introduced
Bill
-- Tailwind-List message posted by: "red" redswings@reds-headers.com
I just sent my letter to my representative, I urge you all to do the same.
Red
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brenda Anderson" banderson@eaa.org
Subject: Special EAA Announcement: Opposition to Newly Introduced Bill
EAA URGES MEMBERS TO OPPOSE OUTRAGEOUS HOUSE BILL
THAT WOULD SEVERELY RESTRICT GENERAL AVIATION
****************************************************************************
******************
The Experimental Aircraft Association is urging its members and all aviation
enthusiasts
to contact their Congressional representatives and strongly oppose a newly
introduced
bill by Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-N.Y.)
This bill (H.R. 5035) would require the Department of Homeland Security to
create a
method of screening all passengers and property on each flight of all
passenger
aircraft in the U.S., including general aviation aircraft of all types.It
would also prohibit
non-airline aircraft from flying within 1,500 feet of any structure or
building, and prohibit
non-airline aircraft from flying over any U.S. city with a population of 1
million or more.
It would further require that pilots of all aircraft in U.S. airspace remain
in contact with the
Federal Aviation Administration, presumably by radio, regardless of altitude
or location.
"The extreme shortsightedness of this bill speaks for itself and completely
counters the
government's own security experts, who have continually stated that general
aviation
does not pose a significant security threat to the U.S.," said Doug Macnair,
EAA's Vice
President of Government Relations."It's sad that the solemn anniversary of
9/11 terrorist
attacks is being used to introduce this bill, which does nothing to enhance
security and smacks
of election-year grandstanding."
With 17,000 landing facilities and nearly 200,000 aircraft in the United
States, EAA maintains
that it is inconceivable that the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and
FAA could ever
fund and administer such a plan.DHS and the Transportation Security
Administration have
repeatedly indicated that general aviation does not warrant such levels of
security when
compared to other transportation modes and threats.
"We as a nation need to focus our limited resources on the most serious
vulnerabilities
and threats to our security," Macnair added."TSA has made extensive
studies of those
threats and nowhere has that agency ever suggested such draconian measures
as those
proposed in this bill."
EAA members and others can express their opposition to this bill to their
congressional
representatives by finding their contact information at
http://www.house.gov.EAA
immediately contacted members of the House Aviation Subcommittee to state
its
extreme opposition to this legislation.
For additional information please go to the EAA website at
http://www.eaa.org.
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| Subject: | Special EAA Announcement: Opposition to Newly Introduced |
Bill
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Rich Ellis <rjrellis@yahoo.com>
Red,
I submitted an e-mail to my Congressman and would urge
others to do the say. To make is easy, please feel
free to cut and paste the message below to your
respresenatives which can be found at - www.house.gov
TOPIC: HOMELAND SECURITY
Congressman .... I am writing to voice my opposition
to the recent bill (H.R. 5035) introduced by Rep.
Anthony Weiner (D-N.Y.) requiring the Department of
Homeland Security to create a method of screening all
passengers and property on each flight of all
passenger aircraft in the U.S., INCLUDING GENERAL
AVIATION AIRCRAFT OF ALL TYPES.
DHS and the Transportation Security
Administration have repeatedly indicated that GENERAL
AVIATION does not warrant such levels of security when
compared to other transportation modes and threats. We
as a nation need to focus our limited resources on the
most serious vulnerabilities and threats to our
security. TSA has made extensive studies of those
threats and nowhere has that agency ever suggested
such draconian measures as those proposed in this bill
for GENERAL AVIATION.
Congressman, I would urge you to support homeland
security measures that would target 'real' and 'known'
threats to our national security and not attact the
entire GENERAL AVIATION community. We need not waste
our limited resourse given for homeland security.
Respectfully Submitted - Richard L. Ellis, M.D., La
Crosse, WI.
--- Bob Conner <bdconner@hotmail.com> wrote:
---------------------------------
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Bob Conner"
I just sent mine......................Bob 149
Do not archive
>From: "red" <redswings@reds-headers.com>
>Reply-To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
>To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Tailwind-List: Fw: Special EAA
Announcement: Opposition to Newly Introduced Bill
>Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 21:39:45 -0700
>
>--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "red"
<redswings@reds-headers.com>
>
>I just sent my letter to my representative, I urge
you all to do the same.
