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1. 01:39 AM - Re: Colorado and Return (Fred Weaver)
2. 05:21 AM - Re: Repairs (Rich Ellis)
3. 07:36 AM - Re: Repairs Again (Lovelace)
4. 08:25 AM - Re: Repairs Again (Earl Luce)
5. 08:25 AM - Re: Repairs Again (Brian Alley)
6. 08:37 AM - Re: Repairs (Brian Alley)
7. 08:41 AM - Re: Repairs Again (Brian Alley)
8. 08:48 AM - Re: Colorado and Return (GORDON PARKER)
9. 04:37 PM - Re: Colorado and Return (Fred Weaver)
10. 06:54 PM - Re: Colorado and Return (GORDON PARKER)
11. 06:55 PM - Fw: Colorado and Return (GORDON PARKER)
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| Subject: | Re: Colorado and Return |
I have no idea what you are referring to.. I only made one trip to Colorado that
I recall and that was less than a year ago. I don't remember having any vibes
then at all.
----- Original Message -----
From: GORDON PARKER
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Colorado and Return
Weav-- That vibration you were talking about during your Colo.trip was that account
of the prop problem? Gordon
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Brian ......... "It was severly damaged in shipping".
Would you be willing to elaborate a little. WHAT
HAPPENED IN SHIPPING? OUCH!!! Rich
--- Brian Alley <n320wt@yahoo.com> wrote:
> As many of you know, I purchased Ted Leon's W-10
> project last fall. It was severly damaged in
> shipping
> with the verticle stab being crushed, the lift strut
> carry thru tube torn loose and several cross members
> in the bottom of the fuselage bent. Today, I started
> cutting away the bent structures. All of the
> verticle
> tail was removed except the tailpost. The damaged
> H-stab stub spar and the tubes that create the
> saddle
> in the fuselage sided were all cut out and
> discarded.
> I welded in a new cross member in the top of the
> fuselage where the leading edge of the verticle stab
> is attached as this was the only tube damaged in the
> top of the fuselage. It really felt great to have
> the
> torch in my hand again. I'll be fitting more tubing
> in
> the fuselage tommorrow.
>
>
> BRIAN ALLEY (N320WT)
> CARBON FIBER COMPOSITES
> 101 Caroline Circle
> Hurricane, WV 25526
> 304-562-6800 home
>
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Richard L. Ellis, M.D.
Gundersen Lutheran Health System
Co-Director
Norma J. Vinger Center for Breast Care
1900 South Avenue
La Crosse, WI 54601
800.362.9567, ext. 52102
rjrellis@yahoo.com
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| Subject: | Re: Repairs Again |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Lovelace" <mlovelace@woh.rr.com>
How did it get damaged like that?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Alley" <n320wt@yahoo.com>
<TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Repairs Again
> Sorry, I attached the wrong files.
>
> BRIAN ALLEY (N320WT)
> CARBON FIBER COMPOSITES
> 101 Caroline Circle
> Hurricane, WV 25526
> 304-562-6800 home
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> How are you going to win by a nose if you don't stick out your neck?
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| Subject: | Re: Repairs Again |
Brian,
Too bad about the damage on your project. I saw the picture you sent on the
horz/stab stub . It shouldn't of broke there ? It looks like the weld may have
been too hot and broke down the metal properties . Something you may want
to look into . Good luck.
Earl
Brian Alley <n320wt@yahoo.com> wrote:
Sorry, I attached the wrong files.
BRIAN ALLEY (N320WT)
CARBON FIBER COMPOSITES
101 Caroline Circle
Hurricane, WV 25526
304-562-6800 home
How are you going to win by a nose if you don't stick out your neck?
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| Subject: | Re: Repairs Again |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Brian Alley <n320wt@yahoo.com>
Total abuse and negligence. It had something heavy
fall on the tail. It had been dragged across concrete.
The pictures only showed the most severe dammage. The
fuselage was packed in foam tubing like you use to
insulate water pipes and then shrink wraped. The wings
were in a wood crate which had the ends ripped off.
The tips of the wing spars were dammaged. The shipping
company has refused to pay anything twice and now I'm
waiting for a date in Circuit Court.
BRIAN ALLEY (N320WT)
CARBON FIBER COMPOSITES
101 Caroline Circle
Hurricane, WV 25526
304-562-6800 home
How are you going to win by a nose if you don't stick out your neck?
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In addition to the stub spar, lift strut carry thru
tube and wing tip damage, the control stick torque
tube bearings were ground almost all the way thru
after being dragged across concrete. There are broken
tubes in the seat truss. Some minor abrasion to the
bottom of the gear socket tubes. Also, all of the
cross members in the bottom of the fuselage aft of the
seat truss were bent.
