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1. 12:43 PM - Brake lines (Jerry Hey)
2. 01:00 PM - Re: Brake lines (Malcolm.Lovelace@coopertools.com)
3. 01:25 PM - Re: Brake lines (Bob Conner)
4. 01:42 PM - Re: Brake lines (Jerry Hey)
5. 02:58 PM - Re: Brake lines (Jim Clement)
6. 03:07 PM - Re: Brake lines (Lovelace)
7. 06:14 PM - Re: Brake lines (Jerry Hey)
8. 06:19 PM - Re: Brake lines (cgalley)
9. 06:33 PM - Re: Brake lines (Dave Conrad)
10. 06:45 PM - Re: Brake lines (Jim Clement)
11. 06:51 PM - Re: Brake lines (cgalley)
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Jerry Hey <j-winddesigns@thegrid.net>
I want to install new brake lines in N6 PJ. The present set up is
aluminum line from the master cylinders with about a 12 inch nylon
tail at the wheels. I want to renew the nylon tubing primarily
because one of the fittings is cracked and the tubing has been in
service for a long time. First question is which nylon tube is
recommended for brakes, Nylo-Seal or Nylaflow? Are the Poly-flo
fittings (recommended by ACS) the way to go with the nylon tubing?
Concerning the length of the tubing, how much "slack" is added to the
tubing to accommodate gear flexing. Thanks, Jerry
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Malcolm.Lovelace@CooperTools.com
Jerry,
I use the Nyaflow nylon tubing SK 8201-3/16 from Wicks. You need to use the
268 or 269 male connectors or elbows. Also make sure you also use the 2030x4
brass insert.
As far as the amount of slack just make sure it does not pinch the line on
either end when the gear moves.
Malcolm
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jerry Hey [SMTP:j-winddesigns@thegrid.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 3:44 PM
> To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Tailwind-List: Brake lines
>
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Jerry Hey <j-winddesigns@thegrid.net>
>
> I want to install new brake lines in N6 PJ. The present set up is
> aluminum line from the master cylinders with about a 12 inch nylon
> tail at the wheels. I want to renew the nylon tubing primarily
> because one of the fittings is cracked and the tubing has been in
> service for a long time. First question is which nylon tube is
> recommended for brakes, Nylo-Seal or Nylaflow? Are the Poly-flo
> fittings (recommended by ACS) the way to go with the nylon tubing?
> Concerning the length of the tubing, how much "slack" is added to the
> tubing to accommodate gear flexing. Thanks, Jerry
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Bob Conner" <bdconner@hotmail.com>
Jerry I used the Nyloseal tubing with the Polyflow fittings but I had lots
of trouble with the fittings. I ffinally got regular brass fittings with
the nylon ferrals and haven't any more problems. I just left a "little"
slack in mine to allow for movement. Hope this
helps...........................Bob 149
From: Jerry Hey j-winddesigns@thegrid.net
Subject: Tailwind-List: Brake lines
-- Tailwind-List message posted by: Jerry Hey
j-winddesigns@thegrid.net
I want to install new brake lines in N6 PJ. The present set up is
aluminum line from the master cylinders with about a 12 inch nylon
tail at the wheels. I want to renew the nylon tubing primarily
because one of the fittings is cracked and the tubing has been in
service for a long time. First question is which nylon tube is
recommended for brakes, Nylo-Seal or Nylaflow? Are the Poly-flo
fittings (recommended by ACS) the way to go with the nylon tubing?
Concerning the length of the tubing, how much slack is
added to
the tubing to accommodate gear flexing. Thanks, Jerry
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Jerry Hey <j-winddesigns@thegrid.net>
Thanks Malcolm. Do you run Nylaflow all the way from the master
cylinder or do you use aluminum tube for part of system? Jerry
On Tuesday, February 1, 2005, at 03:37 PM,
Malcolm.Lovelace@coopertools.com wrote:
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Malcolm.Lovelace@CooperTools.com
>
> Jerry,
>
> I use the Nyaflow nylon tubing SK 8201-3/16 from Wicks. You need to
> use the
> 268 or 269 male connectors or elbows. Also make sure you also use the
> 2030x4
> brass insert.
>
> As far as the amount of slack just make sure it does not pinch the
> line on
> either end when the gear moves.
>
> Malcolm
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jerry Hey [SMTP:j-winddesigns@thegrid.net]
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 3:44 PM
>> To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Tailwind-List: Brake lines
>>
>> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Jerry Hey
>> <j-winddesigns@thegrid.net>
>>
>> I want to install new brake lines in N6 PJ. The present set up is
>> aluminum line from the master cylinders with about a 12 inch nylon
>> tail at the wheels. I want to renew the nylon tubing primarily
>> because one of the fittings is cracked and the tubing has been in
>> service for a long time. First question is which nylon tube is
>> recommended for brakes, Nylo-Seal or Nylaflow? Are the Poly-flo
>> fittings (recommended by ACS) the way to go with the nylon tubing?
