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                           Tailwind-List Digest Archive
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                     Total Messages Posted Sun 02/06/05: 16
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Today's Message Index:
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     1. 03:19 AM - Re: Wood gear leg dampeners  (IslPilot@aol.com)
     2. 05:52 AM - Re: Update on 540CJ  (dmagaw@att.net)
     3. 06:23 AM - Re: Update on 540CJ  (Rich Ellis)
     4. 06:59 AM - Re: Sport plane  (Cbrj@aol.com)
     5. 08:23 AM - Re: New e-mail address  (Woods)
     6. 08:28 AM - Re: Sport plane  (B Johnson)
     7. 01:51 PM - Sheet Metal Cutting  (David Lamphere)
     8. 03:34 PM - Re: Sheet Metal Cutting  (PullSomeGs@aol.com)
     9. 05:02 PM - Re: Sheet Metal Cutting  (Dave Conrad)
    10. 05:24 PM - Re: Sheet Metal Cutting  (Jim Clement)
    11. 06:04 PM - Re: Sheet Metal Cutting  (Alex Frizzell)
    12. 06:35 PM - Re: Sheet Metal Cutting  (Tom Cummings)
    13. 08:05 PM - Shear - trailing edge  (John Downing)
    14. 08:07 PM - Re: Sheet Metal Cutting  (Alex Frizzell)
    15. 08:10 PM - Re: Update on 540CJ  (red)
    16. 09:36 PM - Re: Update on 540CJ  (CJ Kirby Memphis Tailwind)
 
 
 
________________________________  Message 1  _____________________________________


Time: 03:19:49 AM PST US
From: IslPilot@aol.com
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Wood gear leg dampeners

Captain Danner pioneered this method, its cheap and works fairly well for the 
lazy.  PVC streamline tubing for about $30 over the gear legs filled with 
"Great Stuff", (spray foam insulation)

My only caution is wet the inside of the fairing before filling with great 
stuff.  Mine took weeks to cure last winter and I have some bulges.  The foam 
needs moisture to catalyze, and with the dry winter heat in the barn, it took 
forever.  I ended up drilling 1/4" holes in the middle portion to get that area

to catalyze.  It hardened at the open ends of the fairing and sealed off the 
molten center so it  could not cure in the absence of moisture.  I have tried 
it again and if you spray the inside of the fairing with water, no problems.

Now the next question is where do you get the PVC.....I am looking for the 
phone number and address in Florida but havent found it yet....Danner or anyone

else have it?

Paul
CVX

________________________________  Message 2  _____________________________________


Time: 05:52:24 AM PST US
From: dmagaw@att.net
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Update on 540CJ

Looking Good CJ!!
If you fly that tailwind to S&F this year you will be the fastest tailwind builder/test
flying pilot on the planet!  More like S&F 2006 I would guess.  
Dave

-------------- Original message from "CJ Kirby Memphis Tailwind" <memphistailwind@bellsouth.net>:
-------------- 


Hey guys, 
It was 60 degrees here in Memphis. We pulled the TW out and put some of the parts
on it. It's starting to look like something now. We hope to send the fuse off
for powder coating in 3 weeks. We still hope to make Sun-n-Fun in it. Keep
your fingers crossed.
CJ Kirby
memphistailwind@bellsouth.net
N540CJ

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Looking Good CJ!!


If you fly that tailwind to SF this year you willbe the fastest tailwind builder/test
flying pilot on the planet! More like SF 2006 I would guess. 


Dave


-------------- Original message from "CJ Kirby Memphis Tailwind" memphistailwind@bellsouth.net:
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Hey guys, 
It was 60 degrees here in Memphis. We pulled the TW out and put some of the parts
on it. It's starting to look like something now. We hope to send the fuse off
for powder coating in 3 weeks. We still hope to make Sun-n-Fun in it. Keep
your fingers crossed.
CJ Kirby
memphistailwind@bellsouth.net
N540CJ
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________________________________  Message 3  _____________________________________


Time: 06:23:31 AM PST US
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From: Rich Ellis <rjrellis@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Update on 540CJ

--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Rich Ellis <rjrellis@yahoo.com>

CJ ...........  Most impressive. Hope you are
capturing a good number of construction photos. rich


--- CJ Kirby Memphis Tailwind
<memphistailwind@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> Hey guys, 
> It was 60 degrees here in Memphis. We pulled the TW
> out and put some of the parts on it. It's starting
> to look like something now. We hope to send the fuse
> off for powder coating in 3 weeks. We still hope to
> make Sun-n-Fun in it. Keep your fingers crossed.
> CJ Kirby
> memphistailwind@bellsouth.net
> N540CJ

