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1. 04:00 AM - Re: Elevator rigging (FLYaDIVE@aol.com)
2. 06:31 AM - Re: Elevator rigging (flyv35b)
3. 07:37 AM - Re: Elevator rigging (Gil Alexander)
4. 08:09 AM - rudder pedal extensions (Anna3003@aol.com)
5. 08:26 AM - Re: rudder pedal extensions (Bob Milligan)
6. 10:24 AM - Re: rudder pedal extensions (Anna3003@aol.com)
7. 05:10 PM - Re: rudder pedal extensions (FLYaDIVE@aol.com)
8. 07:20 PM - Re: rudder pedal extensions (A. F. Cacella)
9. 08:14 PM - Re: rudder pedal extensions (flyv35b)
10. 08:37 PM - Re: Elevator rigging (ThomasTholmes512@aol.com)
11. 09:18 PM - Re: rudder pedal extensions (A. F. Cacella)
12. 09:26 PM - Re: Autopilot (TeamGrumman@aol.com)
13. 09:28 PM - Re: Elevator rigging (TeamGrumman@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator rigging |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: FLYaDIVE@aol.com
In a message dated 5/23/04 1:02:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
gilalex@earthlink.net writes:
> --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Gil Alexander
<gilalex@earthlink.net>
>
> Does anyone know the dimension of the special tool that sets the control
> column at neutral for the elevators??
>
> I thought I'd check the rigging and elevator travel while the "top" is off
> the aft fuselage after the SAIB stiffener repair, and everything is more
> accessible without the vertical stab installed...
>
> thanks gil in Tucson
======================
Gill:
It is not that easy ... the tool that is. There are no dimension that can be
written down to convert the tool to a simple measurement. The tool has a
curvature to it that matches with the curvature of the Horz Stab and then had a
protractor configuration on the trailing edge so you can get the arc
measurements of the elevator and trim tab. The measurements (arc readings) are
in your
maintenance manual. There is no reason to remove "top" or any part of the
plane. O! There is also a tool (small length of flat aluminum) to set the yoke
position for neutral, prior to measuring the arc of travel.
Barry
"Chop'd Liver"
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator rigging |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "flyv35b" <flyv35b@ashcreekwireless.com>
> > Does anyone know the dimension of the special tool that sets the
control
> > column at neutral for the elevators??
> >
> Gill:
>
> It is not that easy ... the tool that is. There are no dimension that can
be
> written down to convert the tool to a simple measurement. The tool has a
> curvature to it that matches with the curvature of the Horz Stab and then
had a
> protractor configuration on the trailing edge so you can get the arc
> measurements of the elevator and trim tab.
Barry, that's not the tool he is talking about. It is the short aluminum
bar that goes between the instrument panel and the yoke to hold the elevator
in the neutral position. I don't know the length but I like to get it also
so I can make a fixture.
Cliff A&P/IA
----- Original Message -----
From: <FLYaDIVE@aol.com>
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Elevator rigging
> --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: FLYaDIVE@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 5/23/04 1:02:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> gilalex@earthlink.net writes:
>
> > --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Gil Alexander
> <gilalex@earthlink.net>
> >
> > Does anyone know the dimension of the special tool that sets the
control
> > column at neutral for the elevators??
> >
> > I thought I'd check the rigging and elevator travel while the "top" is
off
> > the aft fuselage after the SAIB stiffener repair, and everything is
more
> > accessible without the vertical stab installed...
> >
> > thanks gil in Tucson
> ======================
> Gill:
>
> It is not that easy ... the tool that is. There are no dimension that can
be
> written down to convert the tool to a simple measurement. The tool has a
> curvature to it that matches with the curvature of the Horz Stab and then
had a
> protractor configuration on the trailing edge so you can get the arc
> measurements of the elevator and trim tab. The measurements (arc
readings) are in your
> maintenance manual. There is no reason to remove "top" or any part of the
> plane. O! There is also a tool (small length of flat aluminum) to set the
yoke
> position for neutral, prior to measuring the arc of travel.