>> Concerning the length of the tubing, how much "slack" is added to the
>> tubing to accommodate gear flexing. Thanks, Jerry
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Jim Clement" <168x@merr.com>
Jerry, Use what Malcolm stated but leave yourself plenty of slack so you can
cut the fitting nuts off later if needed and add new ones. It seems if they
ever leak it will be at the compressed area of tube and fitting nut. Nuts
are available without buying the complete fitting assy. Jim C
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Hey" <j-winddesigns@thegrid.net>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Brake lines
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Jerry Hey <j-winddesigns@thegrid.net>
>
> I want to install new brake lines in N6 PJ. The present set up is
> aluminum line from the master cylinders with about a 12 inch nylon tail
> at the wheels. I want to renew the nylon tubing primarily because one
> of the fittings is cracked and the tubing has been in service for a long
> time. First question is which nylon tube is recommended for brakes,
> Nylo-Seal or Nylaflow? Are the Poly-flo fittings (recommended by ACS)
> the way to go with the nylon tubing? Concerning the length of the
> tubing, how much "slack" is added to the tubing to accommodate gear
> flexing. Thanks, Jerry
>
>
>
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Lovelace" <mlovelace@woh.rr.com>
Jerry, I run the Nylaflow all the way.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Hey" <j-winddesigns@thegrid.net>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Brake lines
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Jerry Hey <j-winddesigns@thegrid.net>
>
> Thanks Malcolm. Do you run Nylaflow all the way from the master
> cylinder or do you use aluminum tube for part of system? Jerry
> On Tuesday, February 1, 2005, at 03:37 PM,
> Malcolm.Lovelace@coopertools.com wrote:
>
> > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Malcolm.Lovelace@CooperTools.com
> >
> > Jerry,
> >
> > I use the Nyaflow nylon tubing SK 8201-3/16 from Wicks. You need to
> > use the
> > 268 or 269 male connectors or elbows. Also make sure you also use the
> > 2030x4
> > brass insert.
> >
> > As far as the amount of slack just make sure it does not pinch the
> > line on
> > either end when the gear moves.
> >
> > Malcolm
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Jerry Hey [SMTP:j-winddesigns@thegrid.net]
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 3:44 PM
> >> To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
> >> Subject: Tailwind-List: Brake lines
> >>
> >> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Jerry Hey
> >> <j-winddesigns@thegrid.net>
> >>
> >> I want to install new brake lines in N6 PJ. The present set up is
> >> aluminum line from the master cylinders with about a 12 inch nylon
> >> tail at the wheels. I want to renew the nylon tubing primarily
> >> because one of the fittings is cracked and the tubing has been in
> >> service for a long time. First question is which nylon tube is
> >> recommended for brakes, Nylo-Seal or Nylaflow? Are the Poly-flo
> >> fittings (recommended by ACS) the way to go with the nylon tubing?
> >> Concerning the length of the tubing, how much "slack" is added to the
> >> tubing to accommodate gear flexing. Thanks, Jerry
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Jerry Hey <j-winddesigns@thegrid.net>
Thanks Jim, That is what I am going to do. Have not decided yet
to replace the aluminum tubing. Nothing wrong with it that I know of
but tomorrow I will inspect it very carefully. Jerry
On Tuesday, February 1, 2005, at 05:57 PM, Jim Clement wrote:
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Jim Clement" <168x@merr.com>
>
> Jerry, Use what Malcolm stated but leave yourself plenty of slack so
> you can cut the fitting nuts off later if needed and add new ones. It
> seems if they ever leak it will be at the compressed area of tube and
> fitting nut. Nuts are available without buying the complete fitting
> assy. Jim C
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Hey"
> <j-winddesigns@thegrid.net>
> To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 2:43 PM
> Subject: Tailwind-List: Brake lines
>
>
>> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Jerry Hey
>> <j-winddesigns@thegrid.net>
>>
>> I want to install new brake lines in N6 PJ. The present set up is
>> aluminum line from the master cylinders with about a 12 inch nylon
>> tail at the wheels. I want to renew the nylon tubing primarily
>> because one of the fittings is cracked and the tubing has been in
>> service for a long time. First question is which nylon tube is
>> recommended for brakes, Nylo-Seal or Nylaflow? Are the Poly-flo
>> fittings (recommended by ACS) the way to go with the nylon tubing?
>> Concerning the length of the tubing, how much "slack" is added to
>> the tubing to accommodate gear flexing. Thanks, Jerry
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
I am not a fan of plastic lines.
