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| Subject: | Re: Empty Weight |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: George Turner <tailwind222@yahoo.com>
Red: What was the empty weight of your W-10?
George
--- red <redswing@mcn.org> wrote:
> Jane does not get to go?
> Who is Rex and where is he based? I'm assuming
> that Dennis sold his Tailwind to him. If so,
> I'd say he got a good one.
> Red
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: DaveM
> To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 1:31 PM
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Re: Jim C and
> your plane
>
>
> Yes it was the red T-18--it was nice.
>
> Dennis is still working on radio, intercom
> and other little stuff. His transmitter was
> not working right when we flew into Golden
> West, so we flew as flight of 2 and I did the
> radio communications. He could hear fine
> apparently, but was just a hum on transmit.
>
> I think Dennis is supposed to deliver the
> Tailwind soon and teach Rex how to fly it off
> his runway. No he cannot keep up at WOT, but
> his prop is overpitched--he needs to have it
> worked on to allow the engine to turn up more.
> Even then, I don't think he could quite keep
> up, but it may be a lot closer. When we flew
> down to Arizona earlier this year he was using
> more fuel too, but that may have been due to
> the engine only having just a few hours since
> overhaul.
>
> We will have to start inquiring the Fresno
> guys as to when we will hold the West Coast
> Tailwind fly-in this year.....
>
> Look forward to hearing what N168X weighs,
> and your trip report to/from Baraboo!
>
> Danner and I are off to England, Italy and
> Switzerland next week.
>
> Dave
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Fred Weaver
> To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 10:13 AM
> Subject: Tailwind-List: Re: Jim C and your
> plane
>
>
> Seems to me, it took us about 35 minutes or
> so to Placerville and that included the
> taxiing.. We waited for the cluster to
> lighten up a little, then we took off on the
> Ultralight runway.. I hung out there in
> Placerville for awhile before flying the other
> 13 minutes to Westover.
>
> The T18 was the Red one? I followed him
> into MYV that morning. Nice looking plane.
>
> Is Dennis almost finished with Jerome's
> airplane? Rex is waiting for the annual? to be
> done?.... BTW, can Dennis keep up with you at
> full power?
>
> See you soon,
> Weav
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: DaveM
> To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 6:13 AM
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Re: Jim C and
> your plane
>
>
> It was good to see you at Golden West. I
> was looking for you later in the day, but ended
> up talking a while with the guy from Shasta
> with the only T-18 there. Dennis and I left
> right after the airshow, after the controller
> left us cooking on the taxi way for what seemed
> like about 20 minutes, while he let scores of
> aircraft take off from the other intersections.
> Had a good time though. How long did it take
> you to get back in that Rans?
>
> Dave
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Fred Weaver
> To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 11:25 AM
> Subject: Tailwind-List: Re: Jim C and
> your plane
>
>
> Dave.... I will weigh it before I go
> to Baraboo. I'm finally getting my stuff
> cleaned up and hope to finish the annual in a
> couple of weeks. At my speed, that will take
> about a month since I screw around so much.
> Weav
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: DaveM
> To: TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com
> Cc: Tailwind list
> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 11:13 AM
> Subject: Tailwind-List: Re:
> [TailwindForum] Jim C and your plane
>
>
> Jim:
> I don't know what Fred's plane
> (N168X) weighs, but N168A (a trike for those
> who don't know) weighs 942# empty (with oil).
> 896# seems reasonably light, and certainly
> within normal expectations. It does seem like
> your prop should turn up some more. I can get
> almost 2900 RPM @WOT at 2500' in cooler temps
> with the Aymar Demuth prop on N168A, and will
> be doing around 205-207+/- MPH (true).
> Dave
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jim Clement
> To: TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 10:58
> AM
> Subject: Re: [TailwindForum] Jim C
> and your plane
>
>
> The empty weight came out somewhat
> heavy at 896 pounds. The prop is a Felix
> 68 X 76 pitch. The performance of
> the prop did not match the numbers as it
> would only static 2000 rpm at best
> and required a lot of changes to get
> satisfactory results. Still not
> real happy with it.
