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1. 07:44 AM - Re: Heat Box Control Arms (Continued) (flyv35b)
2. 10:39 AM - Re: Heat Box Control Arms (Continued) (TeamGrumman@aol.com)
3. 10:43 AM - Re: Oil Cooler Inlet Ducts (TeamGrumman@aol.com)
4. 07:08 PM - Re: Heat Box Control Arms (Continued) (Steven Jackson)
5. 09:18 PM - Re: Heat Box Control Arms (Continued) (flyv35b)
6. 09:50 PM - Re: Re: Heat Box Control Arms (Continued) (Charles Adams)
7. 10:34 PM - Football Games (TeamGrumman@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Heat Box Control Arms (Continued) |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "flyv35b" <flyv35b@ashcreekwireless.com>
The thing that strikes me about this whole post and discussion is that I
don't recall that the model aircraft was mentioned or that it had a
different engine installed (Collier STC'd O-320) until now or that the
airbox had been modified. It is really difficult to make comments to assist
the owner when this information is not given. This should be the first
thing that is said when the original post is made. Otherwise everyone is
just guessing. And if someone has modified or "customized" the airbox and
the butterfly valve/shaft it's pretty hard to know what they did without
looking at it or photos or a very good description.
Cliff A&P/IA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven Jackson" <steven.jackson14@adelphia.net>
Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Heat Box Control Arms (Continued)
> --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "Steven Jackson"
<steven.jackson14@adelphia.net>
>
> TG,
>
> Sorry to draw this out. Tried everything short of banging on the control
> arm with a hammer today, with the valve off the shaft of the cabin heat
box.
> Now, I know its supposed to come out with the valve out. But, it doesn't.
> I'm curious as to whether or not someone might have removed the original
> heat boxes when the engine conversion was done, back in '78. The adapter
> that connects the air intake duct to the carb heat box has had the
original
> rivets removed, and new ones installed on the heat box. There's only 1
set
> of holes on the heat box. I guess it stands to reason that there could
have
> been a substitution done, albeit one not listed in the logbook
(naturally).
>
> Personally, besides the parts not being officially approved parts, I'm not
> so concerned about the boxes and shafts. What I would like to do is
remove
> the shafts so I can get the boxes fixed up really nice. So, my mechanic
> said if we get desperate, we could cut the arm off the shaft and remove it
> that way--but, looking at the control arm and shaft, I'm not convinced
that
> its the control arm that's holding the shaft in there. It almost feels
like
> there's some internal lock inside the bushings that keeping them in. I
know
> someone mentioned yesterday that the bushings were supposed to be rubber
> grommets, but mine are hard plastic, and don't look pliable at all.
There's
> also a doubler welded on top of the flange where the bushings are
connected
> to both boxes. Could it be that that doubler is on top of some other
plate
> connected to the shaft?
>
> I'm looking in the Collier STC to see if it called for replacing the
boxes,
> but so far I haven't seen anything.
>
> If anyone knows or has a recommendation, I'm all ears...
>
> Thanks,
>
> Steven Jackson
> '75 AA-1B, O-320 (Collier) Conversion
> N1434R
> L22
> Yucca Valley, CA
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Heat Box Control Arms (Continued) |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: TeamGrumman@aol.com
In a message dated 02/04/04 10:01:29 PM, steven.jackson14@adelphia.net
writes:
> Gary, the original conversion was done by Ernest Towers of Palmdale, CA.
> Does that name ring a bell?=A0 (I know it was a long time ago).
>
>
Yea, I know Ernie. He's still around. He's like 100 years old. He's a
fellow QB. He has told stories of flying into Germany in WWII. He's quite a
character.
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Cooler Inlet Ducts |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: TeamGrumman@aol.com
Bill Kelly's Collier Conversion has the oil cooler mounted on the firewall.
if it were me, I'd leave it behind #4. It's clean, simple, and the oil
lines are short.
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| Subject: | Heat Box Control Arms (Continued) |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "Steven Jackson" <steven.jackson14@adelphia.net>
Hey Cliff and the rest of TG,
First, Sorry to cause confusion at the beginning of this. I (being an owner
and not a mechanic) sometimes forget that certain facets of the different
models and STC's can mean different parts or solutions are necessary. I
apologize for wasting your time with the original post. THAT, won't happen
again. You and your fellow experts that take the time to post and answer
our endless, ignorant questions are an invaluable resource, and no matter
what perception comes across (because of the loss of tone, body language,
and inflection normally associated with a spoken conversation that's lost in
an email), I appreciate you taking the time to answer. Second, since the
Collier STC paperwork does not mention replacing the air boxes with another
variety, I (incorrectly apparently) assumed that the one's I have on my
plane would be the stock Grumman AA-1 air boxes. I was hoping that this
problem had a very simple answer that you guys could help out with, so I
didn't think pictures would be necessary.