BRIAN ALLEY (N320WT)
CARBON FIBER COMPOSITES
101 Caroline Circle
Hurricane, WV 25526
304-562-6800 home
How are you going to win by a nose if you don't stick out your neck?
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Brian Alley <n320wt@yahoo.com>
Earl, If you look closely, you'll see that the tube
that reinforces the stub spar was not installed. Even
so, this was abuse pure and simple. With all of the
other damage, I don't know how you could call it
anything else.
BRIAN ALLEY (N320WT)
CARBON FIBER COMPOSITES
101 Caroline Circle
Hurricane, WV 25526
304-562-6800 home
How are you going to win by a nose if you don't stick out your neck?
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| Subject: | Re: Colorado and Return |
Seal-Send-Time: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 08:47:55 -0700
Fred-- the vibe I am referring to is the one you commented on in your report
on your Colo Trip (
I do have some sort of prop/spinner balance problem that has crept up on me.
It's not a mixture thing. Above 2500 rpm, I get a vibe that is driving me nuts
now.. Sometimes it smooths out above 2600 but you'd think the prop was going
to fling itself off before you get there. (AND remember what kind of terrain
I/we were flying over) I'm not sure what it is but will find it and report back.
I'm not sure if the alternator might not be the culprit but aside from the
prop/spinner combo, it's the only thing spinning up front. I've checked all fasteners
on the pipes etc and made sure nothing is touching the airframe and it
all looks just fine. Still runs nice and smooth below 2500. More on this stuff
later..)....
Have fun,
Weav
Just thought I would ask-- Gordon
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| Subject: | Re: Colorado and Return |
Gordon, this had to be on the trip home from Baraboo, picking it up. I stopped
in Colorado at RJ's...When was the email generated?
Anyway, there is a whole lot of things going on with respect to the prop. The
spinner alignment, the spinner support shaft that gets the little screw at the
front of the spinner, etc etc... It all starts with the prop.
If the prop isn't flawless, then everything else will contribute to the problem.
Weav
----- Original Message -----
From: GORDON PARKER
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Colorado and Return
Fred-- the vibe I am referring to is the one you commented on in your report
on your Colo Trip (
I do have some sort of prop/spinner balance problem that has crept up on me.
It's not a mixture thing. Above 2500 rpm, I get a vibe that is driving me nuts
now.. Sometimes it smooths out above 2600 but you'd think the prop was going
to fling itself off before you get there. (AND remember what kind of terrain
I/we were flying over) I'm not sure what it is but will find it and report
back. I'm not sure if the alternator might not be the culprit but aside from the
prop/spinner combo, it's the only thing spinning up front. I've checked all
fasteners on the pipes etc and made sure nothing is touching the airframe and
it all looks just fine. Still runs nice and smooth below 2500. More on this stuff
later..)....
Have fun,
Weav
Just thought I would ask-- Gordon
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| Subject: | Re: Colorado and Return |
Seal-Send-Time: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 18:53:32 -0700
Fred-- No I have reference to the trip where you took your friend to Colo.
to pick up an airplane. Where he paid for the gas so you could run full bore
all the way. Both ways I hope. I keep little notes like this in a separate file
for further reference. I bring it up and read it again from time to time.
Sounds so cool-- Gordon
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| Subject: | Colorado and Return |
Seal-Send-Time: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 18:55:12 -0700
Fred-- here is the original---- Gordon
----- Original Message -----
From: Fred Weaver<mailto:Mytyweav@earthlink.net>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Colorado and Return
Ok....first of all, no instrument panel pictures.. I was just too blown away
with the fantastic views we were taking in. A ride from here, direct to Colorado
Springs puts you on a course over terrain you will never forget. I don't know
if you guys have ever seen Bryce Canyon, or the Plateau's between there and
Halls Crossing. Or the mountains just north of Durango and east into Colorado
Springs....HOLY SMOKE!!! Not only are they really big and tall, they go for
miles!
Usually out here in California, when we cross the Sierra range, we feel like we
really cleared the "Big Ones".... Well, after the trip to "Springs", I can
assure you, the widest batch of Giant Ass Granite is the Rockies and all the other
stuff that Colorado dishes out. AND Pikes Peak really does stick WAY UP there
in the sky. It is gorgeous....
First of all...... Some of the parameters. I was taking a guy out to Colorado
Springs to pick up a new/used airplane. He didn't want to hassle with the airlines
and their crazy time schedule and security requirements. He would be covering
all expenses for the trip. In other words, I didn't have to fly with the
most economical power settings! We were trying to keep the time to a minimum,
at least I was. :) I did put the wheelpants back on the airplane the night
before we left.
