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1. 04:38 AM - Re: Instrument flying (Ruhnke, Mike)
2. 06:27 AM - Re: Oil Cooler (Bob Wuilleumier)
3. 06:47 AM - Re: Oil Cooler (Fred Weaver)
4. 06:54 AM - Re: Oil Temp. (George Turner)
5. 07:48 AM - Re: Oil Cooler (Bob Danner)
6. 08:15 AM - Re: Oil Cooler (Louis Owen)
7. 12:51 PM - Re: Oil Cooler (james wright)
8. 03:03 PM - Re: Oil Cooler (Bob Wuilleumier)
9. 03:05 PM - Re: Oil Cooler (Bob Wuilleumier)
10. 03:19 PM - Fuel tank (Dennis Flamini)
11. 03:57 PM - Re: Fuel tank (Louis Owen)
12. 07:38 PM - Re: Fuel tank ()
13. 07:51 PM - Re: Fuel tank (Dennis Flamini)
14. 09:18 PM - Re: Fuel tank (Bill Newkirk)
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Great minds think alike. That is exactly how I solved the problem!
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-tailwind-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-tailwind-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Larry H.
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Instrument flying
Wrap straps around the tubing with both ends predrilled and bolt through the baggage
floor. Just an idea !
Larry H.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ruhnke, <mailto:ruhnkem@rayovac.com> Mike
Subject: RE: Tailwind-List: Instrument flying
Ok. What exactly is a "stable" IFR platform anyway? As I see it the purpose of
all the instruments and the pilot is to provide the stability. When I did all
my training for my IFR rating it was done in Cessna 152's, 172's and 182's.
While flying IFR my eyes were constantly on the instruments keeping the aircraft
stable and on course. If I didn't do that and I let my attention wander
so did the aircraft.
So could we say that a Cessna 152 can be ignored for 10 seconds while we check
a chart and a Tailwind can only be left to its self for 5 seconds? I flew a Colt
several times that thing was so out of trim that in VFR you had to fly it
the whole time or it would drop a wing, right now.
Mike NW Illinois, currently installing the baggage area... Note; to builders if
you are going to mount something or you think your going to mount something,
weld the tabs in before you cover it. Once the covering is on the thing I hesitate
to get the torch near it. My baggage compartment would have been a no
brainer if I had thought it out more before I covered my fusalage.
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George;
Did you learn that in ground school or physics in grad school?
My keeping the right oil temp in 0-320 Trike tailwind is a challenge. I have a
plate that covers the back side of the oil cooler can even slide up and down
to cover only half of the cooler. In the winter I cover about 85% of the front
of the oil cooler with metallic tape and then do the adjusting with the slide
up and down plate that is more easily accessible than doing the tape thing which
requires taking off the top cowl (about 25 screws). But in the varying temps
of fall and spring I have to adjust it for each flight by reaching in the
oil access door.
I understand that the optimum oil temp is 185F or so. Seems that a flapper door
arrangement that is controlled from the cockpit that is located in front of
the oil cooler would save me alot of effort on those days when the temp is either
way too cool to burn out the moisture or approaching 220F where I land enroute
and adjust the sliding cover on the back of the cooler or take it off completely.
In 2 years of flying I have not come to a perfect solution from one
flight to another in the variable temps time of the year.
Bob W.
----- Original Message -----
From: George Turner
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 9:00 PM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Oil Cooler
Jack, I found that the engine runs cooler at high altitude due to the cooler
air up there. George.....Phoenix
Esterosteele@aol.com wrote:
TED,
My W8 Tailwind has a continental C-90-14 engine installed. I have been flying
it for 25 years, IT does NOT have an oil cooler. Occasionally in VERY
hot weather running 75 or 80 % power the oil temperature will go to 240 F, I
reduce power to 65 to 70% and it cools down to 210 to 215 F. So no no cooler
needed. BUT I fly from 500 feet above sealevel to only 8500 ASL. It may
be different in the high mountains. That is something to be found out.
Jack Steele
C-FSNY
W8 Tailwind
Brockville, Ontario.
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Bob.... Part of your challenge can be solved with a Vernatherm.... A Lycoming
part that acts like an oil Thermostat. Oil has to get up to Temp before allowing
flow thru the oil cooler.. Check into it...
Weav
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Wuilleumier
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 6:27 AM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Oil Cooler
George;
Did you learn that in ground school or physics in grad school?