>Red
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Brenda Anderson" <banderson@eaa.org>
>To: <ChapterEgram@eaamail.org>
>Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:27 AM
>Subject: Special EAA Announcement: Opposition to
Newly Introduced Bill
>
>
>
>EAA URGES MEMBERS TO OPPOSE OUTRAGEOUS HOUSE BILL
>THAT WOULD SEVERELY RESTRICT GENERAL AVIATION
>****************************************************************************
>******************
>
>
>The Experimental Aircraft Association is urging its
members and all aviation
>enthusiasts
>to contact their Congressional representatives and
strongly oppose a newly
>introduced
>bill by Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-N.Y.)
>
>This bill (H.R. 5035) would require the Department of
Homeland Security to
>create a
>method of screening all passengers and property on
each flight of all
>passenger
>aircraft in the U.S., including general aviation
aircraft of all types. It
>would also prohibit
>non-airline aircraft from flying within 1,500 feet of
any structure or
>building, and prohibit
>non-airline aircraft from flying over any U.S. city
with a population of 1
>million or more.
>It would further require that pilots of all aircraft
in U.S. airspace remain
>in contact with the
>Federal Aviation Administration, presumably by radio,
regardless of altitude
>or location.
>
>"The extreme shortsightedness of this bill speaks for
itself and completely
>counters the
>government's own security experts, who have
continually stated that general
>aviation
>does not pose a significant security threat to the
U.S.," said Doug Macnair,
>EAA's Vice
>President of Government Relations. "It's sad that
the solemn anniversary of
>9/11 terrorist
>attacks is being used to introduce this bill, which
does nothing to enhance
>security and smacks
>of election-year grandstanding."
>
>With 17,000 landing facilities and nearly 200,000
aircraft in the United
>States, EAA maintains
>that it is inconceivable that the Department of
Homeland Security (DHS) and
>FAA could ever
>fund and administer such a plan. DHS and the
Transportation Security
>Administration have
>repeatedly indicated that general aviation does not
warrant such levels of
>security when
>compared to other transportation modes and threats.
>
>"We as a nation need to focus our limited resources
on the most serious
>vulnerabilities
>and threats to our security," Macnair added. "TSA
has made extensive
>studies of those
>threats and nowhere has that agency ever suggested
such draconian measures
>as those
>proposed in this bill."
>
>EAA members and others can express their opposition
to this bill to their
>congressional
>representatives by finding their contact information
at
>http://www.house.gov. EAA
>immediately contacted members of the House Aviation
Subcommittee to state
>its
>extreme opposition to this legislation.
>
>For additional information please go to the EAA
website at
>http://www.eaa.org.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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"Tailwind NX374WT"
| Subject: | Re: Fw: Dell Image Expert images from Album |
"Tailwind NX374WT"
Sorry Red,
But I can't figure out where exactly these little shockmounts and rubber
fairings are placed?
Guido
From: "red" <redswings@reds-headers.com>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Fw: Dell Image Expert images from Album "Tailwind
NX374WT"
Well Bill, here they are, not even a month later. Sorry that they are so
close up, like looking at a fleas knees.
Red
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Dell Image Expert images from Album"Tailwind NX374WT" |
Re: Tailwind-List: Fw: Dell Image Expert images from Album "Tailwind NX374WT"Guido,
It is difficult to figure out anything from the photos becuase they are taken from
so close.
The cylindrical devices are near the middle of the diagonal tubes under the windshield
and up to support the windshield, the flat pads are between the front
spar carry-through and the windshield.
The cylinders are one of the male threaded parts with two of the female threaded
parts with the outer thread bosses (metal) removed--they get tighter when flying
than whern installed. The pads get looser when flying, that is part of the
section of the windshield that is developing lift.
They do make the windshield vibrate less, and may offer some additional strength
to the winshield in case of bird strike or?
Red
----- Original Message -----
From: von Allmen Guido
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 7:24 AM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Fw: Dell Image Expert images from Album"Tailwind
NX374WT"
Sorry Red,
But I can't figure out where exactly these little shockmounts and rubber fairings
are placed?
Guido
From: "red" <redswings@reds-headers.com>
Reply-To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 21:01:08 -0700
To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Fw: Dell Image Expert images from Album "Tailwind NX374WT"
Well Bill, here they are, not even a month later. Sorry that they are so close
up, like looking at a fleas knees.
Red
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver" <Mytyweav@earthlink.net>
Now Bob..... Did "Ford" ever make a 454?
Do not archive..