> The numbers below might be about 3
> mph fast but close, more testing seems to
> come closer to 187-188 mph @ 2500'
> 23" mp. 2500. rpm. Top speed seems to
> vary between 204 - 207 mph. Jim
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Guido von Allmen"
> <lapulce@freesurf.ch>
> To: <TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 12:04
> PM
> Subject: Re: [TailwindForum] Jim C
> and your plane
>
>
> > Thanks a lot for these
> interesting data Jim. May I ask what are the
> > numbers of the prop you are using
> and what was the weight of the plane.
> > Thanks again.
> > Guido
> >
> > On May 7, 2005, at 3:16 AM, Jim
> Clement wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Here are a few numbers, speeds
> are two way average using GPS in MPH.
> >>
> >> 2500', 2500rpm, 23" mp about
> 190. ias181 mph
> >> 2500', 2600rpm, 24.75 mp,
> 195mph, ias 187 mph
> >> These numbers might not be
> accurate because it has been so bumpy down
> >> low
> >> it is hard to hold altitude or
> write numbers down.
> >>
> >> 4000', 2600rpm, 23"mp, 195mph.
> ias 180 mph
> >> 4000', 2625-2650 rpm, full
> throttle, 25'' mp, 203 mph, ias 192 mph
> >>
> >> 8000', 2600 rpm full throttle,
> 21" mp,203 mph, ias 172 mph
> >>
> >> Climb from 4000' to 8000'
> about1300 fpm @150 mph.
> >> Temp estimated at 50F
> >> Top speed is somewhat slow but
> cruise at lower power settings seem the
> >> be
> >> good. More rpm might pick up the
> top
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| Subject: | Re: Jim C and your plane |
Oh yes, Jane is going, in fact she has already packed (and I haven't started)!
Good thing too, I hope she will remember all the things I will likely forget.
Rex is out of Oregon. Long time pilot, has his own strip. I met him once when
he came down to look at our tailwinds, but he wanted the W-10 even though priced
much higher--I agree it is a good plane.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: red
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Re: Jim C and your plane
Jane does not get to go?
Who is Rex and where is he based? I'm assuming that Dennis sold his Tailwind
to him. If so, I'd say he got a good one.
Red
----- Original Message -----
From: DaveM
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Re: Jim C and your plane
Yes it was the red T-18--it was nice.
Dennis is still working on radio, intercom and other little stuff. His transmitter
was not working right when we flew into Golden West, so we flew as flight
of 2 and I did the radio communications. He could hear fine apparently,
but was just a hum on transmit.
I think Dennis is supposed to deliver the Tailwind soon and teach Rex how to
fly it off his runway. No he cannot keep up at WOT, but his prop is overpitched--he
needs to have it worked on to allow the engine to turn up more. Even
then, I don't think he could quite keep up, but it may be a lot closer. When
we flew down to Arizona earlier this year he was using more fuel too, but that
may have been due to the engine only having just a few hours since overhaul.
We will have to start inquiring the Fresno guys as to when we will hold the
West Coast Tailwind fly-in this year.....
Look forward to hearing what N168X weighs, and your trip report to/from Baraboo!
Danner and I are off to England, Italy and Switzerland next week.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Fred Weaver
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 10:13 AM
Subject: Tailwind-List: Re: Jim C and your plane
Seems to me, it took us about 35 minutes or so to Placerville and that included
the taxiing.. We waited for the cluster to lighten up a little, then
we took off on the Ultralight runway.. I hung out there in Placerville for awhile
before flying the other 13 minutes to Westover.
The T18 was the Red one? I followed him into MYV that morning. Nice looking
plane.
Is Dennis almost finished with Jerome's airplane? Rex is waiting for the
annual? to be done?.... BTW, can Dennis keep up with you at full power?
See you soon,
Weav
----- Original Message -----
From: DaveM
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 6:13 AM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Re: Jim C and your plane
It was good to see you at Golden West. I was looking for you later in
the day, but ended up talking a while with the guy from Shasta with the only T-18
there. Dennis and I left right after the airshow, after the controller left
us cooking on the taxi way for what seemed like about 20 minutes, while he
let scores of aircraft take off from the other intersections. Had a good time
though. How long did it take you to get back in that Rans?
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Fred Weaver
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 11:25 AM
Subject: Tailwind-List: Re: Jim C and your plane
Dave.... I will weigh it before I go to Baraboo. I'm finally getting
my stuff cleaned up and hope to finish the annual in a couple of weeks. At my
speed, that will take about a month since I screw around so much.
