---------------------------------------------------------- TeamGrumman-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 08/21/03: 3 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:04 AM - Re: TeamGrumman-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 08/20/03 (Tiger67B) 2. 12:24 AM - Re: Re: TeamGrumman-List Digest: 3 Msgs - (Gil Alexander) 3. 03:40 AM - Re: Powder Coat for the engine mount (FLYaDIVE@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:04:35 AM PST US From: Tiger67B Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Re: TeamGrumman-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 08/20/03 --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Tiger67B Gary, Is the vernatherm crimped nut business on the Tiger engine also? Jan TeamGrumman-List Digest Server wrote: > * > > ================================================== > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================== > > Today's complete TeamGrumman-List Digest can be also be found in either > of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest > formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked > Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII > version of the TeamGrumman-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic > text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > HTML Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/teamgrumman-list/Digest.TeamGrumman-List.2003-08-20.html > > Text Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/teamgrumman-list/Digest.TeamGrumman-List.2003-08-20.txt > > > ================================================ > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================ > > > TeamGrumman-List Digest Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Wed 08/20/03: 3 > > > Today's Message Index: > ---------------------- > > 1. 04:32 AM - Re: TG-List: Vernitherm Question (FLYaDIVE@aol.com) > 2. 04:35 AM - Re: Powder Coat for the engine mount (FLYaDIVE@aol.com) > 3. 04:51 AM - Re: Powder Coat for the engine mount (Bradley Kidder) > > > > ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 04:32:36 AM PST US > From: FLYaDIVE@aol.com > Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Re: TG-List: Vernitherm Question > > --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: FLYaDIVE@aol.com > > In a message dated 8/20/03 1:59:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > steven.jackson14@adelphia.net writes: > > >>TG, >> >> I don't know if I even spelled it right, but my engine is an O-320B2B. >> During the engine teardown that's on-going, the nut was pulled off the >> accessory case and there was nothing behind the nut. No ball in the >> sleeve--nothing. Is this proper? How does the engine know when to send > > oil > >> to the cooler without this, or is it designed to always go to the cooler? >> My oil temps always seemed to take a while to warm up during run up--could >> this have been the culprit? >> >> Steven Jackson >> AA-1B >> N1434R >> L22 >> Yucca Valley, CA > > =============== > Hi Steve: > > I'm not sure exactly what you are referring to. You say NUT, what nut? A > Vernatherm is located on the back of the engine, on the accessory case, in the > > housing that is either your Fine Oil Screen or Adapter housing for a remote Oil > > Filter (ala-ADC, Oil Filter, or remote spin on filter). The Vernatherm has a > large Hex Head that should look like a light color of Brass or Aluminum. > There is also stampings on the head that give the temperature, 85 Deg C if I > recall correctly. > > Now if this is what you are referring to, the Vernatherm has either a crimped > nut or a roll-pin staked nut at the end of a threaded shaft that is about a > 8-32 thread. > > If you have the crimped nut that it is your responsibility to inspect that > nut at EVERY oil change. There is an AD against the Vernatherm and crimped nut, > > the Pin'd nut does not have that AD. > > If this is the part you are referring to and the nut and seating dome are > missing then you are luck that you are doing a tare-down because those parts must > > be floating around inside the engine. Not a good thing. > > Can the Vernatherm be rebuilt? YES, but not by you or your A&P. The parts > must be replaced with new and there is a special cold height that must be > maintained to insure the proper length movement of the hemisphere so it will seat > > properly against the engine case. The engine case seat should also be checked > > and honed for proper fit. > > You can replace the Vernatherm with either the old or new style Vernatherm. > Old, of course still keeps the AD requirement of inspection at every oil > change. > > And as you say, your oil temps will take a bit longer to warm up. But the > more important part is they will run HIGH because the oil is NOT getting to your > > oil cooler. > > Have you found the missing parts? Have you replaced the Vernatherm as yet? > Are you interested in an Old style Vernatherm? > > > Barry > "Chop'd Liver" > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 04:35:50 AM PST US > From: FLYaDIVE@aol.com > Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Powder Coat for the engine mount > > --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: FLYaDIVE@aol.com > > In a message dated 8/20/03 2:03:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > steven.jackson14@adelphia.net writes: > > >>TG, >> >> For anyone in the Southern Cali area, any recommendations for a shop to >> powder coat the engine mount? >> >> Steven Jackson >> AA-1B >> N1434R >> L22 >> Yucca Valley, CA > > ============= > Steve: > > I can tell you where NOT to go... General Magnaplate. Dollars to donuts they > will warp your mount and be two weeks past delivery time on returning it to > you. > > Barry > "Chop'd Liver" > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 04:51:44 AM PST US > From: Bradley Kidder > Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Powder Coat for the engine mount > > --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Bradley Kidder > > Barry is in touch with his feelings... > > Bradley Kidder > N188FW AA-1 #124 "Hawg One" > NTSB / EAA / AOPA / AYA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Call or email me for information on a NEW 2003 TIGER airplane, and be sure to check out TIGER AIRCRAFT'S NEW WEBSITE AT: www.tigeraircraft.com or visit our PERSONAL WEBSITE at: http://www.geocities.com/tiger67bravo/ ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:24:03 AM PST US From: Gil Alexander Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: TeamGrumman-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 08/20/03 --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Gil Alexander Jan ... same part number in all Lycomings.... gil A At 12:03 AM 