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1. 12:58 PM - Credit Card Fraud (TeamGrumman@aol.com)
2. 01:13 PM - Re: Credit Card Fraud (Roger Roy)
3. 01:36 PM - Re: Credit Card Fraud (ThomasTholmes512@aol.com)
4. 02:29 PM - Re: Credit Card Fraud (Gil Alexander)
5. 02:30 PM - Re: Credit Card Fraud (linn walters)
6. 02:49 PM - Re: Credit Card Fraud (ThomasTholmes512@aol.com)
7. 04:23 PM - Re: Credit Card Fraud (Geoffrey Hickey)
8. 07:40 PM - Re: Credit Card Fraud (TeamGrumman@aol.com)
9. 07:49 PM - Re: Credit Card Fraud (TeamGrumman@aol.com)
10. 07:58 PM - Re: Credit Card Fraud (TeamGrumman@aol.com)
11. 08:23 PM - Re: Credit Card Fraud (Cory Emberson)
12. 08:51 PM - Cowling Update: 7.2 (TeamGrumman@aol.com)
13. 08:52 PM - Re: Credit Card Fraud (TeamGrumman@aol.com)
14. 08:58 PM - Re: Credit Card Fraud (Cory Emberson)
15. 09:37 PM - Windshield Bonding (TeamGrumman@aol.com)
16. 10:11 PM - Re: Cowling Update: 7.2 (Gil Alexander)
17. 10:48 PM - (TeamGrumman@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Credit Card Fraud |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: TeamGrumman@aol.com
Someone recently started using one of my credit card numbers making purchases
on the internet. Fortunately, I keep excellent records and recognized when
charges I had not made started showing up. I quickly determined which card
number and had the card cancelled. It was a card I last used at Cheif Aircraft
in May 2003. It's a card I seldom carry.
The email used by the buyer was: MION@benhad.com
Question: is there a way to find out the address of the guy who used the
above email?
and
Question: is this something the police would be interested in hearing or is
it just so much back ground noise to them?
Gary
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| Subject: | Re: Credit Card Fraud |
Seal-Send-Time: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 16:13:02 -0500
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "Roger Roy" <Savannah174@msn.com>
Gary, If you used that card to order from Chief and they have a secured web site
how did you card get in the hands of a theif? I order a lot of stuff from them
now I'm a little worried, Got any ideas? What did your card Co. say when you
reported it? Or is this small potatos to them? Cheers
Roger J. Roy
AA1B
----- Original Message -----
From: TeamGrumman@aol.com
To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 3:58 PM
Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Credit Card Fraud
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: TeamGrumman@aol.com
Someone recently started using one of my credit card numbers making purchases
on the internet. Fortunately, I keep excellent records and recognized when
charges I had not made started showing up. I quickly determined which card
number and had the card cancelled. It was a card I last used at Cheif Aircraft
in May 2003. It's a card I seldom carry.
The email used by the buyer was: MION@benhad.com
Question: is there a way to find out the address of the guy who used the
above email?
and
Question: is this something the police would be interested in hearing or is
it just so much back ground noise to them?
Gary
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| Subject: | Re: Credit Card Fraud |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: ThomasTholmes512@aol.com
Gary,
The address of the computer used can be determined, but not necessarily the
physical location. Those scum bags are pretty clever about mis direction.
The FBI is definitely interested and will follow up, at least the local guys
do. Don't let it lie. Chief should be interested as well.
Tom
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| Subject: | Re: Credit Card Fraud |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Gil Alexander <gilalex@earthlink.net>
It might not be Chief....
Do you write your CC number on your check when you make a payment (like
they request)?
If so, it could be anyone at multiple banks the check passes through.... to
say nothing of internal fraud at the CC company - more prevalent than they
will admit...
gil in Tucson
At 02:13 PM 1/31/2004, you wrote:
>--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "Roger Roy" <Savannah174@msn.com>
>
>Gary, If you used that card to order from Chief and they have a secured
>web site how did you card get in the hands of a theif? I order a lot of
>stuff from them now I'm a little worried, Got any ideas? What did your
>card Co. say when you reported it? Or is this small potatos to them? Cheers
>
>Roger J. Roy
>AA1B
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: TeamGrumman@aol.com
> To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 3:58 PM
> Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Credit Card Fraud
>
>
> --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: TeamGrumman@aol.com
>
> Someone recently started using one of my credit card numbers making
> purchases
> on the internet. Fortunately, I keep excellent records and recognized when
> charges I had not made started showing up. I quickly determined which
> card
> number and had the card cancelled. It was a card I last used at Cheif
> Aircraft
> in May 2003. It's a card I seldom carry.