Couple of years ago we had an RV-4 that had a brake problem. Why? Because
the plastic line melted.
Why did it melt? The line was a bit too long and rested against the metal
wheel pant bracket. It got hot and melted a hole in the line. Fluid came out
and it was a taildragger.
Fortunately, the brakes got hot from the long taxi at Oshkosh so it was on
the ground when he could no longer steer the plane.
So if you have extra tube length make sure it doesn't touch where it could
get hot.
Cy Galley - Chair,
AirVenture Emergency Aircraft Repair
A Service Project of Chapter 75
EAA Safety Programs Editor - TC
EAA Sport Pilot
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Clement" <168x@merr.com>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Brake lines
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Jim Clement" <168x@merr.com>
>
> Jerry, Use what Malcolm stated but leave yourself plenty of slack so you
can
> cut the fitting nuts off later if needed and add new ones. It seems if
they
> ever leak it will be at the compressed area of tube and fitting nut. Nuts
> are available without buying the complete fitting assy. Jim C
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jerry Hey" <j-winddesigns@thegrid.net>
> To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 2:43 PM
> Subject: Tailwind-List: Brake lines
>
>
> > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Jerry Hey
<j-winddesigns@thegrid.net>
> >
> > I want to install new brake lines in N6 PJ. The present set up is
> > aluminum line from the master cylinders with about a 12 inch nylon tail
> > at the wheels. I want to renew the nylon tubing primarily because one
> > of the fittings is cracked and the tubing has been in service for a
long
> > time. First question is which nylon tube is recommended for brakes,
> > Nylo-Seal or Nylaflow? Are the Poly-flo fittings (recommended by ACS)
> > the way to go with the nylon tubing? Concerning the length of the
> > tubing, how much "slack" is added to the tubing to accommodate gear
> > flexing. Thanks, Jerry
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Dave Conrad <dconrad@dwave.net>
Ditto for me on that one Cy, I have read of several people having the
same troubles. Didn't someone have a wheel fire because of hot brake
fluid spilling out on a very hot rotor a few years back? Dave
On Tuesday, February 1, 2005, at 08:11 PM, cgalley wrote:
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
>
> I am not a fan of plastic lines.
>
> Couple of years ago we had an RV-4 that had a brake problem. Why?
> Because
> the plastic line melted.
>
> Why did it melt? The line was a bit too long and rested against the
> metal
> wheel pant bracket. It got hot and melted a hole in the line. Fluid
> came out
> and it was a taildragger.
>
> Fortunately, the brakes got hot from the long taxi at Oshkosh so it
> was on
> the ground when he could no longer steer the plane.
>
> So if you have extra tube length make sure it doesn't touch where it
> could
> get hot.
>
> Cy Galley - Chair,
> AirVenture Emergency Aircraft Repair
> A Service Project of Chapter 75
> EAA Safety Programs Editor - TC
> EAA Sport Pilot
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Clement" <168x@merr.com>
> To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 4:57 PM
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Brake lines
>
>
>> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Jim Clement" <168x@merr.com>
>>
>> Jerry, Use what Malcolm stated but leave yourself plenty of slack so
>> you
> can
>> cut the fitting nuts off later if needed and add new ones. It seems if
> they
>> ever leak it will be at the compressed area of tube and fitting nut.
>> Nuts
>> are available without buying the complete fitting assy. Jim C
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jerry Hey" <j-winddesigns@thegrid.net>
>> To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 2:43 PM
>> Subject: Tailwind-List: Brake lines
>>
>>
>>> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Jerry Hey
> <j-winddesigns@thegrid.net>
>>>
>>> I want to install new brake lines in N6 PJ. The present set up is
>>> aluminum line from the master cylinders with about a 12 inch nylon
>>> tail
>>> at the wheels. I want to renew the nylon tubing primarily because
>>> one
>>> of the fittings is cracked and the tubing has been in service for a
> long
>>> time. First question is which nylon tube is recommended for brakes,
>>> Nylo-Seal or Nylaflow? Are the Poly-flo fittings (recommended by
>>> ACS)
>>> the way to go with the nylon tubing? Concerning the length of the
>>> tubing, how much "slack" is added to the tubing to accommodate gear
>>> flexing. Thanks, Jerry
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>
>
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Jim Clement" <168x@merr.com>
Keep the extra slack at the master cylinder end not the wheel end. Also a
good idea is to slip another short piece of soft plastic tubing over the
brake line in the brake disk area. Jim C
----- Original Message -----
From: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Brake lines
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
>
> I am not a fan of plastic lines.
>
> Couple of years ago we had an RV-4 that had a brake problem. Why? Because
> the plastic line melted.
>
> Why did it melt? The line was a bit too long and rested against the metal
> wheel pant bracket. It got hot and melted a hole in the line. Fluid came
> out
> and it was a taildragger.