My keeping the right oil temp in 0-320 Trike tailwind is a challenge. I have
a plate that covers the back side of the oil cooler can even slide up and down
to cover only half of the cooler. In the winter I cover about 85% of the front
of the oil cooler with metallic tape and then do the adjusting with the slide
up and down plate that is more easily accessible than doing the tape thing
which requires taking off the top cowl (about 25 screws). But in the varying
temps of fall and spring I have to adjust it for each flight by reaching in the
oil access door.
I understand that the optimum oil temp is 185F or so. Seems that a flapper door
arrangement that is controlled from the cockpit that is located in front of
the oil cooler would save me alot of effort on those days when the temp is either
way too cool to burn out the moisture or approaching 220F where I land enroute
and adjust the sliding cover on the back of the cooler or take it off completely.
In 2 years of flying I have not come to a perfect solution from one
flight to another in the variable temps time of the year.
Bob W.
----- Original Message -----
From: George Turner
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 9:00 PM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Oil Cooler
Jack, I found that the engine runs cooler at high altitude due to the cooler
air up there. George.....Phoenix
Esterosteele@aol.com wrote:
TED,
My W8 Tailwind has a continental C-90-14 engine installed. I have been
flying it for 25 years, IT does NOT have an oil cooler. Occasionally in VERY
hot weather running 75 or 80 % power the oil temperature will go to 240 F,
I reduce power to 65 to 70% and it cools down to 210 to 215 F. So no no cooler
needed. BUT I fly from 500 feet above sealevel to only 8500 ASL. It
may be different in the high mountains. That is something to be found out.
Jack Steele
C-FSNY
W8 Tailwind
Brockville, Ontario.
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Bob,
Neither. I had a problem with my first Tailwind on hot days. The oil temp was
running a little hot. I took a trip out west from Wis. When I was in Az. in
August, the temp was redline at low altitudes. I climbed up high into cooler
air and the oil temp came down. George
Bob Wuilleumier <rwuilleumier@charter.net> wrote:
George;
Did you learn that in ground school or physics in grad school?
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hi Fred and Bob i installed the Vernatherm on the o 320 it didn't seem to help
the oil temp still runs on the lower end on the temp. range . i think a gate or
flaper on the frount of the oil cooler is the best answer to the oil temp .
winter i tape it off allmost all the way . still runs cool. Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: Fred Weaver
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 8:46 AM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Oil Cooler
Bob.... Part of your challenge can be solved with a Vernatherm.... A Lycoming
part that acts like an oil Thermostat. Oil has to get up to Temp before allowing
flow thru the oil cooler.. Check into it...
Weav
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Wuilleumier
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 6:27 AM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Oil Cooler
George;
Did you learn that in ground school or physics in grad school?
My keeping the right oil temp in 0-320 Trike tailwind is a challenge. I have
a plate that covers the back side of the oil cooler can even slide up and down
to cover only half of the cooler. In the winter I cover about 85% of the
front of the oil cooler with metallic tape and then do the adjusting with the
slide up and down plate that is more easily accessible than doing the tape thing
which requires taking off the top cowl (about 25 screws). But in the varying
temps of fall and spring I have to adjust it for each flight by reaching in
the oil access door.
I understand that the optimum oil temp is 185F or so. Seems that a flapper
door arrangement that is controlled from the cockpit that is located in front
of the oil cooler would save me alot of effort on those days when the temp is
either way too cool to burn out the moisture or approaching 220F where I land
enroute and adjust the sliding cover on the back of the cooler or take it off
completely. In 2 years of flying I have not come to a perfect solution from
one flight to another in the variable temps time of the year.
Bob W.
----- Original Message -----
From: George Turner
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 9:00 PM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Oil Cooler
Jack, I found that the engine runs cooler at high altitude due to the cooler
air up there. George.....Phoenix
Esterosteele@aol.com wrote:
TED,
My W8 Tailwind has a continental C-90-14 engine installed. I have been
flying it for 25 years, IT does NOT have an oil cooler. Occasionally in VERY
hot weather running 75 or 80 % power the oil temperature will go to 240 F,
I reduce power to 65 to 70% and it cools down to 210 to 215 F. So no no
cooler needed. BUT I fly from 500 feet above sealevel to only 8500 ASL. It
may be different in the high mountains. That is something to be found out.
Jack Steele
C-FSNY
W8 Tailwind
Brockville, Ontario.
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I flew N6PJ for several years with C-90 power and never had a heating problem without
an oil cooler.
Same with the later 0-200. If anything it ran too cool. Most flying in Midwest
US in all seasons. (In winter I had to close off some intake air to get the temp
up.)
