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1. 06:07 AM - Re: Saturday Fly-in at Lovelace International (Stephen Doughty)
2. 06:09 AM - Re: Saturday Fly-in at Lovelace International (Stephen Doughty)
3. 06:41 AM - Sat. fly In (james wright)
4. 06:49 AM - Re: (Subject was Copperstate.) then Fresno flyin, now "Indian Hills" (DaveM)
5. 06:59 AM - Re: O-O 10-9-04 (DaveM)
6. 08:27 AM - Re: N540CJ (DaveM)
7. 08:27 AM - Fw: [TailwindForum] New Tailwind Owner (DaveM)
8. 10:07 AM - Re: [TailwindForum] Saturday Fly-in at Lovelace International (flamini2)
9. 10:55 AM - Re: Re: [TailwindForum] Saturday Fly-in at Lovelac (Malcolm.Lovelace@coopertools.com)
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| Subject: | Saturday Fly-in at Lovelace International |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Stephen Doughty" <usaviator1@hotmail.com>
Malcolm, thanks a bunch for a great flyin! You have a really cool place
there and thanks for letting us bring our old Cherokee in to your airport.
You are welcome up to our place anytime, we are only 2 miles from 88G where
we are hangared.
Thanks again, we really enjoyed the day.
Steve -in Michigan
>From: "Lovelace" <mlovelace@woh.rr.com>
>Reply-To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
>To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Tailwind-List: Saturday Fly-in at Lovelace International
>Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 18:14:41 -0400
>
>--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Lovelace" <mlovelace@woh.rr.com>
>
>It was a great day for a fly-in, the weather was a little iffy this morning
>with about 10 minutes of rain about 9:00 am. After the rain cleared the
>Tailwinds started coming in and by lunch time we had 9 airplanes including
>mine. Thanks to Richard Jamieson for cooking breakfast and Lori Doughty for
>cooking lunch. This was the first fly-in at my place and we will do it
>again
>next year. Listed below are the people that attended and what they were
>flying or driving. Thanks to everyone for attending, this is what makes
>Tailwinding so fun.
>
>Malcolm
>
>Jim McCulley, Warrenton Va. Tailwind N-5566
>Steve & Lori Doughty, Petersburg MI. Cherokee 180
>Bill Bernard, Springfield, Ill. Tailwind N40B
>Jim Wright, Markleville, In. Hatz 14059
>Danny Doolin, Bowling Green, Ky. Chevy P.U.
>Mike Caplinger, Pt. Pleasant, WV. Tailwind N830Z
>Dick Alkire, Dayton, OH. Areonca L-3B
>Ron Hale, Springfield, OH. building Hatz & Tailwind
>Richard Jamieson, Richland, MI. 88 Volvo &
>V8 Tailwind
>Bruce Butts, Dublin, OH. 02 Honda & building a TW
>Dennis Flamini, Frankfort, ILL. Tailwind N564 DF #53
>Dick Brown, Springfield, OH. 94 Astro & building a TW
>Brian Alley, Hurricane, WV. Tailwind N320 WT
>Ben Austerman, Casstown, OH Mill Hog & building TW
>Tony Stevens, Springfield, OH. building BD-4 & TW
>
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| Subject: | Re: Saturday Fly-in at Lovelace International |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Stephen Doughty" <usaviator1@hotmail.com>
Dick, it was really nice to have met you. I will pass the compliment on to
Lori. :)
Steve -in Michigan
>From: "Richard Brown" <dicknginni@erinet.com>
>Reply-To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
>To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Saturday Fly-in at Lovelace International
>Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 10:51:43 -0500
>
>--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Richard Brown"
><dicknginni@erinet.com>
>
>THANKS Malcolm! I had a great time Saturday..I haven't been to a fly-in in
>years! I really enjoyed putting faces to some of the folks I've been
>reading
>about. What a great bunch!! Congrats to all who attended, and thanks for
>some great video and conversation. Lori..the apple cake was excellent!!
>Hope
>to see you all again next time! Best Regards, Dick Brown TW (someday)
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Lovelace" <mlovelace@woh.rr.com>
>To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 5:14 PM
>Subject: Tailwind-List: Saturday Fly-in at Lovelace International
>
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> > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Lovelace" <mlovelace@woh.rr.com>
> >
> > It was a great day for a fly-in, the weather was a little iffy this
>morning
> > with about 10 minutes of rain about 9:00 am. After the rain cleared the
> > Tailwinds started coming in and by lunch time we had 9 airplanes
>including
> > mine. Thanks to Richard Jamieson for cooking breakfast and Lori Doughty
>for
> > cooking lunch. This was the first fly-in at my place and we will do it
>again
> > next year. Listed below are the people that attended and what they were
> > flying or driving. Thanks to everyone for attending, this is what makes
> > Tailwinding so fun.