The bottom line is that I ignorantly bought a junk airplane with a bad
engine, and now, all I am trying to do is fix it up as best I can with the
resources I have. My mechanic is fantastic, but he admittedly doesn't know
Grummans and keeps telling me to ask you guys what you think. If I've
pissed you off in the past, or have offended anyone through all my ignorant
posts, I appologize. I'm just trying to get some answers.
So, with apology offered, what do you think? Are these not stock boxes?
I'll try to post some pictures if that is necessary. I'm just glad no one
is talking about Cirrus insurance prices, flap settings for takeoff, or FAR
legalism. Maybe Gary's got another joke for us?
Thanks again,
Steven Jackson
'75 AA-1B 160HP O-320 (Collier Conversion)
Ser# 0534
N1434R
L22
Yucca Valley, CA
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| Subject: | Re: Heat Box Control Arms (Continued) |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "flyv35b" <flyv35b@ashcreekwireless.com>
Steve, there is no apology needed. I just mentioned that people should say
what plane and engine they have so that there is less confusion when trying
to figure out what is going on and answer questions.
The Collier STC is notorious for being very vague and not detailing many of
the modifications that are or were done. That is bad in some ways and maybe
good in others as it allows a lot of leeway in doing the modifications the
way you or the mechanic want to do it.
I suspect that you have a stock 2 place airbox that has been modified
somehow. It should be pretty obvious to your mechanic how the shaft is held
in to the airbox. I can't imagine that it is all that difficult. All the
ones I have seen are removable after the butterfly plate inside has been
removed. Sorry I can't be more specific without seeing it.
Cliff A&P/IA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven Jackson" <steven.jackson14@adelphia.net>
Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Heat Box Control Arms (Continued)
> --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "Steven Jackson"
<steven.jackson14@adelphia.net>
>
> Hey Cliff and the rest of TG,
>
> First, Sorry to cause confusion at the beginning of this. I (being an
owner
> and not a mechanic) sometimes forget that certain facets of the different
> models and STC's can mean different parts or solutions are necessary. I
> apologize for wasting your time with the original post. THAT, won't
happen
> again. You and your fellow experts that take the time to post and answer
> our endless, ignorant questions are an invaluable resource, and no matter
> what perception comes across (because of the loss of tone, body language,
> and inflection normally associated with a spoken conversation that's lost
in
> an email), I appreciate you taking the time to answer. Second, since the
> Collier STC paperwork does not mention replacing the air boxes with
another
> variety, I (incorrectly apparently) assumed that the one's I have on my
> plane would be the stock Grumman AA-1 air boxes. I was hoping that this
> problem had a very simple answer that you guys could help out with, so I
> didn't think pictures would be necessary.
>
> The bottom line is that I ignorantly bought a junk airplane with a bad
> engine, and now, all I am trying to do is fix it up as best I can with the
> resources I have. My mechanic is fantastic, but he admittedly doesn't
know
> Grummans and keeps telling me to ask you guys what you think. If I've
> pissed you off in the past, or have offended anyone through all my
ignorant
> posts, I appologize. I'm just trying to get some answers.
>
> So, with apology offered, what do you think? Are these not stock boxes?
> I'll try to post some pictures if that is necessary. I'm just glad no one
> is talking about Cirrus insurance prices, flap settings for takeoff, or
FAR
> legalism. Maybe Gary's got another joke for us?
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Steven Jackson
> '75 AA-1B 160HP O-320 (Collier Conversion)
> Ser# 0534
> N1434R
> L22
> Yucca Valley, CA
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Heat Box Control Arms (Continued) |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Charles Adams <cradams2@adelphia.net>
Been gone a week.I thought this started as a heat box problem, has that changed
to airbox?
Charlie Adams
>
> From: "flyv35b" <flyv35b@ashcreekwireless.com>
> Date: 2004/02/05 Thu PM 09:18:38 PST
> To: <teamgrumman-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Heat Box Control Arms (Continued)
>
>
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--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: TeamGrumman@aol.com
In a message dated 02/05/04 07:08:59 PM, steven.jackson14@adelphia.net
writes:
> Maybe Gary's got another joke for us?
>
>
Well, being put on the spot, this is the best I could do
Football game analyzed....by a blonde
=A0=A0 A guy took his blonde girlfriend to her first football game. They had
great seats right behind their team's bench. After the game, he asked her how she
liked the experience.
=A0=A0 "Oh, I really liked it," she replied "especially the tight pants and=20all
the big muscles, but I just couldn't understand why they were killing each
other for 25 cents."
=A0=A0 Dumbfounded, her date asked, "What do you mean?"
=A0=A0 "Well..." she said, "I saw them flip a coin and one team got it and then
for the rest of the game, all they kept screaming was: 'Get the quarterback!
Get the quarterback!' Hel-LLLO...it's only 25 cents! I hate to think what they'd
do if it was a whole DOLLAR?'
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