Lou Owen Former N6PJ owner.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ted Strange
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 7:33 PM
Subject: Tailwind-List: Oil Cooler
---- Help:
I have just imported a W-8 into Canada from the USA and had it inspected(mandatory)
by Transport Canada.
There was a Corvair oil cooler on it when I got it but it sprung(sprang?) a
leak so I tossed it out Lucky it occured on the ground.
However Transport Canada want the cooler installed again or want to hear from
some "authorative" people stating that it isnt needed.
It is a W-8 with a C-90 motor.
Can I get a bunch of people stating that the oil cooler isnt needed?.
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Ted If you remove your oil cooler set up. Don,t just plug the outlet&inlet ports
without removeing the sleeve at the outlet side that forces the oil to go
to the cooler! Without the sleeve and with the port pluged the oil will cross
over at the fount main but if the sleeve is in & the port is pluged the oil will
not cross over to the other half of the case as it should & will damage the
engine.
Look for the sleeve that is suppose to be part of the
oil cooler set up?
Jim Wright
----- Original Message -----
From: Louis Owen
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 10:17 AM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Oil Cooler
I flew N6PJ for several years with C-90 power and never had a heating problem
without an oil cooler.
Same with the later 0-200. If anything it ran too cool. Most flying in Midwest
US in all seasons. (In winter I had to close off some intake air to get the
temp up.)
Lou Owen Former N6PJ owner.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ted Strange
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 7:33 PM
Subject: Tailwind-List: Oil Cooler
---- Help:
I have just imported a W-8 into Canada from the USA and had it inspected(mandatory)
by Transport Canada.
There was a Corvair oil cooler on it when I got it but it sprung(sprang?)
a leak so I tossed it out Lucky it occured on the ground.
However Transport Canada want the cooler installed again or want to hear
from some "authorative" people stating that it isnt needed.
It is a W-8 with a C-90 motor.
Can I get a bunch of people stating that the oil cooler isnt needed?.
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Bob
I hear yah. Jim Clement installed a vernatherm for me but I didn't notice any
appreciable difference. I think that a flapper on the front would solve the problem.
Bob Wuilleumier
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Danner
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Oil Cooler
hi Fred and Bob i installed the Vernatherm on the o 320 it didn't seem to help
the oil temp still runs on the lower end on the temp. range . i think a gate
or flaper on the frount of the oil cooler is the best answer to the oil temp
. winter i tape it off allmost all the way . still runs cool. Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: Fred Weaver
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 8:46 AM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Oil Cooler
Bob.... Part of your challenge can be solved with a Vernatherm.... A Lycoming
part that acts like an oil Thermostat. Oil has to get up to Temp before allowing
flow thru the oil cooler.. Check into it...
Weav
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Wuilleumier
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 6:27 AM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Oil Cooler
George;
Did you learn that in ground school or physics in grad school?
My keeping the right oil temp in 0-320 Trike tailwind is a challenge. I
have a plate that covers the back side of the oil cooler can even slide up and
down to cover only half of the cooler. In the winter I cover about 85% of the
front of the oil cooler with metallic tape and then do the adjusting with the
slide up and down plate that is more easily accessible than doing the tape thing
which requires taking off the top cowl (about 25 screws). But in the varying
temps of fall and spring I have to adjust it for each flight by reaching
in the oil access door.
I understand that the optimum oil temp is 185F or so. Seems that a flapper
door arrangement that is controlled from the cockpit that is located in front
of the oil cooler would save me alot of effort on those days when the temp
is either way too cool to burn out the moisture or approaching 220F where I land
enroute and adjust the sliding cover on the back of the cooler or take it off
completely. In 2 years of flying I have not come to a perfect solution from
one flight to another in the variable temps time of the year.
Bob W.
----- Original Message -----
From: George Turner
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 9:00 PM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Oil Cooler
Jack, I found that the engine runs cooler at high altitude due to the
cooler air up there. George.....Phoenix
Esterosteele@aol.com wrote:
TED,
My W8 Tailwind has a continental C-90-14 engine installed. I have
been flying it for 25 years, IT does NOT have an oil cooler. Occasionally in
VERY hot weather running 75 or 80 % power the oil temperature will go to 240
F, I reduce power to 65 to 70% and it cools down to 210 to 215 F. So no
no cooler needed. BUT I fly from 500 feet above sealevel to only 8500 ASL.
It may be different in the high mountains. That is something to be found out.
Jack Steele
C-FSNY
W8 Tailwind
Brockville, Ontario.
