---------------------------------------------------------- Tailwind-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 09/12/04: 64 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:18 AM - Colorado and Return (Fred Weaver) 2. 04:28 AM - Re: Colorado and Return (von Allmen Guido) 3. 04:43 AM - Re: Re: [TailwindForum] MG of T - More PIctures (Jim and Donna Clement) 4. 05:06 AM - Re:Colorado and Return (Fred Weaver) 5. 05:28 AM - Yo Dennis (Fred Weaver) 6. 07:38 AM - Re: Yo Dennis (mlinda@wt.net) 7. 08:21 AM - Re: Re: [TailwindForum] MG of T - More PIctures (Richard Brown) 8. 08:50 AM - Re: [TailwindForum] Double Trouble (Jerry Hey) 9. 10:48 AM - Keep it Simple (George Turner) 10. 10:54 AM - Re: Keep it Simple (George Turner) 11. 11:02 AM - Re: Keep it Simple (cgalley) 12. 11:12 AM - Re: Keep it Simple (Jerry Hey) 13. 11:29 AM - Re: Keep it Simple (George Turner) 14. 11:46 AM - Re: Keep it Simple (Luc H.) 15. 11:57 AM - Re: Keeping it Simple? (Fred Weaver) 16. 12:27 PM - Tried to vote. (Fred Weaver) 17. 01:13 PM - Re: Re: Keeping it Simple Fred (George Turner) 18. 01:52 PM - Re: Keeping it Simple Fred (Fred Weaver) 19. 02:10 PM - Fred buy this Tailwind (George Turner) 20. 03:11 PM - Re: Fred buy this Tailwind (Fred Weaver) 21. 03:24 PM - Re: Fred buy this Tailwind (Jim and Donna Clement) 22. 03:28 PM - Re: Fred buy this Tailwind (Fred Weaver) 23. 03:47 PM - Re: Fred buy this Tailwind (Larry) 24. 04:02 PM - Re: Fred buy this Tailwind (Fred Weaver) 25. 04:28 PM - fuel milage (Jerry Hey) 26. 05:11 PM - Re: fuel milage (Fred Weaver) 27. 05:25 PM - FW: [TailwindForum] Poll results for TailwindForum (Dan) 28. 05:35 PM - Re: fuel milage (Earl Luce) 29. 05:39 PM - Re: fuel milage (Jim and Donna Clement) 30. 05:53 PM - Re: Poll results for TailwindForum (Fred Weaver) 31. 06:04 PM - Re: fuel milage (Fred Weaver) 32. 06:05 PM - Re: Re: Poll results for TailwindForum (Dan) 33. 06:10 PM - Re: fuel milage (Alex Frizzell) 34. 06:25 PM - Re: fuel milage (Bob Conner) 35. 06:35 PM - Michigan Gathering (john) 36. 06:50 PM - Re: Michigan Gathering (Fred Weaver) 37. 06:56 PM - Re: Michigan Gathering (Dave Conrad) 38. 06:58 PM - Plainwell Mich Flyin 9-11-04 Rich's cockpit. (flamini2) 39. 06:59 PM - Post it to the fricken forum (Fred Weaver) 40. 07:08 PM - Re: Plainwell Mich Flyin 9-11-04 Rich's cockpit. (Fred Weaver) 41. 07:09 PM - Re: Plainwell Mich Flyin 9-11-04 Rich's cockpit. (Dave Conrad) 42. 07:28 PM - Re: Fred buy this Tailwind (George Turner) 43. 07:37 PM - Mich. Tailwinds and Fred's mpg. (George Turner) 44. 07:41 PM - Emailing: 94.5 kb airplane photo (Jim and Donna Clement) 45. 07:41 PM - Re: Fred buy this Tailwind (Fred Weaver) 46. 07:46 PM - Re: Emailing: 94.5 kb airplane photo (Fred Weaver) 47. 07:51 PM - Test picture (George Turner) 48. 07:53 PM - Re: Jim C's airplane photo (Fred Weaver) 49. 07:58 PM - Re: fuel milage (Larry) 50. 08:02 PM - Re: Fred buy this Tailwind (Fred Weaver) 51. 08:02 PM - Fw: Emailing: same picture but different setting, a test (Jim and Donna Clement) 52. 08:04 PM - Re: fuel milage (Larry) 53. 08:13 PM - Re: Fw: Emailing: same picture but different setting, a test (Luc H.) 54. 08:14 PM - Re:Tailwind test, to see picture click on 'Reply' (George Turner) 55. 08:18 PM - Re: Fw: Emailing: same picture but different setting, a test (Jim and Donna Clement) 56. 08:20 PM - Re: Plainwell Mich Flyin 9-11-04 Rich's cockpit. (Larry) 57. 08:32 PM - Re: Post it to the fricken forum (Dan) 58. 08:32 PM - Re: Fw: Emailing: same picture but different setting, a test (Luc H.) 59. 08:35 PM - Free Software To Reduce Photos (Rich Ellis) 60. 08:36 PM - Re: Re:Tailwind test, to see picture click on 'Reply' (Luc H.) 61. 08:36 PM - Re: Re:Tailwind test, to see picture click on 'Reply' (Larry) 62. 08:42 PM - Re: Re:Tailwind test, to see picture click on 'Reply' (Jim and Donna Clement) 63. 09:06 PM - Re: Post it to the fricken forum (Luc H.) 64. 11:10 PM - Re Tailwinds and Fred's mpg. (Fred Weaver) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:18:39 AM PST US From: "Fred Weaver" Subject: Tailwind-List: Colorado and Return Ok....first of all, no instrument panel pictures.. I was just too blown away with the fantastic views we were taking in. A ride from here, direct to Colorado Springs puts you on a course over terrain you will never forget. I don't know if you guys have ever seen Bryce Canyon, or the Plateau's between there and Halls Crossing. Or the mountains just north of Durango and east into Colorado Springs....HOLY SMOKE!!! Not only are they really big and tall, they go for miles! Usually out here in California, when we cross the Sierra range, we feel like we really cleared the "Big Ones".... Well, after the trip to "Springs", I can assure you, the widest batch of Giant Ass Granite is the Rockies and all the other stuff that Colorado dishes out. AND Pikes Peak really does stick WAY UP there in the sky. It is gorgeous.... First of all...... Some of the parameters. I was taking a guy out to Colorado Springs to pick up a new/used airplane. He didn't want to hassle with the airlines and their crazy time schedule and security requirements. He would be covering all expenses for the trip. In other words, I didn't have to fly with the most economical power settings! We were trying to keep the time to a minimum, at least I was. :) I did put the wheelpants back on the airplane the night before we left. The flight from O70/Westover to Colorado Springs can actually be made non stop but we would not have hardly any reserve upon arrival. Since I hadn't been there before, I elected to make a stop in Utah at a place I had been to returning from Kansas. Delta, Utah was our stop on the way out to Co Springs. 451 miles, 2 hours 8 minutes on the watch, however 2.4 hours on the tach. Running the plane at nearly WOT (Wide Open Throttle) gave us Manifold Pressure just over 19" and RPM of 2525 while flying at 12,500 ft. Total fuel for the leg was 17.3 gallons. 8.12 gallons per hour @ 212 mph? Miles per Gallon, 26.07..... Next leg was Delta to Co Springs. 420 miles, 2 hours 5 minutes (2.2 hrs Tach) , 17.5 gallons, 201.6 mph, 24 MPG. Now....comments here are: Co Springs gave us some vectors which did not allow us to fly direct...Turbulence on this leg also and we had to slow down or get the crap knocked out of us. The descent portion of the flight couldn't be flown outside the Yellow arc, I had to keep it under 175 mph indicated ( remember 12,500 and about 10 degrees C) Still it wasn't too bad. Total time for trip out... 4 hours 13 minutes, total fuel 34.8 gallons, Total Miles 871, Miles Per Gallon 25, two takeoffs to 12,500 ft.... Return trip had weather to deal with. The route I ended up taking out of Co Springs took me south until I could clear the Verga before I could even come close to heading west towards home. I went south for about 35 miles before heading towards Durango which had decent skies. Man, I gotta tell you, there are some big ass mountains out there and they are awesome. The views were exceptional and to me, intimidating..... BTW, the route we had taken going in looked good sorta BUT, there were mountain tops obscurred in the clouds along with verga in several areas. I elected not to go that way because ceilings were collapsing and I didn't want to get trapped out there where only some animals would find me...... RJ, you know what I am talking about............. Anyway, I met my buddy who had left several hours earlier in Cedar City, Utah (CDC) after flying to Durango to clear weather. We tried to find each other out near Bryce Canyon but to no avail. We could talk on the radio but he couldn't give me bearing and distance to CDC accurately and both of us were flying around a Thunderstorm there trying to get to CDC. I more than covered the 493 miles along this route, 2 hours 55 minutes, 169 mph(can we say headwinds?) 22.6 gallons, 7.8 gph, 22 mpg. Anyway, I'm loving the fact that I'm burning HIS gas.....hahahhahaha.... And again, if any of you have an opportunity to fly between Durango and Bryce Canyon, you will never forget the gorgeous scenery... Bright Reds like Sedona, AZ and miniature areas like the Grand Canyon. Just awesome......... Lastly, my leg from CDC to home (O70) took me 2 hours 10 minutes. 192 mph, Fuel used 18.7 gallons (can you tell where the throttle was?) Distance was 421 miles and definitely still into the wind and around a few TS's... 22.5 mpg.... Total time for the trip from Co Springs 5 hrs 5 minutes, total fuel 41.3 gallons, Total miles at least 914, 22.13 average mpg... Now....some of the things I tried.. I did try to lean until the engine roughened some, then slid it back in just a tiny bit, still just a little rough, and then tried the carb heat thing. I believe it did smooth out some and ran pretty good at 2500 rpm. I want to try this some more with a digital tach to really see what it does. I also tried bringing the throttle back to 18" to see if the rpm would stay up where it was by leaning more.... Hoping to go just as fast. Not too much luck there but kept the rpms just under 2500. I would really like to try a fuel injected setup on this airplane/engine combo. I think a more accurate distribution of the fuel would provide better results. Just a thought and maybe a goal..... I do have some sort of prop/spinner balance problem that has crept up on me. It's not a mixture thing. Above 2500 rpm, I get a vibe that is driving me nuts now.. Sometimes it smooths out above 2600 but you'd think the prop was going to fling itself off before you get there. (AND remember what kind of terrain I/we were flying over) I'm not sure what it is but will find it and report back. I'm not sure if the alternator might not be the culprit but aside from the prop/spinner combo, it's the only thing spinning up front. I've checked all fasteners on the pipes etc and made sure nothing is touching the airframe and it all looks just fine. Still runs nice and smooth below 2500. More on this stuff later...... Have fun, Weav ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:28:59 AM PST US Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Colorado and Return From: von Allmen Guido Nice report Weav, It brought me back to 1972 when I hicked trough the different US national parks and Bryce Canyon in particular. Thanks Guido. From: "Fred Weaver" Subject: Tailwind-List: Colorado and Return Ok....first of all, no instrument panel pictures.. I was just too blown away with the fantastic views we were taking in. A ride from here, direct to Colorado Springs puts you on a course over terrain you will never forget. I don't know if you guys have ever seen Bryce Canyon, or the Plateau's between there and Halls Crossing. Or the mountains just north of Durango and east into Colorado Springs....HOLY SMOKE!!! Not only are they really big and tall, they go for miles! Usually out here in California, when we cross the Sierra range, we feel like we really cleared the "Big Ones".... Well, after the trip to "Springs", I can assure you, the widest batch of Giant Ass Granite is the Rockies and all the other stuff that Colorado dishes out. AND Pikes Peak really does stick WAY UP there in the sky. It is gorgeous.... First of all...... Some of the parameters. I was taking a guy out to Colorado Springs to pick up a new/used airplane. He didn't want to hassle with the airlines and their crazy time schedule and security requirements. He would be covering all expenses for the trip. In other words, I didn't have to fly with the most economical power settings! We were trying to keep the time to a minimum, at least I was. :) I did put the wheelpants back on the airplane the night before we left. The flight from O70/Westover to Colorado Springs can actually be made non stop but we would not have hardly any reserve upon arrival. Since I hadn't been there before, I elected to make a stop in Utah at a place I had been to returning from Kansas. Delta, Utah was our stop on the way out to Co Springs. 451 miles, 2 hours 8 minutes on the watch, however 2.4 hours on the tach. Running the plane at nearly WOT (Wide Open Throttle) gave us Manifold Pressure just over 19" and RPM of 2525 while flying at 12,500 ft. Total fuel for the leg was 17.3 gallons. 8.12 gallons per hour @ 212 mph? Miles per Gallon, 26.07..... Next leg was Delta to Co Springs. 420 miles, 2 hours 5 minutes (2.2 hrs Tach) , 17.5 gallons, 201.6 mph, 24 MPG. Now....comments here are: Co Springs gave us some vectors which did not allow us to fly direct...Turbulence on this leg also and we had to slow down or get the crap knocked out of us. The descent portion of the flight couldn't be flown outside the Yellow arc, I had to keep it under 175 mph indicated ( remember 12,500 and about 10 degrees C) Still it wasn't too bad. Total time for trip out... 4 hours 13 minutes, total fuel 34.8 gallons, Total Miles 871, Miles Per Gallon 25, two takeoffs to 12,500 ft.... Return trip had weather to deal with. The route I ended up taking out of Co Springs took me south until I could clear the Verga before I could even come close to heading west towards home. I went south for about 35 miles before heading towards Durango which had decent skies. Man, I gotta tell you, there are some big ass mountains out there and they are awesome. The views were exceptional and to me, intimidating..... BTW, the route we had taken going in looked good sorta BUT, there were mountain tops obscurred in the clouds along with verga in several areas. I elected not to go that way because ceilings were collapsing and I didn't want to get trapped out there where only some animals would find me...... RJ, you know what I am talking about............. Anyway, I met my buddy who had left several hours earlier in Cedar City, Utah (CDC) after flying to Durango to clear weather. We tried to find each other out near Bryce Canyon but to no avail. We could talk on the radio but he couldn't give me bearing and distance to CDC accurately and both of us were flying around a Thunderstorm there trying to get to CDC. I more than covered the 493 miles along this route, 2 hours 55 minutes, 169 mph(can we say headwinds?) 22.6 gallons, 7.8 gph, 22 mpg. Anyway, I'm loving the fact that I'm burning HIS gas.....hahahhahaha.... And again, if any of you have an opportunity to fly between Durango and Bryce Canyon, you will never forget the gorgeous scenery... Bright Reds like Sedona, AZ and miniature areas like the Grand Canyon. Just awesome......... Lastly, my leg from CDC to home (O70) took me 2 hours 10 minutes. 