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1. 12:28 AM - N540CJ Pic troubles (CJ Kirby Memphis Tailwind)
2. 12:41 AM - Re: N540CJ Pic troubles (Fred Weaver)
3. 01:16 AM - Pics of N540CJ resized (Luc H.)
4. 04:03 AM - N540CJ (Jerry Hey)
5. 04:37 AM - Rotary eng up date (Jerry Hey)
6. 05:15 AM - Re: The Tuttercup (Jim and Donna Clement)
7. 07:37 AM - Re: Pics of N540CJ resized (Dave Conrad)
8. 08:03 AM - Fw: Pics of N540CJ resized (CJ Kirby Memphis Tailwind)
9. 08:17 AM - Re: N540CJ (CJ Kirby Memphis Tailwind)
10. 09:18 AM - Re: N540CJ (Fred Weaver)
11. 09:36 AM - Re: Rotary eng up date (Luc H.)
12. 10:14 AM - Re: N540CJ Pic troubles (Keith Imel)
13. 11:14 AM - Re: N540CJ (CJ Kirby Memphis Tailwind)
14. 11:17 AM - OOPS! (CJ Kirby Memphis Tailwind)
15. 11:38 AM - [ CJ Kirby ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
16. 11:51 AM - Re: N540CJ (Dan)
17. 02:46 PM - Re: Rotary eng up date (Jerry Hey)
18. 03:17 PM - Re: N540CJ (Fred Weaver)
19. 04:24 PM - Re: The Tuttercup (Kenneth Graves)
20. 06:58 PM - Re: The Tuttercup (Earl Luce)
21. 07:33 PM - Re: Paint (Keith)
22. 07:42 PM - Re: Paint (Dave Conrad)
23. 07:50 PM - painting (John Downing)
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| Subject: | N540CJ Pic troubles |
Hey guys,
I have been having some trouble with getting this file to you guys. The guys who
requested the N540CJ illustration, I sent two views. The side view 2mb, and
the top view 4.5mb. I did not realize the top view was so big. It isn't as detailed
as the side, but its twice the memory. I also tried to post them to the
photoshare, but Matt kicked it because it was to big. Sorry. I resent the smaller
file to Matt and hope it will fit. If you asked me to send you pic, and didn't
get it, then shoot me an email, and I'll try just the smaller 2mb file.
Thanks for being patient with this newcomer!
CJ Kirby
memphistailwind@bellsouth.net
N540CJ
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| Subject: | Re: N540CJ Pic troubles |
Yo CJ..... Send them both to Luc and let him do some magic.... Then Matt will
be able to post them and you will be able to share them too... 4luc@sbcglobal.net
Thanks Luc!
Weav
----- Original Message -----
From: CJ Kirby Memphis Tailwind
To: Tailwind List
Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 12:27 AM
Subject: Tailwind-List: N540CJ Pic troubles
Hey guys,
I have been having some trouble with getting this file to you guys. The guys
who requested the N540CJ illustration, I sent two views. The side view 2mb, and
the top view 4.5mb. I did not realize the top view was so big. It isn't as detailed
as the side, but its twice the memory. I also tried to post them to the
photoshare, but Matt kicked it because it was to big. Sorry. I resent the smaller
file to Matt and hope it will fit. If you asked me to send you pic, and
didn't get it, then shoot me an email, and I'll try just the smaller 2mb file.
Thanks for being patient with this newcomer!
CJ Kirby
memphistailwind@bellsouth.net
N540CJ
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| Subject: | Pics of N540CJ resized |
Thanks Fred!
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Jerry Hey <j-winddesigns@thegrid.net>
CJ, there I was just sort of day dreaming through the e-mail, one
finger on the delete button, when the Illustrations of your air plane
popped up. Jesus, I love that paint job and the all that "lexan" in
the doors. This is an illustration. Does the real thing look like
that too? Jerry
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| Subject: | Rotary eng up date |
A few guys on this list ( especially LUC) are interested in the
progress of my rotary engine. Yesterday we hit a milestone as the
intake modification called Peripheral Ports I have been working on for
some time finally reached completion. With this single modification
the rotary engine will develop well over 200 h.p. at cruise rpm. While
it took me nearly two years to get to this point since the first
drawing was made, those who decide to do this modification now can have
immediate gratification by just sending their rotor housings to me.
