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1. 12:16 AM - Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] (Matt Dralle)
2. 02:43 AM - Life in the friendly skies (David Feinstein)
3. 06:35 AM - Re: Life in the friendly skies (flyv35b)
4. 06:57 AM - Did Anyone Else See This? AOPA E-Pilot Excerpt (Steven Jackson)
5. 07:55 AM - Re: Did Anyone Else See This? AOPA E-Pilot Exc (Park, Edward)
6. 09:14 AM - Earlier Post (Steven Jackson)
7. 09:20 AM - Earlier Post (Steven Jackson)
8. 01:24 PM - Re: Did Anyone Else See This? AOPA E-Pilot Excerpt (FLYaDIVE@aol.com)
9. 01:31 PM - Re: Life in the friendly skies (N27160@aol.com)
10. 04:10 PM - Re: Life in the friendly skies (Walt Beaulieu)
11. 07:44 PM - Re: Life in the friendly skies (FLYaDIVE@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] |
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--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Lister,
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Matt Dralle
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<gabriel.pettner@perkinelmer.com>,
"Anne Feinstein" <Feinstein.Designs@verizon.net>
| Subject: | Life in the friendly skies |
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--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "David Feinstein" <david@carneyaviation.com>
I just took my first commercial airplane ride since 2000. So this was my
first encounter with the TSA, and I must say there were no surprises.
My boarding pass came out with "*S*" stamped on it, so I got some personal
attention while trying to get through to the gate. The goons separated me
from my driver's license for a while and led me to a nearby public area,
where I
- took everything out of my pockets
- took off my shoes
- took off my belt
- surrendered my wallet to X-ray
- got wanded all over
- got poked and prodded all over
... and was finally allowed to proceed into the land of flying sewer tubes.
At the other end, I retrieved my checked bag, where I had stashed my pocket
knife, and found it sealed with some tough plastic thingy that I couldn't cut
because I wasn't carrying my knife.
After breaking into my luggage, I found a notice telling me I was the second
one to do so. The TSA had completely rearranged my belongings, and left a
slip informing me that they had sought out and removed contraband like safety
matches, which are permitted if you carry them onto the plane.
I left work about noon and got to my hotel about 7:30. This would have been
under a four-hour Mooney flight, to an airport one mile from the hotel.
I love those little airplanes, and yesterday I was reminded why.
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| Subject: | Re: Life in the friendly skies |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "flyv35b" <flyv35b@ashcreekwireless.com>
> I left work about noon and got to my hotel about 7:30. This would have
been
> under a four-hour Mooney flight, to an airport one mile from the hotel.
>
> I love those little airplanes, and yesterday I was reminded why.
You and a lot of other people that travel on business are finding out that
travel by GA aircraft is maybe a good way to go. And this is driving a lot
of new aircraft sales.
Cliff
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Feinstein" <david@carneyaviation.com>
<gabriel.pettner@perkinelmer.com>; "Anne Feinstein"
<Feinstein.Designs@verizon.net>
Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Life in the friendly skies
> --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "David Feinstein"
<david@carneyaviation.com>
>
> I just took my first commercial airplane ride since 2000. So this was my
> first encounter with the TSA, and I must say there were no surprises.
>
> My boarding pass came out with "*S*" stamped on it, so I got some personal
> attention while trying to get through to the gate. The goons separated me
> from my driver's license for a while and led me to a nearby public area,
> where I
> - took everything out of my pockets
> - took off my shoes
> - took off my belt
> - surrendered my wallet to X-ray
> - got wanded all over
> - got poked and prodded all over
> ... and was finally allowed to proceed into the land of flying sewer
tubes.
>
> At the other end, I retrieved my checked bag, where I had stashed my
pocket
> knife, and found it sealed with some tough plastic thingy that I couldn't
cut
> because I wasn't carrying my knife.
>
> After breaking into my luggage, I found a notice telling me I was the
second
> one to do so. The TSA had completely rearranged my belongings, and left a
> slip informing me that they had sought out and removed contraband like
safety
> matches, which are permitted if you carry them onto the plane.
>
> I left work about noon and got to my hotel about 7:30. This would have
been
> under a four-hour Mooney flight, to an airport one mile from the hotel.
>
> I love those little airplanes, and yesterday I was reminded why.
>
>
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| Subject: | Did Anyone Else See This? AOPA E-Pilot Excerpt |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "Steven Jackson" <steven.jackson14@adelphia.net>
Since no one got hurt on this one, and since I'm from North Carolina and
know people like this, I laughed my butt off--especially given the first
description. Not condoning it--just know some good humor when I see it...
RACE FAN GETS SIX MONTHS FOR FIRING AT CROP DUSTER
A NASCAR fan armed with a deer rifle and emboldened by a high blood-alcohol
level has been sent to prison for six months after firing on a North
Carolina crop duster last year. The man opened fire on D. Wayne Slaughter,
who owns Wa-Lu Aviation in Farmville, North Carolina. Medication may have
enhanced the effects of the alcohol, the shooter's attorney told the court.
The shooter couldn't hear the televised race while Slaughter was legally
dusting pine trees nearby, so he successfully drove the airplane off after a
12-shot volley. Three of the shots hit the aircraft, one piercing the wing a
foot from the Air Tractor's fuel tank and another causing the battery to
explode. The pilot was not hit but suffered mental anguish. Slaughter, past
president of the National Agricultural Aviation Association, said he hopes
publicity about his case will encourage other ag pilots to report similar
incidents.
