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1. 12:02 AM - Re: New Starter (bob milligan)
2. 12:11 AM - Re: New Starter (Steven Jackson)
3. 04:57 AM - Starter (Philip K. Works)
4. 07:07 AM - Re: Overhaul Update (flyv35b)
5. 07:09 AM - Re: New Starter (flyv35b)
6. 09:38 AM - Re: Starter (flyv35b)
7. 10:40 AM - Re: New Starter (Aucountry@aol.com)
8. 10:40 AM - Re: New Starter (Aucountry@aol.com)
9. 10:43 AM - Re: Overhaul Update (Aucountry@aol.com)
10. 10:49 AM - Re: Tiger Loading (Aucountry@aol.com)
11. 11:00 AM - Re: Re: Tiger Loading (Gil Alexander)
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--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: bob milligan <flyer.bob@verizon.net>
on 7/26/03 8:08 PM, Steven Jackson at steven.jackson14@adelphia.net wrote:
> --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "Steven Jackson"
> <steven.jackson14@adelphia.net>
>
> Once the engine is breathing gas and air again, I'll need a new starter
> after today's find. I know the Sky-Tec is favored by many, but I thought I
> remembered someone saying that the nose bowl may have to be modified for it
> to fit. Any recommendations/experience would be welcome.
>
> Steven Jackson
> N1434R
> L22
> Yucca Valley, CA
>
>
>
>
>
>
Sorry to be so repetitive, but again, Performance Aero did not go with the
Sky-Tec, for the very reason you mentioned. The required modification to
the front baffle is much greater.
Call Ron and ask him about it.
Bob
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--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "Steven Jackson" <steven.jackson14@adelphia.net>
Thanks Bob,
I've actually gotten conflicting word on this one--perhaps the other guy
didn't have an O-320 under his cowl. Perhaps I should just post on the Gang
and find out what Les Staples has to say. I'll also give Ron a call as well
and see what he recommends.
Steve
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--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "Philip K. Works" <pkworks@mac.com>
Steve,
I have the Sky-Tec (installed at overhaul in Oct 2001) and I think it
does a great job. The only mod necessary is to alter the baffle
material around it. By the way, Fletch has a heavy duty starter
bracket. Cracks in the stock bracket seem to be pretty common.
Phil
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| Subject: | Re: Overhaul Update |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "flyv35b" <flyv35b@juno.com>
Every problem I've had so far was a result of bad "shade tree" maintenance
in the past and I'm not about to take anymore chances. It'll be nice to
finally know that the folks looking at my repairs no what they're doing.
Mike, my A&P is pretty much beside himself as we disassemble. (He wasn't
the prepurchase or last annual mechanic).
Steven Jackson
N1434R
L22
Yucca Valley, CA
Oh the delimas of a new owner and the "first annual". How often we hear
these same kind of stories.
I did an annual on a Cheetah this spring and to the owners surprise (and
mine) I found a dented in wing spar due to a past accident that nothing had
been ever said about and the plane was just purchased with a new annual
(from the selling dealer)! Furthermore, there was plenty of evidence (a
hugh ughly patch about 3 ft long on the bottom of the wing) to raise
suspecion and the owner never pulled the wingtip off to take a look inside!
Needless to say the wing panel had to be replaced at considerable expense.
There truly is a great deal of sloppy maintenance and no maintenance at all.
Your best insurance is to find the very best and most conscientious mechanic
you can and pay him all the money he wants (if he is truly conscientious it
will be fair), and tell him to maintain the plane like he would if it was
his own.
Cliff A&P/IA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven Jackson" <steven.jackson14@adelphia.net>
Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Overhaul Update
> --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "Steven Jackson"
<steven.jackson14@adelphia.net>
>
> Well, we've just about got the engine ready to come off the plane. I
found
> more interesting stuff as I took everything apart. The alternator was a
> mess--the mounting brackets were not connected properly, and the
alternator
> fan blades were missing. As I disconnected the starter, a big chunk of
the
> starter mount flange broke off, we're guessing it was already cracked, but
> the bolt/nut was holding it secure. Anyway, the hits just keep on coming.
> I've got the instructions on how to post pictures, so soon this week I
> should have pictures of all this stuff posted on the Matronics picture
link.
>
> As soon as we're done, we're going to box it up and get it up to Lycon.
> Every problem I've had so far was a result of bad "shade tree" maintenance
> in the past and I'm not about to take anymore chances. It'll be nice to
> finally know that the folks looking at my repairs no what they're doing.
> Mike, my A&P is pretty much beside himself as we disassemble. (He wasn't
> the prepurchase or last annual mechanic).
>
> Steven Jackson
> N1434R
> L22
> Yucca Valley, CA
>
>
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--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "flyv35b" <flyv35b@juno.com>
You won't have to modify the nose bowl on the Cheetah or Tiger but you will
have to modify the front baffling some.