A peripheral port is just a hole bored in the rotor housing into which
a throttle body is installed. The position of the lower and upper lips
of the hole determine the intake timing. The black stuff you see in
the photo is 500 degree epoxy used to secure the throttle body in
place. A pint of it cost me $69.00. Jerry
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| Subject: | Re: The Tuttercup |
It was my understanding that his concern of the wing twisting was because of moving
the aileron out to the tip of the wing. This wing had a different tip than
the W10, the rear spar and trailing edge were extended as well as the aileron.
This allowed for longer flaps. Buttercup needs two struts because it is fabric
covered. Jim C
----- Original Message -----
From: Keith Imel
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 2:01 AM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: The Tuttercup
Jim C,
Do you know what Steve did to address the twisting moment? How did the moving
leading edge differ from Buttercup?
Keith
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim and Donna Clement
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 10:08 PM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: The Tuttercup
Steve was building such a wing when he died. It is on display at the EAA museum.
It is basically a W10 wing with moving leading edge. Jim C
----- Original Message -----
From: Keith Imel
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 12:08 AM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: The Tuttercup
Earl,
I certainly respect Witts opinion on the twisting moment. Still, a leading
edge flap on a W10 is a tempting thought. A wonder if the wing could be stiffened
without adding to much weight? How about facing all ribs with 1/16 ply
and covering wing with 1/8 45 degree birch plywood. Then instead of fiberglass
over the wing maybe use carbon fiber cloth?? Just ideas, maybe some of the
other guys could give us their thoughts.
Keith
----- Original Message -----
From: Earl Luce
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 3:59 PM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: The Tuttercup
Keith,
If you try to make a leading edge flap for the TW the problem is the
twisting moment without a rear strut .That is right from Witt himself .
Earl
----- Original Message -----
From: Keith Imel
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 1:46 AM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: The Tuttercup
I have thought that a W10 with the leading edge flaps would have an
even better speed range. Maybe a hidden hinge could be developed for them. Key
would be to keep the weight down.
Keith
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry H
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 9:28 PM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: The Tuttercup
Since the front is Buttercup and rear is Tailwind, then just call it
Butterwind ! Maybe it will go faster all buttered up like that ! :)
Larry H.
----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis Flamini
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: The Tuttercup
Joe,
Why not Tailcup, Butterwing?
Dennis Flamini N564DF race #53 Chicago
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Maj
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: The Tuttercup
That's the horizontal stab? I checked the dimensions- they're pretty
close as is.
----- Original Message -----
From: Earl Luce
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 8:17 PM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: The Tuttercup
Remember to increase the stab over the W-10 .
Earl
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Maj
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 7:03 PM
Subject: Tailwind-List: The Tuttercup
I'm firming up the plan for my project. I've decided to hybridize
the Buttercup and the Tailwind, hence the Tuttercup.
The wing and fuselage from firewall to the seats, will be Buttercup,
aft , W-10 including the empennage. The plane will be a tri-gear. Fuselage
width will be 42". While my research indicates the leading edge flap may
be only marginally beneficial, I'll use it anyway.
I'm looking at substituting aluminum for steel wherever feasible
- flaps, ailerons, horizontal stabilizer, flippers, rudder, control system
components - to save weight.
Joe Maj
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| Subject: | Re: Pics of N540CJ resized |
Those are some killer paint job pictures! I had planned the checker
board tail for mine also. I love the flames. Dave
On Sunday, September 19, 2004, at 03:14 AM, Luc H. wrote:
> Thanks Fred!
> <540CJArt.jpg><Jtopview.jpg>
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| Subject: | Pics of N540CJ resized |
Thanks Luc,
Here are the lower res. illustrations of N540CJ. Hope you like them.
CJ Kirby
memphistailwind@bellsouth.net
N540CJ
----- Original Message -----
From: Luc H.
Subject: Tailwind-List: Pics of N540CJ resized
Thanks Fred!
