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1. 12:19 AM - Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] (Matt Dralle)
2. 04:49 AM - Re: Instrument flying (William Bernard)
3. 06:35 AM - Re: Instrument flying (Ruhnke, Mike)
4. 06:58 AM - Re: Instrument flying (DaveM)
5. 07:22 AM - Re: Instrument flying (DaveM)
6. 09:55 AM - Re: Instrument flying (Fred Weaver)
7. 10:31 AM - Re: Instrument flying (DaveM)
8. 10:48 AM - Re: Instrument flying (Isaiahmccole@aol.com)
9. 10:53 AM - Re: Instrument flying (Isaiahmccole@aol.com)
10. 04:35 PM - Oil Cooler (Ted Strange)
11. 04:48 PM - Re: Oil Cooler (Esterosteele@aol.com)
12. 07:06 PM - Re: Oil Cooler (George Turner)
13. 07:10 PM - Re: Instrument flying (Larry H.)
14. 08:52 PM - Re: unsubscribe (red)
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| Subject: | Re: Instrument flying |
Dave, I haven't done any instrument flying in my tailwind, but I have in other
homebuilts. IMO, if one were serious about doing that on a regular basis, an autopilot,
even a wing leveler, would be highly desirable.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: DaveM
To: Tailwind list
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 8:46 AM
Subject: Tailwind-List: Instrument flying
I had a little side discussion with Al about whether to put a turn and bank or
turn coordinator in a plane among other things. For almost all of my flying,
I never look at the turn coordinator other than the ball--the rest is excess
weight. While I have assiduously avoided any VFR into IFR conditions, on my
last BFR (two weeks ago), the CFI put a hood on my head and made me fly N168A
(W-10) by the instruments. N168A only has a turn coordinator gyro, a VSI and
the rest is basic instrumentation--altimeter, ASI and compass. Yes flying by
the instruments can be done, but it takes a lot of concentration. He even covered
the VSI and altimeter, so I was flying only by the TC and ASI for a bit.
I would definitely like to get more practice, and it is actually fun to fly that
way knowing you have a safety pilot on board, but I shiver to think about
what it would be like under real conditions. Fortunately I didn't have to handle
the radio or anything else but fly the plane during that time. As most of
you know the tailwind is a quick and sensitive airplane, and not a real stable
IFR platform. Has anyone ever flown a tailwind under real instrument conditions
for any duration?
Dave
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| Subject: | Instrument flying |
Ok. What exactly is a "stable" IFR platform anyway? As I see it the purpose of
all the instruments and the pilot is to provide the stability. When I did all
my training for my IFR rating it was done in Cessna 152's, 172's and 182's.
While flying IFR my eyes were constantly on the instruments keeping the aircraft
stable and on course. If I didn't do that and I let my attention wander
so did the aircraft.
So could we say that a Cessna 152 can be ignored for 10 seconds while we check
a chart and a Tailwind can only be left to its self for 5 seconds? I flew a Colt
several times that thing was so out of trim that in VFR you had to fly it
the whole time or it would drop a wing, right now.
Mike NW Illinois, currently installing the baggage area... Note; to builders if
you are going to mount something or you think your going to mount something,
weld the tabs in before you cover it. Once the covering is on the thing I hesitate
to get the torch near it. My baggage compartment would have been a no
brainer if I had thought it out more before I covered my fusalage.