>
> Barry
> "Chop'd Liver"
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator rigging |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Gil Alexander <gilalex@earthlink.net>
Yes...Cliff got it right.... it's the bar by the instrument panel.
I use the "insert" from a digital level taped to the control surface for
the deflection measurement.
It should be as accurate as the factory big curved thingy...
The neutral position is defined in the MM by the elevator counterweights
being flush with the horizontal stab, so a zero reference is easy to obtain.
...gil A
At 06:28 AM 5/23/2004, you wrote:
>--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "flyv35b"
><flyv35b@ashcreekwireless.com>
>
> > > Does anyone know the dimension of the special tool that sets the
>control
> > > column at neutral for the elevators??
> > >
> > Gill:
> >
> > It is not that easy ... the tool that is. There are no dimension that can
>be
> > written down to convert the tool to a simple measurement. The tool has a
> > curvature to it that matches with the curvature of the Horz Stab and then
>had a
> > protractor configuration on the trailing edge so you can get the arc
> > measurements of the elevator and trim tab.
>
>Barry, that's not the tool he is talking about. It is the short aluminum
>bar that goes between the instrument panel and the yoke to hold the elevator
>in the neutral position. I don't know the length but I like to get it also
>so I can make a fixture.
>
>Cliff A&P/IA
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <FLYaDIVE@aol.com>
>To: <teamgrumman-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Elevator rigging
>
>
> > --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: FLYaDIVE@aol.com
> >
> > In a message dated 5/23/04 1:02:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > gilalex@earthlink.net writes:
> >
> > > --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Gil Alexander
> > <gilalex@earthlink.net>
> > >
> > > Does anyone know the dimension of the special tool that sets the
>control
> > > column at neutral for the elevators??
> > >
> > > I thought I'd check the rigging and elevator travel while the "top" is
>off
> > > the aft fuselage after the SAIB stiffener repair, and everything is
>more
> > > accessible without the vertical stab installed...
> > >
> > > thanks gil in Tucson
> > ======================
> > Gill:
> >
> > It is not that easy ... the tool that is. There are no dimension that can
>be
> > written down to convert the tool to a simple measurement. The tool has a
> > curvature to it that matches with the curvature of the Horz Stab and then
>had a
> > protractor configuration on the trailing edge so you can get the arc
> > measurements of the elevator and trim tab. The measurements (arc
>readings) are in your
> > maintenance manual. There is no reason to remove "top" or any part of the
> > plane. O! There is also a tool (small length of flat aluminum) to set the
>yoke
> > position for neutral, prior to measuring the arc of travel.
> >
> > Barry
> > "Chop'd Liver"
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | rudder pedal extensions |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Anna3003@aol.com
I dont often fly solo in my Tiger, but last Sunday I was bringing n74400 aka
Christine back to Lancaster to get the new wheel pants put on and had to do
the run up all by myself. (usually, my taller right seat passenger holds the
brakes for me) This entails my stretching out on tiptoe to keep the plane from
moving. This time I got a calf cramp and almost lost it. I'm already using a
back cushion, and any closer would not give me full extension for the controls,
as well as making it extremely difficult to see the engine instruments way over
on the right side.
my question. Any legal mods to extend the pedals for a person with short
legs?=A0 You can answer off the list since I imagine this is not a general problem.
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| Subject: | Re: rudder pedal extensions |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Bob Milligan <flyer.bob@verizon.net>
A previous owner of my Cheetah had obtained approval for a rudder pedal
"extension" which enabled his wife to reach the pedals. If this is of
interest, I can do a search for a copy.
Bob Milligan
On May 23, 2004, at 8:06 AM, Anna3003@aol.com wrote:
> --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Anna3003@aol.com
>
> I dont often fly solo in my Tiger, but last Sunday I was bringing
> n74400 aka
> Christine back to Lancaster to get the new wheel pants put on and had
> to do
> the run up all by myself. (usually, my taller right seat passenger
> holds the
> brakes for me) This entails my stretching out on tiptoe to keep the
> plane from
> moving. This time I got a calf cramp and almost lost it. I'm already
> using a
> back cushion, and any closer would not give me full extension for the
> controls,
> as well as making it extremely difficult to see the engine instruments
> way over
> on the right side.
