---------------------------------------------------------- TeamGrumman-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 08/31/03: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:10 AM - Re: Cabin Heat Inlet Removal (Steven Jackson) 2. 07:39 AM - Re: Cabin Heat Inlet Removal (flyv35b) 3. 09:26 AM - Re: Cabin Heat Inlet Removal (Aucountry@aol.com) 4. 10:08 AM - Re: Cabin Heat Inlet Removal (Steven Jackson) 5. 11:49 AM - W & B question (Gil Alexander) 6. 12:08 PM - Re: W & B question (Charles Adams) 7. 12:25 PM - Re: W & B question (Gil Alexander) 8. 06:51 PM - Re: W & B question (Aucountry@aol.com) 9. 07:04 PM - Re: W & B question (Gil Alexander) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:10:28 AM PST US From: "Steven Jackson" Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Cabin Heat Inlet Removal --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "Steven Jackson" Gary wrote: Well, you don't. In order to take it off, you need to remove the heat plenum in the cabin (held in by rivets) and then hold the bolt from outside=20while bemoving the nut from the inside. A brilliant piece of engineering. What I have done in the past (oh, yea, I removed the one on my Cheetah and had it powder coated) is to strip the cabin heat box and prime and paint it in place. Then mask it and paint the firewall. Can I use the chloride based stripper on that--it seems far enough away from any bonded seams that if I'm careful, it should take it off. I was having some trouble getting the rust and old paint off of it with just a scotch-brite pad. Maybe just some persistence with a Dremel (or the scotch-brite pad). I really don't mind getting under the panel if I can make this job the last one that has to be done to it, at least for a while. Getting it off would be best--there's a lot of crud in there. I'll crawl under and take a look today. Steven Jackson N1434R L22 Yucca Valley, CA ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:39:40 AM PST US From: "flyv35b" Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Cabin Heat Inlet Removal --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "flyv35b" It's been a long time so I can't say this for sure but as I recall I thought you could reach inside the heat plenum on the inside (through the outlet) with a screwdriver, etc. to hold the screw while someone on the firewall side takes the nut off. I usually do what Gary suggested. Cliff A&P/IA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Jackson" Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Cabin Heat Inlet Removal > --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "Steven Jackson" > > Gary wrote: > > Well, you don't. In order to take it off, you need to remove the heat > plenum in the cabin (held in by rivets) and then hold the bolt from > outside=20while > bemoving the nut from the inside. A brilliant piece of engineering. What > I > have done in the past (oh, yea, I removed the one on my Cheetah and had it > powder coated) is to strip the cabin heat box and prime and paint it in > place. > Then mask it and paint the firewall. > > > Can I use the chloride based stripper on that--it seems far enough away from > any bonded seams that if I'm careful, it should take it off. I was having > some trouble getting the rust and old paint off of it with just a > scotch-brite pad. Maybe just some persistence with a Dremel (or the > scotch-brite pad). I really don't mind getting under the panel if I can > make this job the last one that has to be done to it, at least for a while. > Getting it off would be best--there's a lot of crud in there. I'll crawl > under and take a look today. > > Steven Jackson > N1434R > L22 > Yucca Valley, CA > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:26:05 AM PST US From: Aucountry@aol.com Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Cabin Heat Inlet Removal --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Aucountry@aol.com In a message dated 08/31/03 02:10:44 AM, steven.jackson14@adelphia.net writes: > Can I use the chloride based stripper on that--it seems far enough away > from > any bonded seams that if I'm careful, it should take it off.=A0 I was having > some trouble getting the rust and old paint off of it with just a > scotch-brite pad.=A0 Maybe just some persistence with a Dremel (or the > scotch-brite pad).=A0 I really don't mind getting under the panel if I can > make this job the last one that has to be done to it, at least for a while. > Getting it off would be best--there's a lot of crud in there.