The flight from O70/Westover to Colorado Springs can actually be made non stop
but we would not have hardly any reserve upon arrival. Since I hadn't been there
before, I elected to make a stop in Utah at a place I had been to returning
from Kansas. Delta, Utah was our stop on the way out to Co Springs. 451 miles,
2 hours 8 minutes on the watch, however 2.4 hours on the tach. Running the plane
at nearly WOT (Wide Open Throttle) gave us Manifold Pressure just over 19"
and RPM of 2525 while flying at 12,500 ft. Total fuel for the leg was 17.3 gallons.
8.12 gallons per hour @ 212 mph? Miles per Gallon, 26.07.....
Next leg was Delta to Co Springs. 420 miles, 2 hours 5 minutes (2.2 hrs Tach) ,
17.5 gallons, 201.6 mph, 24 MPG. Now....comments here are: Co Springs gave us
some vectors which did not allow us to fly direct...Turbulence on this leg also
and we had to slow down or get the crap knocked out of us. The descent portion
of the flight couldn't be flown outside the Yellow arc, I had to keep it under
175 mph indicated ( remember 12,500 and about 10 degrees C) Still it wasn't
too bad. Total time for trip out... 4 hours 13 minutes, total fuel 34.8 gallons,
Total Miles 871, Miles Per Gallon 25, two takeoffs to 12,500 ft....
Return trip had weather to deal with. The route I ended up taking out of Co Springs
took me south until I could clear the Verga before I could even come close
to heading west towards home. I went south for about 35 miles before heading
towards Durango which had decent skies. Man, I gotta tell you, there are some
big ass mountains out there and they are awesome. The views were exceptional
and to me, intimidating..... BTW, the route we had taken going in looked good
sorta BUT, there were mountain tops obscurred in the clouds along with verga
in several areas. I elected not to go that way because ceilings were collapsing
and I didn't want to get trapped out there where only some animals would find
me...... RJ, you know what I am talking about.............
Anyway, I met my buddy who had left several hours earlier in Cedar City, Utah (CDC)
after flying to Durango to clear weather. We tried to find each other out
near Bryce Canyon but to no avail. We could talk on the radio but he couldn't
give me bearing and distance to CDC accurately and both of us were flying around
a Thunderstorm there trying to get to CDC. I more than covered the 493 miles
along this route, 2 hours 55 minutes, 169 mph(can we say headwinds?) 22.6 gallons,
7.8 gph, 22 mpg. Anyway, I'm loving the fact that I'm burning HIS gas.....hahahhahaha....
And again, if any of you have an opportunity to fly between
Durango and Bryce Canyon, you will never forget the gorgeous scenery... Bright
Reds like Sedona, AZ and miniature areas like the Grand Canyon. Just awesome.........
Lastly, my leg from CDC to home (O70) took me 2 hours 10 minutes. 192 mph, Fuel
used 18.7 gallons (can you tell where the throttle was?) Distance was 421 miles
and definitely still into the wind and around a few TS's... 22.5 mpg....
Total time for the trip from Co Springs 5 hrs 5 minutes, total fuel 41.3 gallons,
Total miles at least 914, 22.13 average mpg...
Now....some of the things I tried.. I did try to lean until the engine roughened
some, then slid it back in just a tiny bit, still just a little rough, and
then tried the carb heat thing. I believe it did smooth out some and ran pretty
good at 2500 rpm. I want to try this some more with a digital tach to really
see what it does. I also tried bringing the throttle back to 18" to see if the
rpm would stay up where it was by leaning more.... Hoping to go just as fast.
Not too much luck there but kept the rpms just under 2500. I would really
like to try a fuel injected setup on this airplane/engine combo. I think a more
accurate distribution of the fuel would provide better results. Just a thought
and maybe a goal.....
I do have some sort of prop/spinner balance problem that has crept up on me. It's
not a mixture thing. Above 2500 rpm, I get a vibe that is driving me nuts
now.. Sometimes it smooths out above 2600 but you'd think the prop was going
to fling itself off before you get there. (AND remember what kind of terrain I/we
were flying over) I'm not sure what it is but will find it and report back.
I'm not sure if the alternator might not be the culprit but aside from the prop/spinner
combo, it's the only thing spinning up front. I've checked all fasteners
on the pipes etc and made sure nothing is touching the airframe and it
all looks just fine. Still runs nice and smooth below 2500. More on this stuff
later......
Have fun,
Weav
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