Weav
----- Original Message -----
From: DaveM
To: TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Tailwind list
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 11:13 AM
Subject: Tailwind-List: Re: [TailwindForum] Jim C and your plane
Jim:
I don't know what Fred's plane (N168X) weighs, but N168A (a trike for
those who don't know) weighs 942# empty (with oil). 896# seems reasonably
light, and certainly within normal expectations. It does seem like your prop
should turn up some more. I can get almost 2900 RPM @WOT at 2500' in cooler temps
with the Aymar Demuth prop on N168A, and will be doing around 205-207+/-
MPH (true).
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Clement
To: TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [TailwindForum] Jim C and your plane
The empty weight came out somewhat heavy at 896 pounds. The prop
is a Felix
68 X 76 pitch. The performance of the prop did not match the numbers
as it
would only static 2000 rpm at best and required a lot of changes
to get
satisfactory results. Still not real happy with it.
The numbers below might be about 3 mph fast but close, more testing
seems to
come closer to 187-188 mph @ 2500' 23" mp. 2500. rpm. Top speed
seems to
vary between 204 - 207 mph. Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Guido von Allmen" <lapulce@freesurf.ch>
To: <TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 12:04 PM
Subject: Re: [TailwindForum] Jim C and your plane
> Thanks a lot for these interesting data Jim. May I ask what are
the
> numbers of the prop you are using and what was the weight of the
plane.
> Thanks again.
> Guido
>
> On May 7, 2005, at 3:16 AM, Jim Clement wrote:
>
>>
>> Here are a few numbers, speeds are two way average using GPS in
MPH.
>>
>> 2500', 2500rpm, 23" mp about 190. ias181 mph
>> 2500', 2600rpm, 24.75 mp, 195mph, ias 187 mph
>> These numbers might not be accurate because it has been so bumpy
down
>> low
>> it is hard to hold altitude or write numbers down.
>>
>> 4000', 2600rpm, 23"mp, 195mph. ias 180 mph
>> 4000', 2625-2650 rpm, full throttle, 25'' mp, 203 mph, ias 192
mph
>>
>> 8000', 2600 rpm full throttle, 21" mp,203 mph, ias 172 mph
>>
>> Climb from 4000' to 8000' about1300 fpm @150 mph.
>> Temp estimated at 50F
>> Top speed is somewhat slow but cruise at lower power settings
seem the
>> be
>> good. More rpm might pick up the top some but I am going to leave
>> things
>> alone and see what happens when it gets hot high density altitudes.
>> Jim
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> The Tailwind Forum group site is:
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TailwindForum
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Empty Weight |
George,
It was 848, if I have been keeping track correctly, it is 858 now.
Red
----- Original Message -----
From: George Turner
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 5:57 AM
Subject: Tailwind-List: Re: Empty Weight
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: George Turner <tailwind222@yahoo.com>
Red: What was the empty weight of your W-10?
George
--- red <redswing@mcn.org> wrote:
> Jane does not get to go?
> Who is Rex and where is he based? I'm assuming
> that Dennis sold his Tailwind to him. If so,
> I'd say he got a good one.
> Red
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: DaveM
> To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 1:31 PM
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Re: Jim C and
> your plane
>
>
> Yes it was the red T-18--it was nice.
>
> Dennis is still working on radio, intercom
> and other little stuff. His transmitter was
> not working right when we flew into Golden
> West, so we flew as flight of 2 and I did the
> radio communications. He could hear fine
> apparently, but was just a hum on transmit.
>
> I think Dennis is supposed to deliver the
> Tailwind soon and teach Rex how to fly it off
> his runway. No he cannot keep up at WOT, but
> his prop is overpitched--he needs to have it
> worked on to allow the engine to turn up more.
> Even then, I don't think he could quite keep
> up, but it may be a lot closer. When we flew
> down to Arizona earlier this year he was using
> more fuel too, but that may have been due to
> the engine only having just a few hours since
> overhaul.
>
> We will have to start inquiring the Fresno
> guys as to when we will hold the West Coast
> Tailwind fly-in this year.....
>
> Look forward to hearing what N168X weighs,
> and your trip report to/from Baraboo!
>
> Danner and I are off to England, Italy and
> Switzerland next week.
