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1. 12:18 AM - Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] (Matt Dralle)
2. 09:11 AM - Re: Credit Card Fraud (Denham, Bobby D.)
3. 10:04 AM - Re: Credit Card Fraud (TeamGrumman@aol.com)
4. 10:16 AM - Re: Credit Card Fraud (bob milligan)
5. 10:42 AM - Re: Credit Card Fraud (TeamGrumman@aol.com)
6. 12:05 PM - Re: Credit Card Fraud (linn walters)
7. 06:29 PM - Re: Credit Card Fraud HTML_TITLE_EMPTY (TeamGrumman@aol.com)
8. 06:57 PM - Using reverse number lookup (TeamGrumman@aol.com)
9. 08:39 PM - Re: Credit Card Fraud HTML_TITLE_EMPTY (ThomasTholmes512@aol.com)
10. 09:21 PM - Re: Credit Card Fraud HTML_TITLE_EMPTY (bob milligan)
11. 09:35 PM - Re: Credit Card Fraud HTML_TITLE_EMPTY (TeamGrumman@aol.com)
12. 09:45 PM - Tell Dave Goldman Happy Birthday (TeamGrumman@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] |
DNA: do not archive
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Lister,
Please read over the TeamGrumman-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
TeamGrumman-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/TeamGrumman-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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TeamGrumman-List Usage Guidelines
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You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the TeamGrumman-List in the manner described below may result
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| Subject: | Credit Card Fraud |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "Denham, Bobby D." <BDDenham@lasd.org>
Credit card fraud and identity theft is the fastest growing crime "ever".
There is very little you can really do to fully protect your identity.
There are so many ways in which thieves steal it. Gary's number could have
been stolen from any number of sources not even remotely attached to Chief.
That is why you need to keep accurate records and "always" shred everything.
The computer and internet are wonderful inventions and open the entire world
to us, including your identity. It is very very easy to steal identity.
Law Enforcement agencies are overwhelmed with cases. They work less than
two percent of all cases. It is difficult to identify the offenders as well
as prosecute them. Many of them live in different states or even different
countries. I wish I had better news but that's the reality.
Bob
Maybe I should use disguise my name and spell it backwards!
-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Roy [mailto:Savannah174@msn.com]
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Credit Card Fraud
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "Roger Roy" <Savannah174@msn.com>
Gary, This whole thing and tread about your credit card is starting to cause
me losing sleep, I think I'll discuss this with my CC Co. and see if there
is some magic bullet that can be put in place for protection should this
happen to me, thanks for bringing this problem to the forefront
Roger J. Roy
AA1B
----- Original Message -----
From: TeamGrumman@aol.com
To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 10:58 PM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Credit Card Fraud
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: TeamGrumman@aol.com
In a message dated 01/31/04 01:17:41 PM, Savannah174@msn.com writes:
> Gary, If you used that card to order from Chief and they have a secured
web
> site how did you card get in the hands of a theif? I order a lot of
stuff
> from them now I'm a little worried, Got any ideas? What did your card
Co.20say
> when you reported it? Or is this small potatos to them?A0 Cheers
>
Good question. Just by luck.
The other day I received a box of 5 DVDs from Columbia House. When I
called
them, I learned that I had ordered (though the internet) the DVDs a week
or
so earlier and used my credit card. As is their policy, they always ship
to
the billing address on the credit card. They cancelled all remaining
orders
and I sent back the DVDs they sent.
Then, I called the Credit Card compnay and told them what happened. The
card was also used to order from PC Treasures. They were closed when I
called
them. I'll try again on Monday and find out where the stuff was sent.
I'll let you know when happens next,
Gary
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| Subject: | Re: Credit Card Fraud |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: TeamGrumman@aol.com
In a message dated 02/02/04 09:18:51 AM, BDDenham@lasd.org writes:
> Credit card fraud and identity theft is the fastest growing crime "ever".
> ...=A0 Gary's number could have been stolen from any number of sources not
> even remotely attached to Chief. That is why you need to keep accurate records
> and "always" shred everything.
> The computer and internet are wonderful inventions and open the entire world
> to us, including your identity.=A0 .... I wish I had better news but that's
> the reality.
>
I have some good news. I tracked down the son-of-a-bitch. He lives in
Santa Barbara
Gary
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| Subject: | Re: Credit Card Fraud |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: bob milligan <flyer.bob@verizon.net>
on 2/2/04 10:04 AM, TeamGrumman@aol.com at TeamGrumman@aol.com wrote:
>
> I have some good news. I tracked down the son-of-a-bitch. He lives in
> Santa Barbara
>
> Gary
>
Gray,
That is good news. Now if you could just save on your car insurance!