> ATTACHMENT part 2 image/jpeg name=020305.jpg


=====
Richard L. Ellis, M.D.
Gundersen Lutheran Health System
Co-Director
Norma J. Vinger Center for Breast Care
1900 South Avenue
La Crosse, WI 54601
800.362.9567, ext. 52102
rjrellis@yahoo.com


        
                
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________________________________  Message 4  _____________________________________


Time: 06:59:15 AM PST US
From: Cbrj@aol.com
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Sport plane

Hi Everyone,
  My name is Ray Johnson,Earl Luce is quite busy. I am building a  Tri-gear 
Buttercup with Earl's assistance. We have most of the airframe  complete, hope

to sent it out for powdercoating soon.The wings are about  complete,we are 
working on the liftstruts now and should complete them in the  next week or so.I

hope to be flying the tri-buttercup this year,but it'sgoing to  take the time 
it will take! We will see.I will send some pics in the next few  days.

________________________________  Message 5  _____________________________________


Time: 08:23:46 AM PST US
From: "Woods" <dew@powerweb.net>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: New e-mail address

Ok Jerry Got it
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Jerry Hey
  To: Tailwind-list@matronics.com
  Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 5:01 AM
  Subject: Tailwind-List: New e-mail address


  I am changing my e-mail address. The new one is: jerryhey@earthlink.net


________________________________  Message 6  _____________________________________


Time: 08:28:57 AM PST US
From: "B Johnson" <bjohnson@satx.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Tailwind-List: Sport plane

Awesome Ray,


Are you building the standard wood wings? Or is yours the one that is being
modified? 


I=92m very interested in the Buttercup, but I doubt it will be my first
project since I=92ve never built a plane before and the design is still
somewhat in it=92s infancy (as far as number flying, not quality or age of
design=85) 


Would like to hear more!! & see more!


Bruce


   _____ 

From: owner-tailwind-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-tailwind-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cbrj@aol.com
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Sport plane


Hi Everyone,

  My name is Ray Johnson,Earl Luce is quite busy. I am building a Tri-gear
Buttercup with Earl's assistance. We have most of the airframe complete,
hope to sent it out for powdercoating soon.The wings are about complete,we
are working on the liftstruts now and should complete them in the next week
or so.I hope to be flying the tri-buttercup this year,but it'sgoing to take
the time it will take! We will see.I will send some pics in the next few
days.


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________________________________  Message 7  _____________________________________


Time: 01:51:35 PM PST US
From: "David Lamphere" <lamphere@earthlink.net>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Sheet Metal Cutting

Boy, the frustrations of not having a bench shear...

After hearing some praise about air-powered sheers, I wen to Lowes and bought an
Ingersol Rand air-shear.
Tried using a length of 3/4 in square tubing as a straight-edge guide to cut some
straight strips of thin stainless steel sheet for elevator trailing edge material.
No success! After progressing about 2 inches down the line the tool whirred/buzzed
away, making a big racket, but would not progress further down the
line! Tried several times with the cutter head positioned at 90 and 180 degree
angles with respect to the handle in case the hose was hanging it up... Nope!
It seemed to hang up now and then on the burr/edge of the metal ribbon it cuts
out of the sheet (about .180 wide) or something and will not be advanced down
a straight line! On a scrap piece of metal, as long as you used it free hand,
it seemed to work (of course the line cut was not too straight).

I'm beginning to think this tool was a waste of money. I definitely can do better
with a sabre-saw and metal cutting blade - and have less waste! At least the
kerf is less wide! And I can use a straight-edge guide with that.

Have any of you ran into similar problems with this tool?? Can't imagine it's air
pressure, because the pitch of it's operating sound doesn't doesn't seem to
go down..

Dave
________________________________  Message 8  _____________________________________


Time: 03:34:49 PM PST US
From: PullSomeGs@aol.com
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Sheet Metal Cutting

I have good luck just drawing a line with a sharpie and cutting it  with the 
air shears (bought ours at Lowes also). If you take your time and watch  the 
line you can cut the sharpie line in half and thus have a straight line with  
plus or minus less than 1/32 inch...  Not sure what is going on with   
yours...probably binding somehow with your straight edge...I don't use one... I

haven't tried a jigsaw with a metal blade...I am sure the technique is the  
same...draw a line and cut it straight...

