---------------------------------------------------------- Tailwind-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 05/02/05:7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:19 AM - Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] (dralle@matronics.com) 2. 04:18 AM - Re: Stub spar (Malcolm.Lovelace@coopertools.com) 3. 01:46 PM - Re: Repairs Again (Woods) 4. 02:40 PM - Re: Repairs Again (Kayberg@aol.com) 5. 06:10 PM - Re: Repairs Again (Brian Alley) 6. 07:21 PM - [ Dennis Vest ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares) 7. 08:04 PM - Re: Stub spar (Brian Alley) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:19:47 AM PST US From: dralle@matronics.com Subject: Tailwind-List: Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] DNA: do not archive --> Tailwind-List message posted by: dralle@matronics.com Dear Lister, Please read over the Tailwind-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete Tailwind-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Tailwind-List.FAQ.html Thank you, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ****************************************************************************** Tailwind-List Usage Guidelines ****************************************************************************** The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Tailwind-List. You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein. 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"Way to go!", "I agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large. - When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly contribute something valuable. - Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing. ------- [This is an automated posting.] ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:18:43 AM PST US From: Malcolm.Lovelace@coopertools.com Subject: RE: Tailwind-List: Stub spar --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Malcolm.Lovelace@CooperTools.com Brian, On the last 2 H stab stubs I installed they both moved some. The majority of the weld is on top so it will pull up. I just take the torch and heat and pull back were it should be. I also take a piece of 1/16 plate and make a gusset to fit across the bottom of the tube and weld that in. I am not sure it is necessary but you don't have to get so crazy in welding around the top and the sides hoping that it holds. Malcolm > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Alley [SMTP:n320wt@yahoo.com] > Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 10:34 PM > To: tailwind list T-wind; TailwindForum > Subject: Tailwind-List: Stub spar > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Brian Alley > > I welded in the H-stab stub spar today, man what a > job. After everything cooled, I measured the angles > and found that the right side was turned up 1.5 deg. > Has anyone else had this much misalignment? Is this > something I can heat and bend back into level? I used > the 1.00X.049 tube inside the 1.125 tube and ovaled > both in the vise. The tube was straight before I > welded it into the fuselage. > > BRIAN ALLEY (N320WT) > CARBON FIBER COMPOSITES > 101 Caroline Circle > Hurricane, WV 25526 > 304-562-6800 home > > > How are you going to win by a nose if you don't stick out your neck? > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:46:53 PM PST US From: "Woods" Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Repairs Again --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Woods" Who was the shipping company? I guess I wouldn't want to use them for anything! Don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Alley" Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Repairs Again > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Brian Alley > > Total abuse and negligence. It had something heavy > fall on the tail. It had been dragged across concrete. > The pictures only showed the most severe dammage. The > fuselage was packed in foam tubing like you use to > insulate water pipes and then shrink wraped. The wings > were in a wood crate which had the ends ripped off. > The tips of the wing spars were dammaged. The shipping > company has refused to pay anything twice and now I'm > waiting for a date in Circuit Court. > > BRIAN ALLEY (N320WT) > CARBON FIBER COMPOSITES > 101 Caroline Circle > Hurricane, WV 25526 > 304-562-6800 home > > > How are you going to win by a nose if you don't stick out your neck? > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:40:00 PM PST US From: Kayberg@aol.com Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Repairs Again In a message dated 5/2/2005 4:47:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dew@powerweb.net writes: Who was the shipping company? I guess I wouldn't want to use them for anything! Don Yes, Who was the shipper and the carrier? I spend thousands of dollars every year to ship airplane kits across the country; I would be happy to not use certain carriers....and would have no bones about letting them know. Doug Koenigsberg SkyRanger Aircraft Company "A Passion for Sport Flying!" ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:10:40 PM PST US s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=jNNZVdlm/tAtNf1CwxO3letcloUJ/DHqxRA9o476wOtSYet1TrukE+b78MF+ypoWUr+l0iJedkgCBTlDPSVeWuiakguvF3H2wIbjf4Zd+qTW52vemp85ZrDdrrvC9OolY8YeVi6SmW1S5EKNW5wZDgrkhNOnIbl9r29tTUaqByQ= ; From: Brian Alley Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Repairs Again --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Brian Alley The shipper was SAIA and locally in WV Tri-State Express. BRIAN ALLEY (N320WT) CARBON FIBER COMPOSITES 101 Caroline Circle Hurricane, WV 25526 304-562-6800 home How are you going to win by a nose if you don't stick out your neck? ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:21:24 PM PST US Subject: Tailwind-List: [ Dennis Vest ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! From: Email List Photo Shares --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares A new Email List Photo Share is available: Poster: Dennis Vest Lists: Tailwind-List Subject: Tailwind http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/shorbird@msn.com.05.02.2005/index.html o Main Photo Share Index http://www.matronics.com/photoshare o Submitting a Photo Share If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the following information along with your email message and files: 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: 2) Your Full Name: 3) Your Email Address: 4) One line Subject description: 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: Email the information above and your files and photos to: pictures@matronics.com ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:04:21 PM PST US s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=05lX1HW1NaZ9wuR1OtYrahIGbm8qZe8pGTZ0NQ0oOBNVtFDs9hv2T5ufR3d7T8i1iPt29/7cIzyV11GbZThsM9jW/HTwjgW8doFPg0sS1xIuuajKDuLj6cbq0KhQv82yVUBI3ku738+d9sT5Vpq1yyDNVQbLAiH0VhYRZ1UlhCI= ; From: Brian Alley Subject: RE: Tailwind-List: Stub spar --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Brian Alley Malcom, I worked on it some this evening and got it very close. I clamped a 1" steel bar to the underside of the spar and heated the welds to dull red and let it cool. After removing the clamps and bar it sprang back .5 deg. A little more work and I'll have it straight. I considered a strap under the spar, could you post a picture sometime. I also found that the builder had not straightened the tailpost and the rudder was touching the tailpost at the upper longerons. A little heat and pressure and it's back where it belongs. BRIAN ALLEY (N320WT) CARBON FIBER COMPOSITES 101 Caroline Circle Hurricane, WV 25526 304-562-6800 home How are you going to win by a nose if you don't stick out your neck?