Weav
----- Original Message -----
From: "Estelle Danner" <edanner@jvlnet.com>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: W10 Wing
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Estelle Danner" <edanner@jvlnet.com>
>
> 454 ,409 ,396, 502 who cares big and tough is all that counts Bob
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <mytyweav@earthlink.net>
> To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 7:21 AM
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: W10 Wing
>
>
> > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "mytyweav@earthlink.net"
> <mytyweav@earthlink.net>
> >
> > Hahahahahaha..... I was wondering about the same thing..
> > Weav
> >
> > Original Message:
> > -----------------
> > From: red redswings@reds-headers.com
> > Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 21:43:58 -0700
> > To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: W10 Wing
> >
> >
> > 454 Ford ?
> > Red
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Earl Luce
> > To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
> > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 7:11 PM
> > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: W10 Wing
> >
> >
> > Bob,
> > Small world ? I thought he was kidding when he told me he was
there
> .
> > The pulleys were the hangar next to mine . I found a pulley at the car
> > parts store that works great . It is from a power steering unit off a
454
> > Ford .
> > Earl
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Estelle Danner
> > To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 9:43 PM
> > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: W10 Wing
> >
> >
> > Hi Earl Hey did your door pulleys break does that guy form new
zeland
> > have a zeinith 701 in your hanger Bob Danner
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Earl Luce
> > To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 8:01 PM
> > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: W10 Wing
> >
> >
> > I'm sure that Jim Irwin would like to know . The lady in charge of
> > the Wittman plans is Jennifer Silvey jennifersilvey@aircraftspruce.com
She
> > is a great gal and will take care of it .
> > Earl Luce
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Louis Owen
> > To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 9:37 AM
> > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: W10 Wing
> >
> >
> > Someone better see to it that Acft. Spruce gets this
information.
> > Lou Former 6PJ
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Jim and Donna Clement
> > To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 8:15 AM
> > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: W10 Wing
> >
> >
> > Mike, Steve's plans did have the plywood plates shown on the
> > plans. Aircraft Spruce is responsible for the plywood omission, They had
> > someone in Canada redraw the plans and that is the way they came back. I
> > agree it is inexcusable that they send out something like that without
> > adding at least a revision drawing attached. Spruce has no idea what a
> > Tailwind is, only $. Jim C
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Ruhnke, Mike
> > To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 7:32 AM
> > Subject: Tailwind-List: W10 Wing
> >
> >
> > Revisiting the wing root fuselage connection.
> >
> > My plan set, #1137, did not clearly state that plywood
> doublers
> > were to be installed at the root of the main spar. In an amateur built
> > aircraft such a detail being left rule-of-thumb is inexcusable. As I
> > understand it Steve did not draw the plans, a fellow he gave flight
> lessons
> > to did them.
> >
> > Last night I preliminarily evaluated the spar material
without
> > the plywood doublers. It is very weak loaded perpendicular to the
grain.
> > When I added plywood to the sides of another test sample I was unable to
> > break the sample in my simple loading device. I will prepare better
> > samples and test them in a manner that I can put numbers to the forces
> > required to fracture the samples. But for now bottom line. Since so
many
> > plan sets went out without clearly calling out for the plywood. I
> recommend
> > that if you are not sure the plywood is in there cut an inspection hole
in
> > the bottom surface of the wing and have a look.
> >
> > HAD I NOT BEEN A MEMBER OF THIS LIST I WOULD NEVER HAD
CAUGHT
> > MY MISTAKE AND THAT MISTAKE MOST LIKELY WOULD HAVE KILLED ME AND ANY
> > UNFORTUNATE SOUL WHO HAD PUT THERE LIFE IN MY HANDS BY ACCEPTING A RIDE
> > FROM ME. The mistake I mention would be a mistake only recognized by an
> > experienced builder. Once you close a Tailwind wing it makes it very
> > difficult to inspect.
> >
> > Mike Ruhnke
> > Mechanical Engineer, BSME University of Illinois
> >
> > From the accident report on N654 1999.
> >
> > TESTS AND RESEARCH
> >
> > The inboard 15-inches of the right wing spar was sent to the
> > United States
> >
> > Department of Agriculture (USDA) Forest Product Laboratory,
> > Madison,
> >
> > Wisconsin, for examination.
