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1. 12:48 AM - Re: Exhaust outlets (Rich Ellis)
2. 01:33 AM - Re: alternator (Rich Ellis)
3. 05:40 AM - Re: Propellers Again (IslPilot@aol.com)
4. 06:12 AM - Re: Propellers Again (Jim and Donna Clement)
5. 07:12 AM - Re: Propellers Again (Lovelace)
6. 08:17 AM - Re: alternator (Fred Weaver)
7. 08:18 AM - Re: Propellers Again (Fred Weaver)
8. 08:28 AM - Re: Propellers Again (Fred Weaver)
9. 11:44 AM - Re: Propellers Again (IslPilot@aol.com)
10. 04:18 PM - Re: Propellers Again (Brian Alley)
11. 04:38 PM - Re: Propellers Again (Jim and Donna Clement)
12. 06:14 PM - Re: Propellers Again (IslPilot@aol.com)
13. 06:18 PM - Re: Propellers Again (IslPilot@aol.com)
14. 06:58 PM - Re: Propellers Again (Dave Conrad)
15. 07:08 PM - Re: Propellers Again (Brian Alley)
16. 07:17 PM - Re: Propellers Again (Jim and Donna Clement)
17. 08:46 PM - Re: Propellers Again (Fred Weaver)
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Rich Ellis <rjrellis@yahoo.com>
Jim .......... Spoke with Ray Peterson the other nite
at La Crosse as he spoke on Aircraft Safety. He
indicated he spoke with you the other day while in
Baraboo. Sounds like your Tailwind is coming along.
Haven't had time to do much on my Tailwind but trying
to decide on materials for the wings and get my other
out soon. Will need a project this winter. rich
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> No, not yet. I want to have it in flying condition
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Jim ........ Found the following information for the
Suzuki Samurai Alternatior:
http://www.f1-rocketboy.com/alternator.htm
Nice little article by the F1 boys. Rich
--- Jim and Donna Clement <168x@merr.com> wrote:
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> core charge alone is
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> better than the Honda like I used on your TW. Jim
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> Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 8:38 PM
> Subject: RE: Tailwind-List: Emailing: TW Engine 014,
> TW Engine 007, TW
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Gundersen Lutheran Health System
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Norma J. Vinger Center for Breast Care
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| Subject: | Re: Propellers Again |
With the mods that I have made last winter; new crossover exhaust, LSE plasma
III, New airbox, better streamlined gear and wheel fairings, reduced weight
by 28 lbs and fresh topcoat of paint. I am now turning an additional 200+ rpm
static. Static was 2200 before and now I am slightly over 2400 with my 6872
Sterba. I am getting excited, before with two people I was cruising at 185 and
could just hit 200 full throttle at 2700.
My guess, now is that I need more pitch and a new propeller. Should have the
test flight this coming week.
You experts, any rules of thumb for pitch, on a conventional plane I have
always figured about 4" of pitch changed the rpm approximately 50 rpm. That
doesn't make sense with most Tailwinds running a 6872 or 6874 prop. I am assuming
that I still want around 2200 rpm static so that at full throttle I will be
at 27-2900 for max speed in cruise.
How do I contact Sterba for another propeller? Or to rework this one.
Other propeller woodartists out there that you have been satisfied with?
Paul
Charlevoix, MI
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| Subject: | Re: Propellers Again |
Paul, Sounds like you picked up some horsepower in the engine. I like to see at
least 2300rpm static for a start and 2750 - 2800 full throttle @ 2500'. Fly it
and see what it does. Changing the pitch on a wood prop, it is easier to pick
up rpm than to get rid of it. Depends how much wood you have to work with. Ed
Sterba 941 778 3103
Jim C
----- Original Message -----
From: IslPilot@aol.com
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 7:39 AM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Propellers Again
With the mods that I have made last winter; new crossover exhaust, LSE plasma
III, New airbox, better streamlined gear and wheel fairings, reduced weight by
28 lbs and fresh topcoat of paint. I am now turning an additional 200+ rpm
static. Static was 2200 before and now I am slightly over 2400 with my 6872 Sterba.