> >
> > Malcolm
> >
> > Jim McCulley, Warrenton Va. Tailwind N-5566
> > Steve & Lori Doughty, Petersburg MI. Cherokee 180
> > Bill Bernard, Springfield, Ill. Tailwind N40B
> > Jim Wright, Markleville, In. Hatz 14059
> > Danny Doolin, Bowling Green, Ky. Chevy P.U.
> > Mike Caplinger, Pt. Pleasant, WV. Tailwind N830Z
> > Dick Alkire, Dayton, OH. Areonca L-3B
> > Ron Hale, Springfield, OH. building Hatz & Tailwind
> > Richard Jamieson, Richland, MI. 88 Volvo &
> > V8 Tailwind
> > Bruce Butts, Dublin, OH. 02 Honda & building a TW
> > Dennis Flamini, Frankfort, ILL. Tailwind N564 DF #53
> > Dick Brown, Springfield, OH. 94 Astro & building a TW
> > Brian Alley, Hurricane, WV. Tailwind N320 WT
> > Ben Austerman, Casstown, OH Mill Hog & building TW
> > Tony Stevens, Springfield, OH. building BD-4 & TW
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Is Malcom the best host or the best craftsman in Ohio? hard to tell I will have
to come back to decide if he will have us.
Thanks to Dennis for the ride, Dennis next time I let you try the Hatz on!
Jim Wright
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| Subject: | Re: (Subject was Copperstate.) then Fresno flyin, now "Indian |
Hills"
George:
Let me know when the gathering at Indian Hills will be--I would like to try to
make it down, if the clouds and fog in the winter in the central valley will let
me out!
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: George Turner
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 8:16 PM
Subject: Tailwind-List: (Subject was Copperstate.)Fresno flyin
I am sending this duplicate message to encourage all of us to change the subject
line on our replies when appropriate, as the other of this message subject
was Copperstate. I should have changed it. Let us all try to change subject
lines when needed.
George Turner <tailwind222@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dave: Thanks for the invite, but I do not plan to go, although it will be
better than Copperstate because of having more Tailwinds.
Look forward to seeing you at Indian Hills flyin this winter at Clements
Winter Resort.
Salome Arizona.
George.....Phoenix
Do not archive
DaveM <dmagaw@att.net> wrote:
George:
Are you going to be able to make the Tailwind flyin next Saturday (16th)
at Chandler field Fresno? It may not be a spectacular as Cooperstate, but would
be good to see you there.
__________________________________________________
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Looking Great Rick. I really think the O&O could be a popular plane when you get
it tested out. I still don't know how you keep your garage so clean however--that
plane must just build itself and you spend your time cleaning up after
it!!
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick
To: Tailwind Discussion
Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 3:58 PM
Subject: Tailwind-List: O-O 10-9-04
Is this butch or what?!
Rick
N241SW
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Well if you want an opinion here it is. I prefer a U shaped stick which goes under
the leg (or 1/2 of the U just for the pilot.). Personally I like holding
the stick with the left hand, leaving the right for throttle, radios, GPS, etc.
I also fly a pitts, which is set up for right hand on stick, and I have no
problem changing hands. Duel L/R throttles is just more complexity also.
The over-the-leg stick per the tailwind plans has one advantage in that it can
be easily used by either person in the cockpit, but it does not intrude into the
passenger area typically. With a center throttle, the passenger can easily
fly the plane. The under-the-leg U stick is a little more difficult for cockpit
entry and exit as it tends to be in the way. The T stick can be moved out
of the way easier for entry and exit. The main thing I don't like about the
Wittman T stick is that I have to move my right leg out of the way for some turns
and slips.
Unless you really think you will need a heated pitot tube, the simple one shown
on the plans works very well, and is a very tidy (drag free) set up.
All the tailwinds I have flown, and most I have seen have the brakes and rudder
pedals pretty much to plans--and they work well. I personally do not see much
need for right brakes because tailwinds are not normally used for training purposes.
Jim Clement uses the same plywood used on the wings as floor panels in cockpit
and baggage area I think, and the plastic corrogated sign material for side rear
panels for the doors and baggage areas. All covered with carpet material or
upholstery headliner type material as appropriate. Works well and is light
weight. On my W-8 I used aluminum floorboards, with lots of lightening holes,
then carpeted--very light also.