>
> Dave
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Fred Weaver
> To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 10:13 AM
> Subject: Tailwind-List: Re: Jim C and your
> plane
>
>
> Seems to me, it took us about 35 minutes or
> so to Placerville and that included the
> taxiing.. We waited for the cluster to
> lighten up a little, then we took off on the
> Ultralight runway.. I hung out there in
> Placerville for awhile before flying the other
> 13 minutes to Westover.
>
> The T18 was the Red one? I followed him
> into MYV that morning. Nice looking plane.
>
> Is Dennis almost finished with Jerome's
> airplane? Rex is waiting for the annual? to be
> done?.... BTW, can Dennis keep up with you at
> full power?
>
> See you soon,
> Weav
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: DaveM
> To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 6:13 AM
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Re: Jim C and
> your plane
>
>
> It was good to see you at Golden West. I
> was looking for you later in the day, but ended
> up talking a while with the guy from Shasta
> with the only T-18 there. Dennis and I left
> right after the airshow, after the controller
> left us cooking on the taxi way for what seemed
> like about 20 minutes, while he let scores of
> aircraft take off from the other intersections.
> Had a good time though. How long did it take
> you to get back in that Rans?
>
> Dave
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Fred Weaver
> To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 11:25 AM
> Subject: Tailwind-List: Re: Jim C and
> your plane
>
>
> Dave.... I will weigh it before I go
> to Baraboo. I'm finally getting my stuff
> cleaned up and hope to finish the annual in a
> couple of weeks. At my speed, that will take
> about a month since I screw around so much.
> Weav
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: DaveM
> To: TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com
> Cc: Tailwind list
> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 11:13 AM
> Subject: Tailwind-List: Re:
> [TailwindForum] Jim C and your plane
>
>
> Jim:
> I don't know what Fred's plane
> (N168X) weighs, but N168A (a trike for those
> who don't know) weighs 942# empty (with oil).
> 896# seems reasonably light, and certainly
> within normal expectations. It does seem like
> your prop should turn up some more. I can get
> almost 2900 RPM @WOT at 2500' in cooler temps
> with the Aymar Demuth prop on N168A, and will
> be doing around 205-207+/- MPH (true).
> Dave
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jim Clement
> To: TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 10:58
> AM
> Subject: Re: [TailwindForum] Jim C
> and your plane
>
>
> The empty weight came out somewhat
> heavy at 896 pounds. The prop is a Felix
> 68 X 76 pitch. The performance of
> the prop did not match the numbers as it
> would only static 2000 rpm at best
> and required a lot of changes to get
> satisfactory results. Still not
> real happy with it.
> The numbers below might be about 3
> mph fast but close, more testing seems to
> come closer to 187-188 mph @ 2500'
> 23" mp. 2500. rpm. Top speed seems to
> vary between 204 - 207 mph. Jim
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Guido von Allmen"
> <lapulce@freesurf.ch>
> To: <TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 12:04
> PM
> Subject: Re: [TailwindForum] Jim C
> and your plane
>
>
> > Thanks a lot for these
> interesting data Jim. May I ask what are the
> > numbers of the prop you are using
> and what was the weight of the plane.
> > Thanks again.
> > Guido
> >
> > On May 7, 2005, at 3:16 AM, Jim
> Clement wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Here are a few numbers, speeds
> are two way average using GPS in MPH.
> >>
> >> 2500', 2500rpm, 23" mp about
> 190. ias181 mph
> >> 2500', 2600rpm, 24.75 mp,
> 195mph, ias 187 mph
> >> These numbers might not be
> accurate because it has been so bumpy down
> >> low
> >> it is hard to hold altitude or
> write numbers down.
> >>
> >> 4000', 2600rpm, 23"mp, 195mph.
> ias 180 mph
> >> 4000', 2625-2650 rpm, full
> throttle, 25'' mp, 203 mph, ias 192 mph
> >>
> >> 8000', 2600 rpm full throttle,
> 21" mp,203 mph, ias 172 mph
> >>
> >> Climb from 4000' to 8000'
> about1300 fpm @150 mph.
> >> Temp estimated at 50F
> >> Top speed is somewhat slow but
> cruise at lower power settings seem the
> >> be
> >> good. More rpm might pick up the
> top
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