I am getting excited, before with two people I was cruising at 185 and
could just hit 200 full throttle at 2700.
My guess, now is that I need more pitch and a new propeller. Should have the
test flight this coming week.
You experts, any rules of thumb for pitch, on a conventional plane I have always
figured about 4" of pitch changed the rpm approximately 50 rpm. That doesn't
make sense with most Tailwinds running a 6872 or 6874 prop. I am assuming
that I still want around 2200 rpm static so that at full throttle I will be at
27-2900 for max speed in cruise.
How do I contact Sterba for another propeller? Or to rework this one.
Other propeller woodartists out there that you have been satisfied with?
Paul
Charlevoix, MI
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| Subject: | Re: Propellers Again |
Paul,
I flew yesterday and got 2500 static run up and 2900 full throttle. When it is
hot static is 2400 and 2800 full throttle. My prop is a Sterba a 68x74, it works
fine because of my short field. If I was on a longer paved runway I would like
to have a 68x76. I think you could use more pitch if you had a narrower and
thinner blade. I think Cato is your best bet for this type of prop but the cost
is twice the cost of a Sterba. Sterba told me he can put in about 2" of pitch.
So like Jim said fly it first then decide what you need.
Malcolm
----- Original Message -----
From: IslPilot@aol.com
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 8:39 AM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Propellers Again
With the mods that I have made last winter; new crossover exhaust, LSE plasma
III, New airbox, better streamlined gear and wheel fairings, reduced weight by
28 lbs and fresh topcoat of paint. I am now turning an additional 200+ rpm
static. Static was 2200 before and now I am slightly over 2400 with my 6872 Sterba.
I am getting excited, before with two people I was cruising at 185 and
could just hit 200 full throttle at 2700.
My guess, now is that I need more pitch and a new propeller. Should have the
test flight this coming week.
You experts, any rules of thumb for pitch, on a conventional plane I have always
figured about 4" of pitch changed the rpm approximately 50 rpm. That doesn't
make sense with most Tailwinds running a 6872 or 6874 prop. I am assuming
that I still want around 2200 rpm static so that at full throttle I will be at
27-2900 for max speed in cruise.
How do I contact Sterba for another propeller? Or to rework this one.
Other propeller woodartists out there that you have been satisfied with?
Paul
Charlevoix, MI
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver" <Mytyweav@earthlink.net>
Thanks Rich..... This is a very good source of information and a fine
article about the alternator solution.
Weav
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rich Ellis" <rjrellis@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: alternator
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Rich Ellis <rjrellis@yahoo.com>
>
> Jim ........ Found the following information for the
> Suzuki Samurai Alternatior:
>
> http://www.f1-rocketboy.com/alternator.htm
>
> Nice little article by the F1 boys. Rich
>
> --- Jim and Donna Clement <168x@merr.com> wrote:
>
> > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Jim and Donna
> > Clement" <168x@merr.com>
> >
> > The alternator is a Suzuki Samurai, same as Spruce
> > sells for $400+.
> > I bought two of them for less than $50 each on eBay,
> > core charge alone is
> > $80 at the parts store. Have used them before and
> > are trouble free, much
> > better than the Honda like I used on your TW. Jim
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <mytyweav@earthlink.net>
> > To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 8:38 PM
> > Subject: RE: Tailwind-List: Emailing: TW Engine 014,
> > TW Engine 007, TW
> > Engine 008, TW Engine 012
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> > "mytyweav@earthlink.net"
> > > <mytyweav@earthlink.net>
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> > > Holy Cow.... The exhaust pipes look GREAT! Then
> > the Baffling looks superb
> > > also.... But man, you have to LOVE THAT
> > ALTERNATOR!...
> > > :)
> > > Weav
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> Gundersen Lutheran Health System
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> 1900 South Avenue
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| Subject: | Re: Propellers Again |
Rework the prop you have..... Most prop guys can carve more pitch into it and
thin the blades. Then glass it up for superior strength and stiffness. Saves you
some money and gives your prop a second chance...