Skip
N540cj

Skip  Stewart Airshows
PullSomeGs@aol.com
_www.SkipStewartAirshows.com_ (http://www.skipstewartairshows.com/) 
901-355-4100

________________________________  Message 9  _____________________________________


Time: 05:02:18 PM PST US
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Sheet Metal Cutting
From: Dave Conrad <dconrad@dwave.net>

Dave, Pack up your sheet of stainless and go to a sheet metal shop with
the specs. Have them brake it also If you don't have a brake. That's an
item that will make sour eye candy if it's not right. Dave Conrad
On Sunday, February 6, 2005, at 03:53  PM, David Lamphere wrote:

> Boy, the frustrations of not having a bench shear...
>
> After hearing some praise about air-powered sheers, I wen to Lowes and
> bought an Ingersol Rand air-shear.
> Tried using a length of 3/4 in square tubing as a straight-edge guide
> to cut some straight strips of thin stainless steel sheet for elevator
> trailing edge material. No success! After progressing about 2 inches
> down the line the tool whirred/buzzed away, making a big racket, but
> would not progress further down the line! Tried several times with the
> cutter head positioned at 90 and 180 degree angles with respect to the
> handle in case the hose was hanging it up... Nope! It seemed to hang
> up now and then on the burr/edge of the metal ribbon it cuts out of
> the sheet (about=A0.180 wide)=A0or=A0something and will not be advanced down
> a straight line! On a scrap piece of metal, as long as you used it
> free hand, it seemed to work (of course the line cut was not too
> straight).
>
> I'm beginning to think this tool was a waste of money. I definitely
> can do better with a sabre-saw and metal cutting blade - and have less
> waste! At least the kerf is less=A0wide! And I can use a straight-edge
> guide with that.
>
> Have any of you ran into similar problems with this tool?? Can't
> imagine it's air pressure, because=A0the pitch of it's operating
> sound=A0doesn't doesn't seem to go down..=A0
>
> Dave

________________________________  Message 10  ____________________________________


Time: 05:24:43 PM PST US
From: "Jim Clement" <168x@merr.com>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Sheet Metal Cutting

Dave, Get a good straight cut hand shear  with three inch blades. Wiss is good,
it will cut straight with little filing of the edge. Thin SS is hard to cut even
with a foot shear if the blades aren't sharp and the shear adjusted close.
Jim C
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: David Lamphere
  To: Tailwind List
  Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 3:53 PM
  Subject: Tailwind-List: Sheet Metal Cutting


  Boy, the frustrations of not having a bench shear...

  After hearing some praise about air-powered sheers, I wen to Lowes and bought
an Ingersol Rand air-shear.
  Tried using a length of 3/4 in square tubing as a straight-edge guide to cut
some straight strips of thin stainless steel sheet for elevator trailing edge
material. No success! After progressing about 2 inches down the line the tool
whirred/buzzed away, making a big racket, but would not progress further down
the line! Tried several times with the cutter head positioned at 90 and 180 degree
angles with respect to the handle in case the hose was hanging it up... Nope!
It seemed to hang up now and then on the burr/edge of the metal ribbon it
cuts out of the sheet (about .180 wide) or something and will not be advanced
down a straight line! On a scrap piece of metal, as long as you used it free
hand, it seemed to work (of course the line cut was not too straight).

  I'm beginning to think this tool was a waste of money. I definitely can do better
with a sabre-saw and metal cutting blade - and have less waste! At least
the kerf is less wide! And I can use a straight-edge guide with that.

  Have any of you ran into similar problems with this tool?? Can't imagine it's
air pressure, because the pitch of it's operating sound doesn't doesn't seem
to go down..

  Dave
________________________________  Message 11  ____________________________________


Time: 06:04:30 PM PST US
From: "Alex Frizzell" <CARRXW10@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Sheet Metal Cutting
Seal-Send-Time: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 20:04:00 -0600

Dave, If you use a variable speed jig saw and use SLOW speed and SLOW feed AND
a product called "TAP MAGIC" IT will cut like butter. Stainless work hardens
with fast speeds and heavy feeds.
Alex
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Jim Clement<mailto:168x@merr.com>
  To: tailwind-list@matronics.com<mailto:tailwind-list@matronics.com>
  Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 7:24 PM
  Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Sheet Metal Cutting


  Dave, Get a good straight cut hand shear  with three inch blades. Wiss is good,
it will cut straight with little filing of the edge. Thin SS is hard to cut
even with a foot shear if the blades aren't sharp and the shear adjusted close.
Jim C
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: David Lamphere<mailto:lamphere@earthlink.net>
    To: Tailwind List<mailto:tailwind-list@matronics.com>
    Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 3:53 PM
    Subject: Tailwind-List: Sheet Metal Cutting


    Boy, the frustrations of not having a bench shear...

