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1. 07:28 AM - Constant Speed prop (James Grieco)
2. 07:54 AM - Re: Constant Speed prop (Gil Alexander)
3. 07:58 AM - Re: Constant Speed prop (FLYaDIVE@aol.com)
4. 09:12 AM - Re: Constant Speed prop (Aucountry@aol.com)
5. 09:38 AM - Re: Constant Speed prop (Aucountry@aol.com)
6. 11:12 PM - The Monkey... (something you'll never see on the GG (Aucountry@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Constant Speed prop |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: James Grieco <jamesgrieco@yahoo.com>
I would not assume that you can exceed the 2500 rpm limit on
climb out until I see it in writing. It would take a
considerable amount of course pitch to make up for the diameter
reduction. As I recall, Mooney tried some 3 blade props of
smaller diameter, but went back to the 2 blades because they
were more efficient (for performance, not noise). I take MT at
their word until they publish otherwise. They designed the prop
intallation to reduce noise, and I dare to assume they wanted to
make sure that performance was no worse than stock. If I were
trying to sell something for $13k in the US, I would lead the
publicity with performance data.
If the numbers don't show greatly improved climb and some
improvement in cruise, I would encourage MT to follow up with a
US offering that was not limited by the desire for noise
reduction. Can you imagine a Cheetah/Tiger with Gary's cowl and
an MT prop? I wonder if Tiger aircraft has heard any of this.
On a different note: My initial posting was sent to TG and GG at
the same time. I did not see it in GG.
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| Subject: | Re: Constant Speed prop |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Gil Alexander <gilalex@earthlink.net>
Vans Aircraft also sells MT props for his RV series, and for the 180
HP engines he recommends a MTV18B/183-59 3 blade electric prop, which has a
72 inch diam. instead of the 70.9 inch that is part of the Grumman STC. I
wonder if this is part of the power vs. noise trade-off mentioned in the MT
message?
His 3-blade price is $8965.00 which does include the elec. control
unit and shipping to the US.....
gil in Tucson
At 07:28 AM 10/1/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: James Grieco <jamesgrieco@yahoo.com>
>
>I would not assume that you can exceed the 2500 rpm limit on
>climb out until I see it in writing. It would take a
>considerable amount of course pitch to make up for the diameter
>reduction. As I recall, Mooney tried some 3 blade props of
>smaller diameter, but went back to the 2 blades because they
>were more efficient (for performance, not noise). I take MT at
>their word until they publish otherwise. They designed the prop
>intallation to reduce noise, and I dare to assume they wanted to
>make sure that performance was no worse than stock. If I were
>trying to sell something for $13k in the US, I would lead the
>publicity with performance data.
>
>If the numbers don't show greatly improved climb and some
>improvement in cruise, I would encourage MT to follow up with a
>US offering that was not limited by the desire for noise
>reduction. Can you imagine a Cheetah/Tiger with Gary's cowl and
>an MT prop? I wonder if Tiger aircraft has heard any of this.
>
>On a different note: My initial posting was sent to TG and GG at
>the same time. I did not see it in GG.
>
>__________________________________
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Constant Speed prop |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: FLYaDIVE@aol.com
In a message dated 10/1/03 10:29:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
jamesgrieco@yahoo.com writes:
> If I were
> trying to sell something for $13k in the US, I would lead the
> publicity with performance data.
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Jim:
I like your approch but data does not sell. You have to capture the minds of
people and most are not data orentied, not even pilots. You got to put sex
in ther some where.
> If the numbers don't show greatly improved climb and some
> improvement in cruise, I would encourage MT to follow up with a
> US offering that was not limited by the desire for noise
> reduction.
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Maybe ... Just Maybe there is TRUTH in Their advertizing and they do not want
to make clames that will have to be rebuted later. i.e.: LoPressi - Tiger
Cowl
And the buying public is a funny thing. It works two ways:
1 - When was the last time you heard someone complain they purchased a car
and do not care for it? For some strange reason we don't put down the car we
purchased. After all WE purchased it! And that would make us look foolish to
purchase a car that we don't like?
2 - As humans and pilots (boy, what a sorrowful combination that is) we tend
to stretch the truth a bit. How fast does your plane go? How good was that
last landing? You get the idea, well, once a few people try these MT props the
word will get around. And the Internet will be the main medium. If it is
good, WOW ... MT will have a hard time filling orders and the price will go up
AND THEY will not have to tell fibs. If it is just So ... So... Hey, they
told the truth. GOOD COMPANY! THEY DON'T LIE.
Isn't advertising interesting? SPIN CITY
Barry
"Chop'd Liver"
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>Can you imagine a Cheetah/Tiger with Gary's cowl and
> an MT prop? I wonder if Tiger aircraft has heard any of this.
>
> On a different note: My initial posting was sent to TG and GG at
> the same time. I did not see it in GG.
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Yes, James
The GG will not accept multiple addresses. I tried both ways in the SEND TO
and the COPY TO fields but does not get through.
Barry
"Chop'd Liver"
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| Subject: | Re: Constant Speed prop |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Aucountry@aol.com
In a message dated 10/01/03 07:29:22 AM, jamesgrieco@yahoo.com writes:
> On a different note: My initial posting was sent to TG and GG at
> the same time. I did not see it in GG.
>
Mark blocks the content of Team Grumman. You need to send them separately.
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| Subject: | Re: Constant Speed prop |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Aucountry@aol.com
In a message dated 10/01/03 07:59:33 AM, FLYaDIVE@aol.com writes:
> LoPressi - Tiger
> Cowl
>
correction.. LoPresti nose bowl
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| Subject: | The Monkey... (something you'll never see on the GG |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Aucountry@aol.com
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Subject: Fw: The Monkey...
Subject: The Monkey...
> A tourist walked into a pet store and was looking at the animals on
> display. While he was there, a Cargo Load Master from the local air base
> walked in and said to the shopkeeper "I'll take a 933 monkey, please".
> The shopkeeper nodded, went to a cage at the side of the store, and took
> out a monkey. He put a collar and leash on the animal and handed it to
> the Chief, saying, "That'll be $2,000." The man paid and left with the
> monkey. The surprised tourist went to the shopkeeper and said, "That was
> a very expensive monkey. Most of them are only a few hundred dollars.
> Why did that one cost so much?" The shopkeeper answered, "Ah, that's a
> 933 monkey. He can build pallets of freight, plan aircraft loads, rig
> loads for airdrop, drive forklifts, type manifests, heat meals for
> officers, and perform the duties of any TrafficTech with no back talk or
> complaints. It's well worth the money" The tourist then spotted a
> monkey in another cage. "That one's even more expensive! $10,000! What
> does it do?" he asked. "Oh, that one" replied the shopkeeper. "That's a
> "Maintenance Supervisor" monkey. It can instruct at all levels of
> maintenance, supervise maintenance at the unit, intermediate, and Depot
> level, and even do most of the paperwork. A very useful monkey indeed"
> The tourist looked around a little longer and found a third monkey in a
> cage. The price tag was $50,000. The shocked tourist exclaimed, "This
> one costs more than all the others put together! What in the world can
> it do?"
> "Actually," said the shopkeeper, "I've never actually seen him do
> anything but drink beer and play with his dick, but his papers say he's
> a Pilot."
>
>
>
>
>
> "No matter what, always speak your mind,
> because those that mind don't matter,
> and those that matter don't mind"...
>
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