Weav
----- Original Message -----
From: IslPilot@aol.com
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 5:39 AM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Propellers Again
With the mods that I have made last winter; new crossover exhaust, LSE plasma
III, New airbox, better streamlined gear and wheel fairings, reduced weight by
28 lbs and fresh topcoat of paint. I am now turning an additional 200+ rpm
static. Static was 2200 before and now I am slightly over 2400 with my 6872 Sterba.
I am getting excited, before with two people I was cruising at 185 and
could just hit 200 full throttle at 2700.
My guess, now is that I need more pitch and a new propeller. Should have the
test flight this coming week.
You experts, any rules of thumb for pitch, on a conventional plane I have always
figured about 4" of pitch changed the rpm approximately 50 rpm. That doesn't
make sense with most Tailwinds running a 6872 or 6874 prop. I am assuming
that I still want around 2200 rpm static so that at full throttle I will be at
27-2900 for max speed in cruise.
How do I contact Sterba for another propeller? Or to rework this one.
Other propeller woodartists out there that you have been satisfied with?
Paul
Charlevoix, MI
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| Subject: | Re: Propellers Again |
BTW.... I totally agree with Jim if you have to go a long ways.... But a couple
of inches of pitch can be reached probably with what you have. The props are
so THICK when you first get one, there is some meat to work with.
Good Luck,
Weav
----- Original Message -----
From: Fred Weaver
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Propellers Again
Rework the prop you have..... Most prop guys can carve more pitch into it and
thin the blades. Then glass it up for superior strength and stiffness. Saves
you some money and gives your prop a second chance...
Weav
----- Original Message -----
From: IslPilot@aol.com
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 5:39 AM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Propellers Again
With the mods that I have made last winter; new crossover exhaust, LSE plasma
III, New airbox, better streamlined gear and wheel fairings, reduced weight
by 28 lbs and fresh topcoat of paint. I am now turning an additional 200+ rpm
static. Static was 2200 before and now I am slightly over 2400 with my 6872
Sterba. I am getting excited, before with two people I was cruising at 185 and
could just hit 200 full throttle at 2700.
My guess, now is that I need more pitch and a new propeller. Should have the
test flight this coming week.
You experts, any rules of thumb for pitch, on a conventional plane I have always
figured about 4" of pitch changed the rpm approximately 50 rpm. That doesn't
make sense with most Tailwinds running a 6872 or 6874 prop. I am assuming
that I still want around 2200 rpm static so that at full throttle I will be
at 27-2900 for max speed in cruise.
How do I contact Sterba for another propeller? Or to rework this one.
Other propeller woodartists out there that you have been satisfied with?
Paul
Charlevoix, MI
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| Subject: | Re: Propellers Again |
Tnx for the insight. I wasn't sure they could carve more pitch in.
Malcolm, I'm not familiar with Cato propellers, where or how would I get more
info? I am all ready in the dog house with the wife anyway........what's one
more propeller?
Guess it all boils down to what she does in the air.
Just towed it to the hangar through our first snow squall. Nothing like
waiting till the poor wx hits to start flying! (and 1-3" on the way by morning)
Weav, I have my fingers crossed you won't need binoculars to see John Deere
yellow and green in your rear view mirror.
Paul
Charlevoix, MI
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| Subject: | Re: Propellers Again |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Brian Alley <n320wt@yahoo.com>
http://www.cattoprops.com/
=====
BRIAN ALLEY (N320WT)
CARBON FIBER COMPOSITES
304-872-7938 shop
304-562-6800 home
How are you going to win by a nose if you don't stick out your neck?
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| Subject: | Re: Propellers Again |
Paul, Fly the airplane first and get the numbers on what it does, you might not
be to far off. I would stick with Sterba as he would know just what needs to
be done to dial in your present prop or build a new one. Changing prop makers
is starting over from scratch. A 68-72 from one could be much different than
a 68-72 from another. Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: IslPilot@aol.com
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Propellers Again
Tnx for the insight. I wasn't sure they could carve more pitch in.
Malcolm, I'm not familiar with Cato propellers, where or how would I get more
info? I am all ready in the dog house with the wife anyway........what's one
more propeller?