    After hearing some praise about air-powered sheers, I wen to Lowes and bought
an Ingersol Rand air-shear.
    Tried using a length of 3/4 in square tubing as a straight-edge guide to cut
some straight strips of thin stainless steel sheet for elevator trailing edge
material. No success! After progressing about 2 inches down the line the tool
whirred/buzzed away, making a big racket, but would not progress further down
the line! Tried several times with the cutter head positioned at 90 and 180
degree angles with respect to the handle in case the hose was hanging it up...
Nope! It seemed to hang up now and then on the burr/edge of the metal ribbon
it cuts out of the sheet (about .180 wide) or something and will not be advanced
down a straight line! On a scrap piece of metal, as long as you used it free
hand, it seemed to work (of course the line cut was not too straight).

    I'm beginning to think this tool was a waste of money. I definitely can do
better with a sabre-saw and metal cutting blade - and have less waste! At least
the kerf is less wide! And I can use a straight-edge guide with that.

    Have any of you ran into similar problems with this tool?? Can't imagine it's
air pressure, because the pitch of it's operating sound doesn't doesn't seem
to go down..

    Dave
________________________________  Message 12  ____________________________________


Time: 06:35:46 PM PST US
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  b=IZZ717ZtDpskR/KBXTs+uuvNQhvk/jhEHDWavTaDzIZBDagjsPE+0k+b6w+lFPDB;
From: "Tom  Cummings" <tomlc@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Sheet Metal Cutting

Alex,
What brand/model variable speed jig saw do you have?
Thanks,
Tom
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Alex Frizzell
  To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
  Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 8:03 PM
  Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Sheet Metal Cutting


  Dave, If you use a variable speed jig saw and use SLOW speed and SLOW feed AND
a product called "TAP MAGIC" IT will cut like butter. Stainless work hardens
with fast speeds and heavy feeds.
  Alex
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Jim Clement
    To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
    Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 7:24 PM
    Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Sheet Metal Cutting


    Dave, Get a good straight cut hand shear  with three inch blades. Wiss is good,
it will cut straight with little filing of the edge. Thin SS is hard to cut
even with a foot shear if the blades aren't sharp and the shear adjusted close.
Jim C
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: David Lamphere
      To: Tailwind List
      Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 3:53 PM
      Subject: Tailwind-List: Sheet Metal Cutting


      Boy, the frustrations of not having a bench shear...

      After hearing some praise about air-powered sheers, I wen to Lowes and bought
an Ingersol Rand air-shear.
      Tried using a length of 3/4 in square tubing as a straight-edge guide to
cut some straight strips of thin stainless steel sheet for elevator trailing edge
material. No success! After progressing about 2 inches down the line the tool
whirred/buzzed away, making a big racket, but would not progress further down
the line! Tried several times with the cutter head positioned at 90 and 180
degree angles with respect to the handle in case the hose was hanging it up...
Nope! It seemed to hang up now and then on the burr/edge of the metal ribbon
it cuts out of the sheet (about .180 wide) or something and will not be advanced
down a straight line! On a scrap piece of metal, as long as you used it free
hand, it seemed to work (of course the line cut was not too straight).

      I'm beginning to think this tool was a waste of money. I definitely can do
better with a sabre-saw and metal cutting blade - and have less waste! At least
the kerf is less wide! And I can use a straight-edge guide with that.

      Have any of you ran into similar problems with this tool?? Can't imagine
it's air pressure, because the pitch of it's operating sound doesn't doesn't seem
to go down..

      Dave
________________________________  Message 13  ____________________________________


Time: 08:05:38 PM PST US
From: "John Downing" <frmrjohn@netonecom.net>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Shear - trailing edge

--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "John Downing" <frmrjohn@netonecom.net>

Dave;  Rick Croslin put me on to the aluminum trailing edge at Wicks.  I had
it cut an inch longer than the flaps out of the the 10' lengths, leaving the
short pieces for the flaps.  These are attached with 3/32" flush pop rivets
staggered on the ribs so they don't interfere with each other on the top and
bottom.  This saves alot of hassle cutting, bending and brazing on the
trailing edge, just cut to length, rivet and cover.  JohnD
---