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Jerry,
We are going to make N540CJ as much like the concept as possible. We are going
to glass the wings, create the large picture window doors, extend the overhead
canopy to include the baggage compartment, the paint job will be custom with
flames done by one of our sponsors TEAM 1 Autobody, carbon fiber parts from Brian
Alley, Dynon instrumentation, Grand rapids EFIS, and we are looking for some
radios, if anyone has any thoughts. We just purchased a O-320 B3B 160hp set
up for a constant speed prop. We hope to have Whirlwind, who is a sponsor, build
us a custom 2 blade composite prop.
I am looking for a good deal on a conical engine/gear mount for this motor. Which
one of you guys builds the best and least expensive setup? We will need it
soon. Hope to have the fuse tacked up in two weeks, and start mocking the plane
up.
CJ Kirby
memphistailwind@bellsouth.net
N540CJ
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CJ..... Why in the world would you put in Dynon stuff and then Grand Rapids EFIS
also? The Grand Rapids stuff is really GREAT all by itself. Is the Dynon for
some sort of backup?
On the prop issue, will you be going electric or hydraulic? And why not a 3 Blade?
Put Jimmy to work.... They do make some nice props..
Weav
----- Original Message -----
From: CJ Kirby Memphis Tailwind
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 8:16 AM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: N540CJ
Jerry,
We are going to make N540CJ as much like the concept as possible. We are going
to glass the wings, create the large picture window doors, extend the overhead
canopy to include the baggage compartment, the paint job will be custom with
flames done by one of our sponsors TEAM 1 Autobody, carbon fiber parts from
Brian Alley, Dynon instrumentation, Grand rapids EFIS, and we are looking for
some radios, if anyone has any thoughts. We just purchased a O-320 B3B 160hp set
up for a constant speed prop. We hope to have Whirlwind, who is a sponsor,
build us a custom 2 blade composite prop.
I am looking for a good deal on a conical engine/gear mount for this motor. Which
one of you guys builds the best and least expensive setup? We will need it
soon. Hope to have the fuse tacked up in two weeks, and start mocking the plane
up.
CJ Kirby
memphistailwind@bellsouth.net
N540CJ
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| Subject: | Re: Rotary eng up date |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Luc H." <4luc@sbcglobal.net>
Looks good Jerry. When do you think it will be ready to run on a test stand
or dyno??
Luc
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Hey" <j-winddesigns@thegrid.net>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Rotary eng up date
A few guys on this list ( especially LUC) are interested in the
progress of my rotary engine. Yesterday we hit a milestone as the
intake modification called Peripheral Ports I have been working on for
some time finally reached completion. With this single modification
the rotary engine will develop well over 200 h.p. at cruise rpm. While
it took me nearly two years to get to this point since the first
drawing was made, those who decide to do this modification now can have
immediate gratification by just sending their rotor housings to me.
A peripheral port is just a hole bored in the rotor housing into which
a throttle body is installed. The position of the lower and upper lips
of the hole determine the intake timing. The black stuff you see in
the photo is 500 degree epoxy used to secure the throttle body in
place. A pint of it cost me $69.00. Jerry
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| Subject: | Re: N540CJ Pic troubles |
CJ,
Would you please send me both files, I have High Speed DSL and the large files
are not a problem.
Thanks Keith
keithimel@alaska.net
----- Original Message -----
From: CJ Kirby Memphis Tailwind
To: Tailwind List
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 11:27 PM
Subject: Tailwind-List: N540CJ Pic troubles
Hey guys,
I have been having some trouble with getting this file to you guys. The guys
who requested the N540CJ illustration, I sent two views. The side view 2mb, and
the top view 4.5mb. I did not realize the top view was so big. It isn't as detailed
as the side, but its twice the memory. I also tried to post them to the
photoshare, but Matt kicked it because it was to big. Sorry. I resent the smaller
file to Matt and hope it will fit. If you asked me to send you pic, and
didn't get it, then shoot me an email, and I'll try just the smaller 2mb file.
Thanks for being patient with this newcomer!
CJ Kirby
memphistailwind@bellsouth.net
N540CJ
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Sorry Weav, Typo. We are thinking about just doing the GrandRapids EIS. The Dynon
is a less expensive EFIS. But after your comment, I looked into the GrandRapids
system, and it may in fact be the better choice. Decisions, decisions....