Dave
----- Original Message -
----
From: CJ Kirby Memphis Tailwind
To: Tailwind List
Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 2:04 AM
Subject: Tailwind-List: N540CJ
We have finished tacking the fuse. I like working with wood much better! Skip
has really become proficient with the TIG welder. We started on the tail feathers
today. Hope to have them done next week.
We have been thinking about the control stick. Does anyone have thoughts on using
a single center stick, with dual throttles on the L/R? We plan on using a
CS prop. Looks like a Whirlwind 151 composite. 28lbs! Wow that's light. We love
the Whirlwind prop Skip has on his Pitts. Whirlwind is one of our sponsors,
and we get questions, and remarks about the prop at every airshow. I cant say
enough about the quality, and a 3 blade white Whirlwind will look great with
the design of our TW.
Also, has anyone flown the TW with one or more of the doors removed? (At low
speeds of course). I ask because we will be using it as a photo ship, and hope
to remove the right door for the photographers to get air to air photos of Skip
performing aerobatics. I guess we will find out if it works in a few months.
Does anyone have a heated Piper style bladed pitot tube laying around for sale?
What is the best/lightest/strongest material to use for flooring in the cabin,
and baggage compartment? Has any one used a dual toe brake set-up, and are there
any concerns?
Thanks for reading and replying to this long email. I waited until the weekend
so I could get some of you guys out of some HoneyDos.
CJ Kirby
memphistailwind@bellsouth.net
N540CJ
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| Subject: | Fw: [TailwindForum] New Tailwind Owner |
----- Original Message -----
From: upsidedownflyboy
Subject: [TailwindForum] New Tailwind Owner
Hello all, I am going to pick up my partially completed TailWind W-10
next weekend. I have searched the net for all the information I
could find, but cannot find any stress numbers other than the initial
test where Mr. Wittman load the first five planes to gross and pulled
4 positive G's. Has anyone done a stress analysis? Anyone know what
the +/- limits are? I have seen in posting where some people are
known to roll their TailWinds, but have also seen that spins are not
recommended. I haven't flown a TailWind yet, but the specs seem
pretty impressive. Mine will mainly be used for commuting around 150
miles on the weekends, to pick up my daughter who doesn't live with
me, but I was wondering if the plane would be strong enough for mild
aerobatics. Say flying solo, at low weight, for barrel rolls, a loop
maybe, a split s with an entry speed just above stall??? If anyone
out there love to turn the world upside down like I do, please let me
know your experiences in the TailWind.
Thanks,
Scott
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| Subject: | Re: [TailwindForum] Saturday Fly-in at Lovelace International |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "flamini2" <flamini2@comcast.net>
Malcolm,
Your Tailwind really impressed me with the takeoff from your grass strip
with passenger Lori.
If you have not already posted, how about some info on engine, prop,
weights, etc.
Looks like you could not do better with your next 3 Tailwinds, keep us
posted.
Also Jim and Bill and others, did you check fuel used when you got home?
Mine was 500nm and 30.6 gals in a real world lots of takeoffs and fly-bys
Tailwind world.
Dennis Flamini N564DF race #53 Chicago
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Doughty" <USAviator1@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [TailwindForum] Saturday Fly-in at Lovelace International
>
> Malcolm, I almost forgot, thank you also for giving Lori the Tailwind
> experience. Now she knows why I am building one! She said your Tailwind
is
> a sports car compared to our Cherokee, go figure. :)
>
> Steve -in Michigan
>
> >From: "Lovelace" <mlovelace@woh.rr.com>
> >Reply-To: TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com
> >To: <TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com>
> >Subject: [TailwindForum] Saturday Fly-in at Lovelace International
> >Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 18:18:18 -0400
> >
> >It was a great day for a fly-in, the weather was a little iffy this
morning
> >with about 10 minutes of rain about 9:00 am. After the rain cleared the
> >Tailwinds started coming in and by lunch time we had 9 airplanes
including
> >mine. Thanks to Richard Jamieson for cooking breakfast and Lori Doughty
for
> >cooking lunch. This was the first fly-in at my place and we will do it
> >again
> >next year. Listed below are the people that attended and what they were
> >flying or driving. Thanks to everyone for attending, this is what makes
> >Tailwinding so fun.
> >
> >Malcolm
> >
> >Jim McCulley, Warrenton Va. Tailwind N-5566
> >Steve & Lori Doughty, Petersburg MI. Cherokee 180
> >Bill Bernard, Springfield, Ill. Tailwind N40B
> >Jim Wright, Markleville, In. Hatz 14059
> >Danny Doolin, Bowling Green, Ky. Chevy P.U.