>
> The email used by the buyer was: MION@benhad.com
>
> Question: is there a way to find out the address of the guy who used the
> above email?
>
> and
>
> Question: is this something the police would be interested in hearing
> or is
> it just so much back ground noise to them?
>
> Gary
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Credit Card Fraud |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
TeamGrumman@aol.com wrote:
>--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: TeamGrumman@aol.com
>
>Someone recently started using one of my credit card numbers making purchases
>on the internet. Fortunately, I keep excellent records and recognized when
>charges I had not made started showing up. I quickly determined which card
>number and had the card cancelled. It was a card I last used at Cheif Aircraft
>in May 2003. It's a card I seldom carry.
>
>The email used by the buyer was: MION@benhad.com
>
>Question: is there a way to find out the address of the guy who used the
>above email?
>
I looked at Benbad.com, which defaults to french. See
http://www.benbad.com/fr/ ....... The US vwersion is a little different
though .... http://benbad.sonnerie.net/us/ Ironic isn't it? Benbad
...... been bad!!!
>and
>
>Question: is this something the police would be interested in hearing or is
>it just so much back ground noise to them?
>
Who knows, but it wouldn't hurt to report it and get a report number.
Somewhere there is an Identity Theft hotline or something. Didn't look
for that. I've had multiple power failures and want to get this one
sent!!! I'd certainly ask the card co for it's fraud division and I'd
contact Chief too. Accounting isn't the best place to ask since that's
where your number might have gone astray! Do you usually use phone
ordering or order from the web site. Their site may not be as secure as
they think!
Linn
>
>Gary
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Credit Card Fraud |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: ThomasTholmes512@aol.com
Chief will be interested because this stuff is a very real threat to their
online business, and they have some clout w/the CC company.
Tom
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| Subject: | Re: Credit Card Fraud |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Geoffrey Hickey <ardri@comcast.net>
TeamGrumman@aol.com wrote:
>--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: TeamGrumman@aol.com
>
>Someone recently started using one of my credit card numbers making purchases
>on the internet. Fortunately, I keep excellent records and recognized when
>charges I had not made started showing up. I quickly determined which card
>number and had the card cancelled. It was a card I last used at Cheif Aircraft
>in May 2003. It's a card I seldom carry.
>
>
>
There are a lot of ways for a credit card number to fall into the wrong
hands: someone can go dumpster diving and find a receipt or an old bill;
someone may break into a retailers network and steal their database of
credit card information (and this has nothing to do with the security of
the website itself); someone can steal the same information from the
bank that issued the card.
That encryption icon that appears when you're using a secure webpage
just tells you that the conversation between your computer and the
website is encrypted, which you might think of as a physical store
having a lock on the front door. It's a necessary step, but it doesn't
tell you anything about the security of the other entrances.
However, there's no real way to know if Chief was at fault for letting
the number get into the wrong hands. It could have happened in too many
different ways.
>The email used by the buyer was: MION@benhad.com
>
>
>
This probably won't help you. It might not even belong to the thief,
since you can receive goods you order on the internet without reading
the email that you usually get when you place an order.
>Question: is there a way to find out the address of the guy who used the
>above email?
>
>
>
Assuming it does belong to the thief...maybe, but probably not. It's all
identity. If you really want to track this person down you should find
out what they ordered and where it was shipped.
You can also contact your credit card company and ask them to reject any
mail order or Internet purchases where the shipping address isn't your
home or work address.
>and
>
>Question: is this something the police would be interested in hearing or is
>it just so much back ground noise to them?
>
>
>
I had some checks stolen from my front porch a few years ago. I filed a
police report, which actually was helpful, because it gave me something
to show all the companies that sent me collection notices for checks I
didn't write. The police report went to each of them along with an
affidavit of forgery, which had to be notarized. What a royal pain that was.
Anyway, I couldn't get *anyone* interested in pursuing the thief,
although I believe it would have been very easy to catch them. In this
case, you should at least be able to get the shipping addresses, and
presumably that would help. And the issuing bank might help, it's
certainly worth a try. I don't know if the FBI pursues this kind of
thing; with the rise in identity theft in the past few years, they might.
- Geoff
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| Subject: | Re: Credit Card Fraud |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: TeamGrumman@aol.com
In a message dated 01/31/04 04:23:50 PM, ardri@comcast.net writes:
> You can also contact your credit card company and ask them to reject any
> mail order or Internet purchases where the shipping address isn't your
> home or work address.
>
I did this.
Also, I never type in my CC number or order stuff over the internet. It was
a call to Chiefs for an order when I gave out my CC number.
I'll let you know what, if anything, happens next.