> >
> > According to an examination report, provided by USDA Forest
> > Product
> >
> > Laboratory, the accident wing spar was constructed of Sitka
> > Spruce (Picea
> >
> > sitchensis). The failure surface of the spar was, "...spilt
> > cleanly into
> >
> > two pieces by a force that was perpendicular to the
direction
> > of the
> >
> > grain." The report further stated, "It appears that the bolt
> > holes that
> >
> > were drilled through the spars to accept the 1/4-inch bolts
> > were not all
> >
> > drilled perpendicular to the spar's outer surfaces."
> > Examination of the
> >
> > second hole from the inboard end, "suggests that this
> > particular hole was
> >
> > drilled twice to make the bolt for this connection fit." The
> > report
> >
> > stated, "...the holes that are on either side of the spar
are
> > not evenly
> >
> > spaced. There is also considerable difference in the
diameter
> > of the
> >
> > middle two holes relative to the diameter of the outer two
> > holes."
> >
> > The full USDA Forest Product Laboratory examination report
is
> > attached to
> >
> > this report.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---
> > Version: 6.0.744 / Virus Database: 496 - Release Date:
> 8/24/2004
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver" <Mytyweav@earthlink.net>
Mike......... YOU WORRY WAY TOO MUCH!!! What is going to happen if you
actually decide to fly that thing you are building? Are you actually
concerned about your airframe? There have been hundreds of Tailwinds built
and flown. Many many have had no problems at all.. Craftsmanship and common
sense seem to work quite successfully. Time to get it on..... My
Tailwind just carried me over the most intense Geography I've seen in years.
The Rockies are really very intimidating but a good Tailwind and a Lycoming
provided safe and awesome travel....
Weav
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ruhnke, Mike" <ruhnkem@rayovac.com>
Subject: Tailwind-List: N99763
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Ruhnke, Mike" <ruhnkem@rayovac.com>
>
> Any one know the history of N99763 Serial# 167. Built by KECSKES. I found
an accident report on it that stated, "landed hard; broke gear, broke wing
spar. No injuries.
>
> I'm wondering if a very hard landing can injure (crack but not break) the
main spar connection to the fusalage.
>
> Mike
>
>
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Estelle Danner" <edanner@jvlnet.com>
no
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Weaver" <Mytyweav@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: W10 Wing
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver"
<Mytyweav@earthlink.net>
>
> Now Bob..... Did "Ford" ever make a 454?
> Do not archive..
> Weav
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Estelle Danner" <edanner@jvlnet.com>
> To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 7:29 AM
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: W10 Wing
>
>
> > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Estelle Danner"
<edanner@jvlnet.com>
> >
> > 454 ,409 ,396, 502 who cares big and tough is all that counts Bob
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <mytyweav@earthlink.net>
> > To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 7:21 AM
> > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: W10 Wing
> >
> >
> > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "mytyweav@earthlink.net"
> > <mytyweav@earthlink.net>
> > >
> > > Hahahahahaha..... I was wondering about the same thing..
> > > Weav
> > >
> > > Original Message:
> > > -----------------
> > > From: red redswings@reds-headers.com
> > > Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 21:43:58 -0700
> > > To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
> > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: W10 Wing
> > >
> > >
> > > 454 Ford ?
> > > Red
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Earl Luce
> > > To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 7:11 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: W10 Wing
> > >
> > >
> > > Bob,
> > > Small world ? I thought he was kidding when he told me he was
> there
> > .
> > > The pulleys were the hangar next to mine . I found a pulley at the car
> > > parts store that works great . It is from a power steering unit off a
> 454
> > > Ford .
> > > Earl
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Estelle Danner
> > > To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 9:43 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: W10 Wing
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Earl Hey did your door pulleys break does that guy form new
> zeland
> > > have a zeinith 701 in your hanger Bob Danner
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Earl Luce
> > > To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 8:01 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: W10 Wing
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm sure that Jim Irwin would like to know . The lady in charge
of
> > > the Wittman plans is Jennifer Silvey jennifersilvey@aircraftspruce.com
> She
> > > is a great gal and will take care of it .
> > > Earl Luce
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Louis Owen
> > > To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 9:37 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: W10 Wing
> > >
> > >
> > > Someone better see to it that Acft. Spruce gets this
> information.
> > > Lou Former 6PJ
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Jim and Donna Clement
> > > To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 8:15 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: W10 Wing
> > >
> > >
> > > Mike, Steve's plans did have the plywood plates shown on the
> > > plans. Aircraft Spruce is responsible for the plywood omission, They
had
> > > someone in Canada redraw the plans and that is the way they came back.