=A0 I'll crawl > under and take a look today. > > Yes, you can. You can even use the stripper on the bonded seems if you spray it off immediately with something like carburetor cleaner. If you need to get into tight places, just don't let the stripper hang around too long. Actually, I let the stripper sit on a bonded joint over night (salvaged part) and it didn't touch the bond. I think the no stripper rule is knee jerk because no one wanted to perform the necessary testing. Gary www.AuCountry.com Home of "Team Grumman" TeamGrumman-List@matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/subscribe ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:08:36 AM PST US From: "Steven Jackson" Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Cabin Heat Inlet Removal --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "Steven Jackson" Roger that--Thanks all... Steve ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:49:09 AM PST US From: Gil Alexander Subject: TeamGrumman-List: W & B question --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Gil Alexander Guys ... just weighed my Tiger and as soon as I finish sweating (monsoon season here...) I'm going to see if I can fix my "bogus" W&B (as described by Ron Levy) The STC says... B. Applicable to Model AG-5B, AA-5B and Model AA-5A (with Optional Tanks). The certificated weight empty and corresponding center-of-gravity location must include 9.6 lbs. (1.6 gal.) at (+94.8) of unusable fuel. (Undrainable fuel and oil is negligible.) I drained the tanks out - 15 gallons in 3 containers, a qt. on the floor and a pint down my arm - before weighing. There were 6 qts. of oil in the engine. Does the STC say that I should add this 9.6 pounds back into the empty weight? I guess that what Grumman is saying is "don't use these last 1.6 gallons in flight" - Is this a pick up vs. angle of flight problem? BTW my empty weight was 1513 lbs. A dimension = 50.56 inches B dimension = 63.62 inches I'll see how this works out after I cool down in the pool....8 ) gil in Tucson 77 Tiger, N28478, at 57AZ ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:08:43 PM PST US From: Charles Adams Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: W & B question --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Charles Adams Gil, Needs to be added back in per TCDS. I also included my oil in the empty weight, noted in the comments on the w&b sheet. it's a pick up problem I believe. Charlie > > From: Gil Alexander > Date: 2003/08/31 Sun AM 11:56:00 PDT > To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com > Subject: TeamGrumman-List: W & B question > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:25:09 PM PST US From: Gil Alexander Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: W & B question --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Gil Alexander Thanks Charlie ... still calculating ... I'll add it back in... gil A At 12:06 PM 8/31/2003 -0700, you wrote: >--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Charles Adams > >Gil, > >Needs to be added back in per TCDS. I also included my oil in the empty >weight, noted in the comments on the w&b sheet. >it's a pick up problem I believe. >Charlie > > > > From: Gil Alexander > > Date: 2003/08/31 Sun AM 11:56:00 PDT > > To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com > > Subject: TeamGrumman-List: W & B question > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:51:16 PM PST US From: Aucountry@aol.com Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: W & B question --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Aucountry@aol.com In a message dated 08/31/03 11:49:29 AM, gilalex@earthlink.net writes: > The STC says... > > B. Applicable to Model AG-5B, AA-5B and Model AA-5A (with Optional Tanks). > The certificated weight empty and corresponding center-of-gravity location > must include 9.6 lbs. (1.6 gal.) at (+94.8) of unusable fuel. (Undrainable > fuel and oil is negligible.) > STC or TCDS????? ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:04:07 PM PST US From: Gil Alexander Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: W & B question --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Gil Alexander Oops ... the Type Certificate..... ... the words were copied from your (www.aucountry.com) web site.... Full W&B results on the GG list... It's no longer bogus.... ...gil A At 09:50 PM 8/31/2003 -0400, you wrote: >--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Aucountry@aol.com > > >In a message dated 08/31/03 11:49:29 AM, gilalex@earthlink.net writes: > > > > The STC says... > > > > B. Applicable to Model AG-5B, AA-5B and Model AA-5A (with Optional Tanks). > > The certificated weight empty and corresponding center-of-gravity location > > must include 9.6 lbs. (1.6 gal.) at (+94.8) of unusable fuel. (Undrainable > > fuel and oil is negligible.) > > > >STC or TCDS????? > >