Gary
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| Subject: | Re: Credit Card Fraud |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: TeamGrumman@aol.com
In a message dated 01/31/04 02:31:10 PM, gilalex@earthlink.net writes:
> Do you write your CC number on your check when you make a payment (like
> they request)?
>
no. and. I write "Ask for my drivers license" where I am supposed to sign
the card. and. I shred EVERY piece of paper that comes to me with my
name, address, phone number, or any form of identity on it.
Gary
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| Subject: | Re: Credit Card Fraud |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: TeamGrumman@aol.com
In a message dated 01/31/04 01:17:41 PM, Savannah174@msn.com writes:
> Gary, If you used that card to order from Chief and they have a secured web
> site how did you card get in the hands of a theif? I order a lot of stuff
> from them now I'm a little worried, Got any ideas? What did your card Co.=20say
> when you reported it? Or is this small potatos to them?=A0 Cheers
>
Good question. Just by luck.
The other day I received a box of 5 DVDs from Columbia House. When I called
them, I learned that I had ordered (though the internet) the DVDs a week or
so earlier and used my credit card. As is their policy, they always ship to
the billing address on the credit card. They cancelled all remaining orders
and I sent back the DVDs they sent.
Then, I called the Credit Card compnay and told them what happened. The
card was also used to order from PC Treasures. They were closed when I called
them. I'll try again on Monday and find out where the stuff was sent.
I'll let you know when happens next,
Gary
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| Subject: | Re: Credit Card Fraud |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "Cory Emberson" <bootless@earthlink.net>
Gary,
Sorry to hear you have to go through all this hassle for someone else's
thievery.
You may want to file an identity theft report (if you haven't done so
already) with all the credit bureaus. That will flag any attempts to open
new credit on your Social Security #, driver's license or other information
they may have Hoovered from you.
best,
Cory
----- Original Message -----
From: <TeamGrumman@aol.com>
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Credit Card Fraud
> --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: TeamGrumman@aol.com
>
>
> In a message dated 01/31/04 01:17:41 PM, Savannah174@msn.com writes:
>
>
> > Gary, If you used that card to order from Chief and they have a secured
web
> > site how did you card get in the hands of a theif? I order a lot of
stuff
> > from them now I'm a little worried, Got any ideas? What did your card
Co.=20say
> > when you reported it? Or is this small potatos to them?=A0 Cheers
> >
>
> Good question. Just by luck.
>
> The other day I received a box of 5 DVDs from Columbia House. When I
called
> them, I learned that I had ordered (though the internet) the DVDs a week
or
> so earlier and used my credit card. As is their policy, they always ship
to
> the billing address on the credit card. They cancelled all remaining
orders
> and I sent back the DVDs they sent.
>
> Then, I called the Credit Card compnay and told them what happened. The
> card was also used to order from PC Treasures. They were closed when I
called
> them. I'll try again on Monday and find out where the stuff was sent.
>
> I'll let you know when happens next,
>
> Gary
>
>
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| Subject: | Cowling Update: 7.2 |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: TeamGrumman@aol.com
It's about time...
I flew the Tiger with Revision #1 on it. This modification does away with
the nose gear boot. It also has only 50 square inches of cooling exit area.
About 1 1/5 inches of the nose gear mounting bracket is exposed to the wind.
The next version, Revision 2, is a little deeper and only about 1/2 inches
of the nose gear attach sees the wind. That exit area is only about 45 square
inches because it's a bit different shape.
One thing I noticed with the external exit ramp (as opposed to the internal
ramps on the stock cowling and on my first cowling) was that the pressure drop
across the cylinders during climb and cruise is a lot more uniform. I
suspect that the internal ramps, because they recess into the cowling as viewed
from
below, are more affected by the airflow over the surface at high angles of
attack. For example, All of my climbing manuvers today produced a pressure
drop across the cylinders in the 4-5 inches of water range where as the stock
cowling is around 1 to 3 inches of water, and my first cowling was 2 to 4 inches
of water. Keep in mind, this is with almost a 50% DECREASE in cowling exit
area between the first new cowling design (96 square inches) and the second
version. (By-the-way, my first new cowling design has 18 square inches more
cooling exit area than the stock cowling)
OK, enough of the chit chat, here are the numbers for today
Altitude/TempF/IAS (TAS)/Delpa P across the cylinders (in inches of
water)/Hottest CHT
(climbing, in steps, to 8000 feet)
2347-Idle/55/0 (0)/0.5/388
2347-runup at 1800 rpm/56/0 (0)/1.25/389
3000-climb out at 100 knots/53/100 (106)/4.5/425
3500-straight and level/48/140 (149)/7/430
4000-straight and level/45/139 (149)/6.75/424
4500-straight and level/43/136 (147)/6.5/424
5000-straight and level/47/132 (147)/6/421
6000-straight and level/40/138 (153)/7/419
7000-straight and level/41/132 (149)/6.5/379
7500-straight and level/38/130 (148)/6/386
8000-straight and level/36/130 (149)/6/381
Then, decending back to landing.