> >Mike Caplinger, Pt. Pleasant, WV. Tailwind N830Z
> >Dick Alkire, Dayton, OH. Areonca L-3B
> >Ron Hale, Springfield, OH. building Hatz & Tailwind
> >Richard Jamieson, Richland, MI. 88 Volvo &
> >V8 Tailwind
> >Bruce Butts, Dublin, OH. 02 Honda & building a TW
> >Dennis Flamini, Frankfort, ILL. Tailwind N564 DF #53
> >Dick Brown, Springfield, OH. 94 Astro & building a TW
> >Brian Alley, Hurricane, WV. Tailwind N320 WT
> >Ben Austerman, Casstown, OH Mill Hog & building TW
> >Tony Stevens, Springfield, OH. building BD-4 & TW
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: [TailwindForum] Saturday Fly-in at Lovelac |
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Malcolm.Lovelace@CooperTools.com
Dennis, the empty weight is 885#, O-320 160 HP, Sterba 68x74. Saturday on
take off I only had 12 gallons of gas in the tank so that helped some plus I
know what bumps to hit to get off the ground quick. The 3 TW I am working on
will be taildraggers and hopefully be 30 to 40 lbs. lighter. I plan to do
some long distance traveling in the new one and am considering putting in an
aux. tank.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: flamini2 [SMTP:flamini2@comcast.net]
> Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 1:10 PM
> To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Tailwind-List: Re: [TailwindForum] Saturday Fly-in at
> Lovelace International
>
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "flamini2" <flamini2@comcast.net>
>
> Malcolm,
> Your Tailwind really impressed me with the takeoff from your grass strip
> with passenger Lori.
> If you have not already posted, how about some info on engine, prop,
> weights, etc.
> Looks like you could not do better with your next 3 Tailwinds, keep us
> posted.
>
> Also Jim and Bill and others, did you check fuel used when you got home?
> Mine was 500nm and 30.6 gals in a real world lots of takeoffs and fly-bys
> Tailwind world.
>
> Dennis Flamini N564DF race #53 Chicago
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stephen Doughty" <USAviator1@hotmail.com>
> To: <TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 8:28 AM
> Subject: RE: [TailwindForum] Saturday Fly-in at Lovelace International
>
>
> >
> > Malcolm, I almost forgot, thank you also for giving Lori the Tailwind
> > experience. Now she knows why I am building one! She said your
> Tailwind
> is
> > a sports car compared to our Cherokee, go figure. :)
> >
> > Steve -in Michigan
> >
> > >From: "Lovelace" <mlovelace@woh.rr.com>
> > >Reply-To: TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: <TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com>
> > >Subject: [TailwindForum] Saturday Fly-in at Lovelace International
> > >Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 18:18:18 -0400
> > >
> > >It was a great day for a fly-in, the weather was a little iffy this
> morning
> > >with about 10 minutes of rain about 9:00 am. After the rain cleared the
> > >Tailwinds started coming in and by lunch time we had 9 airplanes
> including
> > >mine. Thanks to Richard Jamieson for cooking breakfast and Lori Doughty
> for
> > >cooking lunch. This was the first fly-in at my place and we will do it
> > >again
> > >next year. Listed below are the people that attended and what they were
> > >flying or driving. Thanks to everyone for attending, this is what makes
> > >Tailwinding so fun.
> > >
> > >Malcolm
> > >
> > >Jim McCulley, Warrenton Va. Tailwind N-5566
> > >Steve & Lori Doughty, Petersburg MI. Cherokee 180
> > >Bill Bernard, Springfield, Ill. Tailwind N40B
> > >Jim Wright, Markleville, In. Hatz 14059
> > >Danny Doolin, Bowling Green, Ky. Chevy P.U.
> > >Mike Caplinger, Pt. Pleasant, WV. Tailwind N830Z
> > >Dick Alkire, Dayton, OH. Areonca L-3B
> > >Ron Hale, Springfield, OH. building Hatz & Tailwind
> > >Richard Jamieson, Richland, MI. 88 Volvo &
> > >V8 Tailwind
> > >Bruce Butts, Dublin, OH. 02 Honda & building a TW
> > >Dennis Flamini, Frankfort, ILL. Tailwind N564 DF #53
> > >Dick Brown, Springfield, OH. 94 Astro & building a TW
> > >Brian Alley, Hurricane, WV. Tailwind N320 WT
> > >Ben Austerman, Casstown, OH Mill Hog & building TW
> > >Tony Stevens, Springfield, OH. building BD-4 & TW
> > >
> > >
> >
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> >
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> >
> >
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