---------------------------------------------------------- Tailwind-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 07/16/05: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:20 AM - Re: New Wing Tips (R. Saarinen) 2. 05:59 AM - Re: New Wing Tips (William Bernard) 3. 06:05 AM - Re: New Wing Tips (William Bernard) 4. 06:38 AM - Re: New Wing Tips (William Bernard) 5. 09:08 AM - Re: New Wing Tips (Fred Weaver) 6. 09:13 AM - Re: New Wing Tips 2 (Fred Weaver) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:20:23 AM PST US From: "R. Saarinen" Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: New Wing Tips G'Day Bill, Would you be able to please send me more details of your new tips, the over all length, & a few photos from different angles, they look extra Good. Regards & thanks Ron Saarinen ----- Original Message ----- From: William Bernard To: tailwind-list@matronics.com ; TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 10:53 PM Subject: Tailwind-List: New Wing Tips Just thought I'd share a photo of the new wing tips I built for my Tailwind. Now the metal wing looks more like the wooden one. Hope to see you all at Baraboo! Bill N40WB New 'Long Wing' Tailwind ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:59:49 AM PST US From: "William Bernard" Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: New Wing Tips --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "William Bernard" Bruce, they were made moldless, a la rutan vari- long-exe methods. Be happy to explain it all. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce E. Butts" Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: New Wing Tips > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Bruce E. Butts" > > Hey Bill, > Rich Ellis & I are contemplating making the same kind of tips. Did you make a mold or do moldless? I want to hear all about it @ Baraboo. See you on 7/23 l > > > Bruce E. Butts > N525WT > Sent from my > Treo 650 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: William Bernard > Subj: Tailwind-List: New Wing Tips > Date: Fri Jul 15, 2005 8.54 am > Size: 805 bytes > To: tailwind-list@matronics.com, TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com > > Just thought I'd share a photo of the new wing tips I built for my Tailwind. Now the metal wing looks more like the wooden one. > > Hope to see you all at Baraboo! > > Bill > N40WB > New 'Long Wing' Tailwind > > > -- > > -- ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:05:24 AM PST US From: "William Bernard" Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: New Wing Tips --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "William Bernard" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich Ellis" Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: New Wing Tips > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Rich Ellis > > Bill, > > Q1: What performance difference are you recording with > your new tapered wingtips? > A1: Not much that I've noticed so far. There does seem to be increased roll stability, with a much reduced tendency to roll from side to side in turbulence. Speeds seem about the same, including Power off stall. > Q2: What is your new wing span? > A2: The new tips are 28 inches wide as opposed to 11 inches for the older ones. The span increases by 17 inches per wing (34 inches total) which should be something like 26' 10". > Q3: Did you purchase from John Chmura? > A3: No I didn't. I made them myself. John didn't seem too interested in my offer to buy a set. Besides, I wanted a project. The whole thing took about 3 weeks, including painting. > Looks good and eager to see close up at Baraboo > (although I will be coming to SPI this coming Mon-Wed > to visit family - may give you a call). Rich > Please do. Bill > --- William Bernard > wrote: > > > Just thought I'd share a photo of the new wing tips > > I built for my Tailwind. Now the metal wing looks > > more like the wooden one. > > > > Hope to see you all at Baraboo! > > > > Bill > > N40WB > > New 'Long Wing' Tailwind> No virus found in this > outgoing message. > > Release Date: 7/14/05 > > > > > Richard L. Ellis, M.D. > Gundersen Lutheran Health System > Co-Director > Norma J. Vinger Center for Breast Care > 1900 South Avenue > La Crosse, WI 54601 > 800.362.9567, ext. 52102 > rjrellis@yahoo.com > > > __________________________________ > Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: > http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html > > > -- > > -- ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:38:16 AM PST US From: "William Bernard" Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: New Wing Tips Ron, if you've been following some of my other replies, the tips were built from styrofoam cores, using Aeropoxy epoxy resin. The basic technic is the same as used on the Rutan designed wings for the -Eze's, Quickies, etc. There was a Long-Eze builder a couple of hangars away who still had his hot wire setup, so this was why the method was chosen. I've attached a couple of photos of the work in progress showing the cores and also a top view of the installation. Sorry about the large file sizes. I hadn't planned on e-mailing these photos. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: R. Saarinen To: tailwind-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 2:19 AM Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: New Wing Tips G'Day Bill, Would you be able to please send me more details of your new tips, the over all length, & a few photos from different angles, they look extra Good. Regards & thanks Ron Saarinen ----- Original Message ----- From: William Bernard To: tailwind-list@matronics.com ; TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 10:53 PM Subject: Tailwind-List: New Wing Tips Just thought I'd share a photo of the new wing tips I built for my Tailwind. Now the metal wing looks more like the wooden one. Hope to see you all at Baraboo! Bill N40WB New 'Long Wing' Tailwind ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:08:35 AM PST US From: "Fred Weaver" Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: New Wing Tips --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver" Bill.... Did you see an increase in rate of climb? And did you figure out how much weight they added? Bet you're glad you have em... :) Weav ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Bernard" Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: New Wing Tips > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "William Bernard" > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rich Ellis" > To: > Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 8:18 AM > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: New Wing Tips > > > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Rich Ellis > > > > Bill, > > > > Q1: What performance difference are you recording with > > your new tapered wingtips? > > > A1: Not much that I've noticed so far. There does seem to be increased roll > stability, with a much reduced tendency to roll from side to side in > turbulence. Speeds seem about the same, including Power off stall. > > Q2: What is your new wing span? > > > A2: The new tips are 28 inches wide as opposed to 11 inches for the older > ones. The span increases by 17 inches per wing (34 inches total) which > should be something like 26' 10". > > > Q3: Did you purchase from John Chmura? > > > A3: No I didn't. I made them myself. John didn't seem too interested in my > offer to buy a set. Besides, I wanted a project. The whole thing took about > 3 weeks, including painting. > > > Looks good and eager to see close up at Baraboo > > (although I will be coming to SPI this coming Mon-Wed > > to visit family - may give you a call). Rich > > > Please do. > > Bill > > --- William Bernard > > wrote: > > > > > Just thought I'd share a photo of the new wing tips > > > I built for my Tailwind. Now the metal wing looks > > > more like the wooden one. > > > > > > Hope to see you all at Baraboo! > > > > > > Bill > > > N40WB > > > New 'Long Wing' Tailwind> No virus found in this > > outgoing message. > > > Release Date: 7/14/05 > > > > > > > > > Richard L. Ellis, M.D. > > Gundersen Lutheran Health System > > Co-Director > > Norma J. Vinger Center for Breast Care > > 1900 South Avenue > > La Crosse, WI 54601 > > 800.362.9567, ext. 52102 > > rjrellis@yahoo.com > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: > > http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > -- > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:13:16 AM PST US From: "Fred Weaver" Subject: Tailwind-List: Re: New Wing Tips 2 Forgot to ask...... Are you sure you used enough screws to hold them on? And, did you utilize the old stub spar to attach to any type of internal spar/shearweb? The pictures looked great. Weav ----- Original Message ----- From: William Bernard To: tailwind-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 6:24 AM Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: New Wing Tips Ron, if you've been following some of my other replies, the tips were built from styrofoam cores, using Aeropoxy epoxy resin. The basic technic is the same as used on the Rutan designed wings for the -Eze's, Quickies, etc. There was a Long-Eze builder a couple of hangars away who still had his hot wire setup, so this was why the method was chosen. I've attached a couple of photos of the work in progress showing the cores and also a top view of the installation. Sorry about the large file sizes. I hadn't planned on e-mailing these photos. Bill