I
> > > agree it is inexcusable that they send out something like that
without
> > > adding at least a revision drawing attached. Spruce has no idea what a
> > > Tailwind is, only $. Jim C
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Ruhnke, Mike
> > > To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 7:32 AM
> > > Subject: Tailwind-List: W10 Wing
> > >
> > >
> > > Revisiting the wing root fuselage connection.
> > >
> > > My plan set, #1137, did not clearly state that plywood
> > doublers
> > > were to be installed at the root of the main spar. In an amateur
built
> > > aircraft such a detail being left rule-of-thumb is inexcusable. As I
> > > understand it Steve did not draw the plans, a fellow he gave flight
> > lessons
> > > to did them.
> > >
> > > Last night I preliminarily evaluated the spar material
> without
> > > the plywood doublers. It is very weak loaded perpendicular to the
> grain.
> > > When I added plywood to the sides of another test sample I was unable
to
> > > break the sample in my simple loading device. I will prepare better
> > > samples and test them in a manner that I can put numbers to the forces
> > > required to fracture the samples. But for now bottom line. Since so
> many
> > > plan sets went out without clearly calling out for the plywood. I
> > recommend
> > > that if you are not sure the plywood is in there cut an inspection
hole
> in
> > > the bottom surface of the wing and have a look.
> > >
> > > HAD I NOT BEEN A MEMBER OF THIS LIST I WOULD NEVER HAD
> CAUGHT
> > > MY MISTAKE AND THAT MISTAKE MOST LIKELY WOULD HAVE KILLED ME AND ANY
> > > UNFORTUNATE SOUL WHO HAD PUT THERE LIFE IN MY HANDS BY ACCEPTING A
RIDE
> > > FROM ME. The mistake I mention would be a mistake only recognized by
an
> > > experienced builder. Once you close a Tailwind wing it makes it very
> > > difficult to inspect.
> > >
> > > Mike Ruhnke
> > > Mechanical Engineer, BSME University of Illinois
> > >
> > > From the accident report on N654 1999.
> > >
> > > TESTS AND RESEARCH
> > >
> > > The inboard 15-inches of the right wing spar was sent to
the
> > > United States
> > >
> > > Department of Agriculture (USDA) Forest Product
Laboratory,
> > > Madison,
> > >
> > > Wisconsin, for examination.
> > >
> > > According to an examination report, provided by USDA
Forest
> > > Product
> > >
> > > Laboratory, the accident wing spar was constructed of
Sitka
> > > Spruce (Picea
> > >
> > > sitchensis). The failure surface of the spar was,
"...spilt
> > > cleanly into
> > >
> > > two pieces by a force that was perpendicular to the
> direction
> > > of the
> > >
> > > grain." The report further stated, "It appears that the
bolt
> > > holes that
> > >
> > > were drilled through the spars to accept the 1/4-inch
bolts
> > > were not all
> > >
> > > drilled perpendicular to the spar's outer surfaces."
> > > Examination of the
> > >
> > > second hole from the inboard end, "suggests that this
> > > particular hole was
> > >
> > > drilled twice to make the bolt for this connection fit."
The
> > > report
> > >
> > > stated, "...the holes that are on either side of the spar
> are
> > > not evenly
> > >
> > > spaced. There is also considerable difference in the
> diameter
> > > of the
> > >
> > > middle two holes relative to the diameter of the outer two
> > > holes."
> > >
> > > The full USDA Forest Product Laboratory examination report
> is
> > > attached to
> > >
> > > this report.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---
> > > Version: 6.0.744 / Virus Database: 496 - Release Date:
> > 8/24/2004
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "mytyweav@earthlink.net" <mytyweav@earthlink.net>
Hahahahahaha... Exactly...
Original Message:
-----------------
From: Estelle Danner edanner@jvlnet.com
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: W10 Wing
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Estelle Danner" <edanner@jvlnet.com>
no
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Weaver" <Mytyweav@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: W10 Wing
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver"
<Mytyweav@earthlink.net>
>
> Now Bob..... Did "Ford" ever make a 454?
> Do not archive..