>
> Fortunately, the brakes got hot from the long taxi at Oshkosh so it was on
> the ground when he could no longer steer the plane.
>
> So if you have extra tube length make sure it doesn't touch where it could
> get hot.
>
> Cy Galley - Chair,
> AirVenture Emergency Aircraft Repair
> A Service Project of Chapter 75
> EAA Safety Programs Editor - TC
> EAA Sport Pilot
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Clement" <168x@merr.com>
> To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 4:57 PM
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Brake lines
>
>
>> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Jim Clement" <168x@merr.com>
>>
>> Jerry, Use what Malcolm stated but leave yourself plenty of slack so you
> can
>> cut the fitting nuts off later if needed and add new ones. It seems if
> they
>> ever leak it will be at the compressed area of tube and fitting nut. Nuts
>> are available without buying the complete fitting assy. Jim C
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jerry Hey" <j-winddesigns@thegrid.net>
>> To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 2:43 PM
>> Subject: Tailwind-List: Brake lines
>>
>>
>> > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Jerry Hey
> <j-winddesigns@thegrid.net>
>> >
>> > I want to install new brake lines in N6 PJ. The present set up is
>> > aluminum line from the master cylinders with about a 12 inch nylon
>> > tail
>> > at the wheels. I want to renew the nylon tubing primarily because
>> > one
>> > of the fittings is cracked and the tubing has been in service for a
> long
>> > time. First question is which nylon tube is recommended for brakes,
>> > Nylo-Seal or Nylaflow? Are the Poly-flo fittings (recommended by
>> > ACS)
>> > the way to go with the nylon tubing? Concerning the length of the
>> > tubing, how much "slack" is added to the tubing to accommodate gear
>> > flexing. Thanks, Jerry
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
I was told by the local T-18 Guru that a T-18 had a brake fire. The wing had
to be rebuilt from the fire damage. 5606 besides getting sticky also is a
good fire starter.
Cy Galley
EAA Safety Programs Editor
Always looking for ideas and articles for EAA Sport Pilot
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Conrad" <dconrad@dwave.net>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Brake lines
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Dave Conrad <dconrad@dwave.net>
>
> Ditto for me on that one Cy, I have read of several people having the
> same troubles. Didn't someone have a wheel fire because of hot brake
> fluid spilling out on a very hot rotor a few years back? Dave
> On Tuesday, February 1, 2005, at 08:11 PM, cgalley wrote:
>
> > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
> >
> > I am not a fan of plastic lines.
> >
> > Couple of years ago we had an RV-4 that had a brake problem. Why?
> > Because
> > the plastic line melted.
> >
> > Why did it melt? The line was a bit too long and rested against the
> > metal
> > wheel pant bracket. It got hot and melted a hole in the line. Fluid
> > came out
> > and it was a taildragger.
> >
> > Fortunately, the brakes got hot from the long taxi at Oshkosh so it
> > was on
> > the ground when he could no longer steer the plane.
> >
> > So if you have extra tube length make sure it doesn't touch where it
> > could
> > get hot.
> >
> > Cy Galley - Chair,
> > AirVenture Emergency Aircraft Repair
> > A Service Project of Chapter 75
> > EAA Safety Programs Editor - TC
> > EAA Sport Pilot
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jim Clement" <168x@merr.com>
> > To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 4:57 PM
> > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Brake lines
> >
> >
> >> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Jim Clement" <168x@merr.com>
> >>
> >> Jerry, Use what Malcolm stated but leave yourself plenty of slack so
> >> you
> > can
> >> cut the fitting nuts off later if needed and add new ones. It seems if
> > they
> >> ever leak it will be at the compressed area of tube and fitting nut.
> >> Nuts
> >> are available without buying the complete fitting assy. Jim C
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Jerry Hey" <j-winddesigns@thegrid.net>
> >> To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 2:43 PM
> >> Subject: Tailwind-List: Brake lines
> >>
> >>
> >>> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Jerry Hey
> > <j-winddesigns@thegrid.net>
> >>>
> >>> I want to install new brake lines in N6 PJ. The present set up is
> >>> aluminum line from the master cylinders with about a 12 inch nylon
> >>> tail
> >>> at the wheels. I want to renew the nylon tubing primarily because
> >>> one
> >>> of the fittings is cracked and the tubing has been in service for a
> > long
> >>> time. First question is which nylon tube is recommended for brakes,
> >>> Nylo-Seal or Nylaflow? Are the Poly-flo fittings (recommended by
> >>> ACS)
> >>> the way to go with the nylon tubing? Concerning the length of the
> >>> tubing, how much "slack" is added to the tubing to accommodate gear
> >>> flexing. Thanks, Jerry
> >>>
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