Guess it all boils down to what she does in the air.
Just towed it to the hangar through our first snow squall. Nothing like waiting
till the poor wx hits to start flying! (and 1-3" on the way by morning)
Weav, I have my fingers crossed you won't need binoculars to see John Deere yellow
and green in your rear view mirror.
Paul
Charlevoix, MI
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| Subject: | Re: Propellers Again |
Tnx Brian for the web address for Catto.
Is this what you are running right now? If so, what is your experience so
far?
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| Subject: | Re: Propellers Again |
Tnx Jim. Hopefully tomorrow will be a slow day and we are going to
dynamically balance the prop and put the wings back on.
If your having the same wind we are here, could be a little blustery for an
initial test flight of the new setup.
Paul
Charlevoix, MI
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| Subject: | Re: Propellers Again |
Jim what brand of prop are you using on the new plane. As I recall you
guys used Felix props. What about them? Dave
On Sunday, November 7, 2004, at 06:35 PM, Jim and Donna Clement wrote:
> Paul, Fly the airplane first and get the numbers on what it does, you
> might not be to far off. I would stick with=A0 Sterba as he would know
> just what needs to be done to dial in your present prop or build=A0a new
> one. Changing prop makers is starting over from scratch. A 68-72 from
> one could be much different than a 68-72 from another.=A0 Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: IslPilot@aol.com
> To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 1:43 PM
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Propellers Again
>
> Tnx for the insight.=A0 I wasn't sure they could carve more pitch in.
>
> Malcolm, I'm not familiar with Cato propellers, where or how would I
> get more info?=A0 I am all ready in the dog house with the wife
> anyway........what's one more propeller?
>
> Guess it all boils down to what she does in the air.
>
> Just towed it to the hangar through our first snow squall.=A0 Nothing
> like waiting till the poor wx hits to start flying! (and 1-3" on the
> way by morning)
>
> Weav, I have my fingers crossed you won't need binoculars to see John
> Deere yellow and green in your rear view mirror.
>
> Paul
> Charlevoix, MI
>
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| Subject: | Re: Propellers Again |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Brian Alley <n320wt@yahoo.com>
I have a Sterba 68X74 on N320WT. It turns 2300 static
and and 2700 full throttle on a 150HP 0320. I usually
fly at 22" and 2550 RPM @ 155 MPH indicated. Climb at
110 is usuall 1100-1300. I'd like to have a Catto
prop, but want to upgrade to 160HP first.
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BRIAN ALLEY (N320WT)
CARBON FIBER COMPOSITES
304-872-7938 shop
304-562-6800 home
How are you going to win by a nose if you don't stick out your neck?
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| Subject: | Re: Propellers Again |
We have been using Felix props. He lived just 35 miles from us but is moving to
northern WI. I tried calling Ed Sterba earlier but it was during the Florida
hurricane deal and couldn't get thru to him. Both make decent props. Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Conrad
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 8:58 PM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Propellers Again
Jim what brand of prop are you using on the new plane. As I recall you guys used
Felix props. What about them? Dave
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver" <Mytyweav@earthlink.net>
Catto lives about 30 miles away from me..... Great guy and makes a good
prop. I had my prop completely stripped and cleaned up by Catto. He trued up
the blades so that both would have the same pitch distribution and
remachined the back face of the prop hub. Then completely reglassed and
refinished it.... I'm a happy customer.
Good Luck.
Weav
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Alley" <n320wt@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Propellers Again
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Brian Alley <n320wt@yahoo.com>
>
> I have a Sterba 68X74 on N320WT. It turns 2300 static
> and and 2700 full throttle on a 150HP 0320. I usually
> fly at 22" and 2550 RPM @ 155 MPH indicated. Climb at
> 110 is usuall 1100-1300. I'd like to have a Catto
> prop, but want to upgrade to 160HP first.
>
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> BRIAN ALLEY (N320WT)
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> 304-872-7938 shop
> 304-562-6800 home
>
> How are you going to win by a nose if you don't stick out your neck?
>
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