> Weav
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Estelle Danner" <edanner@jvlnet.com>
> To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 7:29 AM
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: W10 Wing
>
>
> > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Estelle Danner"
<edanner@jvlnet.com>
> >
> > 454 ,409 ,396, 502 who cares big and tough is all that counts Bob
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <mytyweav@earthlink.net>
> > To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 7:21 AM
> > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: W10 Wing
> >
> >
> > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "mytyweav@earthlink.net"
> > <mytyweav@earthlink.net>
> > >
> > > Hahahahahaha..... I was wondering about the same thing..
> > > Weav
> > >
> > > Original Message:
> > > -----------------
> > > From: red redswings@reds-headers.com
> > > Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 21:43:58 -0700
> > > To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
> > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: W10 Wing
> > >
> > >
> > > 454 Ford ?
> > > Red
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Earl Luce
> > > To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 7:11 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: W10 Wing
> > >
> > >
> > > Bob,
> > > Small world ? I thought he was kidding when he told me he was
> there
> > .
> > > The pulleys were the hangar next to mine . I found a pulley at the car
> > > parts store that works great . It is from a power steering unit off a
> 454
> > > Ford .
> > > Earl
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Estelle Danner
> > > To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 9:43 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: W10 Wing
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Earl Hey did your door pulleys break does that guy form new
> zeland
> > > have a zeinith 701 in your hanger Bob Danner
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Earl Luce
> > > To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 8:01 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: W10 Wing
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm sure that Jim Irwin would like to know . The lady in charge
of
> > > the Wittman plans is Jennifer Silvey jennifersilvey@aircraftspruce.com
> She
> > > is a great gal and will take care of it .
> > > Earl Luce
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Louis Owen
> > > To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 9:37 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: W10 Wing
> > >
> > >
> > > Someone better see to it that Acft. Spruce gets this
> information.
> > > Lou Former 6PJ
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Jim and Donna Clement
> > > To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 8:15 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: W10 Wing
> > >
> > >
> > > Mike, Steve's plans did have the plywood plates shown on the
> > > plans. Aircraft Spruce is responsible for the plywood omission, They
had
> > > someone in Canada redraw the plans and that is the way they came back.
I
> > > agree it is inexcusable that they send out something like that
without
> > > adding at least a revision drawing attached. Spruce has no idea what a
> > > Tailwind is, only $. Jim C
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Ruhnke, Mike
> > > To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 7:32 AM
> > > Subject: Tailwind-List: W10 Wing
> > >
> > >
> > > Revisiting the wing root fuselage connection.
> > >
> > > My plan set, #1137, did not clearly state that plywood
> > doublers
> > > were to be installed at the root of the main spar. In an amateur
built
> > > aircraft such a detail being left rule-of-thumb is inexcusable. As I
> > > understand it Steve did not draw the plans, a fellow he gave flight
> > lessons
> > > to did them.
> > >
> > > Last night I preliminarily evaluated the spar material
> without
> > > the plywood doublers. It is very weak loaded perpendicular to the
> grain.
> > > When I added plywood to the sides of another test sample I was unable
to
> > > break the sample in my simple loading device. I will prepare better
> > > samples and test them in a manner that I can put numbers to the forces
> > > required to fracture the samples. But for now bottom line. Since so
> many
> > > plan sets went out without clearly calling out for the plywood. I
> > recommend
> > > that if you are not sure the plywood is in there cut an inspection
hole
> in
> > > the bottom surface of the wing and have a look.
> > >
> > > HAD I NOT BEEN A MEMBER OF THIS LIST I WOULD NEVER HAD
> CAUGHT
> > > MY MISTAKE AND THAT MISTAKE MOST LIKELY WOULD HAVE KILLED ME AND ANY
> > > UNFORTUNATE SOUL WHO HAD PUT THERE LIFE IN MY HANDS BY ACCEPTING A
RIDE
> > > FROM ME. The mistake I mention would be a mistake only recognized by
an
> > > experienced builder. Once you close a Tailwind wing it makes it very
> > > difficult to inspect.
> > >
> > > Mike Ruhnke
> > > Mechanical Engineer, BSME University of Illinois
> > >
> > > From the accident report on N654 1999.
> > >
> > > TESTS AND RESEARCH
> > >
> > > The inboard 15-inches of the right wing spar was sent to
the
> > > United States
> > >
> > > Department of Agriculture (USDA) Forest Product
Laboratory,
> > > Madison,
> > >
> > > Wisconsin, for examination.