Cliff A&P/IA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven Jackson" <steven.jackson14@adelphia.net>
Subject: TeamGrumman-List: New Starter
> --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "Steven Jackson"
<steven.jackson14@adelphia.net>
>
> Once the engine is breathing gas and air again, I'll need a new starter
> after today's find. I know the Sky-Tec is favored by many, but I thought
I
> remembered someone saying that the nose bowl may have to be modified for
it
> to fit. Any recommendations/experience would be welcome.
>
> Steven Jackson
> N1434R
> L22
> Yucca Valley, CA
>
>
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--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "flyv35b" <flyv35b@juno.com>
What starter bracket are you referring to? Are you sure it is not the
alternator bracket. There is also a strap off the starter to the alternator
bracket to help support it.
Cliff A&P/IA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Philip K. Works" <pkworks@mac.com>
Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Starter
> --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "Philip K. Works"
<pkworks@mac.com>
>
> Steve,
> I have the Sky-Tec (installed at overhaul in Oct 2001) and I think it
> does a great job. The only mod necessary is to alter the baffle
> material around it. By the way, Fletch has a heavy duty starter
> bracket. Cracks in the stock bracket seem to be pretty common.
> Phil
>
>
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--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Aucountry@aol.com
In a message dated 07/27/03 12:02:27 AM, flyer.bob@verizon.net writes:
> Sorry to be so repetitive, but again, Performance Aero did not go with the
> Sky-Tec, for the very reason you mentioned.=A0 The required modification to
> the front baffle is much greater.
>
>
The required modification to the front baffle, regarless of which starter you
select, is a pain in the butt. I installed one of the MagnaFlite starters
just to avoid modifying the baffles and to my surprise, it too required enough
modifying as to negate getting the MagnaFlite over any other starter.
Additionally, since the non-Sky-Tec uses overhuled Bendix units, they want a core
charge and your old starter back. So, you must make a separate trip to return
the old starter just to get your money back.
Stop the agonizing and use a Sky-Tec.
Gary
www.AuCountry.com
Home of "Team Grumman"
TeamGrumman-List@matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
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--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Aucountry@aol.com
In a message dated 07/27/03 12:11:58 AM, steven.jackson14@adelphia.net
writes:
> I've actually gotten conflicting word on this one--perhaps the other guy
> didn't have an O-320 under his cowl.=A0 Perhaps I should just post on the=20Gang
> and find out what Les Staples has to say.=A0 I'll also give Ron a call as=20well
> and see what he recommends.
>
I put a Sky-Tec on an AA1C, no mods to the cowling.
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| Subject: | Re: Overhaul Update |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Aucountry@aol.com
In a message dated 07/26/03 07:44:30 PM, steven.jackson14@adelphia.net
writes:
> As soon as we're done, we're going to box it up and get it up to Lycon.
> Every problem I've had so far was a result of bad "shade tree" maintenance
> in the past and I'm not about to take anymore chances.=A0 It'll be nice to
> finally know that the folks looking at my repairs no what they're doing.
> Mike, my A&P is pretty much beside himself as we disassemble.=A0 (He wasn't
> the prepurchase or last annual mechanic).
>
Good choice, It may cost a little more than having it done by a well
meaning A&P, but it'll run a lot stronger and a lot longer. Get it ported=20and
polished and high compression pistons too. Ask Steve (at LyCon) what is
possible.
Gary
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| Subject: | Re: Tiger Loading |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Aucountry@aol.com
In a message dated 07/27/03 07:47:25 AM, g_v_s@mac.com writes:
> My Tiger with two 200 pounders in front and full fuel is forward in the
> envelope, but still within limits.=A0 That big Tiger elevator makes this
> no problem at all, whereas if I was flying a Quoll (or Bobcat, or
> Traveler, or whatever the four seaters with tiny tails are called) it
> would be more of a problem, perhaps.
>
I have a weight and balance program for a Tiger but I never wrote down the CG
loading limits. Can someone send the CG and moment arms for the forward and
aft limits? Thanks
Gary
www.AuCountry.com
Home of "Team Grumman"
TeamGrumman-List@matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
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| Subject: | Re: Tiger Loading |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Gil Alexander <gilalex@earthlink.net>
Gary.... from the Type certificate data sheets at
http://www.aya.org/service/
Normal category - Tiger
89 - 92.5 at 2400 pounds
81 - 92.5 at 1920 pounds
Straight line variation between points
Or you could use my attached Excel spreadsheet ..... gil A
At 01:45 PM 7/27/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Aucountry@aol.com
>
>In a message dated 07/27/03 07:47:25 AM, g_v_s@mac.com writes:
>
> > My Tiger with two 200 pounders in front and full fuel is forward in the
> > envelope, but still within limits.=A0 That big Tiger elevator makes this
> > no problem at all, whereas if I was flying a Quoll (or Bobcat, or
> > Traveler, or whatever the four seaters with tiny tails are called) it
> > would be more of a problem, perhaps.
> >
>I have a weight and balance program for a Tiger but I never wrote down the CG
>loading limits. Can someone send the CG and moment arms for the forward and
>aft limits? Thanks
>
>Gary
>www.AuCountry.com
>
>Home of "Team Grumman"
>TeamGrumman-List@matronics.com
>http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
>
>
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