CJ Kirby
memphistailwind@bellsouth.net
N540CJ
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Ooops. In an attempt to send Keith Imel the large picture files, I accidentally
sent them to the group. I hope it gets kicked by Matt. If not Sorry!
CJ Kirby
memphistailwind@bellsouth.net
N540CJ
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| Subject: | [ CJ Kirby ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares <pictures@matronics.com>
A new Email List Photo Share is available:
Poster: CJ Kirby <memphistailwind@bellsouth.net>
Lists: Tailwind-List
Subject: Skip Stewart Airshows
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/memphistailwind@bellsouth.net.09.19.2004/index.html
o Main Photo Share Index
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
o Submitting a Photo Share
If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the
following information along with your email message and files:
1) Email List or Lists that they are related to:
2) Your Full Name:
3) Your Email Address:
4) One line Subject description:
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic:
6) One-line Description of each photo or file:
Email the information above and your files and photos to:
pictures@matronics.com
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CJ,
Matt put them up in their full glory. I got them, THANKS.
-Danny
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-tailwind-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-tailwind-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of CJ Kirby
Memphis Tailwind
Subject: Tailwind-List: N540CJ
Hey guys,
I just received an illustration of my Tailwind from one of our sponsors. I
would like to post it, but it is a 2mb file. If anyone wants to see it email
me. If the group wants to see it, the guys with fast planes and slow
internet connections will just have to be sore.
CJ Kirby
memphistailwind@bellsouth.net
N540CJ
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| Subject: | Re: Rotary eng up date |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Jerry Hey <j-winddesigns@thegrid.net>
Don't know Luc. I don't have a test stand and besides the performance
of the p port is well documented. P ports have racked up hundreds of
hours on the dyno. I have no doubt about its performance. Remember
that the PowerSport p port is generating 215 hp at only 5300 rpm.
I just want to complete the intake manifold, then set the engine in
the corner and start building my TW again. Incidentally, there are
some advantages to building on a shoe string. For one, I am not
spending money on beautiful leather upholstery even though I like it.
Second, I will have a minimal panel, the only luxury being a panel
GPS, even though I would like a Grand Rapids EIS. I could care less
about interior sound proofing. That is what head sets are for. And
so on. These things are expensive and also they require time to
install. Glad to get them out of my head.
I am so easy to please. All I want is to climb out at 4000 fpm and
cruise at 230 mph. Jerry
On Sunday, September 19, 2004, at 11:34 AM, Luc H. wrote:
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Luc H." <4luc@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Looks good Jerry. When do you think it will be ready to run on a test
> stand
> or dyno??
> Luc
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jerry Hey" <j-winddesigns@thegrid.net>
> To: <Tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 4:39 AM
> Subject: Tailwind-List: Rotary eng up date
>
>
> A few guys on this list ( especially LUC) are interested in the
> progress of my rotary engine. Yesterday we hit a milestone as the
> intake modification called Peripheral Ports I have been working on for
> some time finally reached completion. With this single modification
> the rotary engine will develop well over 200 h.p. at cruise rpm. While
> it took me nearly two years to get to this point since the first
> drawing was made, those who decide to do this modification now can have
> immediate gratification by just sending their rotor housings to me.
>
> A peripheral port is just a hole bored in the rotor housing into which
> a throttle body is installed. The position of the lower and upper lips
> of the hole determine the intake timing. The black stuff you see in
> the photo is 500 degree epoxy used to secure the throttle body in
> place. A pint of it cost me $69.00. Jerry
>
>
> _-
> =======================================================================
> > _-
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> > _-
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> > _-
> =======================================================================
> >
>
>
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CJ.... I believe you would be much happier with the GRT setup... Their EFIS
also has the EIS in it if you want. If you are going to be doing any serious travelling,
it would be very hard to beat. And it's very upward compatible with
other manufacturers and products that are coming up..
Good Luck,
Weav
----- Original Message -----
From: CJ Kirby Memphis Tailwind
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: N540CJ
Sorry Weav, Typo. We are thinking about just doing the GrandRapids EIS. The Dynon
is a less expensive EFIS. But after your comment, I looked into the GrandRapids
system, and it may in fact be the better choice. Decisions, decisions....