> > >
> > > According to an examination report, provided by USDA
Forest
> > > Product
> > >
> > > Laboratory, the accident wing spar was constructed of
Sitka
> > > Spruce (Picea
> > >
> > > sitchensis). The failure surface of the spar was,
"...spilt
> > > cleanly into
> > >
> > > two pieces by a force that was perpendicular to the
> direction
> > > of the
> > >
> > > grain." The report further stated, "It appears that the
bolt
> > > holes that
> > >
> > > were drilled through the spars to accept the 1/4-inch
bolts
> > > were not all
> > >
> > > drilled perpendicular to the spar's outer surfaces."
> > > Examination of the
> > >
> > > second hole from the inboard end, "suggests that this
> > > particular hole was
> > >
> > > drilled twice to make the bolt for this connection fit."
The
> > > report
> > >
> > > stated, "...the holes that are on either side of the spar
> are
> > > not evenly
> > >
> > > spaced. There is also considerable difference in the
> diameter
> > > of the
> > >
> > > middle two holes relative to the diameter of the outer two
> > > holes."
> > >
> > > The full USDA Forest Product Laboratory examination report
> is
> > > attached to
> > >
> > > this report.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---
> > > Version: 6.0.744 / Virus Database: 496 - Release Date:
> > 8/24/2004
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Slow Cruzin' to the Michigan Gathering |
I just got back from the Michigan Gathering of Tailwinds. The trip was 241 nM from
SPI to 61D (482 total) The elapsed time each way was 1:57. The trip up was
at 5500 msl and back was at 6500. Power was set at 20"Hg MP and 2300 RPM. Mixture
was leaned by setting the rpm, and leaning until a drop in rpm was observed
and then enrichening the mixture until the rpm again read 2300.
Here are the numbers, crunched, along with a comparison of my earlier MI trip.
Distance
Fuel
MPG
Time
Speed
GPH
8/21/04
666
43
15.49
5.33
124.88
8.06
9/11/04
482
23.7
20.34
3.90
123.59
6.08
This trip I had wheel pants on the main gear, but that was the only change. Those
wheel pants really seem to help ;)
Pictures to follow.
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Dell Image Expert images from Album "Tailwind NX374WT" |
Thanks red!
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: red
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 11:01 PM
Subject: Tailwind-List: Fw: Dell Image Expert images from Album "Tailwind NX374WT"
Well Bill, here they are, not even a month later. Sorry that they are so close
up, like looking at a fleas knees.
Red
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| Subject: | Michigan Gathering of Tailwinds Pictures |
As Promised
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| Subject: | MG of T - More PIctures |
Here's the rest:
A really nice get-together.
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: [TailwindForum] MG of T - More PIctures |
It was worth the trip just to go for a ride in the Olds powered TW of Rick's.
Dennis Flamini N564DF race #53 Chicago
----- Original Message -----
From: William Bernard
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com ; TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 6:41 PM
Subject: [TailwindForum] MG of T - More PIctures
Here's the rest:
A really nice get-together.
Bill
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| Subject: | Plainwell 9-11-04 Flyin |
It was worth the trip just to go for a ride in the Olds powered TW of Rick's.
Dennis Flamini N564DF race #53 Chicago
Dennis and Fran
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| Subject: | 9-11-04 Plainwell, Mich. |
More photos.
Dennis Flamini N564DF race #53 Chicago
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| Subject: | 9-11-04 Plainwell, Mich. |
More photos.
Dennis Flamini N564DF race #53 Chicago
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| Subject: | 9-11-04 Plainwell, Mich. |
More MPG #'s.
Flew 129 sm to Plainwell at 3500ft and 2400rpm and 20" mp. made turn over field
and reversed course to get GS. and flew a normal pattern and landed.
167mph to and 137mph on reverse course. No wheel covers. 50 minutes from start
to fly over at 61D 6.8 gals.
Flew wide open at 2700rpm and 8500ft and 22" mp at 180mph and 43min8.1 gal includes
2 passes over 61D but straight in at home field.
Dennis Flamini N564DF race #53 Chicago
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| Subject: | Slow Cruzin' to the Michigan Gathering |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "mytyweav@earthlink.net" <mytyweav@earthlink.net>
Right On Bill!!!! It does make a difference eh? Great change in your
Miles per Gallon and burn rate.
Weav
Do not archive.