Steven Jackson
N1434R
L22
Yucca Valley, CA
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| Subject: | Did Anyone Else See This? AOPA E-Pilot Exc |
erpt
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "Park, Edward" <edward.park@IngramMicro.com>
Friend of mine got his foot, ankle, tibia, fibia (fibula). .. His whole
right leg destroyed when some yahoo fired a high-power rifle at his crop
dusting helicopter. They caught that guy and he got 15 years or something
like that for attempted murder, among other charges. Friend still walks
with a limp. . . But then he used to fly around in huey's in 'nam firing
rockets and 7.62mm mini-guns at the gooks. . . Ironically, he never got hit
while over there.
Since no one got hurt on this one, and since I'm from North Carolina and
know people like this, I laughed my butt off--especially given the first
description. Not condoning it--just know some good humor when I see it...
Steven Jackson
N1434R
L22
Yucca Valley, CA
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--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "Steven Jackson" <steven.jackson14@adelphia.net>
Sorry, I didn't know that was a regularly occuring type of incident. I'd
never heard of it before.
Steve
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--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "Steven Jackson" <steven.jackson14@adelphia.net>
Sorry, I didn't know that was a regularly occuring type of incident. I'd
never heard of it before.
Steve
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| Subject: | Re: Did Anyone Else See This? AOPA E-Pilot Excerpt |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: FLYaDIVE@aol.com
In a message dated 4/2/04 9:57:56 AM Eastern Standard Time,
steven.jackson14@adelphia.net writes:
> Since no one got hurt on this one, and since I'm from North Carolina and
> know people like this, I laughed my butt off--especially given the first
> description. Not condoning it--just know some good humor when I see it...
>
> RACE FAN GETS SIX MONTHS FOR FIRING AT CROP DUSTER
> A NASCAR fan armed with a deer rifle and emboldened by a high blood-alcohol
> level has been sent to prison for six months after firing on a North
> Carolina crop duster last year. The man opened fire on D. Wayne Slaughter,
> who owns Wa-Lu Aviation in Farmville, North Carolina. Medication may have
> enhanced the effects of the alcohol, the shooter's attorney told the court.
> The shooter couldn't hear the televised race while Slaughter was legally
> dusting pine trees nearby, so he successfully drove the airplane off after
a
> 12-shot volley. Three of the shots hit the aircraft, one piercing the wing
a
> foot from the Air Tractor's fuel tank and another causing the battery to
> explode. The pilot was not hit but suffered mental anguish. Slaughter, past
> president of the National Agricultural Aviation Association, said he hopes
> publicity about his case will encourage other ag pilots to report similar
> incidents.
>
>
> Steven Jackson
> N1434R
> L22
> Yucca Valley, CA
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YUP...Sure did!
That's why I retaliate... I drop TP Bombs.
Barry
"Chop'd Liver"
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| Subject: | Re: Life in the friendly skies |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: N27160@aol.com
When I tell people that I fly my Cheetah from Tulsa to Dallas all the time
most will ask how long it takes to fly there. 1.5-2 hours.
They say, but Southwest only takes 50 minutes.
Thats when we start the explanation about "travel time" vs "flying time," and
the door to door concept. And most non flyers dont think about going to an
airport other than the airline aiport they are familiar with.
Just think about how long it takes to rent a car at a FBO vs at an airline
terminal with the line to do the contract, wait on shuttle to the rental car
facility, line to get actual keys, bags in car, and line to exit the facility
parking lot.
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| Subject: | Life in the friendly skies |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "Walt Beaulieu" <aviation@acs-group.net>
Sadly, On the short runs, Driving appears to be even faster than either
commercial
or low speed aircraft.. AKA yankee,cherokee,C172. Twice my wife and I left
at the same time hers was a 3-3.5 hour drive once to Austin and once to
southeast texas. She beat me to the destination both times in the car.
Walt
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
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Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Life in the friendly skies
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: N27160@aol.com
When I tell people that I fly my Cheetah from Tulsa to Dallas all the time
most will ask how long it takes to fly there. 1.5-2 hours.
They say, but Southwest only takes 50 minutes.
Thats when we start the explanation about "travel time" vs "flying time,"
and
the door to door concept. And most non flyers dont think about going to an
airport other than the airline aiport they are familiar with.
Just think about how long it takes to rent a car at a FBO vs at an airline
terminal with the line to do the contract, wait on shuttle to the rental car
facility, line to get actual keys, bags in car, and line to exit the
facility
parking lot.
Message 11
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| Subject: | Re: Life in the friendly skies |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: FLYaDIVE@aol.com
In a message dated 4/2/04 7:11:17 PM Eastern Standard Time,
aviation@acs-group.net writes:
> --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "Walt Beaulieu" <aviation@acs-group.
> net>
>
> Sadly, On the short runs, Driving appears to be even faster than either
> commercial
> or low speed aircraft.. AKA yankee,cherokee,C172. Twice my wife and I left
> at the same time hers was a 3-3.5 hour drive once to Austin and once to
> southeast texas. She beat me to the destination both times in the car.
>
> Walt
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But! Who had the most fun? And who had to put up with road rage?
Barry
"Chop'd Liver"
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