---------------------------------------------------------- Tailwind-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 01/20/05: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:15 AM - Re: Tailwind-List Digest: 11 Msgs - 01/19/05 (Thomas Barnes) 2. 04:54 AM - Re: super heater (Jim Clement) 3. 05:15 AM - Re: .....looking for TW close to SC..... (Robert Ardis) 4. 05:26 AM - Re: Shoulder Harness Mounts () 5. 08:15 AM - Re: super heater (Eric Schlanser) 6. 12:35 PM - Re: Shoulder Harness Mounts (David Lamphere) 7. 12:49 PM - Re: Shoulder Harness Mounts (Fred Weaver) 8. 01:29 PM - Re: Shoulder Harness Mounts () 9. 01:33 PM - Re: Shoulder Harness Mounts (Larry H.) 10. 04:46 PM - Re: super heater (Jim Clement) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:15:08 AM PST US Subject: Tailwind-List: Re: Tailwind-List Digest: 11 Msgs - 01/19/05 From: Thomas Barnes 01/20/2005 05:14:36 Hi Jerry in SC, I'm the current owner of Rick Crosslin's W10 (lots of pics of it during construction on the http://www.j-winddesigns.com/ site). I live in central NC near Pittsboro on the private grass airstrip Eagles Landing. Be glad to have you take a look at the pretty bird that Rick built if you are ever in the area. Just give me a call at 919-542-7590 beforehand.. Thanks, Thomas ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:54:05 AM PST US From: "Jim Clement" <168x@merr.com> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: super heater --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Jim Clement" <168x@merr.com> Jim, Donna and I left Baraboo for AZ several years ago when the temp was -23 below zero. I don't remember what altitude we flew at but most likely 8-10,000 feet. Inside temp was 60F. The biggest problem was getting of the ground before the windshield iced over on the inside. We had a small clear strip about 6" high along the bottom on TO and it disappeared rapidly and the frost spread all the way to the windows in the doors before it got better. A defroster setup would be a good idea or a 12V hair dryer. Jim C ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: super heater > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Mcculleyja@aol.com > > Jim, > > Your cabin heater is certainly clever and couldn't be simpler. Do you > have > any measured cabin temperatures versus outside air temps (OAT) at > altitudes of > 10 to 12 thousand when the OAT is zero F (or less) ? Just curious how > well > that size unit can handle prolonged cruise in such conditions. Based on > where > you live and how much you fly during the winter, I imagine you have plenty > of > experience to share on this subject. > > Jim > > > In a message dated 1/19/05 10:17:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, > 168x@merr.com > writes: > >> This is the heater, It is like a funnel wrapped around the exhaust pipe. >> This picture has a 2 1/2" hose but a 2" works also. It should not fit > tight >> on the small end, you want some air movement thru the funnel so the pipe >> doesn't get to hot. This is similar to what Steve Wittman used. The one >> in >> the picture is a little small but works good. If it is more forward to > take >> in the elbow area it will melt your tennis shoes. Usually take it off >> for >> the summer. Jim C >> > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:15:24 AM PST US From: "Robert Ardis" Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: .....looking for TW close to SC..... --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Robert Ardis" James C. Wiggins has, or has had a Tailwind. He lives in Leland, NC. >From: Kenneth Graves >Reply-To: tailwind-list@matronics.com >To: tailwind-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: .....looking for TW close to SC..... >Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:38:38 -0800 (PST) > >There is a W-9 in the Airport at Huntersville, N.C. I believe Jim Stanton >Has Name and address. >Ken >Jerry Mahurin wrote:--> Tailwind-List message >posted by: Jerry Mahurin > >Greetings, > >I am an old retreaded airplane builder/flyer looking for a Tailwind to >visit with. I live in central SC and the closest offer I have had so >far is in WV (400 miles)...... Is there anyone any closer....?? >-- >Jerry L. Mahurin >Lugoff, SC > > >__________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:26:06 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Shoulder Harness Mounts Dave, I am thinking of welding an attach point to the 3/8 tube in the baggage area at a point the same distance off center of the fuselage as the pilot's neck. On the rear of that same clip I am going to have a whole drilled for an attach-point for an aircraft cable and run that back to the next station which will have a gusset welded in for the other end of the cable to attach to. It's a little extra work, but a minimum amount of weight, and it keeps the "Y" type harness directly behind the pilot. Same has to be done for the pass. seat...Pat Mc. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Lamphere To: tailwind-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 11:34 AM Subject: Tailwind-List: Shoulder Harness Mounts Current Virginia weather... temp 20 F, 1 inch of snow, overcast, some wind.. I've got the kerosun heater running out in the shop, shop temp about 65 F... not too bad! Have a question for you guys.. Where/how did you attach the shoulder harness mounts??? The harnesses I have use a single mount. I notice in the Clement photos, Jim welded the mounting plate/straps in the outside corners of the rear baggage bulkhead.. This puts an angle off of center for these (instead of coming straight back).. is this where everyone else attached them?? Any problems with this approach?? I know there will need to be some kind of brace/diag tube welded in if I try to bring these shoulder straps straight back to a mounting point. Anyone do this?? Thanks, Dave ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:15:27 AM PST US s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=56DcnjXMAGC3bvToH1cmaSQYmsV7jzSPhs6nxOKpdETN0f4vJJKf5JVSGZ0Xk6f6/79LGMLLrr/ANXQ5/iLiZIiRlinsPOMxbhdF9vaCWHScX9W5dtdvVIBiIAFz68Zma1g+zwUShTeYJnpokJNRuzrV3jFv5MT0e0mJtjZUNyE= ; From: Eric Schlanser Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: super heater Jim, What is the mechanism on the firewall/cabin end of the 2 1/2" hose? Thanks, Eric Jim Clement <168x@merr.com> wrote: This is the heater, It is like a funnel wrapped around the exhaust pipe. This picture has a 2 1/2" hose but a 2" works also. It should not fit tight on the small end, you want some air movement thru the funnel so the pipe doesn't get to hot. This is similar to what Steve Wittman used. The one in the picture is a little small but works good. If it is more forward to take in the elbow area it will melt your tennis shoes. Usually take it off for the summer. Jim C > ATTACHMENT part 2 image/jpeg name=P1004341.jpg --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:35:33 PM PST US From: "David Lamphere" Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Shoulder Harness Mounts Pat, I just got in from the shop. Welded in the belt mounts. I went with Jim Clement's info he wrote and went to the corners of the rear baggage bulkhead. I used a .062 x 1.00 x 4.50 strap for each corner. Tacked them in place where they were lined up with the center of the seats, formed the rear ends 90 deg. around the crosstube and welded. If Jim says it works fine, I believe him. It is so nice to get input from such an experienced Tailwind builder! Thanks Jim! Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: patmc2002@sbcglobal.net To: tailwind-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 8:23 AM Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Shoulder Harness Mounts Dave, I am thinking of welding an attach point to the 3/8 tube in the baggage area at a point the same distance off center of the fuselage as the pilot's neck. On the rear of that same clip I am going to have a whole drilled for an attach-point for an aircraft cable and run that back to the next station which will have a gusset welded in for the other end of the cable to attach to. It's a little extra work, but a minimum amount of weight, and it keeps the "Y" type harness directly behind the pilot. Same has to be done for the pass. seat...Pat Mc. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:49:01 PM PST US From: "Fred Weaver" Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Shoulder Harness Mounts Fellas...... Jim's input was right on the mark. You don't even know when you are wearing the shoulder restraints that they aren't perfectly on center with your spine. They will no doubt hold you in place if you ever have that "Sudden Stop".... Are we done with this thread???? Congrats to Dave for using good common sense.... Weav ----- Original Message ----- From: David Lamphere To: tailwind-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 12:36 PM Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Shoulder Harness Mounts Pat, I just got in from the shop. Welded in the belt mounts. I went with Jim Clement's info he wrote and went to the corners of the rear baggage bulkhead. I used a .062 x 1.00 x 4.50 strap for each corner. Tacked them in place where they were lined up with the center of the seats, formed the rear ends 90 deg. around the crosstube and welded. If Jim says it works fine, I believe him. It is so nice to get input from such an experienced Tailwind builder! Thanks Jim! Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: patmc2002@sbcglobal.net To: tailwind-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 8:23 AM Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Shoulder Harness Mounts Dave, I am thinking of welding an attach point to the 3/8 tube in the baggage area at a point the same distance off center of the fuselage as the pilot's neck. On the rear of that same clip I am going to have a whole drilled for an attach-point for an aircraft cable and run that back to the next station which will have a gusset welded in for the other end of the cable to attach to. It's a little extra work, but a minimum amount of weight, and it keeps the "Y" type harness directly behind the pilot. Same has to be done for the pass. seat...Pat Mc. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:29:09 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Shoulder Harness Mounts Dave, I wrote my reply before I read the rest of the e-mails and only after did I read Jim's reply. As you say if anyone should have the best way to do things odds are that Jim will have the simplest and probably the best way to go about it. I am going to do the same. KISS applies once again. Pat Mc. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Lamphere To: tailwind-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 2:36 PM Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Shoulder Harness Mounts Pat, I just got in from the shop. Welded in the belt mounts. I went with Jim Clement's info he wrote and went to the corners of the rear baggage bulkhead. I used a .062 x 1.00 x 4.50 strap for each corner. Tacked them in place where they were lined up with the center of the seats, formed the rear ends 90 deg. around the crosstube and welded. If Jim says it works fine, I believe him. It is so nice to get input from such an experienced Tailwind builder! Thanks Jim! Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: patmc2002@sbcglobal.net To: tailwind-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 8:23 AM Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Shoulder Harness Mounts Dave, I am thinking of welding an attach point to the 3/8 tube in the baggage area at a point the same distance off center of the fuselage as the pilot's neck. On the rear of that same clip I am going to have a whole drilled for an attach-point for an aircraft cable and run that back to the next station which will have a gusset welded in for the other end of the cable to attach to. It's a little extra work, but a minimum amount of weight, and it keeps the "Y" type harness directly behind the pilot. Same has to be done for the pass. seat...Pat Mc. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:33:18 PM PST US From: "Larry H." Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Shoulder Harness Mounts From: Fred Weaver ".... Are we done with this thread???? Weave, Thread is too weak ! Use cabel and or seat belt webbing ! :) Larry H. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:46:28 PM PST US From: "Jim Clement" <168x@merr.com> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: super heater Cabin heat box, has a slide valve instead of a flap. Seals up better. Jim C ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric Schlanser To: tailwind-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 10:15 AM Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: super heater Jim, What is the mechanism on the firewall/cabin end of the 2 1/2" hose? Thanks, Eric Jim Clement <168x@merr.com> wrote: This is the heater, It is like a funnel wrapped around the exhaust pipe. This picture has a 2 1/2" hose but a 2" works also. It should not fit tight on the small end, you want some air movement thru the funnel so the pipe doesn't get to hot. This is similar to what Steve Wittman used. The one in the picture is a little small but works good. If it is more forward to take in the elbow area it will melt your tennis shoes. Usually take it off for the summer. Jim C > ATTACHMENT part 2 image/jpeg nameP1004341.jpg