Original Message:
-----------------
From: William Bernard billbernard@worldnet.att.net
Subject: Tailwind-List: Slow Cruzin' to the Michigan Gathering
I just got back from the Michigan Gathering of Tailwinds. The trip was 241
nM from SPI to 61D (482 total) The elapsed time each way was 1:57. The trip
up was at 5500 msl and back was at 6500. Power was set at 20"Hg MP and 2300
RPM. Mixture was leaned by setting the rpm, and leaning until a drop in rpm
was observed and then enrichening the mixture until the rpm again read 2300.
Here are the numbers, crunched, along with a comparison of my earlier MI
trip.
Distance
Fuel
MPG
Time
Speed
GPH
8/21/04
666
43
15.49
5.33
124.88
8.06
9/11/04
482
23.7
20.34
3.90
123.59
6.08
This trip I had wheel pants on the main gear, but that was the only change.
Those wheel pants really seem to help ;)
Pictures to follow.
Bill
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| Subject: | Michigan Gathering of Tailwinds Pictures |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "mytyweav@earthlink.net" <mytyweav@earthlink.net>
Yahoooo! Wally's airplane never looked that good. And HOW did that Olds
get in there?
Weav
Do not archive.
Original Message:
-----------------
From: William Bernard billbernard@worldnet.att.net
Subject: Tailwind-List: Michigan Gathering of Tailwinds Pictures
As Promised
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| Subject: | MG of T - More PIctures |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "mytyweav@earthlink.net" <mytyweav@earthlink.net>
Looks like you guys had a GREAT time. Glad the weather cooperated and you
all got some nice looking planes. Except Richard....... :)
Weav
Original Message:
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From: William Bernard billbernard@worldnet.att.net
Subject: Tailwind-List: MG of T - More PIctures
Here's the rest:
A really nice get-together.
Bill
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| Subject: | Plainwell 9-11-04 Flyin |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "mytyweav@earthlink.net" <mytyweav@earthlink.net>
Check out the part number of the Alternator on Pic C.... It's priceless!
Weav
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From: flamini2 flamini2@comcast.net
Subject: Tailwind-List: Plainwell 9-11-04 Flyin
It was worth the trip just to go for a ride in the Olds powered TW of
Rick's.
Dennis Flamini N564DF race #53 Chicago
Dennis and Fran
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| Subject: | 9-11-04 Plainwell, Mich. |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "mytyweav@earthlink.net" <mytyweav@earthlink.net>
Eric, you forgot the "Official" salute... :)
Original Message:
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From: flamini2 flamini2@comcast.net
Subject: Tailwind-List: 9-11-04 Plainwell, Mich.
More photos.
Dennis Flamini N564DF race #53 Chicago
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| Subject: | Re: Plainwell 9-11-04 Flyin |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Dave Conrad <dconrad@dwave.net>
You are one sharp guy Weav. I had to go back on your prompt and read
it. (N.F.G.) Dave
On Saturday, September 11, 2004, at 09:21 PM, mytyweav@earthlink.net
wrote:
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "mytyweav@earthlink.net"
> <mytyweav@earthlink.net>
>
> Check out the part number of the Alternator on Pic C.... It's
> priceless!
> Weav
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: flamini2 flamini2@comcast.net
> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 19:36:37 -0500
> To: TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com, tailwind-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Tailwind-List: Plainwell 9-11-04 Flyin
>
>
> It was worth the trip just to go for a ride in the Olds powered TW of
> Rick's.
> Dennis Flamini N564DF race #53 Chicago
> Dennis and Fran
>
>
> _-
> =======================================================================
> > _-
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> > _-
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> >
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| Subject: | Re: [TailwindForum] MG of T - More PIctures |
Dennis PLEASE STOP!!!!!!!!! Do you have any idea how long it takes to
download OVER 5 MEGABYTES of REALLLLY TOO BIG PHOTO FILES? Us poor folks
out here that dont have a DSL or T1 line have to spend over a half hour to
see some of your double posted pictures from both lists. Thanks for your
future consideration. Al Moldenhauer 5023N
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-tailwind-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of flamini2
Subject: Tailwind-List: Re: [TailwindForum] MG of T - More PIctures
It was worth the trip just to go for a ride in the Olds powered TW of
Rick's.
Dennis Flamini N564DF race #53 Chicago
----- Original Message -----
From: William Bernard <mailto:billbernard@att.net>
TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com <mailto:TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [TailwindForum] MG of T - More PIctures
Here's the rest:
A really nice get-together.
Bill
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