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1. 06:16 AM - Re: Tiger/cowling update (flyv35b)
2. 07:04 AM - Nose Gear Shocks (James Grieco)
3. 07:38 AM - Re: TeamGrumman-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 06/06/04 (Tiger67B)
4. 07:52 AM - Re: TeamGrumman-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 06/06/04 (brian sandberg)
5. 08:52 AM - Re: Nose gear shocks (GOLDPILOT@aol.com)
6. 06:10 PM - Re: Re: Nose gear shocks (TeamGrumman@aol.com)
7. 06:12 PM - Re: Nose Gear Shocks (TeamGrumman@aol.com)
8. 06:14 PM - Re: Re: TeamGrumman-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 06/06/04 (TeamGrumman@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Tiger/cowling update |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "flyv35b" <flyv35b@ashcreekwireless.com>
Upon disassembly, I found the
> upper spacer installed upside down. This causes a crush on the bearing.
> Fixed that. ... now, back to the elevator trim.
>
> One of the bolts holding the elevator to the control horn was crowded out
so
> I chose to ream it to 5/16 and install an new bolt. Well, that little
> exersize revealed that not only was the rudder installed wrong after the
painting,
> so was the elevator. None of the spacer washers were installed to
properly
> space the elevator on the stabilizer. The space between the horizontal
and the
> elevator tip was 1/2 inch on one side and 7/16 inch on the other. Max is
> supposed to be 0.35 inches. Now, they are both about 1/4 inches. I
replaced
> all of the hardware.
Another fine example of someone working on the plane who didn't have the
maintenance manual and didn't know what the hell they were doing! It
happens all to often.
Cliff A&P/IA
----- Original Message -----
From: <TeamGrumman@aol.com>
Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Tiger/cowling update
> --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: TeamGrumman@aol.com
>
> Over the couple weeks I've finished the installation of the EDM 800, 4 new
> cylinders, installed the baffles for the new cowling, replaced all the
hoses,
> installed a new ELT, installed two comm antennas in the dorsil fin (onto
the
> channel, the dorsil fin itself isn't done yet), pulled the nose strut for
> painting, sandblasted a bunch of parts for the powdercoater, and made the
doublers to
> cover the holes in the turtle deck that were drilled in ordered to install
> external comm antennas.
>
> Each of the come antennas (the location of) had 20 holes. That's 40
holes
> drilled in the fuselage to mount two antennas.
>
> When I flew the plane to Lancaster, I thought the elevator trim was a bit
> stiff. Not too unusual. Usually poor maintenance. When I started to
take
> the tail cone off, however, it became clear that no maintenance had been
done in
> the aft section since the plane was painted in 1997. I got the tail cone
> off, replaced the tail light with a combination tail light strobe, and
started
> to disassemble the trim mechanism. Then,
>
> I leaned on the rudder and it, too, felt very stiff. Lots of drag on the
> rudder. I removed the rudder springs and tried it again. Still very
stiff.
> I had previously noted that the rudder busings had been replaced. Part
of
> the upgrades includes installing a flush rudder cap and removing the VOR
> antennas. So, time to replace the rudder bearings. Upon disassembly, I
found the
> upper spacer installed upside down. This causes a crush on the bearing.
> Fixed that. ... now, back to the elevator trim.
>
> One of the bolts holding the elevator to the control horn was crowded out
so
> I chose to ream it to 5/16 and install an new bolt. Well, that little
> exersize revealed that not only was the rudder installed wrong after the
painting,
> so was the elevator. None of the spacer washers were installed to
properly
> space the elevator on the stabilizer. The space between the horizontal
and the
> elevator tip was 1/2 inch on one side and 7/16 inch on the other. Max is
> supposed to be 0.35 inches. Now, they are both about 1/4 inches. I
replaced
> all of the hardware.
>
> Cowling mod #4 is finished and will be fitted tomorrow. My approach to
> eliminating the nose gear boot is being changed also. I hope it works
out OK.
>
> Gary
>
>
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| Subject: | Nose Gear Shocks |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: James Grieco <jamesgrieco@yahoo.com>
I think the nose gear shocks are a waste of useful load. I think
they were designed to keep former Cessna drivers from porpoising
down the taxi-way. My tiger is 1975, and I don't have the shocks
or see the need for them. Are they listed as an option on the
equipment list?
__________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: TeamGrumman-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 06/06/04 |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Tiger67B <jnpsavage@cox.net>
Gary,
Make me a deal on shocks/install same... I've been wanting to put them on.....