192 mph, Fuel used 18.7 gallons (can you tell where the throttle was?) Distance was 421 miles and definitely still into the wind and around a few TS's... 22.5 mpg.... Total time for the trip from Co Springs 5 hrs 5 minutes, total fuel 41.3 gallons, Total miles at least 914, 22.13 average mpg... Now....some of the things I tried.. I did try to lean until the engine roughened some, then slid it back in just a tiny bit, still just a little rough, and then tried the carb heat thing. I believe it did smooth out some and ran pretty good at 2500 rpm. I want to try this some more with a digital tach to really see what it does. I also tried bringing the throttle back to 18" to see if the rpm would stay up where it was by leaning more.... Hoping to go just as fast. Not too much luck there but kept the rpms just under 2500. I would really like to try a fuel injected setup on this airplane/engine combo. I think a more accurate distribution of the fuel would provide better results. Just a thought and maybe a goal..... I do have some sort of prop/spinner balance problem that has crept up on me. It's not a mixture thing. Above 2500 rpm, I get a vibe that is driving me nuts now.. Sometimes it smooths out above 2600 but you'd think the prop was going to fling itself off before you get there. (AND remember what kind of terrain I/we were flying over) I'm not sure what it is but will find it and report back. I'm not sure if the alternator might not be the culprit but aside from the prop/spinner combo, it's the only thing spinning up front. I've checked all fasteners on the pipes etc and made sure nothing is touching the airframe and it all looks just fine. Still runs nice and smooth below 2500. More on this stuff later...... Have fun, Weav ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:43:30 AM PST US From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x@merr.com> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Re: [TailwindForum] MG of T - More PIctures Dennis, Al was lucky at only one half hour, it took just about 1 hour and it also shut my computer down twice with the huge pictures. Also why are you double posting messages, one or the other, there is no reason for both. Jim C ----- Original Message ----- From: Al Moldenhauer To: tailwind-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 11:20 PM Subject: RE: Tailwind-List: Re: [TailwindForum] MG of T - More PIctures Dennis PLEASE STOP!!!!!!!!! Do you have any idea how long it takes to download "OVER 5 MEGABYTES" of REALLLLY TOO BIG PHOTO FILES? Us poor folks out here that don't have a DSL or T1 line have to spend over a half hour to see some of your double posted pictures from both lists. Thanks for your future consideration. Al Moldenhauer 5023N -----Original Message----- From: owner-tailwind-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-tailwind-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of flamini2 Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 7:36 PM To: TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com; tailwind-list@matronics.com Subject: Tailwind-List: Re: [TailwindForum] MG of T - More PIctures It was worth the trip just to go for a ride in the Olds powered TW of Rick's. Dennis Flamini N564DF race #53 Chicago ----- Original Message ----- From: William Bernard To: tailwind-list@matronics.com ; TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 6:41 PM Subject: [TailwindForum] MG of T - More PIctures Here's the rest: A really nice get-together. Bill The Tailwind Forum group site is: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TailwindForum ADVERTISEMENT =B7 To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TailwindForum/ =B7 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: TailwindForum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:06:58 AM PST US From: "Fred Weaver" Subject: Tailwind-List: Re:Colorado and Return Re: Tailwind-List: Colorado and ReturnTo Guido and the Swiss Tailwind builders...... You will be very happy with your airplane when finished. I was very comfortable in mine as I crossed some of that incredible countryside. All of the pictures I have ever seen of Switzerland, have lots of big mountains and fjords etc... The Tailwind (when powered by a reliable engine) will safely transport you across all of it.. During this last trip of mine, there were times where I was able to just sit back and listen to the humm of the engine.... Something that doesn't usualy happen when you're flying over such areas. This as I looked down at craggy mountains and canyons that seemed to go forever. I guess I could go on and on but the bottom line is, I felt very confident in my airplane and engine....but I was intimidated by the "hugeness" of that particular part of the State. Pictures just wouldn't have shown how incredible it was. The colors are beginning to change and it was just beautiful. And of course, Bryce Canyon..... wow..... I'm sure I wouldn't ever get to see a lot of this stuff if it weren't for the economy and speed you get with a Tailwind. I only missed two days of work. But then, I kinda do that a lot.... :) BTW, the guy I took out to Colorado had never ridden in a Tailwind before. At this time, he is just amazed at the ground we covered and the small amount of time it took. He enjoyed the smoothness of the ride...... even in some of the rough air we had to go thru. That guy is just over 6 feet tall and I caught him sleeping some of the time. Yep, this one is comfortable even on long trips. Have Fun, Weav ----- Original Message ----- From: von Allmen Guido To: tailwind-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 4:30 AM Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Colorado and Return Nice report Weav, It brought me back to 1972 when I hicked trough the different US national parks and Bryce Canyon in particular. Thanks Guido. From: "Fred Weaver" Reply-To: tailwind-list@matronics.com Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 03:17:55 -0700 To: Subject: Tailwind-List: Colorado and Return Ok....first of all, no instrument panel pictures.. I was just too blown away with the fantastic views we were taking in. A ride from here, direct to Colorado Springs puts you on a course over terrain you will never forget. I don't know if you guys have ever seen Bryce Canyon, or the Plateau's between there and Halls Crossing. Or the mountains just north of Durango and east into Colorado Springs....HOLY SMOKE!!! Not only are they really big and tall, they go for miles! Usually out here in California, when we cross the Sierra range, we feel like we really cleared the "Big Ones".... Well, after the trip to "Springs", I can assure you, the widest batch of Giant Ass Granite is the Rockies and all the other stuff that Colorado dishes out. AND Pikes Peak really does stick WAY UP there in the sky. It is gorgeous.... First of all...... Some of the parameters. I was taking a guy out to Colorado Springs to pick up a new/used airplane. He didn't want to hassle with the airlines and their crazy time schedule and security requirements. He would be covering all expenses for the trip. In other words, I didn't have to fly with the most economical power settings! We were trying to keep the time to a minimum, at least I was. :) I did put the wheelpants back on the airplane the night before we left. The flight from O70/Westover to Colorado Springs can actually be made non stop but we would not have hardly any reserve upon arrival. Since I hadn't been there before, I elected to make a stop in Utah at a place I had been to returning from Kansas. Delta, Utah was our stop on the way out to Co Springs. 451 miles, 2 hours 8 minutes on the watch, however 2.4 hours on the tach. Running the plane at nearly WOT (Wide Open Throttle) gave us Manifold Pressure just over 19" and RPM of 2525 while flying at 12,500 ft. Total fuel for the leg was 17.3 gallons. 8.12 gallons per hour @ 212 mph? Miles per Gallon, 26.07..... Next leg was Delta to Co Springs. 420 miles, 2 hours 5 minutes (2.2 hrs Tach) , 17.5 gallons, 201.6 mph, 24 MPG. Now....comments here are: Co Springs gave us some vectors which did not allow us to fly direct...Turbulence on this leg also and we had to slow down or get the crap knocked out of us. The descent portion of the flight couldn't be flown outside the Yellow arc, I had to keep it under 175 mph indicated ( remember 12,500 and about 10 degrees C) Still it wasn't too bad. Total time for trip out... 4 hours 13 minutes, total fuel 34.8 gallons, Total Miles 871, Miles Per Gallon 25, two takeoffs to 12,500 ft.... Return trip had weather to deal with. The route I ended up taking out of Co Springs took me south until I could clear the Verga before I could even come close to heading west towards home. I went south for about 35 miles before heading towards Durango which had decent skies. Man, I gotta tell you, there are some big ass mountains out there and they are awesome. The views were exceptional and to me, intimidating..... BTW, the route we had taken going in looked good sorta BUT, there were mountain tops obscurred in the clouds along with verga in several areas. I elected not to go that way because ceilings were collapsing and I didn't want to get trapped out there where only some animals would find me...... RJ, you know what I am talking about............. Anyway, I met my buddy who had left several hours earlier in Cedar City, Utah (CDC) after flying to Durango to clear weather. We tried to find each other out near Bryce Canyon but to no avail. We could talk on the radio but he couldn't give me bearing and distance to CDC accurately and both of us were flying around a Thunderstorm there trying to get to CDC. I more than covered the 493 miles along this route, 2 hours 55 minutes, 169 mph(can we say headwinds?) 22.6 gallons, 7.8 gph, 22 mpg. Anyway, I'm loving the fact that I'm burning HIS gas.....hahahhahaha.... And again, if any of you have an opportunity to fly between Durango and Bryce Canyon, you will never forget the gorgeous scenery... Bright Reds like Sedona, AZ and miniature areas like the Grand Canyon. Just awesome......... Lastly, my leg from CDC to home (O70) took me 2 hours 10 minutes. 192 mph, Fuel used 18.7 gallons (can you tell where the throttle was?) Distance was 421 miles and definitely still into the wind and around a few TS's... 22.5 mpg.... Total time for the trip from Co Springs 5 hrs 5 minutes, total fuel 41.3 gallons, Total miles at least 914, 22.13 average mpg... Now....some of the things I tried.. I did try to lean until the engine roughened some, then slid it back in just a tiny bit, still just a little rough, and then tried the carb heat thing. I believe it did smooth out some and ran pretty good at 2500 rpm. I want to try this some more with a digital tach to really see what it does. I also tried bringing the throttle back to 18" to see if the rpm would stay up where it was by leaning more.... Hoping to go just as fast. Not too much luck there but kept the rpms just under 2500. I would really like to try a fuel injected setup on this airplane/engine combo. I think a more accurate distribution of the fuel would provide better results. Just a thought and maybe a goal..... I do have some sort of prop/spinner balance problem that has crept up on me. It's not a mixture thing. Above 2500 rpm, I get a vibe that is driving me nuts now.. Sometimes it smooths out above 2600 but you'd think the prop was going to fling itself off before you get there. (AND remember what kind of terrain I/we were flying over) I'm not sure what it is but will find it and report back. I'm not sure if the alternator might not be the culprit but aside from the prop/spinner combo, it's the only thing spinning up front. I've checked all fasteners on the pipes etc and made sure nothing is touching the airframe and it all looks just fine. Still runs nice and smooth below 2500. More on this stuff later...... Have fun, Weav ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:28:34 AM PST US From: "Fred Weaver" Subject: Tailwind-List: Yo Dennis I don't want to discourage you from posting your pictures.... but I do want to ENCOURAGE you take Luc up on his offer for FotoAlbum software. Apparently you haven't found the setting on your camera that produces nice pictures without all the resolution required for printing... In other words, you can reset your camera resolution down considerably and it won't make one bit of difference in the appearance on the screen of a computer. There are only so many pixels on these screens.... Very few will object to file sizes that are between 40K and 60K.. Most of the pics that were posted were more like 450K-500K.. Way too big. I was fortunate. I'm only on one list and was able to start the download and go watch Speedvision for an hour. Out in the boonies, I have only dial up... Anyway, the software that Luc wants to give you is very easy to use and can take your large files and convert them down to a size that loads quickly. A LOT less pain..... BTW, just why did that Olds get so many pics? Did Richard use the radiator for his cook stove? I was thinking it might be just right for scrambled eggs.. :) Or maybe for keeping the bacon warm? I would give him a Medal if he flew it over those mountains in Colorado...of course, he would need wings to do that. If I were Richard, I would leave the wings in the garage and just ride in the fuselage around the airport. Kinda like George did for awhile..... Weav do not archive ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:38:20 AM PST US From: mlinda@wt.net Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Yo Dennis --> Tailwind-List message posted by: mlinda@wt.net >I really enjoyed your narative "Colorado Trip" and would like to see some pics of the mountains. I am only on this list and dialup. I am thankful I can see your photos. Ralph Mains N710DH Quoting Fred Weaver : > I don't want to discourage you from posting your pictures.... but I do want > to ENCOURAGE you take Luc up on his offer for FotoAlbum software. Apparently > you haven't found the setting on your camera that produces nice pictures > without all the resolution required for printing... > In other words, you can reset your camera resolution down considerably and it > won't make one bit of difference in the appearance on the screen of a > computer. There are only so many pixels on these screens.... > Very few