Sorry.
Bob Milligan
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| Subject: | Re: Credit Card Fraud |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: TeamGrumman@aol.com
In a message dated 02/02/04 09:18:51 AM, BDDenham@lasd.org writes:
> Law Enforcement agencies are overwhelmed credit card fraud cases.=A0 They
> work less than two percent of all cases.=A0
>
Well, as it turns out, BDenham is right. The police don't care.
OK, so the law enforcement agencies don't give a damn. Maybe the internet
makes a difference.
Here is the information. for the guy who is using stolen credit cards.
Robert Zwalze
717 Alice Street Apt A
Santa Barbara, CA 93101
(805) 560-1391
I would appreciate it if someone could post this to the Grumman Gang (I can
receive GG posts on this screen name, I just can't post to the GG on this
screen name) just so more people are aware of who this joker is and maybe=20someone
will be in a position to at least slow this guy down.
Gary
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| Subject: | Re: Credit Card Fraud |
HTML_TITLE_EMPTY
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
TeamGrumman@aol.com wrote:
>--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: TeamGrumman@aol.com
>
>In a message dated 02/02/04 09:18:51 AM, BDDenham@lasd.org writes:
>
>
>
>>Law Enforcement agencies are overwhelmed credit card fraud cases.=A0 They
>>work less than two percent of all cases.=A0
>>
>>
>>
>Well, as it turns out, BDenham is right. The police don't care.
>
>OK, so the law enforcement agencies don't give a damn. Maybe the internet
>makes a difference.
>
>Here is the information. for the guy who is using stolen credit cards.
>
>Robert Zwalze
>717 Alice Street Apt A
>Santa Barbara, CA 93101
>(805) 560-1391
>
>I would appreciate it if someone could post this to the Grumman Gang (I can
>receive GG posts on this screen name, I just can't post to the GG on this
>screen name) just so more people are aware of who this joker is and maybe=20someone
>will be in a position to at least slow this guy down.
>
>Gary
>
You will have to go down to the police station and fet in their face.
If you just accept 'no' then they're off the hook. Ask them if there's
a law on the books that they're not enforcing etc. Do the same at your
State Attorney's office. You may have to think up more embarassing
questions to ask.
Linn
Oh yeah, you could always slip someone a grand and ....... Nah, that's
against the law too!
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Credit Card Fraud HTML_TITLE_EMPTY |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: TeamGrumman@aol.com
In a message dated 02/02/04 12:06:21 PM, lwalters2@cfl.rr.com writes:
> Oh yeah, you could always slip someone a grand and .......=A0=A0 Nah, that's
> against the law too!
> do not archive
>
I was thinking we could all email him and let him know the world knows he
steals credit cards....
MION@BenHad.com
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| Subject: | Using reverse number lookup |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: TeamGrumman@aol.com
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Ya gotta love the internet.
I did a reverse lookup on the phone number and this is what I got.
Robert=A0Zwalve
717 Olive St
Santa Barbara, CA 93101-1545
805-560-1391
MION@benhad.com
Seems he gave the folks a PC Treasures a fake address. I'm going to try
some other lookups.
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Sandra Jimenez
717 Olive St
Santa Barbara, CA 93101-1545
805-962-2446
Interesting. Not even the same name or phone number
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Looking up on another site shows both Robert and Sandra are at that address.
They probably scam a lot of credit cards. Can't be cheap to live in Santa
Barbara.
Gary
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| Subject: | Re: Credit Card Fraud HTML_TITLE_EMPTY |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: ThomasTholmes512@aol.com
Snail mail is more appropriate, and safer.
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| Subject: | Re: Credit Card Fraud HTML_TITLE_EMPTY |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: bob milligan <flyer.bob@verizon.net>
on 2/2/04 8:38 PM, ThomasTholmes512@aol.com at ThomasTholmes512@aol.com
wrote:
> --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: ThomasTholmes512@aol.com
>
> Snail mail is more appropriate, and safer.
>
>
>
>
>
>
Maybe the Santa Barbara paper has an investigative reporter who would like a
juicy story to dig up.
Bob Milligan
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| Subject: | Re: Credit Card Fraud HTML_TITLE_EMPTY |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: TeamGrumman@aol.com
In a message dated 02/02/04 09:21:46 PM, flyer.bob@verizon.net writes:
> Maybe the Santa Barbara paper has an investigative reporter who would like
> a
> juicy story to dig up.
>
> Bob Milligan
>
>
Good idea
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| Subject: | Tell Dave Goldman Happy Birthday |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: TeamGrumman@aol.com
He's 60 years old on Groundhog Day
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