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| Subject: | Re: Instrument flying |
I agree Bill. I personally don't have any desire to fly IFR or maintain the currency
required, plus my plane is not currently legal for IFR nor will it be under
my ownership. I hope I never have to turn back out of a cloud or smoke,
whatever, but it was interesting to find that under ideal conditions that I could
in fact fly the plane by the instruments it had. I would like to get more
practice, just because it was fun and educational to do--but I have no intention
of trying it out for real.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: William Bernard
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 4:53 AM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Instrument flying
Dave, I haven't done any instrument flying in my tailwind, but I have in other
homebuilts. IMO, if one were serious about doing that on a regular basis, an
autopilot, even a wing leveler, would be highly desirable.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: DaveM
To: Tailwind list
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 8:46 AM
Subject: Tailwind-List: Instrument flying
I had a little side discussion with Al about whether to put a turn and bank
or turn coordinator in a plane among other things. For almost all of my flying,
I never look at the turn coordinator other than the ball--the rest is excess
weight. While I have assiduously avoided any VFR into IFR conditions, on my
last BFR (two weeks ago), the CFI put a hood on my head and made me fly N168A
(W-10) by the instruments. N168A only has a turn coordinator gyro, a VSI and
the rest is basic instrumentation--altimeter, ASI and compass. Yes flying by
the instruments can be done, but it takes a lot of concentration. He even covered
the VSI and altimeter, so I was flying only by the TC and ASI for a bit.
I would definitely like to get more practice, and it is actually fun to fly
that way knowing you have a safety pilot on board, but I shiver to think about
what it would be like under real conditions. Fortunately I didn't have to handle
the radio or anything else but fly the plane during that time. As most
of you know the tailwind is a quick and sensitive airplane, and not a real stable
IFR platform. Has anyone ever flown a tailwind under real instrument conditions
for any duration?
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Instrument flying |
Fred
I would love it but my wallet would not (nor my wife when she saw the bill).
Still can't get away this weekend?
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Fred Weaver
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 9:33 AM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Instrument flying
Dave.... Just install a Grand Rapids Technology EFIS and watch the AHRS keep
you in good shape on the Glass Screen..... You would love it....
Weav
----- Original Message -----
From: DaveM
To: Tailwind list
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 6:46 AM
Subject: Tailwind-List: Instrument flying
I had a little side discussion with Al about whether to put a turn and bank
or turn coordinator in a plane among other things. For almost all of my flying,
I never look at the turn coordinator other than the ball--the rest is excess
weight. While I have assiduously avoided any VFR into IFR conditions, on my
last BFR (two weeks ago), the CFI put a hood on my head and made me fly N168A
(W-10) by the instruments. N168A only has a turn coordinator gyro, a VSI and
the rest is basic instrumentation--altimeter, ASI and compass. Yes flying by
the instruments can be done, but it takes a lot of concentration. He even covered
the VSI and altimeter, so I was flying only by the TC and ASI for a bit.
I would definitely like to get more practice, and it is actually fun to fly
that way knowing you have a safety pilot on board, but I shiver to think about
what it would be like under real conditions. Fortunately I didn't have to handle
the radio or anything else but fly the plane during that time. As most
of you know the tailwind is a quick and sensitive airplane, and not a real stable
IFR platform. Has anyone ever flown a tailwind under real instrument conditions
for any duration?
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Instrument flying |
Working like crazy on a Navy thing.... Hope to ship it tomorrow morning...
Will get to take a deep breath of fresh air afterwards.. This weekend is yard
work and airplane work. Have to get the Tailwind ready for the screamin' ride
down to AZ later in the month.
After I install the EFIS, I will let you fly it under the hood. You will go nuts...
Weav
----- Original Message -----
From: DaveM
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 7:22 AM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Instrument flying
Fred
I would love it but my wallet would not (nor my wife when she saw the bill).
Still can't get away this weekend?
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Fred Weaver
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 9:33 AM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Instrument flying
Dave.... Just install a Grand Rapids Technology EFIS and watch the AHRS keep
you in good shape on the Glass Screen..... You would love it....
Weav
----- Original Message -----
From: DaveM
To: Tailwind list
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 6:46 AM
Subject: Tailwind-List: Instrument flying
I had a little side discussion with Al about whether to put a turn and bank
or turn coordinator in a plane among other things. For almost all of my flying,
I never look at the turn coordinator other than the ball--the rest is excess
weight. While I have assiduously avoided any VFR into IFR conditions, on
my last BFR (two weeks ago), the CFI put a hood on my head and made me fly N168A
(W-10) by the instruments. N168A only has a turn coordinator gyro, a VSI
and the rest is basic instrumentation--altimeter, ASI and compass. Yes flying
by the instruments can be done, but it takes a lot of concentration. He even
covered the VSI and altimeter, so I was flying only by the TC and ASI for a bit.