8/21/2003 -0700, you wrote: >--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Tiger67B > >Gary, > >Is the vernatherm crimped nut business on the Tiger engine also? > >Jan > > >TeamGrumman-List Digest Server wrote: > > * > > > > ================================================== > > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > > ================================================== > > > > Today's complete TeamGrumman-List Digest can be also be found in either > > of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest > > formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked > > Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII > > version of the TeamGrumman-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic > > text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > > > HTML Version: > > > > > > > > Text Version: > > > > > > > > > > ================================================ > > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > > ================================================ > > > > > > TeamGrumman-List Digest Archive > > --- > > Total Messages Posted Wed 08/20/03: 3 > > > > > > Today's Message Index: > > ---------------------- > > > > 1. 04:32 AM - Re: TG-List: Vernitherm Question (FLYaDIVE@aol.com) > > 2. 04:35 AM - Re: Powder Coat for the engine mount (FLYaDIVE@aol.com) > > 3. 04:51 AM - Re: Powder Coat for the engine mount (Bradley Kidder) > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message > 1 _____________________________________ > > > > > > Time: 04:32:36 AM PST US > > From: FLYaDIVE@aol.com > > Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Re: TG-List: Vernitherm Question > > > > --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: FLYaDIVE@aol.com > > > > In a message dated 8/20/03 1:59:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > > steven.jackson14@adelphia.net writes: > > > > > >>TG, > >> > >> I don't know if I even spelled it right, but my engine is an O-320B2B. > >> During the engine teardown that's on-going, the nut was pulled off the > >> accessory case and there was nothing behind the nut. No ball in the > >> sleeve--nothing. Is this proper? How does the engine know when to send > > > > oil > > > >> to the cooler without this, or is it designed to always go to the cooler? > >> My oil temps always seemed to take a while to warm up during run up--could > >> this have been the culprit? > >> > >> Steven Jackson > >> AA-1B > >> N1434R > >> L22 > >> Yucca Valley, CA > > > > =============== > > Hi Steve: > > > > I'm not sure exactly what you are referring to. You say NUT, what nut? A > > Vernatherm is located on the back of the engine, on the accessory case, > in the > > > > housing that is either your Fine Oil Screen or Adapter housing for a > remote Oil > > > > Filter (ala-ADC, Oil Filter, or remote spin on filter). The Vernatherm > has a > > large Hex Head that should look like a light color of Brass or Aluminum. > > There is also stampings on the head that give the temperature, 85 Deg C > if I > > recall correctly. > > > > Now if this is what you are referring to, the Vernatherm has either a > crimped > > nut or a roll-pin staked nut at the end of a threaded shaft that is > about a > > 8-32 thread. > > > > If you have the crimped nut that it is your responsibility to inspect that > > nut at EVERY oil change. There is an AD against the Vernatherm and > crimped nut, > > > > the Pin'd nut does not have that AD. > > > > If this is the part you are referring to and the nut and seating dome are > > missing then you are luck that you are doing a tare-down because those > parts must > > > > be floating around inside the engine. Not a good thing. > > > > Can the Vernatherm be rebuilt? YES, but not by you or your A&P. The > parts > > must be replaced with new and there is a special cold height that must be > > maintained to insure the proper length movement of the hemisphere so it > will seat > > > > properly against the engine case. The engine case seat should also be > checked > > > > and honed for proper fit. > > > > You can replace the Vernatherm with either the old or new style > Vernatherm. > > Old, of course still keeps the AD requirement of inspection at every oil > > change. > > > > And as you say, your oil temps will take a bit longer to warm up. But the > > more important part is they will run HIGH because the oil is NOT > getting to your > > > > oil cooler. > > > > Have you found the missing parts? Have you replaced the Vernatherm as > yet? > > Are you interested in an Old style Vernatherm? > > > > > > Barry > > "Chop'd Liver" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message > 2 _____________________________________ > > > > > > Time: 04:35:50 AM PST US > > From: FLYaDIVE@aol.com > > Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Powder Coat for the engine mount > > > > --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: FLYaDIVE@aol.com > > > > In a message dated 8/20/03 2:03:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > > steven.jackson14@adelphia.net writes: > > > > > >>TG, > >> > >> For anyone in the Southern Cali area, any recommendations for a shop to > >> powder coat the engine mount? > >> > >> Steven Jackson > >> AA-1B > >> N1434R > >> L22 > >> Yucca Valley, CA > > > > ============= > > Steve: > > > > I can tell you where NOT to go... General Magnaplate. Dollars to > donuts they > > will warp your mount and be two weeks past delivery time on returning > it to > > you. > > > > Barry > > "Chop'd Liver" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message > 3 _____________________________________ > > > > > > Time: 04:51:44 AM PST US > > From: Bradley Kidder > > Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Powder Coat for the engine mount > > > > --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Bradley Kidder > > > > > Barry is in touch with his feelings... > > > > Bradley Kidder > > N188FW AA-1 #124 "Hawg One" > > NTSB / EAA / AOPA / AYA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > >Call or email me for information on a NEW 2003 TIGER airplane, >and be sure to check out TIGER AIRCRAFT'S NEW WEBSITE AT: > www.tigeraircraft.com > >or visit our PERSONAL WEBSITE at: http://www.geocities.com/tiger67bravo/ > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:40:28 AM PST US From: FLYaDIVE@aol.com Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Powder Coat for the engine mount --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: FLYaDIVE@aol.com In a message dated 8/20/03 7:52:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, sparksnmagic@usa.net writes: > Barry is in touch with his feelings... > > Bradley Kidder > N188FW AA-1 #124 "Hawg One" > NTSB / EAA / AOPA / AYA ============ Brad: I don't know is that a good thing? Barry