will object to file sizes that are between 40K and 60K.. Most of > the pics that were posted were more like 450K-500K.. Way too big. I was > fortunate. I'm only on one list and was able to start the download and go > watch Speedvision for an hour. Out in the boonies, I have only dial up... > > Anyway, the software that Luc wants to give you is very easy to use and can > take your large files and convert them down to a size that loads quickly. A > LOT less pain..... > > BTW, just why did that Olds get so many pics? Did Richard use the radiator > for his cook stove? I was thinking it might be just right for scrambled > eggs.. :) Or maybe for keeping the bacon warm? I would give him a Medal if > he flew it over those mountains in Colorado...of course, he would need wings > to do that. If I were Richard, I would leave the wings in the garage and just > ride in the fuselage around the airport. Kinda like George did for > awhile..... > > Weav > do not archive ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:21:48 AM PST US From: "Richard Brown" Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Re: [TailwindForum] MG of T - More PIctures List: I don't know what kinda problems you are having with the pic's. I have only got dial up and the pictures I get are right at the bottom of the email! I just scroll down and have a look. No need to click on the attachment(paper clip). That takes a little extra time, but only a couple minutes. Thanks to Dennis,Weav,Jim C. and all you other guys for some very nice pictures! Keeps the ole' jucies flowing..Dick Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim and Donna Clement To: tailwind-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 7:43 AM Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Re: [TailwindForum] MG of T - More PIctures Dennis, Al was lucky at only one half hour, it took just about 1 hour and it also shut my computer down twice with the huge pictures. Also why are you double posting messages, one or the other, there is no reason for both. Jim C ----- Original Message ----- From: Al Moldenhauer To: tailwind-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 11:20 PM Subject: RE: Tailwind-List: Re: [TailwindForum] MG of T - More PIctures Dennis PLEASE STOP!!!!!!!!! Do you have any idea how long it takes to download "OVER 5 MEGABYTES" of REALLLLY TOO BIG PHOTO FILES? Us poor folks out here that don't have a DSL or T1 line have to spend over a half hour to see some of your double posted pictures from both lists. Thanks for your future consideration. Al Moldenhauer 5023N -----Original Message----- From: owner-tailwind-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-tailwind-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of flamini2 Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 7:36 PM To: TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com; tailwind-list@matronics.com Subject: Tailwind-List: Re: [TailwindForum] MG of T - More PIctures It was worth the trip just to go for a ride in the Olds powered TW of Rick's. Dennis Flamini N564DF race #53 Chicago ----- Original Message ----- From: William Bernard To: tailwind-list@matronics.com ; TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 6:41 PM Subject: [TailwindForum] MG of T - More PIctures Here's the rest: A really nice get-together. Bill The Tailwind Forum group site is: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TailwindForum ADVERTISEMENT =B7 To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TailwindForum/ =B7 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: TailwindForum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:50:27 AM PST US Subject: Tailwind-List: Re: [TailwindForum] Double Trouble From: Jerry Hey As I have said in the past our Tailwind Group is behaving idiotically in this matter of two discussion groups. We are gaining absolutely NOTHING by repeating everything and/or having discussion groups to which some people belong to one or the other. Surely we can all get on the same page. Since I cannot tell any difference in performance between the two groups, I am giving up the argument. If Matronics is so important to Fred then so be it. Lets do Matronics. Dave M and Jim S, I think it is time we make the gesture to end this ridiculous and petty debate. I am checking out of Yahoo right after I post this message on both groups. Jerry On Sunday, September 12, 2004, at 04:35 AM, George Turner wrote: > Is anyone beside me tired of getting two of everything?=A0=A0=A0=A0 > >=A0When you send stuff on both Yahoo=A0Forumand list, every other > email is like junk mail. > > I have a filter for junk mail that works great for everything but > double posts. > > George Turner......Phoenix > > PS:=A0 I hate junk mail. > > > > > The Tailwind Forum group site is: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TailwindForum > > > > > > > =95 To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TailwindForum/ > > =95 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > TailwindForum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:48:36 AM PST US From: George Turner Subject: Tailwind-List: Keep it Simple No need to quit one of the forums or try to force everyone to choose one over the other. Subscribe to both. Except possibly Fred. Just simply send your post to just one of them. Simple, no problem. Almost everyone already does this. Yahoo Forum is fine and has no rules. But has advertising. Matronics is fine, no advertising, but has rules to follow, like "only send messages that are important for the Tailwind Archives" unless you always put 'do not archive' after your message. George Do not archive. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:54:11 AM PST US From: George Turner Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Keep it Simple This way no one will get double posts, including double pictures. End of problem. So simple. George George Turner wrote: No need to quit one of the forums or try to force everyone to choose one over the other. Subscribe to both. Except possibly Fred. Just simply send your post to just one of them. Simple, no problem. Almost everyone already does this. Yahoo Forum is fine and has no rules. But has advertising. Matronics is fine, no advertising, but has rules to follow, like "only send messages that are important for the Tailwind Archives" unless you always put 'do not archive' after your message. George --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:02:08 AM PST US From: "cgalley" Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Keep it Simple Did some file size checking. For the SAME message a 7 kb message thru Yahoo becomes only 6 kb from Matronics. Matronics never ever sends an attachment (no Virus). ----- Original Message ----- From: George Turner To: tailwind-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 12:48 PM Subject: Tailwind-List: Keep it Simple No need to quit one of the forums or try to force everyone to choose one over the other. Subscribe to both. Except possibly Fred. Just simply send your post to just one of them. Simple, no problem. Almost everyone already does this. Yahoo Forum is fine and has no rules. But has advertising. Matronics is fine, no advertising, but has rules to follow, like "only send messages that are important for the Tailwind Archives" unless you always put 'do not archive' after your message. George ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:12:27 AM PST US Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Keep it Simple From: Jerry Hey In theory, if no one double posts and everyone is on both lists, two lists will work. It is exactly twice as complicated as it need be and there is zero gain. One list is simple. Two lists are not so simple. End of my comments on this issue. Jerry On Sunday, September 12, 2004, at 12:54 PM, George Turner wrote: > This way no one will get double posts, including double pictures. End > of problem. > So simple.=A0 George > > > George Turner wrote: > > No need to quit one of the forums or try to force everyone to choose > one over the other. Subscribe to both. Except possibly=A0Fred. > > Just simply send your post to just=A0one of them. Simple, no problem.=A0 > Almost everyone already does this. > > Yahoo Forum is fine and has no rules. But has advertising. > > Matronics is fine, no advertising, but has rules to follow, like=A0"only > send=A0messages that are=A0 important for the Tailwind Archives"=A0=A0=A0 unless > you alwaysput 'do not archive' after your message. > > George > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:29:30 AM PST US From: George Turner Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Keep it Simple Jerry: Your suggestion of having only one list is good. However, it is virtually impossible to get everyone to all choose the same one. Because they don't want to. Subscribe to both and when you post, post to only one. Keep it simple. George Jerry Hey wrote:In theory, if no one double posts and everyone is on both lists, two lists will work. It is exactly twice as complicated as it need be and there is zero gain. One list is simple. Two lists are not so simple. End of my comments on this issue. Jerry On Sunday, September 12, 2004, at 12:54 PM, George Turner wrote: > This way no one will get double posts, including double pictures. End > of problem. > So simple. George > > > George Turner wrote: > > No need to quit one of the forums or try to force everyone to choose > one over the other. Subscribe to both. Except possibly Fred. > > Just simply send your post to just one of them. Simple, no problem. > Almost everyone already does this. > > Yahoo Forum is fine and has no rules. But has advertising. > > Matronics is fine, no advertising, but has rules to follow, like "only > send messages that are important for the Tailwind Archives" unless > you always put 'do not archive' after your message. > > George > > > --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:46:04 AM PST US From: "Luc H." <4luc@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Tailwind-List: Re: Keep it Simple I agree with George Subscribe to both and post to just ONE. Yahoo Forum is fine and has no rules. But has advertising, the photo's in the photo section are reduced to a useless 400x (too small for detail) and the archive search is slow and irritating. Matronics is fine, no advertising, but has rules to follow. The rules are a guideline to help keep the archives efficient, Matt won't reprimand you for posting burger reviews or other non technical stuff. Don't let the annual donation drive keep you from subscribing either, you don't have to donate, only a small percentage donate, but it would be nice if you did. Matronics scans all messages for viruses and only allows photo attachments to get thru. Try searching the archives at both sites and you will see why Matronics is better. If you need a simple and free program to resize photo's get FotoAlbum. Luc ----- Original Message ----- From: George Turner To: tailwind-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 10:48 AM Subject: Tailwind-List: Keep it Simple No need to quit one of the forums or try to force everyone to choose one over the other. Subscribe to both. Except possibly Fred. Just simply send your post to just one of them. Simple, no problem. Almost everyone already does this. Yahoo Forum is fine and has no rules. But has advertising. Matronics is fine, no advertising, but has rules to follow, like "only send messages that are important for the Tailwind Archives" unless you always put 'do not archive' after your message. George ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:57:23 AM PST US From: "Fred Weaver" Subject: Tailwind-List: Re: Keeping it Simple? I'm really sorry you guys are having such a tizzy over something that's so simple... I've gone over pro's and con's before trying to illustrate why Matronics is a finer place to be. Luc just mentioned quite a few in his previous post. Bottom line is a MUCH BETTER ARCHIVE than anything yahoo has for us. Our pictures don't go away or get reduced but you need to use Photo Share which Matt manages by himself. The size of the photo's submitted DO NOT CHANGE like they DO in Yahoo. The search engine in Matronics is much more refined and FASTER than Yahoo. Lastly, I can't stand the little ad's that constantly appear and Have TO DOWNLOAD on Yahoo... And when was the last time you tried to take a nice stroll thru the Yahoo archives. Ads, ads, ads..... Give me a break. Guys, sometimes I just feel like I'm the only guy out here with a bias towards Matronics. Could that be true or are there others that totally understand the site? Over a year ago, Matt gave us a generous revision to our site. Pictures were allowed to be attached to an email. Those pictures don't get archived but they do show up on everyones computer and we can save them to a folder of our choice. What could possibly be better? Apparently the only downside to Matt's site is the annual fundraiser..... Some of you have voiced an opposition to paying a few bucks for this service and felt like Matt was begging.. Come on...... If you could see all the equipment he uses to make this stuff work, I'm sure you would understand. Hey, just give him 20 bucks and move on.... or 10 or 5.... Whatever you think the "Value" is for the data provided. I just have to believe I'm not the only guy out there that thinks this is "Invaluable". When newcomers can show up and find so much info in the archives, it saves everyone else (especially Jim C) a ton of typing and reposting of pictures and emails. Then, when you take into consideration what Jerry Hey's website is going to become, these two vaults of Tailwind data are more than enough. Finally, please realize I haven't been complaining about Yahoo OR campaigning for this particular site in months. I do miss out on the text exchanges that happen on the "forum" but have learned to live without it saving me tons of time. I just wish you would all take a moment and pick one site to share everything on. It would make this all a lot more fun.... Good Luck.... Weav ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Hey To: tailwind-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 11:14 AM Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Keep it Simple In theory, if no one double posts and everyone is on both lists, two lists will work. It is exactly twice as complicated as it need be and there is zero gain. One list is simple. Two lists are not so simple. End of my comments on this issue. Jerry On Sunday, September 12, 2004, at 12:54 PM, George Turner wrote: This way no one will get double posts, including double pictures. End of problem. So simple. George George Turner wrote: No need to quit one of the forums or try to force everyone to choose one over the other. Subscribe to both. Except possibly Fred. Just simply send your post to just one of them. Simple, no problem. Almost everyone already does this. Yahoo Forum is fine and has no rules. But has advertising. Matronics is fine, no advertising, but has rules to follow, like "only send messages that are important for the Tailwind Archives" unless you always put 'do not archive' after your message. George ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:27:08 PM PST US From: "Fred Weaver" Subject: Tailwind-List: Tried to vote. Ok, here we go again............ I just tried to vote on the Yahoo forum BUT since I'm not a Group Member, I can't vote. Seems a little stupid that one has to join the group to vote yes or no. AND then I realized something else going thru the archives (which was a GIANT pain) .... The Yahoo guys that aren't on the Matronics list or who have never tried that list, have no idea what they are even voting for. It's like having one candidate. Danny, it's not going to work unless everyone on Both lists gets all the info and can participate in a good poll. Something that Yahoo CANNOT provide. Weav ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:13:23 PM PST US From: George Turner Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Re: Keeping it Simple Fred Fred: I posted the Matronics LIst subscription page on the Tailwind Forum this morning for those who are new to the Yahoo forum or don't know it. It is hard to get people to agree on things like this. Possibly they will agree not to double post to everyone. Probably many like Yahoo because you can say lot's of personal and trivial and dumb stuff and not feel guilty about ignoring Matronics rules or Guidlines. Like: 'Way to go Fred" Do you have a list of the Matronics guidlines that we are all supposed to read and follow? I deleted my last notice about that. If you or someone has them I would like to review them if someone can send it. The Tailwinds are out of Control. Do not archive. Fred Weaver wrote: I'm really sorry you guys are having such a tizzy over something that's so simple... I've gone over pro's and con's before trying to illustrate why Matronics is a finer place to be. Luc just mentioned quite a few in his previous post. Bottom line is a MUCH BETTER ARCHIVE than anything yahoo has for us. Our --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:52:46 PM PST US From: "Fred Weaver" Subject: Tailwind-List: Re: Keeping it Simple Fred Hahahaha..... That's good. Hey, FWIW, the guidelines are just that.. "guidelines". They simply encourage a poster not to post a bunch of vulgarity or BS. They really aren't hard and fast rules. They are simple... like a Tailwind. Frankly, I'm concerned about the dumb voting thing going on within Yahooo now. People that are not on Matronics have no idea what they are voting on. AND people that are not on the Yahoo group, cannot vote for or against.... Sure wasting alot of bandwith and TIME. I too damn near agree to belong to both lists just so I could get all the stuff. BUT then I fall prey to those guys that just have to post to BOTH of the damn lists. Like Jim C said to Flamini.... It took him a really long time to download the pictures and then he had to go thru it TWICE! And when you are on dial up, it sometimes just cloggs up the system and the computer locks up. Very, Very Frustrating. For the life of me, I just don't understand why we continue to stay with Yahoo. That freakin thing is a giant pain to use especially the archives. They go so DAMN slow and you just keep getting ads thrown at you that you have to click off of just to get the message. Pain, Pain Pain..... George... I really hope the rest of our Tailwind guys DON'T think there are lots of rules and crap to deal with Matronics. Nothing could be further from reality. I really think the only thing that Matt is trying to do is limit the amount of "personal and trivial dumb stuff" that gets sent to our archives. But I love that stuff too. I love to poke fun at guys like Rich Ellis, Brian Alley, Rick Crosslin, etc etc etc..and especially Eric Schlanser hahaha.. No one's safe. It's all part of the whole package. And it's fun to go back and read some of it too.... Yep, The Tailwinds ARE out of Control.... Hahahahahhahahaa...... Hoping the Yahoooians will wake up and SMELL THE ROSES! Life is good, Weav PS.. Again, if you saw all the hardware that Matt has to run these lists, you would be impressed. ----- Original Message ----- From: George Turner To: tailwind-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 1:12 PM Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Re: Keeping it Simple Fred Fred: I posted the Matronics LIst subscription page on the Tailwind Forum this morning for those who are new to the Yahoo forum or don't know it. It is hard to get people to agree on things like this. Possibly they will agree not to double post to everyone. Probably many like Yahoo because you can say lot's of personal and trivial and dumb stuff and not feel guilty about ignoring Matronics rules or Guidlines. Like: 'Way to go Fred" Do you have a list of the Matronics guidlines that we are all supposed to read and follow? I deleted my last notice about that. If you or someone has them I would like to review them if someone can send it. The Tailwinds are out of Control. Do not archive. Fred Weaver wrote: I'm really sorry you guys are having such a tizzy over something that's so simple... I've gone over pro's and con's before trying to illustrate why Matronics is a finer place to be. Luc just mentioned quite a few in his previous post. Bottom line is a MUCH BETTER ARCHIVE than anything yahoo has for us. Our ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:10:25 PM PST US From: George Turner Subject: Tailwind-List: Fred buy this Tailwind Fred, Get a backup Tailwind from E Bay. Here is a chance to buy a W-8 cheap. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63660&item=5919622508&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW George --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:11:36 PM PST US From: "Fred Weaver" Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Fred buy this Tailwind Thanks George... That is a nice one.. I am high bidder now.. Weav do not archive. ----- Original Message ----- From: George Turner To: tailwind-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 2:10 PM Subject: Tailwind-List: Fred buy this Tailwind Fred, Get a backup Tailwind from E Bay. Here is a chance to buy a W-8 cheap. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category63660&item5919622508&rd1&ssPageNameWDVW George ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 03:24:12 PM PST US From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x@merr.com> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Fred buy this Tailwind Fred, did you see where your new TW is at if you win the bid? It would be a record breaker on its first flight. Jim C ----- Original Message ----- From: Fred Weaver To: tailwind-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 5:11 PM Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Fred buy this Tailwind Thanks George... That is a nice one.. I am high bidder now.. Weav do not archive. ----- Original Message ----- From: George Turner To: tailwind-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 2:10 PM Subject: Tailwind-List: Fred buy this Tailwind Fred, Get a backup Tailwind from E Bay. Here is a chance to buy a W-8 cheap. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category63660&item5919622508&rd1&ssPageNameWDVW George ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 03:28:41 PM PST US From: "Fred Weaver" Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Fred buy this Tailwind Yep, I saw that too.... Looked like a cute kit.... BTW, some of those peanut scale Wittmans actually flew pretty good. The low aspect ratio wing works out pretty good and trimming is not too critical. Kinda like the Fike's.... Yeeehaaaaaa, Weav ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim and Donna Clement To: tailwind-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 3:23 PM Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Fred buy this Tailwind Fred, did you see where your new TW is at if you win the bid? It would be a record breaker on its first flight. Jim C ----- Original Message ----- From: Fred Weaver To: tailwind-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 5:11 PM Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Fred buy this Tailwind Thanks George... That is a nice one.. I am high bidder now.. Weav do not archive. ----- Original Message ----- From: George Turner To: tailwind-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 2:10 PM Subject: Tailwind-List: Fred buy this Tailwind Fred, Get a backup Tailwind from E Bay. Here is a chance to buy a W-8 cheap. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category63660&item5919622508&rd1&ssPageNameWDVW George ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 03:47:06 PM PST US From: Larry Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Fred buy this Tailwind --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Larry Fred your fuel mileage should be pretty good, depending on how many drinks of liquid it takes to wind that sucker up! Larry H. > Yep, I saw that too.... Looked like a cute kit.... BTW, some of > those peanut scale Wittmans actually flew pretty good. The low aspect > ratio wing works out pretty good and trimming is not too critical. > Kinda like the Fike's.... > Yeeehaaaaaa, > Weav > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Jim and Donna Clement > *To:* tailwind-list@matronics.com > > *Sent:* Sunday, September 12, 2004 3:23 PM > *Subject:* Re: Tailwind-List: Fred buy this Tailwind > > Fred, did you see where your new TW is at if you win the bid? It > would be a record breaker on its first flight. Jim C > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Fred Weaver > *To:* tailwind-list@matronics.com > > *Sent:* Sunday, September 12, 2004 5:11 PM > *Subject:* Re: Tailwind-List: Fred buy this Tailwind > > Thanks George... That is a nice one.. I am high bidder now.. > Weav > do not archive. > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* George Turner > *To:* tailwind-list@matronics.com > > *Sent:* Sunday, September 12, 2004 2:10 PM > *Subject:* Tailwind-List: Fred buy this Tailwind > > Fred, Get a backup Tailwind from E Bay. > > Here is a chance to buy a W-8 cheap. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63660&item=5919622508&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW > > > George > > - Send 10MB messages! > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 04:02:49 PM PST US From: "Fred Weaver" Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Fred buy this Tailwind --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver" Hahahahha.... You use an electric drill.... Then the arthritus in the elbow doesn't hurt as much. Of course the liquid refreshment makes the pain stay away too. Have Fun! Weav do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry" Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Fred buy this Tailwind > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Larry > > Fred your fuel mileage should be pretty good, depending on how many > drinks of liquid it takes to wind that sucker up! > Larry H. > > > Yep, I saw that too.... Looked like a cute kit.... BTW, some of > > those peanut scale Wittmans actually flew pretty good. The low aspect > > ratio wing works out pretty good and trimming is not too critical. > > Kinda like the Fike's.... > > Yeeehaaaaaa, > > Weav > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Jim and Donna Clement > > *To:* tailwind-list@matronics.com > > > > *Sent:* Sunday, September 12, 2004 3:23 PM > > *Subject:* Re: Tailwind-List: Fred buy this Tailwind > > > > Fred, did you see where your new TW is at if you win the bid? It > > would be a record breaker on its first flight. Jim C > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Fred Weaver > > *To:* tailwind-list@matronics.com > > > > *Sent:* Sunday, September 12, 2004 5:11 PM > > *Subject:* Re: Tailwind-List: Fred buy this Tailwind > > > > Thanks George... That is a nice one.. I am high bidder now.. > > Weav > > do not archive. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* George Turner > > *To:* tailwind-list@matronics.com > > > > *Sent:* Sunday, September 12, 2004 2:10 PM > > *Subject:* Tailwind-List: Fred buy this Tailwind > > > > Fred, Get a backup Tailwind from E Bay. > > > > Here is a chance to buy a W-8 cheap. > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63660&item=5919622508&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW > > > > > > George > > > > _mail/static/efficiency.html> > > - Send 10MB messages! > > > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 04:28:46 PM PST US Subject: Tailwind-List: fuel milage From: Jerry Hey --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Jerry Hey Credits: I got this from the ACRE newsletter. Fred or whoever, if you have the opportunity try this fuel saving technique. It works well in cars that can speed up to about 50 mph and then cut power and coast to nearly a stop. It is said they can double their gas milage. >> >> Assuming you fly level at a given cruise altitude. Now you apply >> more power >> and climb, perhaps 2000 ft. Then you throttle back to say 1500 or >> less rpm (~2500 >> rpm for rotaries) but maintain speed with the elevator. After you >> are back to the >> same cruise altitude, you apply power and climb up 2000 ft again and >> then you >> throttle back. You repeat this as often as you want. Mind you, if >> you have >> passengers, they may ask what the hell are you doing? Nevertheless, >> it should get you further >> for the same amount of fuel. >> Are there any takers out there to try that out? It would be nice to >> have that theory tested. >> This might come in handy some time when the fuel is low and the airport still far away. Jerry >> ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 05:11:26 PM PST US From: "Fred Weaver" Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: fuel milage --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver" I don't believe it for a second.. If I wanted to extend my on board fuel range, I would simply throttle back and fly at Best L/D or around 120 mph. Then I would lean the crap out of it too. Weav ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Hey" Subject: Tailwind-List: fuel milage > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Jerry Hey > > Credits: I got this from the ACRE newsletter. > > Fred or whoever, if you have the opportunity try this fuel saving > technique. It works well in cars that can speed up to about 50 mph > and then cut power and coast to nearly a stop. It is said they can > double their gas milage. > >> > >> Assuming you fly level at a given cruise altitude. Now you apply > >> more power > >> and climb, perhaps 2000 ft. Then you throttle back to say 1500 or > >> less rpm (~2500 > >> rpm for rotaries) but maintain speed with the elevator. After you > >> are back to the > >> same cruise altitude, you apply power and climb up 2000 ft again and > >> then you > >> throttle back. You repeat this as often as you want. Mind you, if > >> you have > >> passengers, they may ask what the hell are you doing? Nevertheless, > >> it should get you further > >> for the same amount of fuel. > > >> Are there any takers out there to try that out? It would be nice to > >> have that theory tested. > > >> This might come in handy some time when the fuel > is low and the airport still far away. Jerry > > > >> > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 05:25:20 PM PST US From: "Dan" Subject: Tailwind-List: FW: [TailwindForum] Poll results for TailwindForum Fred, Poll is closed results are in-It's a landslide. Based on voter turn out I think we can safely conclude 99 % of members on Yahoo are democrats. I hope more people vote in November or that will be a landslide too. -Danny Do Not Archive. -----Original Message----- From: TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com] Subject: [TailwindForum] Poll results for TailwindForum The following TailwindForum poll is now closed. Here are the final results: POLL QUESTION: Which discussion group? CHOICES AND RESULTS - Matronics, 4 votes, 23.53% - Yahoo, 11 votes, 64.71% - It does not matter to me, 2 votes, 11.76% ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 05:35:53 PM PST US From: "Earl Luce" Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: fuel milage --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Earl Luce" Fred , Are you bored ? I don't think I've ever seen so many comments from you ! How about this question .........Have you ever owned a Tailwind with the windows in the door that slide open ( as per plans ) I have them on the Buttercup and love them . I get a little claustrophobic in my TW with only that tiny side vent ????? Oh yeah , Laura and I went for a 200 mile ride around the patch today , average 120 mph @ 5.1 mpg.with the side windows wide open . I couldn't help myself I had to throw out my dead 9 volt battery in the lake . Earl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Weaver" Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: fuel milage > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver" > > I don't believe it for a second.. If I wanted to extend my on board fuel > range, I would simply throttle back and fly at Best L/D or around 120 mph. > Then I would lean the crap out of it too. > Weav > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jerry Hey" > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 4:30 PM > Subject: Tailwind-List: fuel milage > > > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Jerry Hey > > > > Credits: I got this from the ACRE newsletter. > > > > Fred or whoever, if you have the opportunity try this fuel saving > > technique. It works well in cars that can speed up to about 50 mph > > and then cut power and coast to nearly a stop. It is said they can > > double their gas milage. > > >> > > >> Assuming you fly level at a given cruise altitude. Now you apply > > >> more power > > >> and climb, perhaps 2000 ft. Then you throttle back to say 1500 or > > >> less rpm (~2500 > > >> rpm for rotaries) but maintain speed with the elevator. After you > > >> are back to the > > >> same cruise altitude, you apply power and climb up 2000 ft again and > > >> then you > > >> throttle back. You repeat this as often as you want. Mind you, if > > >> you have > > >> passengers, they may ask what the hell are you doing? Nevertheless, > > >> it should get you further > > >> for the same amount of fuel. > > > > >> Are there any takers out there to try that out? It would be nice to > > >> have that theory tested. > > > > >> This might come in handy some time when the fuel > > is low and the airport still far away. Jerry > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 05:39:46 PM PST US From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x@merr.com> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: fuel milage --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x@merr.com> Earl, Did they ever find your bowling ball? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Earl Luce" Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: fuel milage > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Earl Luce" > > Fred , > Are you bored ? I don't think I've ever seen so many comments from you ! > How about this question .........Have you ever owned a Tailwind with the > windows in the door that slide open ( as per plans ) I have them on the > Buttercup and love them . I get a little claustrophobic in my TW with only > that tiny side vent ????? > Oh yeah , Laura and I went for a 200 mile ride around the patch today , > average 120 mph @ 5.1 mpg.with the side windows wide open . I couldn't help > myself I had to throw out my dead 9 volt battery in the lake . > Earl > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fred Weaver" > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 8:11 PM > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: fuel milage > > > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver" > > > > > I don't believe it for a second.. If I wanted to extend my on board fuel > > range, I would simply throttle back and fly at Best L/D or around 120 mph. > > Then I would lean the crap out of it too. > > Weav > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jerry Hey" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 4:30 PM > > Subject: Tailwind-List: fuel milage > > > > > > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Jerry Hey > > > > > > > Credits: I got this from the ACRE newsletter. > > > > > > Fred or whoever, if you have the opportunity try this fuel saving > > > technique. It works well in cars that can speed up to about 50 mph > > > and then cut power and coast to nearly a stop. It is said they can > > > double their gas milage. > > > >> > > > >> Assuming you fly level at a given cruise altitude. Now you apply > > > >> more power > > > >> and climb, perhaps 2000 ft. Then you throttle back to say 1500 or > > > >> less rpm (~2500 > > > >> rpm for rotaries) but maintain speed with the elevator. After you > > > >> are back to the > > > >> same cruise altitude, you apply power and climb up 2000 ft again and > > > >> then you > > > >> throttle back. You repeat this as often as you want. Mind you, if > > > >> you have > > > >> passengers, they may ask what the hell are you doing? Nevertheless, > > > >> it should get you further > > > >> for the same amount of fuel. > > > > > > >> Are there any takers out there to try that out? It would be nice to > > > >> have that theory tested. > > > > > > >> This might come in handy some time when the fuel > > > is low and the airport still far away. Jerry > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > Version: 6.0.744 / Virus Database: 496 - Release Date: 8/24/2004 > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 05:53:56 PM PST US From: "Fred Weaver" Subject: Tailwind-List: Re: Poll results for TailwindForum When the polls are only open to people/members of the yahoo group... What would you expect? Just a bunch of sheep with their eyes closed........ A typical bunch of crap.....from the "Forum Boys" Archive for sure! ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan To: tailwind-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 5:25 PM Subject: Tailwind-List: FW: [TailwindForum] Poll results for TailwindForum Fred, Poll is closed results are in-It's a landslide. Based on voter turn out I think we can safely conclude 99 % of members on Yahoo are democrats. I hope more people vote in November or that will be a landslide too. -Danny Do Not Archive. -----Original Message----- From: TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 7:17 PM To: TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com Subject: [TailwindForum] Poll results for TailwindForum The following TailwindForum poll is now closed. Here are the final results: POLL QUESTION: Which discussion group? CHOICES AND RESULTS - Matronics, 4 votes, 23.53% - Yahoo, 11 votes, 64.71% - It does not matter to me, 2 votes, 11.76% ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 06:04:44 PM PST US From: "Fred Weaver" Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: fuel milage --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver" Not bored, just taking some time to kick back out at the house. Unfortunately, the time I expected to just kick back and relax was interupted by some morons that wanted to have "Another" big arguement about which list to be on... A serious waste of time.....AGAIN. About sliding windows.. I would love to have them but they just aren't the practical answer for a Tailwind that flies this fast. They generate quite a bit of noise that would only add to what we have already. I did buy a Rans S7 that I can take the entire door off of to perform the battery/bowling ball drop tests. hahahhahhaa.... I'm going out to Florida next week to fly it home. Thanks to hurricane Ivan for taking a different course up the western side of the state. It got a little injured in hurricane Charley and then repaired. But made it thru Hurricane Frances... Time to get it out to California. I do understand the enjoyment of flying as slow as the Buttercup does. Recently I have been flying in a couple of different Rans airplanes out here and it's amazing how much you see once you slow down. I would never give up the speed though that the Tailwind provides. The Tailwind at least gives us a choice. I just like to haul ass... I really did enjoy my trip to Colorado. It was just some awesome views that not too many people get to see. Keep on Grinnin' Weav ----- Original Message ----- From: "Earl Luce" Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: fuel milage > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Earl Luce" > > Fred , > Are you bored ? I don't think I've ever seen so many comments from you ! > How about this question .........Have you ever owned a Tailwind with the > windows in the door that slide open ( as per plans ) I have them on the > Buttercup and love them . I get a little claustrophobic in my TW with only > that tiny side vent ????? > Oh yeah , Laura and I went for a 200 mile ride around the patch today , > average 120 mph @ 5.1 mpg.with the side windows wide open . I couldn't help > myself I had to throw out my dead 9 volt battery in the lake . > Earl > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fred Weaver" > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 8:11 PM > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: fuel milage > > > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver" > > > > > I don't believe it for a second.. If I wanted to extend my on board fuel > > range, I would simply throttle back and fly at Best L/D or around 120 mph. > > Then I would lean the crap out of it too. > > Weav > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jerry Hey" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 4:30 PM > > Subject: Tailwind-List: fuel milage > > > > > > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Jerry Hey > > > > > > > Credits: I got this from the ACRE newsletter. > > > > > > Fred or whoever, if you have the opportunity try this fuel saving > > > technique. It works well in cars that can speed up to about 50 mph > > > and then cut power and coast to nearly a stop. It is said they can > > > double their gas milage. > > > >> > > > >> Assuming you fly level at a given cruise altitude. Now you apply > > > >> more power > > > >> and climb, perhaps 2000 ft. Then you throttle back to say 1500 or > > > >> less rpm (~2500 > > > >> rpm for rotaries) but maintain speed with the elevator. After you > > > >> are back to the > > > >> same cruise altitude, you apply power and climb up 2000 ft again and > > > >> then you > > > >> throttle back. You repeat this as often as you want. Mind you, if > > > >> you have > > > >> passengers, they may ask what the hell are you doing? Nevertheless, > > > >> it should get you further > > > >> for the same amount of fuel. > > > > > > >> Are there any takers out there to try that out? It would be nice to > > > >> have that theory tested. > > > > > > >> This might come in handy some time when the fuel > > > is low and the airport still far away. Jerry > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > Version: 6.0.744 / Virus Database: 496 - Release Date: 8/24/2004 > > ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 06:05:44 PM PST US From: "Dan" Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Re: Poll results for TailwindForum Fred, Don't look.but I think your panties are in a wad. BAAAaaaaaa. : ) -Danny Do not Archive On 9/12/2004 7:53:34 PM, tailwind-list@matronics.com wrote: > When the polls are only open to people/members of the yahoo group... What > would you expect? Just a bunch of sheep with their eyes closed........ > A typical bunch of crap.....from the "Forum Boys" > Archive for sure! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dan [link: mailto:dannyjoe@insightbb.com] > To: tailwind-list@matronics.com > Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 5:25 PM > Subject: Tailwind-List: FW: [TailwindForum] Poll results for > TailwindForum > > > Fred, > Poll is closed results are in-It's a landslide. Based on voter turn out I > think we can safely conclude 99 % of members on Yahoo are democrats. I > hope more people vote in November or that will be a landslide too. > -Danny > Do Not Archive. > > -----Original Message----- > From: TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com] > > Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 7:17 PM > To: TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [TailwindForum] Poll results for TailwindForum > > > The following TailwindForum poll is now closed. Here are the > final results: > > > POLL QUESTION: Which discussion group? > > CHOICES AND RESULTS > - Matronics, 4 votes, 23.53% > - Yahoo, 11 votes, 64.71% > ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 06:10:03 PM PST US From: "Alex Frizzell" Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: fuel milage Seal-Send-Time: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 20:00:36 -0500 hey guys, we do that with sailplanes all the time, up & down, up & down, up & down. Probably need a few "sick sacs" with passengers though. Alex "do not archive" ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Hey To: tailwind-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 6:30 PM Subject: Tailwind-List: fuel milage --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Jerry Hey Credits: I got this from the ACRE newsletter. Fred or whoever, if you have the opportunity try this fuel saving technique. It works well in cars that can speed up to about 50 mph and then cut power and coast to nearly a stop. It is said they can double their gas milage. >> >> Assuming you fly level at a given cruise altitude. Now you apply >> more power >> and climb, perhaps 2000 ft. Then you throttle back to say 1500 or >> less rpm (~2500 >> rpm for rotaries) but maintain speed with the elevator. After you >> are back to the >> same cruise altitude, you apply power and climb up 2000 ft again and >> then you >> throttle back. You repeat this as often as you want. Mind you, if >> you have >> passengers, they may ask what the hell are you doing? Nevertheless, >> it should get you further >> for the same amount of fuel. >> Are there any takers out there to try that out? It would be nice to >> have that theory tested. >> This might come in handy some time when the fuel is low and the airport still far away. Jerry >> ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 06:25:06 PM PST US From: "Bob Conner" Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: fuel milage --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Bob Conner" You ought to see what happens when a computer monitor accidently falls out of an airplane doing a low pass...............Bob 149 do not archive From: "Fred Weaver" Mytyweav@earthlink.net Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: fuel milage -- Tailwind-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver" Mytyweav@earthlink.net Not bored, just taking some time to kick back out at the house. Unfortunately, the time I expected to just kick back and relax was interupted by some morons that wanted to have "Another" big arguement about which list to be on...A serious waste of time.....AGAIN. About sliding windows..I would love to have them but they just aren't the practical answer for a Tailwind that flies this fast. They generate quite a bit of noise that would only add to what we have already.I did buy a Rans S7 that I can take the entire door off of to perform the battery/bowling ball drop tests. hahahhahhaa.... I'm going out to Florida next week to fly it home. Thanks to hurricane Ivan for taking a different course up the western side of the state. It got a little injured in hurricane Charley and then repaired. But made it thru Hurricane Frances... Time to get it out to California. I do understand the enjoyment of flying as slow as the Buttercup does. Recently I have been flying in a couple of different Rans airplanes out here and it's amazing how much you see once you slow down. I would never give up the speed though that the Tailwind provides. The Tailwind at least gives us a choice. I just like to haul ass... I really did enjoy my trip to Colorado. It was just some awesome views that not too many people get to see. Keep on Grinnin' Weav ----- Original Message ----- From: "Earl Luce" luceair@frontiernet.net Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: fuel milage -- Tailwind-List message posted by: "Earl Luce" luceair@frontiernet.net Fred , Are you bored ? I don't think I've ever seen so many comments from you ! How about this question .........Have you ever owned a Tailwind with the windows in the door that slide open( as per plans ) I have them on the Buttercup and love them . I get a little claustrophobic in my TW with only that tiny side vent ????? Oh yeah , Laura and I went for a 200 mile ride around the patch today average 120 mph @ 5.1 mpg.with the side windows wide open . I couldn't help myself I had to throw out my dead 9 volt battery in the lake . Earl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Weaver" Mytyweav@earthlink.net To: tailwind-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 8:11 PM Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: fuel milage -- Tailwind-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver" Mytyweav@earthlink.net I don't believe it for a second.. If I wanted to extend my on board fuel range, I would simply throttle back and fly at Best L/D or around 120 mph. Then I would lean the crap out of it too. Weav ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Hey" j-winddesigns@thegrid.net To: tailwind-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 4:30 PM Subject: Tailwind-List: fuel milage -- Tailwind-List message posted by: Jerry Hey j-winddesigns@thegrid.net Credits:I got this from the ACRE newsletter. Fred or whoever,if you have the opportunity try this fuel saving technique.It works well in carsthat can speed up to about 50 mph and then cut power and coast to nearly a stop.It is said they can double their gas milage. Assuming you fly level at a given cruise altitude. Now you apply more power and climb, perhaps 2000 ft. Then you throttle back to say 1500 or less rpm (~2500 rpm for rotaries) but maintain speed with the elevator. After you are back to the same cruise altitude, you apply power and climb up 2000 ft again and then you throttle back. You repeat this as often as you want. Mind you, if you have passengers, they may ask what the hell are you doing? Nevertheless, it should get you further for the same amount of fuel. Are there any takers out there to try that out? It would be nice to have that theory tested. This might come in handy some time when the fuel is low and the airport still far away. Jerry --- Version: 6.0.744 / Virus Database: 496 - Release Date: 8/24/2004 ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 06:35:03 PM PST US From: "john" Subject: Tailwind-List: Michigan Gathering --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "john" Thanks Guys for the great time at Plainwell this weekend. Richard showed up with his W-10 w/the V-8, does that thing ever sound smooth. I hoped to have acquired enough info from everyone to assemble my project. Richard stirred up the jungle this mornin and it was great, not as hard on the stomach as Baraboo when we had to use STP and thin it with paint thinner because we didn't have any cooking oil. There is someting in the air down there, as after dark the wolves come out, but that is another story. Low and slow, followed the terrain all the way home at 55, 10MPG. JohnD Don,t archive ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 06:50:26 PM PST US From: "Fred Weaver" Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Michigan Gathering --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver" Atta Way John.... To me, it sounds like you all had a lot of fun. You need to work on your MPG though... Looks like no matter how slow you go, your mileage sucks. hahahahahahha..... You need to start flying to these things, not driving. That Rotary might just get you there quickly but "Your mileage may vary"..... Yeeehaaaa, Weav ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" Subject: Tailwind-List: Michigan Gathering > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "john" > > Thanks Guys for the great time at Plainwell this weekend. Richard showed up > with his W-10 w/the V-8, does that thing ever sound smooth. I hoped to have > acquired enough info from everyone to assemble my project. Richard stirred > up the jungle this mornin and it was great, not as hard on the stomach as > Baraboo when we had to use STP and thin it with paint thinner because we > didn't have any cooking oil. There is someting in the air down there, as > after dark the wolves come out, but that is another story. Low and slow, > followed the terrain all the way home at 55, 10MPG. JohnD Don,t archive > > ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 06:56:52 PM PST US Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Michigan Gathering From: Dave Conrad --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Dave Conrad That's M.E.K. not paint thinner that Jim used with the STP. And those pancakes never stuck once to the grill. Dave On Sunday, September 12, 2004, at 08:46 PM, john wrote: > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "john" > > Thanks Guys for the great time at Plainwell this weekend. Richard > showed up > with his W-10 w/the V-8, does that thing ever sound smooth. I hoped > to have > acquired enough info from everyone to assemble my project. Richard > stirred > up the jungle this mornin and it was great, not as hard on the stomach > as > Baraboo when we had to use STP and thin it with paint thinner because > we > didn't have any cooking oil. There is someting in the air down there, > as > after dark the wolves come out, but that is another story. Low and > slow, > followed the terrain all the way home at 55, 10MPG. JohnD Don,t > archive > > > _- > ======================================================================= > > _- > ======================================================================= > > _- > ======================================================================= > > _- > ======================================================================= > > > > ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 06:58:07 PM PST US From: "flamini2" Subject: Tailwind-List: Plainwell Mich Flyin 9-11-04 Rich's cockpit. Here is a test photo at 70 kb. i do have software and spent a lot of time reducing my 4 MB photos to 300KB. i did not mean to crash anyone's PC. i do have up to date Norton and firewall on my PC and scans free every week. Guess i will post the photos back on the files section. Weav, The v-8 photo's are due to it is nice to see some different engines from time to time and i bet you would buy it if you heard it run. Good thing i did not have my video with me or the files would have been in MB not KB. Dennis Flamini N564DF race #53 Chicago ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 06:59:14 PM PST US From: "Fred Weaver" Subject: Tailwind-List: Post it to the fricken forum Danny Joe had this to say.... Cy, It was not much of a question and not much of a concern. But it does underscore a point, Yahoo has much to offer for a small price (ads). I think Fred is getting pop-ups not just the Yahoo ads. Someone should frame a question more of us would be interested in. -Danny AND just WHAT does Yahoo have to offer that is anything worthwhile?????? Come on Danny boy. You bet my panties are in a wad. I don't get pop ups, I get the standard Yahoo CRAP. Just go to the archives and try to read a few emails on a given thread. You have to look at the ads unless you quickly mouse to the "continue to the message" button. Trying to hide behind the yahoo polls and decide this idea is idiotic....... We are trying to help the whole bunch of Tailwind builders and flyers select a common form of communiction. I'm waiting for a some sort of a reasonable answer from your limited point of view...... Fred Weaver ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 07:08:12 PM PST US From: "Fred Weaver" Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Plainwell Mich Flyin 9-11-04 Rich's cockpit. Hahahahaha............ Good going Dennis. The picture is fine. A little small but fine. If you change the settings in your camera, the picture will still be big enough to see the detail yet small enough in file size to load fast.. When you "compress" a large picture into a small one to save the pixel count, you get the little picture that you posted. Keep trying but try to change your camera settings first. Get Luc's software and try it again. You will see the difference and it won't be painful. Weav Ps BTW, I'm sure it sounded nice.... But I wouldn't spend 10 cents on it if it wouldn't give me reliable transportation. I don't have time or $$$$$$$$$$$ for the failures. But would love to ride around at Tailwind functions without the wings attached. ----- Original Message ----- From: flamini2 To: tailwind-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 6:59 PM Subject: Tailwind-List: Plainwell Mich Flyin 9-11-04 Rich's cockpit. Here is a test photo at 70 kb. i do have software and spent a lot of time reducing my 4 MB photos to 300KB. i did not mean to crash anyone's PC. i do have up to date Norton and firewall on my PC and scans free every week. Guess i will post the photos back on the files section. Weav, The v-8 photo's are due to it is nice to see some different engines from time to time and i bet you would buy it if you heard it run. Good thing i did not have my video with me or the files would have been in MB not KB. Dennis Flamini N564DF race #53 Chicago ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 07:09:49 PM PST US Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Plainwell Mich Flyin 9-11-04 Rich's cockpit. From: Dave Conrad What is the fuel burn per hr on the V8? On Sunday, September 12, 2004, at 08:59 PM, flamini2 wrote: > Here is a test photo at 70 kb. > i do have software and spent a lot of time reducing my 4 MB photos to > 300KB. > i did not mean to crash anyone's PC. > i do have up to date Norton and firewall on my PC and scans free every > week. > Guess i will post the photos back on the files section. > Weav, > The v-8 photo's are due to it is nice to see some different engines > from time to time and i > bet you would buy it if you heard it run. > Good thing i did not have my video with me or the files would have > been in MB not KB. > Dennis Flamini N564DF race #53 Chicago > > ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 07:28:52 PM PST US From: George Turner Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Fred buy this Tailwind Fred, you need to up your bid to get it. I was going to bid, but it seems shipping on ups is almost 80 bucks if I checked it right. Don't know much about shipping. Sure would like to own that plane. George Jim and Donna Clement <168x@merr.com> wrote:Fred, did you see where your new TW is at if you win the bid? It would be a record breaker on its first flight. Jim C ----- Original Message ----- From: Fred Weaver Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Fred buy this Tailwind Thanks George... That is a nice one.. I am high bidder now.. Weav do not archive. ----- Original Message ----- From: George Turner Subject: Tailwind-List: Fred buy this Tailwind Fred, Get a backup Tailwind from E Bay. Here is a chance to buy a W-8 cheap. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63660&item=5919622508&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW George --------------------------------- --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 07:37:51 PM PST US From: George Turner Subject: Tailwind-List: Mich. Tailwinds and Fred's mpg. How many Tailwinds attended the Mich. fly in? Fred, if you don't get the Tailwind from England, maybe this guy in Australia will sell you His. They both look like they would be super of fuel mileage. George Bruce Grayling, Wittman 'Tailwind' Australia > > --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 07:41:24 PM PST US From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x@merr.com> Subject: Tailwind-List: Emailing: 94.5 kb airplane photo This is our hanger house at Indian Hills Airpark, Salome AZ. Two TWs way in the back of the hanger, trigear now owned by Dave Magaw, TD 168Y Gary Volkman, RV6 Ted Rosario, Akro hybrid Jim Rust and Harmon Rocket Mytyweav. Only two of the five are TWs but all five owners own TWs. ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 07:41:58 PM PST US From: "Fred Weaver" Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Fred buy this Tailwind God, I hope you are wrong....about the shipping of course. I figured it might be 10 or 15 bucks... It's a little tiny box that weighs nothing. Man oh man, if someone outbids me, they can have it..... It's just a little indoor rubber model....... But I like it...... Weav ----- Original Message ----- From: George Turner To: tailwind-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 7:28 PM Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Fred buy this Tailwind Fred, you need to up your bid to get it. I was going to bid, but it seems shipping on ups is almost 80 bucks if I checked it right. Don't know much about shipping. Sure would like to own that plane. George Jim and Donna Clement <168x@merr.com> wrote: Fred, did you see where your new TW is at if you win the bid? It would be a record breaker on its first flight. Jim C ----- Original Message ----- From: Fred Weaver To: tailwind-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 5:11 PM Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Fred buy this Tailwind Thanks George... That is a nice one.. I am high bidder now.. Weav do not archive. ----- Original Message ----- From: George Turner To: tailwind-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 2:10 PM Subject: Tailwind-List: Fred buy this Tailwind Fred, Get a backup Tailwind from E Bay. Here is a chance to buy a W-8 cheap. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category63660&item5919622508&rd1&ssPageNameWDVW George ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________ Time: 07:46:11 PM PST US From: "Fred Weaver" Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Emailing: 94.5 kb airplane photo --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x@merr.com> Subject: Tailwind-List: Emailing: 94.5 kb airplane photo > > This is our hanger house at Indian Hills Airpark, Salome AZ. > Two TWs way in the back of the hanger, trigear now owned by Dave Magaw, TD > 168Y Gary Volkman, RV6 Ted Rosario, Akro hybrid Jim Rust and Harmon Rocket > Mytyweav. Only two of the five are TWs but all five owners own TWs. > ________________________________ Message 47 ____________________________________ Time: 07:51:27 PM PST US From: George Turner Subject: Tailwind-List: Test picture Here is a test picture: I copied Jim's picture and pasted it. If you click on it it gets bigger I think. George --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 48 ____________________________________ Time: 07:53:32 PM PST US From: "Fred Weaver" Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Jim C's airplane photo --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver" A great example of a picture that didn't take forever, yet filled the screen with good stuff. Except for my unpainted vertical and rudder assembly..... Salome is a great place to visit and go watch car races... or visit Home Depot, Phoenix.. Gas is plentiful there too.. Just charge it to Eldon. BTW, I wouldn't give up my Tailwind for any other plane. They all go to someone else first....... The other planes are just fun to experiment with....AND go VERTICAL.... But if you only have to have one..... Well, you get the picture. Keep the T'Wind... Weav ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x@merr.com> Subject: Tailwind-List: Emailing: 94.5 kb airplane photo > > This is our hanger house at Indian Hills Airpark, Salome AZ. > Two TWs way in the back of the hanger, trigear now owned by Dave Magaw, TD > 168Y Gary Volkman, RV6 Ted Rosario, Akro hybrid Jim Rust and Harmon Rocket > Mytyweav. Only two of the five are TWs but all five owners own TWs. > ________________________________ Message 49 ____________________________________ Time: 07:58:37 PM PST US From: Larry Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: fuel milage --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Larry I used to work for a guy when I was young that thought the peddle to the metal, then let off and coast was a fuel saving technique but I will say that it never saved fuel, just used more fuel and made me SEA SICK WHEN I RODE WITH HIM. I did work for him in the Hugo Oklahoma area and we started from the edge of Dallas Tx. I was always glad to get to Ok or Dallas depending on the direction of travel. Larry H. >--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver" > >I don't believe it for a second.. If I wanted to extend my on board fuel >range, I would simply throttle back and fly at Best L/D or around 120 mph. >Then I would lean the crap out of it too. >Weav >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jerry Hey" >To: >Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 4:30 PM >Subject: Tailwind-List: fuel milage > > > > >>--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Jerry Hey >> >>Credits: I got this from the ACRE newsletter. >> >>Fred or whoever, if you have the opportunity try this fuel saving >>technique. It works well in cars that can speed up to about 50 mph >>and then cut power and coast to nearly a stop. It is said they can >>double their gas milage. >> >> >>>> Assuming you fly level at a given cruise altitude. Now you apply >>>>more power >>>> and climb, perhaps 2000 ft. Then you throttle back to say 1500 or >>>>less rpm (~2500 >>>> rpm for rotaries) but maintain speed with the elevator. After you >>>>are back to the >>>> same cruise altitude, you apply power and climb up 2000 ft again and >>>>then you >>>> throttle back. You repeat this as often as you want. Mind you, if >>>>you have >>>>passengers, they may ask what the hell are you doing? Nevertheless, >>>>it should get you further >>>> for the same amount of fuel. >>>> >>>> >>>> Are there any takers out there to try that out? It would be nice to >>>>have that theory tested. >>>> >>>> >>>> This might come in handy some time when the fuel >>>> >>>> >> is low and the airport still far away. Jerry >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >. > > > ________________________________ Message 50 ____________________________________ Time: 08:02:09 PM PST US From: "Fred Weaver" Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Fred buy this Tailwind Thank God someone else is bidding against me...... We still have several hours to go and the guy is bidding like he needs it...... I'd rather put the freight dollars into my gas tank here. It was fun.. Weav Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: George Turner To: tailwind-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 7:28 PM Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Fred buy this Tailwind Fred, you need to up your bid to get it. I was going to bid, but it seems shipping on ups is almost 80 bucks if I checked it right. Don't know much about shipping. Sure would like to own that plane. George Jim and Donna Clement <168x@merr.com> wrote: Fred, did you see where your new TW is at if you win the bid? It would be a record breaker on its first flight. Jim C ----- Original Message ----- From: Fred Weaver To: tailwind-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 5:11 PM Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Fred buy this Tailwind Thanks George... That is a nice one.. I am high bidder now.. Weav do not archive. ----- Original Message ----- From: George Turner To: tailwind-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 2:10 PM Subject: Tailwind-List: Fred buy this Tailwind Fred, Get a backup Tailwind from E Bay. Here is a chance to buy a W-8 cheap. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category63660&item5919622508&rd1&ssPageNameWDVW George ________________________________ Message 51 ____________________________________ Time: 08:02:52 PM PST US From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x@merr.com> Subject: Tailwind-List: Fw: Emailing: same picture but different setting, a test ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x@merr.com> Subject: Emailing: same picture but different setting, a test > This is the full size but the same KBs. ________________________________ Message 52 ____________________________________ Time: 08:04:31 PM PST US From: Larry Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: fuel milage --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Larry I think it took a while to find the fishermans boat ! Larry H. Jim and Donna Clement wrote >Earl, Did they ever find your bowling ball? Jim > > > > >>--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Earl Luce" >> >>Fred , >> Are you bored ? I don't think I've ever seen so many comments from you >> >> >! > > >> How about this question .........Have you ever owned a Tailwind with >> >> >the > > >>windows in the door that slide open ( as per plans ) I have them on the >>Buttercup and love them . I get a little claustrophobic in my TW with only >>that tiny side vent ????? >> Oh yeah , Laura and I went for a 200 mile ride around the patch today >> >> >, > > >>average 120 mph @ 5.1 mpg.with the side windows wide open . I couldn't >> >> >help > > >>myself I had to throw out my dead 9 volt battery in the lake . >>Earl >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Fred Weaver" >>To: >>Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 8:11 PM >>Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: fuel milage >> >> >> >> >>>--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver" >>> >>> >> >> >> >>>I don't believe it for a second.. If I wanted to extend my on board >>> >>> >fuel > > >>>range, I would simply throttle back and fly at Best L/D or around 120 >>> >>> >mph. > > >>>Then I would lean the crap out of it too. >>>Weav >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Jerry Hey" >>>To: >>>Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 4:30 PM >>>Subject: Tailwind-List: fuel milage >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Jerry Hey >>>> >>>> >> >> >> >>>>Credits: I got this from the ACRE newsletter. >>>> >>>>Fred or whoever, if you have the opportunity try this fuel saving >>>>technique. It works well in cars that can speed up to about 50 mph >>>>and then cut power and coast to nearly a stop. It is said they can >>>>double their gas milage. >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Assuming you fly level at a given cruise altitude. Now you apply >>>>>>more power >>>>>> and climb, perhaps 2000 ft. Then you throttle back to say 1500 or >>>>>>less rpm (~2500 >>>>>> rpm for rotaries) but maintain speed with the elevator. After you >>>>>>are back to the >>>>>> same cruise altitude, you apply power and climb up 2000 ft again >>>>>> >>>>>> >and > > >>>>>>then you >>>>>> throttle back. You repeat this as often as you want. Mind you, if >>>>>>you have >>>>>>passengers, they may ask what the hell are you doing? Nevertheless, >>>>>>it should get you further >>>>>> for the same amount of fuel. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Are there any takers out there to try that out? It would be nice >>>>>> >>>>>> >to > > >>>>>>have that theory tested. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> This might come in handy some time when the fuel >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> is low and the airport still far away. Jerry >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>--- >>Version: 6.0.744 / Virus Database: 496 - Release Date: 8/24/2004 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >. > > > ________________________________ Message 53 ____________________________________ Time: 08:13:44 PM PST US From: "Luc H." <4luc@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Fw: Emailing: same picture but different setting, a test How is this, same size but only 32k.