7500-straight and level/39/135 (153)/6.6/374
7000-straight and level/40/134 (151)/6/375
6500-straight and level/42/138 (154)/6.75/380
6000-straight and level/41/135 (149)/6.5/370
5500-straight and level/41/138 (151)/6.75/372
5000-straight and level/44/142 (155)/7+/381
4500-straight and level/47/142 (154)/7+/386
4000-straight and level/48/134 (151)/6.6/374
Draw your own conclusions
(disregarding the TAS for IDLE, Runup, and climb, I get an average of 150
knots.)
The next cowling revision should be ready in a week. If the smaller cooling
exit area on the next cowling doesn't have much of an effect on cooling
pressure drop across the cylinders, we're going to cast some new tooling for the
final shape. Then it goes to the FAA....
Gary
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| Subject: | Re: Credit Card Fraud |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: TeamGrumman@aol.com
In a message dated 01/31/04 08:24:24 PM, bootless@earthlink.net writes:
>
> You may want to file an identity theft report (if you haven't done so
> already) with all the credit bureaus. That will flag any attempts to open
> new credit on your Social Security #, driver's license or other information
> they may have Hoovered from you.
>
good idea, thanks
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| Subject: | Re: Credit Card Fraud |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "Cory Emberson" <bootless@earthlink.net>
Sure thing. I would never underestimate an identity thief's perseverence in
trying to grab the rest of your information.
Thanks to your warning, I've Googled some pretty valuable identity theft
information - always worth it!
Good luck! And stay on them. Law enforcement is unevenly interested in
identity theft.
----- Original Message -----
From: <TeamGrumman@aol.com>
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Credit Card Fraud
> --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: TeamGrumman@aol.com
>
>
> In a message dated 01/31/04 08:24:24 PM, bootless@earthlink.net writes:
>
>
> >
> > You may want to file an identity theft report (if you haven't done so
> > already) with all the credit bureaus. That will flag any attempts to
open
> > new credit on your Social Security #, driver's license or other
information
> > they may have Hoovered from you.
> >
>
> good idea, thanks
>
>
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| Subject: | Windshield Bonding |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: TeamGrumman@aol.com
There is an article in Sport Aviation on bonding windows (plexiglas) to
aluminum frames. They are using an adheasive called Sikaflex-255 FC. They
mention that Sikaflex-252 FC is similar to 255 but is thinner. The 252 is used
to
glue windshields into cars.
A while back I contacted several companies that specialized in sealants and
adheasives for automobiles (the reason I didn't contact companies that
specialize in sealants or aheasives for airplanes is that they are generally 10
to 50
years behind in research on anything new.) What I found was a couple of one
part polyurethane polymers that would (or appeared they would) work for
bonding our windshields to the aluminum windshield bow. That is, they were
designed specifically for plexigals to aluminum bonding. The only problem I saw
was
the 30 minute total working time. After that, you're committed to where the
windshiled is positioned. I suppose two people working quickly on a
windshield bonding could get all the excess cleaned up before it setup.
maybe I'll have to try it sometime.
Gary
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| Subject: | Re: Cowling Update: 7.2 |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Gil Alexander <gilalex@earthlink.net>
>
>
>Altitude/TempF/IAS (TAS)/Delpa P across the cylinders (in inches of
>water)/Hottest CHT
>(climbing, in steps, to 8000 feet)
>2347-Idle/55/0 (0)/0.5/388
>2347-runup at 1800 rpm/56/0 (0)/1.25/389
>3000-climb out at 100 knots/53/100 (106)/4.5/425
Gary... dumb question...
.....but doesn't 425 CHT at 53 OAT translate to 475 CHT when it becomes
summer and the OAT reaches 100+F???
Or is it non-linear??
gil in Tucson
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--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: TeamGrumman@aol.com
In a message dated 01/31/04 10:13:12 PM, gilalex@earthlink.net writes:
> .....but doesn't 425 CHT=A0 at 53 OAT translate to 475 CHT when it becomes
> summer and the OAT reaches 100+F???
>
> Or is it non-linear??
>
>
guess we'll have to wait and see.
I saw 388 at IDLE with an OAT of 55 and with an OAT of 113 last summer.
last summer I was seeing 445 max. We'll see what happens when the weather=20gets
hot.
Gary
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