Jan
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> 1. 10:42 PM - Re: Stabilizer Ding Repair (TeamGrumman@aol.com)
> 2. 11:13 PM - Tiger/cowling update (TeamGrumman@aol.com)
> 3. 11:15 PM - Nose gear shocks (TeamGrumman@aol.com)
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> ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
>
> Time: 10:42:06 PM PST US
> From: TeamGrumman@aol.com
> Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Stabilizer Ding Repair
>
> --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: TeamGrumman@aol.com
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> In a message dated 6/5/04 11:24:12 PM, steven.jackson14@adelphia.net writes:
>
> > My obvious question is:=A0 "What are my options?"
> >
> > I've got a purple glue era plane, so the stab has some riveted repairs for
> > delamination.=A0 Would this be a good time to cut my losses and replace the
> > entire stab?
> >
>
> See if you can get another horizontal. It isn't worth the time and effort
> to save the one you have.
>
> ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
>
> Time: 11:13:03 PM PST US
> From: TeamGrumman@aol.com
> Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Tiger/cowling update
>
> --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: TeamGrumman@aol.com
>
> Over the couple weeks I've finished the installation of the EDM 800, 4 new
> cylinders, installed the baffles for the new cowling, replaced all the hoses,
> installed a new ELT, installed two comm antennas in the dorsil fin (onto the
> channel, the dorsil fin itself isn't done yet), pulled the nose strut for
> painting, sandblasted a bunch of parts for the powdercoater, and made the doublers
> to
> cover the holes in the turtle deck that were drilled in ordered to install
> external comm antennas.
>
> Each of the come antennas (the location of) had 20 holes. That's 40 holes
> drilled in the fuselage to mount two antennas.
>
> When I flew the plane to Lancaster, I thought the elevator trim was a bit
> stiff. Not too unusual. Usually poor maintenance. When I started to take
>
> the tail cone off, however, it became clear that no maintenance had been done
in
>
> the aft section since the plane was painted in 1997. I got the tail cone
> off, replaced the tail light with a combination tail light strobe, and started
>
> to disassemble the trim mechanism. Then,
>
> I leaned on the rudder and it, too, felt very stiff. Lots of drag on the
> rudder. I removed the rudder springs and tried it again. Still very stiff.
>
> I had previously noted that the rudder busings had been replaced. Part of
> the upgrades includes installing a flush rudder cap and removing the VOR
> antennas. So, time to replace the rudder bearings. Upon disassembly, I found
> the
> upper spacer installed upside down. This causes a crush on the bearing.
> Fixed that. ... now, back to the elevator trim.
>
> One of the bolts holding the elevator to the control horn was crowded out so
> I chose to ream it to 5/16 and install an new bolt. Well, that little
> exersize revealed that not only was the rudder installed wrong after the painting,
>
> so was the elevator. None of the spacer washers were installed to properly
> space the elevator on the stabilizer. The space between the horizontal and
the
>
> elevator tip was 1/2 inch on one side and 7/16 inch on the other. Max is
> supposed to be 0.35 inches. Now, they are both about 1/4 inches. I replaced
>
> all of the hardware.
>
> Cowling mod #4 is finished and will be fitted tomorrow. My approach to
> eliminating the nose gear boot is being changed also. I hope it works out OK.
>
> Gary
>
> ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
>
> Time: 11:15:37 PM PST US
> From: TeamGrumman@aol.com
> Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Nose gear shocks
>
> --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: TeamGrumman@aol.com
>
> Is there any precedence to converting a plane with the shocks to a plane
> without the shocks.
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: TeamGrumman-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 06/06/04 |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "brian sandberg" <sandbag23@msn.com>
About converting to a nose strut with shocks, my '76 Tiger -0119 had it done
before I owned it but I don't have paperwork beyond the logbook entry.
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| Subject: | Re: Nose gear shocks |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: GOLDPILOT@aol.com
Gary: Why do you want to eliminate the nose gear shocks?
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| Subject: | Re: Nose gear shocks |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: TeamGrumman@aol.com
In a message dated 6/7/04 8:52:30 AM, GOLDPILOT@aol.com writes:
> Why do you want to eliminate the nose gear=A0 shocks?
>
Drag
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| Subject: | Re: Nose Gear Shocks |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: TeamGrumman@aol.com
In a message dated 6/7/04 7:05:11 AM, jamesgrieco@yahoo.com writes:
> Are they listed as an option on the
> equipment list?
>
Not sure. I only thought of eliminating them yesterday. I really haven't
looked into it.
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| Subject: | Re: RE: TeamGrumman-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 06/06/04 |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: TeamGrumman@aol.com
In a message dated 6/7/04 7:52:57 AM, sandbag23@msn.com writes:
> About converting to a nose strut with shocks, my '76 Tiger -0119 had it
> done
> before I owned it but I don't have paperwork beyond the logbook entry.
>
I want to do the reverse. Get rid of the shocks.
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