CJ Kirby
memphistailwind@bellsouth.net
N540CJ
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| Subject: | Re: The Tuttercup |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Kenneth Graves <kbgraves@yahoo.com>
Do not hand paint. It took me 14 hours to do all
tubing and the Job is not one I'm particularly proud
of. An old time A&P said he did them all by hand said
spraying wasted to much paint, so I did . What a
mistake. I would have gladly paid the extra bucks for
a nice smooth job.
Ken
--- Keith Imel <keithimel@alaska.net> wrote:
> The fuselage should be primed and painted right away
> after sand blasting before any rust has a chance to
> form. Wipe it down with reducer and clean rags to
> remove any remaining dust and prime with epoxy
> primer. It will stick very well to the sand blasted
> surface. I use a small touch up gun to reduce
> overspray. Then follow with epoxy paint. My opinion
> is that this is better than powder coating. Cheaper
> to!
> Keith
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Keith
> To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 1:34 PM
> Subject: RE: Tailwind-List: The Tuttercup
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Keith] I have a question. After the fuselage
> has been sand blasted, should it be sanded down
> before paint? Or does the paint adhere to the
> rougher surface better.
>
>
>
> [Keith] Keith Dornseif
>
> [Keith] keith@dornseif.net
>
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| Subject: | Re: The Tuttercup |
Keith,
Witt also said that he figured he would lose about 7 mph and if it turned out
more he would scrap the idea . The TW wing is almost perfect just the way it
is . When I was first building my TW I had some different thoughts and Jim C
told me " Stick to the plans" so I did ....................Thanks Jim !!!!
Earl
----- Original Message -----
From: Keith Imel
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 1:08 AM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: The Tuttercup
Earl,
I certainly respect Witts opinion on the twisting moment. Still, a leading
edge flap on a W10 is a tempting thought. A wonder if the wing could be stiffened
without adding to much weight? How about facing all ribs with 1/16 ply and
covering wing with 1/8 45 degree birch plywood. Then instead of fiberglass
over the wing maybe use carbon fiber cloth?? Just ideas, maybe some of the other
guys could give us their thoughts.
Keith
----- Original Message -----
From: Earl Luce
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 3:59 PM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: The Tuttercup
Keith,
If you try to make a leading edge flap for the TW the problem is the twisting
moment without a rear strut .That is right from Witt himself .
Earl
----- Original Message -----
From: Keith Imel
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 1:46 AM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: The Tuttercup
I have thought that a W10 with the leading edge flaps would have an even
better speed range. Maybe a hidden hinge could be developed for them. Key would
be to keep the weight down.
Keith
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry H
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 9:28 PM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: The Tuttercup
Since the front is Buttercup and rear is Tailwind, then just call it Butterwind
! Maybe it will go faster all buttered up like that ! :)
Larry H.
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From: Dennis Flamini
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: The Tuttercup
Joe,
Why not Tailcup, Butterwing?
Dennis Flamini N564DF race #53 Chicago
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From: Joe Maj
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: The Tuttercup
That's the horizontal stab? I checked the dimensions- they're pretty
close as is.
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From: Earl Luce
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 8:17 PM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: The Tuttercup
Remember to increase the stab over the W-10 .
Earl
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Maj
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 7:03 PM
Subject: Tailwind-List: The Tuttercup
I'm firming up the plan for my project. I've decided to hybridize
the Buttercup and the Tailwind, hence the Tuttercup.
The wing and fuselage from firewall to the seats, will be Buttercup,
aft , W-10 including the empennage. The plane will be a tri-gear. Fuselage
width will be 42". While my research indicates the leading edge flap may be
only marginally beneficial, I'll use it anyway.
I'm looking at substituting aluminum for steel wherever feasible
- flaps, ailerons, horizontal stabilizer, flippers, rudder, control system components
- to save weight.
Joe Maj
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Keith" <keithdornseif@comcast.net>
Well I got the fuselage painted today. I still have all the small parts to
do yet.
It wasn't as easy as I thought it would be. The first challenge was getting
the plastic shipping ring of the paint bucket. Then after about an hour your
arm gets mighty tired holding up the spray gun.