I would definitely like to get more practice, and it is actually fun to fly
that way knowing you have a safety pilot on board, but I shiver to think about
what it would be like under real conditions. Fortunately I didn't have to
handle the radio or anything else but fly the plane during that time. As most
of you know the tailwind is a quick and sensitive airplane, and not a real stable
IFR platform. Has anyone ever flown a tailwind under real instrument conditions
for any duration?
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Instrument flying |
Looking forward to it!!!
Dave
After I install the EFIS, I will let you fly it under the hood. You will go nuts...
Weav
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| Subject: | Re: Instrument flying |
cool dude!
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| Subject: | Re: Instrument flying |
cool cool dude
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---- Help:
I have just imported a W-8 into Canada from the USA and had it inspected(mandatory)
by Transport Canada.
There was a Corvair oil cooler on it when I got it but it sprung(sprang?) a leak
so I tossed it out Lucky it occured on the ground.
However Transport Canada want the cooler installed again or want to hear from
some "authorative" people stating that it isnt needed.
It is a W-8 with a C-90 motor.
Can I get a bunch of people stating that the oil cooler isnt needed?.
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TED,
My W8 Tailwind has a continental C-90-14 engine installed. I have been
flying it for 25 years, IT does NOT have an oil cooler. Occasionally in VERY
hot weather running 75 or 80 % power the oil temperature will go to 240 F,
I reduce power to 65 to 70% and it cools down to 210 to 215 F. So no no
cooler needed. BUT I fly from 500 feet above sealevel to only 8500 ASL.
It may be different in the high mountains. That is something to be found out.
Jack Steele
C-FSNY
W8 Tailwind
Brockville, Ontario.
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s=s1024; d=yahoo.com;
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Jack, I found that the engine runs cooler at high altitude due to the cooler
air up there. George.....Phoenix
Esterosteele@aol.com wrote:TED,
My W8 Tailwind has a continental C-90-14 engine installed. I have been flying
it for 25 years, IT does NOT have an oil cooler. Occasionally in VERY hot
weather running 75 or 80 % power the oil temperature will go to 240 F, I reduce
power to 65 to 70% and it cools down to 210 to 215 F. So no no cooler
needed. BUT I fly from 500 feet above sealevel to only 8500 ASL. It may be
different in the high mountains. That is something to be found out.
Jack Steele
C-FSNY
W8 Tailwind
Brockville, Ontario.
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| Subject: | Re: Instrument flying |
Wrap straps around the tubing with both ends predrilled and bolt through the baggage
floor. Just an idea !
Larry H.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ruhnke, Mike
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 8:34 AM
Subject: RE: Tailwind-List: Instrument flying
Ok. What exactly is a "stable" IFR platform anyway? As I see it the purpose
of all the instruments and the pilot is to provide the stability. When I did
all my training for my IFR rating it was done in Cessna 152's, 172's and 182's.
While flying IFR my eyes were constantly on the instruments keeping the aircraft
stable and on course. If I didn't do that and I let my attention wander
so did the aircraft.
So could we say that a Cessna 152 can be ignored for 10 seconds while we check
a chart and a Tailwind can only be left to its self for 5 seconds? I flew a
Colt several times that thing was so out of trim that in VFR you had to fly it
the whole time or it would drop a wing, right now.
Mike NW Illinois, currently installing the baggage area... Note; to builders
if you are going to mount something or you think your going to mount something,
weld the tabs in before you cover it. Once the covering is on the thing I
hesitate to get the torch near it. My baggage compartment would have been a no
brainer if I had thought it out more before I covered my fusalage.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Matt Dralle
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 12:19 AM
Subject: Tailwind-List: Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting]
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Lister,
Please read over the Tailwind-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Tailwind-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
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Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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The purpose of the Tailwind-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
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