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Fred;
Jim installed a vernatherm but I still have the same problem as serveral other
people said that they did after putting in a vernatherm.
Thanks, Bob W.
----- Original Message -----
From: Fred Weaver
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 8:46 AM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Oil Cooler
Bob.... Part of your challenge can be solved with a Vernatherm.... A Lycoming
part that acts like an oil Thermostat. Oil has to get up to Temp before allowing
flow thru the oil cooler.. Check into it...
Weav
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Wuilleumier
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 6:27 AM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Oil Cooler
George;
Did you learn that in ground school or physics in grad school?
My keeping the right oil temp in 0-320 Trike tailwind is a challenge. I have
a plate that covers the back side of the oil cooler can even slide up and down
to cover only half of the cooler. In the winter I cover about 85% of the
front of the oil cooler with metallic tape and then do the adjusting with the
slide up and down plate that is more easily accessible than doing the tape thing
which requires taking off the top cowl (about 25 screws). But in the varying
temps of fall and spring I have to adjust it for each flight by reaching in
the oil access door.
I understand that the optimum oil temp is 185F or so. Seems that a flapper
door arrangement that is controlled from the cockpit that is located in front
of the oil cooler would save me alot of effort on those days when the temp is
either way too cool to burn out the moisture or approaching 220F where I land
enroute and adjust the sliding cover on the back of the cooler or take it off
completely. In 2 years of flying I have not come to a perfect solution from
one flight to another in the variable temps time of the year.
Bob W.
----- Original Message -----
From: George Turner
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 9:00 PM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Oil Cooler
Jack, I found that the engine runs cooler at high altitude due to the cooler
air up there. George.....Phoenix
Esterosteele@aol.com wrote:
TED,
My W8 Tailwind has a continental C-90-14 engine installed. I have been
flying it for 25 years, IT does NOT have an oil cooler. Occasionally in VERY
hot weather running 75 or 80 % power the oil temperature will go to 240 F,
I reduce power to 65 to 70% and it cools down to 210 to 215 F. So no no
cooler needed. BUT I fly from 500 feet above sealevel to only 8500 ASL. It
may be different in the high mountains. That is something to be found out.
Jack Steele
C-FSNY
W8 Tailwind
Brockville, Ontario.
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i am putting the tank in my biplane and was wondering what to put between the stainless
straps and the alum. also between the
alum and the steel tube cross members.
Thanks,
Dennis in Chicago
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I think I used thin leather on N6PJ but I'll bet that thin tiedown strap material
would work just fine. Don't use anything that'll compress much with time in
place.
Lou
----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis Flamini
To: tailwind-list@matronics.c
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 6:18 PM
Subject: Tailwind-List: Fuel tank
i am putting the tank in my biplane and was wondering what to put between the
stainless straps and the alum. also between the
alum and the steel tube cross members.
Thanks,
Dennis in Chicago
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Dennis,
On my Sonnerai I cut up old bicycle inner tubes into strips and put them between
the straps and tubes and any supports that the tank rests on. I pulled the
sheet metal of the front end after 4 years so I could take a real good look
and everything looked like I just installed it. Pat Mc.
----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis Flamini
To: tailwind-list@matronics.c
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 5:18 PM
Subject: Tailwind-List: Fuel tank
i am putting the tank in my biplane and was wondering what to put between the
stainless straps and the alum. also between the
alum and the steel tube cross members.
Thanks,
Dennis in Chicago
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Are you the Pat that banner towed with my Pacer?
Dennis in Chicago
----- Original Message -----
From: patmc2002@sbcglobal.net
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 9:37 PM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Fuel tank
Dennis,
On my Sonnerai I cut up old bicycle inner tubes into strips and put them
between the straps and tubes and any supports that the tank rests on. I pulled
the sheet metal of the front end after 4 years so I could take a real good look
and everything looked like I just installed it. Pat Mc.
----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis Flamini
To: tailwind-list@matronics.c
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 5:18 PM
Subject: Tailwind-List: Fuel tank
i am putting the tank in my biplane and was wondering what to put between the
stainless straps and the alum. also between the
alum and the steel tube cross members.
Thanks,
Dennis in Chicago
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Dennis;
Spruce sells contoured rubber straps specifically for this purpose.
Bill Newkirk
----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis Flamini
To: tailwind-list@matronics.c
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 3:18 PM
Subject: Tailwind-List: Fuel tank
i am putting the tank in my biplane and was wondering what to put between the
stainless straps and the alum. also between the
alum and the steel tube cross members.
Thanks,
Dennis in Chicago
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