________________________________  Message 14  ____________________________________


Time: 08:07:09 PM PST US
From: "Alex Frizzell" <CARRXW10@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Sheet Metal Cutting
Seal-Send-Time: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 22:05:46 -0600

Tom, I have an old Portercable industrial, don't know the  model no. but if I find
out later I will post it. I'm still searching e-bay for a good vertical band
saw. (cheap) All of them so far have gone for over
$1000.
Alex
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Tom Cummings<mailto:tomlc@earthlink.net>
  To: tailwind-list@matronics.com<mailto:tailwind-list@matronics.com>
  Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 8:35 PM
  Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Sheet Metal Cutting


  Alex,
  What brand/model variable speed jig saw do you have?
  Thanks,
  Tom
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Alex Frizzell<mailto:CARRXW10@msn.com>
    To: tailwind-list@matronics.com<mailto:tailwind-list@matronics.com>
    Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 8:03 PM
    Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Sheet Metal Cutting


    Dave, If you use a variable speed jig saw and use SLOW speed and SLOW feed
AND  a product called "TAP MAGIC" IT will cut like butter. Stainless work hardens
with fast speeds and heavy feeds.
    Alex
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Jim Clement<mailto:168x@merr.com>
      To: tailwind-list@matronics.com<mailto:tailwind-list@matronics.com>
      Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 7:24 PM
      Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Sheet Metal Cutting


      Dave, Get a good straight cut hand shear  with three inch blades. Wiss is
good, it will cut straight with little filing of the edge. Thin SS is hard to
cut even with a foot shear if the blades aren't sharp and the shear adjusted
close. Jim C
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: David Lamphere<mailto:lamphere@earthlink.net>
        To: Tailwind List<mailto:tailwind-list@matronics.com>
        Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 3:53 PM
        Subject: Tailwind-List: Sheet Metal Cutting


        Boy, the frustrations of not having a bench shear...

        After hearing some praise about air-powered sheers, I wen to Lowes and
bought an Ingersol Rand air-shear.
        Tried using a length of 3/4 in square tubing as a straight-edge guide to
cut some straight strips of thin stainless steel sheet for elevator trailing
edge material. No success! After progressing about 2 inches down the line the
tool whirred/buzzed away, making a big racket, but would not progress further
down the line! Tried several times with the cutter head positioned at 90 and
180 degree angles with respect to the handle in case the hose was hanging it up...
Nope! It seemed to hang up now and then on the burr/edge of the metal ribbon
it cuts out of the sheet (about .180 wide) or something and will not be advanced
down a straight line! On a scrap piece of metal, as long as you used it
free hand, it seemed to work (of course the line cut was not too straight).

        I'm beginning to think this tool was a waste of money. I definitely can
do better with a sabre-saw and metal cutting blade - and have less waste! At
least the kerf is less wide! And I can use a straight-edge guide with that.

        Have any of you ran into similar problems with this tool?? Can't imagine
it's air pressure, because the pitch of it's operating sound doesn't doesn't
seem to go down..

        Dave
________________________________  Message 15  ____________________________________


Time: 08:10:47 PM PST US
From: "red" <redswing@mcn.org>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Update on 540CJ

 That ought to get them to do it Dave!
Red
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: dmagaw@att.net
  To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
  Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 5:51 AM
  Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Update on 540CJ


  Looking Good CJ!!

  If you fly that tailwind to S&F this year you will be the fastest tailwind builder/test
flying pilot on the planet!  More like S&F 2006 I would guess. 

  Dave


    -------------- Original message from "CJ Kirby Memphis Tailwind" <memphistailwind@bellsouth.net>:
--------------


    Hey guys,
    It was 60 degrees here in Memphis. We pulled the TW out and put some of the
parts on it. It's starting to look like something now. We hope to send the fuse
off for powder coating in 3 weeks. We still hope to make Sun-n-Fun in it. Keep
your fingers crossed.
    CJ Kirby
    memphistailwind@bellsouth.net
    N540CJ
________________________________  Message 16  ____________________________________


Time: 09:36:36 PM PST US
From: "CJ Kirby Memphis Tailwind" <memphistailwind@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Update on 540CJ

Yeah Red,
That sounds like a challenge to me. We'll see you guys at SnF. Look for the Pitts,
and the Tailwind on display, with matching paint designs that say SkipStewartAirshows
on them. Just go to where you see the large crowds gathering after
Skip flies his routine at the airshow. :-)
CJ Kirby
memphistailwind@bellsouth.net
N540CJ