I'm not real happy with the results. I've got a lot of drips. I messed
around with the gun setting and adjusted the amount of reducer but still had
problems. Is there a trick to getting the paint on the tube nice and even
with no drips? I'm using the Poly Fiber products.
Thanks,
Keith Dornseif
keith@dornseif.net
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From: owner-tailwind-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-tailwind-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth
Graves
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: The Tuttercup
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Kenneth Graves <kbgraves@yahoo.com>
Do not hand paint. It took me 14 hours to do all
tubing and the Job is not one I'm particularly proud
of. An old time A&P said he did them all by hand said
spraying wasted to much paint, so I did . What a
mistake. I would have gladly paid the extra bucks for
a nice smooth job.
Ken
--- Keith Imel <keithimel@alaska.net> wrote:
> The fuselage should be primed and painted right away
> after sand blasting before any rust has a chance to
> form. Wipe it down with reducer and clean rags to
> remove any remaining dust and prime with epoxy
> primer. It will stick very well to the sand blasted
> surface. I use a small touch up gun to reduce
> overspray. Then follow with epoxy paint. My opinion
> is that this is better than powder coating. Cheaper
> to!
> Keith
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Keith
> To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 1:34 PM
> Subject: RE: Tailwind-List: The Tuttercup
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Keith] I have a question. After the fuselage
> has been sand blasted, should it be sanded down
> before paint? Or does the paint adhere to the
> rougher surface better.
>
>
>
> [Keith] Keith Dornseif
>
> [Keith] keith@dornseif.net
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Dave Conrad <dconrad@dwave.net>
practice practice practice.
One very light tack coat followed by a heavier coat, when that's tacky
give it one more coat. Then wait till a few humid dayscome and you'll
see rust stripes where you missed. Moral, Painting takes time and
practice. Dave
On Sunday, September 19, 2004, at 09:32 PM, Keith wrote:
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Keith"
> <keithdornseif@comcast.net>
>
> Well I got the fuselage painted today. I still have all the small
> parts to
> do yet.
>
> It wasn't as easy as I thought it would be. The first challenge was
> getting
> the plastic shipping ring of the paint bucket. Then after about an
> hour your
> arm gets mighty tired holding up the spray gun.
>
> I'm not real happy with the results. I've got a lot of drips. I messed
> around with the gun setting and adjusted the amount of reducer but
> still had
> problems. Is there a trick to getting the paint on the tube nice and
> even
> with no drips? I'm using the Poly Fiber products.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Keith Dornseif
> keith@dornseif.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-tailwind-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-tailwind-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth
> Graves
> Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 6:24 PM
> To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: The Tuttercup
>
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Kenneth Graves
> <kbgraves@yahoo.com>
>
> Do not hand paint. It took me 14 hours to do all
> tubing and the Job is not one I'm particularly proud
> of. An old time A&P said he did them all by hand said
> spraying wasted to much paint, so I did . What a
> mistake. I would have gladly paid the extra bucks for
> a nice smooth job.
> Ken
> --- Keith Imel <keithimel@alaska.net> wrote:
>
>> The fuselage should be primed and painted right away
>> after sand blasting before any rust has a chance to
>> form. Wipe it down with reducer and clean rags to
>> remove any remaining dust and prime with epoxy
>> primer. It will stick very well to the sand blasted
>> surface. I use a small touch up gun to reduce
>> overspray. Then follow with epoxy paint. My opinion
>> is that this is better than powder coating. Cheaper
>> to!
>> Keith
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Keith
>> To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 1:34 PM
>> Subject: RE: Tailwind-List: The Tuttercup
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> [Keith] I have a question. After the fuselage
>> has been sand blasted, should it be sanded down
>> before paint? Or does the paint adhere to the
>> rougher surface better.
>>
>>
>>
>> [Keith] Keith Dornseif
>>
>> [Keith] keith@dornseif.net
>>
>
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "John Downing" <frmrjohn@netonecom.net>
Kieth; Get a large piece of cardboard. Make the spray pattern small at 8
inches. Make a few passes on the cardboard untill you can get a handle on
the travel speed. It is more art than science. Practice, practice. sorry,
nothing else works. Don't check mine too close, as I'm still practicing.
JohnD
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