> my question. Any legal mods to extend the pedals for a person with
> short
> legs?=A0 You can answer off the list since I imagine this is not a
> general problem.
>
>
> _-
> =======================================================================
> _-
> =======================================================================
> _-
> =======================================================================
> _-
> =======================================================================
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: rudder pedal extensions |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Anna3003@aol.com
I'd be most grateful for any information. I dont think the run-up should be
dependent on a person in the right seat to hold the brakes.
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| Subject: | Re: rudder pedal extensions |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: FLYaDIVE@aol.com
In a message dated 5/23/04 11:10:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
Anna3003@aol.com writes:
> I dont often fly solo in my Tiger, but last Sunday I was bringing n74400 aka
> Christine back to Lancaster to get the new wheel pants put on and had to do
> the run up all by myself. (usually, my taller right seat passenger holds
the
> brakes for me) This entails my stretching out on tiptoe to keep the plane
> from
> moving. This time I got a calf cramp and almost lost it. I'm already using
a
> back cushion, and any closer would not give me full extension for the
> controls,
> as well as making it extremely difficult to see the engine instruments way
> over
> on the right side.
> my question. Any legal mods to extend the pedals for a person with short
> legs?=A0 You can answer off the list since I imagine this is not a general
> problem.
============================
Anna:
Yes, a long time back a fellow AYA'er & GG'er had a 337 done for pedal
extensions. I know I have a copy of the 337 amongst my paperwork. It was a simple
mod but just a bit costly.
To the existing peddles a second set of peddles are mounted using four
locking nuts and bolts with a 2x4 wood spacer. The expensive part is of course
the
second set of peddles. They have to have the rear pivot points ground off.
Why was I interested in extension peddles when I am 6 ft tall? I was
considering the advantage of moving my seat further back to move the CG further
back.
Barry
"Chop'd Liver"
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| Subject: | Re: rudder pedal extensions |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "A. F. Cacella" <n4zd@juno.com>
>> Anna3003@aol.com writes:
>> Any legal mods to extend the pedals for a person
>> with short legs?
> FLYaDIVE@aol.com writes:
> Yes, a long time back a fellow AYA'er & GG'er had a
> 337 done for pedal extensions. I know I have a copy
> of the 337 amongst my paperwork.
> It was a simple mod but just a bit costly.
> To the existing peddles a second set of peddles are mounted
> using four locking nuts and bolts with a 2x4 wood spacer.
> The expensive part is of course the second set of peddles.
> They have to have the rear pivot points ground off.
Sets of loose rudder pedals show up on eBay frequently
and are often inexpensive. Some models of Cessna pedals
look just like ours, but dimensions would have to be verified.
OTOH, if the "337" referred to is a FSDO Field Approval,
maybe try first to approach the FSDO with a proposal for
more simple wood blocks alone?
A length of 4 x 6 post could be cut to the right height and
width to cover the face of the existing pedal, then cut on
the backside to fit down into the "V-shape" of the pedal
surface. Cut again on the front side to copy that V-shape.
Four or more 10-32 or 1/4" bolts then fit through holes
drilled in the face (corners) of the rudder pedal and
countersunk holes in the block. A covering of the front
with adhesive backed "wing walk" material completes the job.
A couple of engineering drawings describing the wood blocks'
shape and specifing all the hardware precisely might Pass thru
the FSDO very easily --- if your IA even thinks their approval
is required; he might sign it off himself as a Minor alteration to
the cabin interior.
Good luck!
a r t
Art Cacella 1970 American AA-1 N6155L "Dinkie"
Winston-Salem, NC
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| Subject: | Re: rudder pedal extensions |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "flyv35b" <flyv35b@ashcreekwireless.com>
A couple of engineering drawings describing the wood blocks'
> shape and specifing all the hardware precisely might Pass thru
> the FSDO very easily --- if your IA even thinks their approval
> is required; he might sign it off himself as a Minor alteration to
> the cabin interior.