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x@merr.com> Subject: Tailwind-List: Fw: Emailing: same picture but different setting, a test ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x@merr.com> Subject: Emailing: same picture but different setting, a test > This is the full size but the same KBs. ________________________________ Message 54 ____________________________________ Time: 08:14:57 PM PST US From: George Turner Subject: Tailwind-List: Re:Tailwind test, to see picture click on 'Reply' Click on reply, then click on picture and grab a corner or edge with your mouse and make it as big as you want. Works for me. Neat. George George Turner wrote:Here is a test picture: I copied Jim's picture and pasted it. If you click on it it gets bigger I think. George Do not archive --------------------------------- --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 55 ____________________________________ Time: 08:18:52 PM PST US From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x@merr.com> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Fw: Emailing: same picture but different setting, a test --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x@merr.com> Luc, that looks good but I don't know how to do it. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luc H." <4luc@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Fw: Emailing: same picture but different setting, a test > How is this, same size but only 32k.. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x@merr.com> > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 8:01 PM > Subject: Tailwind-List: Fw: Emailing: same picture but different setting, a > test > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x@merr.com> > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 9:50 PM > Subject: Emailing: same picture but different setting, a test > > > > This is the full size but the same KBs. > ________________________________ Message 56 ____________________________________ Time: 08:20:40 PM PST US From: Larry Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Plainwell Mich Flyin 9-11-04 Rich's cockpit. --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Larry that sure is a wittle bitty picture Larry H. flamini2 wrote: > Here is a test photo at 70 kb. > i do have software and spent a lot of time reducing my 4 MB photos to > 300KB. > i did not mean to crash anyone's PC. > i do have up to date Norton and firewall on my PC and scans free every > week. > Guess i will post the photos back on the files section. > Weav, > The v-8 photo's are due to it is nice to see some different engines > from time to time and i > bet you would buy it if you heard it run. > Good thing i did not have my video with me or the files would have > been in MB not KB. > Dennis Flamini N564DF race #53 Chicago ________________________________ Message 57 ____________________________________ Time: 08:32:11 PM PST US From: "Dan" Subject: RE: Tailwind-List: Post it to the fricken forum Fred, I'm not going to defend Yahoo over Matronics, but you remember the Yahoo group got started because where we were back then at Chlassociates went belly up. What we could do is get Dave to copy all the Yahoo messages that are "worthy" into a file every 6 months and send it to Matronics. : ) Then we could do searches of the archives without the Yahoo advertisements. There is a whole panel of features on the left that Yahoo has there but isn't being used, polls being but one. And if you have a picture that would be better if it did not get downsized you could put it in the "files" section of Yahoo. Well there I go defending Yahoo. So I will quit typing. -Danny -----Original Message----- From: owner-tailwind-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-tailwind-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred Weaver Subject: Tailwind-List: Post it to the fricken forum Danny Joe had this to say.... Cy, It was not much of a question and not much of a concern. But it does underscore a point, Yahoo has much to offer for a small price (ads). I think Fred is getting pop-ups not just the Yahoo ads. Someone should frame a question more of us would be interested in. -Danny AND just WHAT does Yahoo have to offer that is anything worthwhile?????? Come on Danny boy. You bet my panties are in a wad. I don't get pop ups, I get the standard Yahoo CRAP. Just go to the archives and try to read a few emails on a given thread. You have to look at the ads unless you quickly mouse to the "continue to the message" button. Trying to hide behind the yahoo polls and decide this idea is idiotic....... We are trying to help the whole bunch of Tailwind builders and flyers select a common form of communiction. I'm waiting for a some sort of a reasonable answer from your limited point of view...... Fred Weaver ________________________________ Message 58 ____________________________________ Time: 08:32:23 PM PST US From: "Luc H." <4luc@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Fw: Emailing: same picture but different setting, a test --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Luc H." <4luc@sbcglobal.net> Jim, leave the size the same (800x800) but reduce the resolution, I reduce your photo resolution by 50% and it still looks good on a 1280x1024 LCD screen. Easier to do than explain. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x@merr.com> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Fw: Emailing: same picture but different setting, a test --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x@merr.com> Luc, that looks good but I don't know how to do it. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luc H." <4luc@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Fw: Emailing: same picture but different setting, a test > How is this, same size but only 32k.. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x@merr.com> > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 8:01 PM > Subject: Tailwind-List: Fw: Emailing: same picture but different setting, a > test > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x@merr.com> > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 9:50 PM > Subject: Emailing: same picture but different setting, a test > > > > This is the full size but the same KBs. > ________________________________ Message 59 ____________________________________ Time: 08:35:47 PM PST US From: Rich Ellis Subject: Tailwind-List: Free Software To Reduce Photos 0.04 LOTS_OF_STUFF BODY: Thousands or millions of pictures, movies, etc. --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Rich Ellis Jim ... It is very easy and will be glad to show you how to reduce photos size when in Baraboo next (hopefully this coming Sat). For those interested in a very nice FREEWARE photo album, you can download "myalbum" from http://pmeindre.free.fr/MyAlbum.html. This is the perfect software when you want to quickly load and view many tailwind photos. It usually takes only minutes to load-up my Taiwind photo file, which now has about 1000 pictures. Rich --- Jim and Donna Clement <168x@merr.com> wrote: > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Jim and Donna > Clement" <168x@merr.com> > > Luc, that looks good but I don't know how to do it. > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Luc H." <4luc@sbcglobal.net> > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 10:12 PM > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Fw: Emailing: same > picture but different > setting, a test > > > > How is this, same size but only 32k.. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x@merr.com> > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 8:01 PM > > Subject: Tailwind-List: Fw: Emailing: same picture > but different setting, > a > > test > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x@merr.com> > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 9:50 PM > > Subject: Emailing: same picture but different > setting, a test > > > > > > > This is the full size but the same KBs. > > > > > > > > > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > http://www.matronics.com/chat > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Tailwind-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > > ===== Richard L. Ellis, M.D. Gundersen Lutheran Health System Co-Director Norma J. Vinger Center for Breast Care 1900 South Avenue La Crosse, WI 54601 800.362.9567, ext. 52102 rjrellis@yahoo.com __________________________________ ________________________________ Message 60 ____________________________________ Time: 08:36:08 PM PST US From: "Luc H." <4luc@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Re:Tailwind test, to see picture click on 'Reply' George, what ever you are doing is not working on my end. I'm getting an image place holder that links to an expired Yahoo page. YaaaaHoooo ----- Original Message ----- From: George Turner To: tailwind-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 8:14 PM Subject: Tailwind-List: Re:Tailwind test, to see picture click on 'Reply' Click on reply, then click on picture and grab a corner or edge with your mouse and make it as big as you want. Works for me. Neat. George George Turner wrote: Here is a test picture: I copied Jim's picture and pasted it. If you click on it it gets bigger I think. George ________________________________ Message 61 ____________________________________ Time: 08:36:29 PM PST US From: Larry Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Re:Tailwind test, to see picture click on 'Reply' --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Larry George, when I click on the frame, it leaves mail box, then goes on the net to Yahoo and says my session has expired but no picture opens. What do you think is happening. Larry H. George Turner wrote: > Click on reply, then click on picture and grab a corner or edge with > your mouse and make it as big as you want. Works for me. Neat. George > > */George Turner /* wrote: > > Here is a test picture: I copied Jim's picture and pasted it. If > you click on it it gets bigger I think. George > > > > Do not archive > > - Send 10MB messages! > > - You start. We finish. ________________________________ Message 62 ____________________________________ Time: 08:42:28 PM PST US From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x@merr.com> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Re:Tailwind test, to see picture click on 'Reply' Didn't George say something a few messages ago about keeping it simple? Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Luc H. To: tailwind-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 10:34 PM Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Re:Tailwind test, to see picture click on 'Reply' George, what ever you are doing is not working on my end. I'm getting an image place holder that links to an expired Yahoo page. YaaaaHoooo ----- Original Message ----- From: George Turner To: tailwind-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 8:14 PM Subject: Tailwind-List: Re:Tailwind test, to see picture click on 'Reply' Click on reply, then click on picture and grab a corner or edge with your mouse and make it as big as you want. Works for me. Neat. George George Turner wrote: Here is a test picture: I copied Jim's picture and pasted it. If you click on it it gets bigger I think. George ________________________________ Message 63 ____________________________________ Time: 09:06:25 PM PST US From: "Luc H." <4luc@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Post it to the fricken forum Danny Chlassociates had nothing to do with us going to Yahoo. The reason we went to Yahoo was we needed a way to share photos. Jerry tried to be a list moderator but it was a pain in the butt, then Dave Magaw started the TailwindForum. The forum at that time allowed us to attach photos and archived our photos, we could post to the photo section and members could go to the photo section and view the full size image (not the current reduced 400x image). Now Yahoo doesn't archive photos. Matronics has a far superior archive search. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan To: tailwind-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 8:31 PM Subject: RE: Tailwind-List: Post it to the fricken forum Fred, I'm not going to defend Yahoo over Matronics, but you remember the Yahoo group got started because where we were back then at Chlassociates went belly up. What we could do is get Dave to copy all the Yahoo messages that are "worthy" into a file every 6 months and send it to Matronics. : ) Then we could do searches of the archives without the Yahoo advertisements. There is a whole panel of features on the left that Yahoo has there but isn't being used, polls being but one. And if you have a picture that would be better if it did not get downsized you could put it in the "files" section of Yahoo. Well there I go defending Yahoo. So I will quit typing. -Danny -----Original Message----- From: owner-tailwind-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-tailwind-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred Weaver Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 8:59 PM To: tailwind-list@matronics.com Cc: Luc H. Subject: Tailwind-List: Post it to the fricken forum Danny Joe had this to say.... Cy, It was not much of a question and not much of a concern. But it does underscore a point, Yahoo has much to offer for a small price (ads). I think Fred is getting pop-ups not just the Yahoo ads. Someone should frame a question more of us would be interested in. -Danny AND just WHAT does Yahoo have to offer that is anything worthwhile?????? Come on Danny boy. You bet my panties are in a wad. I don't get pop ups, I get the standard Yahoo CRAP. Just go to the archives and try to read a few emails on a given thread. You have to look at the ads unless you quickly mouse to the "continue to the message" button. Trying to hide behind the yahoo polls and decide this idea is idiotic....... We are trying to help the whole bunch of Tailwind builders and flyers select a common form of communiction. I'm waiting for a some sort of a reasonable answer from your limited point of view...... Fred Weaver ________________________________ Message 64 ____________________________________ Time: 11:10:55 PM PST US From: "Fred Weaver" Subject: Tailwind-List: Re Tailwinds and Fred's mpg. George, George, George......... Where are the tips that it needs to perform. Geez, this one will fly like Danny's W8.... Weav ----- Original Message ----- From: George Turner To: tailwind-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 7:37 PM Subject: Tailwind-List: Mich. Tailwinds and Fred's mpg. How many Tailwinds attended the Mich. fly in? Fred, if you don't get the Tailwind from England, maybe this guy in Australia will sell you His. They both look like they would be super of fuel mileage. George Bruce Grayling, Wittman 'Tailwind' Australia