You must be dreaming!
Cliff A&P/IA
----- Original Message -----
From: "A. F. Cacella" <n4zd@juno.com>
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: rudder pedal extensions
> --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "A. F. Cacella" <n4zd@juno.com>
>
> >> Anna3003@aol.com writes:
> >> Any legal mods to extend the pedals for a person
> >> with short legs?
>
> > FLYaDIVE@aol.com writes:
> > Yes, a long time back a fellow AYA'er & GG'er had a
> > 337 done for pedal extensions. I know I have a copy
> > of the 337 amongst my paperwork.
> > It was a simple mod but just a bit costly.
> > To the existing peddles a second set of peddles are mounted
> > using four locking nuts and bolts with a 2x4 wood spacer.
> > The expensive part is of course the second set of peddles.
> > They have to have the rear pivot points ground off.
>
> Sets of loose rudder pedals show up on eBay frequently
> and are often inexpensive. Some models of Cessna pedals
> look just like ours, but dimensions would have to be verified.
>
> OTOH, if the "337" referred to is a FSDO Field Approval,
> maybe try first to approach the FSDO with a proposal for
> more simple wood blocks alone?
>
> A length of 4 x 6 post could be cut to the right height and
> width to cover the face of the existing pedal, then cut on
> the backside to fit down into the "V-shape" of the pedal
> surface. Cut again on the front side to copy that V-shape.
>
> Four or more 10-32 or 1/4" bolts then fit through holes
> drilled in the face (corners) of the rudder pedal and
> countersunk holes in the block. A covering of the front
> with adhesive backed "wing walk" material completes the job.
>
> A couple of engineering drawings describing the wood blocks'
> shape and specifing all the hardware precisely might Pass thru
> the FSDO very easily --- if your IA even thinks their approval
> is required; he might sign it off himself as a Minor alteration to
> the cabin interior.
>
> Good luck!
> a r t
>
> Art Cacella 1970 American AA-1 N6155L "Dinkie"
> Winston-Salem, NC
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator rigging |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: ThomasTholmes512@aol.com
Cliff,
The IA I've been working with has a complete set of rigging tools that he is
going to sell. I was his last Grumman customer! ;-)
Tom
PS
The IA is Bob Seals, Vintage Aviation in Selma, CA. 559-891-1496.
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| Subject: | Re: rudder pedal extensions |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "A. F. Cacella" <n4zd@juno.com>
>> Minor alteration to the cabin interior.
> You must be dreaming!
> Cliff A&P/IA
Yes, clumsy editing dropped the " <G> " off the end of that.
Initially I said a bunch of lines of talk about the ADA (Americans
with Disabilities Act), equal access, modifications for disability
accomodation, "vertically challenged", etc. When I took all that
stuff off I went 3-chars too far and lost the "<G>".
Sorry. <sheepish Grin>
a r t
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--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: TeamGrumman@aol.com
In a message dated 5/22/04 8:18:37 AM, gilalex@earthlink.net writes:
> Does the attachment of the smaller diam. servo bridle cables effectively
> displace the main cable downwards when the clamps are installed?
> Or is something missing??=A0 Are any shims involved?
>
>
As I recall, the cables were not displaced any. When I removed the servo,
there were no additional brackets left on the mounting pedistal. Are you
certain you have the servo properly oriented?
Gary
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator rigging |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: TeamGrumman@aol.com
In a message dated 5/22/04 10:02:45 PM, gilalex@earthlink.net writes:
> I thought I'd check the rigging and elevator travel while the "top" is off
> the aft fuselage after the SAIB stiffener repair, and everything is more
> accessible without the vertical stab installed...
>
>
It's roughly 3.1 inches from the center of the control lock hole on the panel
to the center of the control lock hole on the yoke shaft.
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