---------------------------------------------------------- TeamGrumman-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 01/31/05: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:25 AM - Re: Re: TeamGrumman-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 01/28/05 (John P. Farra (Office)) 2. 09:27 AM - Re: Re: TeamGrumman-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 01/28/05 (TeamGrumman@AOL.COM) 3. 09:54 AM - Re: Cowl (923te) 4. 12:42 PM - Re: Re: TeamGrumman-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 01/28/05 (bhauskne@san.rr.com) 5. 01:05 PM - Re: Re: TeamGrumman-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 01/28/05 (ArjayS@AOL.COM) 6. 02:15 PM - Re: Re: TeamGrumman-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 01/28/05 (923te) 7. 02:22 PM - Cowling stuff (Park, Edward) 8. 02:43 PM - Re: Cowling stuff (ArjayS@AOL.COM) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:25:52 AM PST US From: "John P. Farra (Office)" Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: TeamGrumman-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 01/28/05 --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "John P. Farra (Office)" Not until I get one of your new setups. Got any idea about timing and price? ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: TeamGrumman-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 01/28/05 > --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: TeamGrumman@aol.com > > > In a message dated 1/29/05 8:41:10 PM, jfarra@iapc.net writes: > > >> Go Gary, Go! >> > > wanna drag? > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:27:55 AM PST US From: TeamGrumman@AOL.COM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: TeamGrumman-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 01/28/05 --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: TeamGrumman@aol.com In a message dated 1/31/05 6:26:49 AM, jfarra@iapc.net writes: > Not until I get one of your new setups.=A0 Got any idea about timing and > price? > I'm going to start working on that this month. I would suspect the cost of the cowling (in fiberglass) to be in the $7,500 range. In carbon, figure about another $1000. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:54:15 AM PST US From: "923te" <923te@cox.net> Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Cowl --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "923te" <923te@cox.net> Hi Gary, What didi you have to go thru to do something like the cowl? Did you have to put your test bed plane in the experimental category? Ned ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:42:54 PM PST US From: "bhauskne@san.rr.com" Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: TeamGrumman-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 01/28/05 --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "bhauskne@san.rr.com" Wow! $7,500 for a fiberglass cowl and $8,500 for carbon? That's more than 10% of the value of most of our planes and almost the price of a good major O/H. That's pretty hefty. Are you pricing installed or drop-shipped? Ok, I'm breathing again. I know you were just tossing out an initial number. Looks good though, and can't argue with the performance gains. Waiting to hear more. --Brian Tiger N28289 Original Message: ----------------- I'm going to start working on that this month. I would suspect the cost of the cowling (in fiberglass) to be in the $7,500 range. In carbon, figure about another $1000. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:05:13 PM PST US From: ArjayS@AOL.COM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: TeamGrumman-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 01/28/05 --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: ArjayS@aol.com I'm also confused about the price. I've had a LoPresti cowl for about half that $$ for more than three years and I get 5-6 mph. I was hoping with such a drastic redesign and lots of years invested we would at least see substantially more speed or a reasonable price. Guess not. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:15:38 PM PST US From: "923te" <923te@cox.net> Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: TeamGrumman-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 01/28/05 --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "923te" <923te@cox.net> LoPresti's cowl is only the nose bowl. Gary's cowl is the entire cowl from nose bowl back to the firewall. LoPresti's nose bowl gives no noticible speed improvement as documented by several AYA members experiences, including the past AYA president Glen Hadly. Original cowls are becoming scarce. While $7500 is a lot, Gary's cowl is probably worth a lot. Your Fellow Grumman Enthusiast, Ned > --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: ArjayS@aol.com > > I'm also confused about the price. I've had a LoPresti cowl for about half > that $$ for more than three years and I get 5-6 mph. I was hoping with such a > drastic redesign and lots of years invested we would at least see substantially > more speed or a reasonable price. Guess not. > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:22:23 PM PST US From: "Park, Edward" Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling stuff --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "Park, Edward" Very good point but your forgot to add that Gary's cowling looks bitch'n. I like the detail he did w/ the landing light cover and then also how the top cowling gets rid of those piano hinges cracking/getting loose and all of those cowling chaffing and cracking problems. I especially hate how opening and closing the covers on the stock cowling ends up cracking the paint and how it gets all dented up. -----Original Message----- From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of 923te Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: TeamGrumman-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 01/28/05 --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "923te" <923te@cox.net> LoPresti's cowl is only the nose bowl. Gary's cowl is the entire cowl from nose bowl back to the firewall. LoPresti's nose bowl gives no noticible speed improvement as documented by several AYA members experiences, including the past AYA president Glen Hadly. Original cowls are becoming scarce. While $7500 is a lot, Gary's cowl is probably worth a lot. Your Fellow Grumman Enthusiast, Ned > --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: ArjayS@aol.com > > I'm also confused about the price. I've had a LoPresti cowl for about half > that $$ for more than three years and I get 5-6 mph. I was hoping with such a > drastic redesign and lots of years invested we would at least see substantially > more speed or a reasonable price. Guess not. > If you do not wish to receive promotional materials from Ingram Micro via e-mail, please, go to http://www.ingrammicro.com/emailmgmt or reply to this message and type "unsubscribe " in the subject - Ingram Micro Inc. - Corporate Headquarters, 1600 E. St. Andrew Place, Santa Ana, CA 92705 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:43:24 PM PST US From: ArjayS@AOL.COM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling stuff --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: ArjayS@aol.com Wow! I never heard you guys believed that! We have three Tigers on the field and we bought three cowls from LoPresti together. I have my degrees in Computer science and Mechanical Engineering and the other guys are 1. An old time A&P and 2. A structural engineer at Rockwell. So we are very suspicious of ANY claims and very scientific about our examinations. After quite a few before tests under very specific conditions we ran the same tests post installation and independently we all get 5+ mph. I certainly don't want to engender any controversy so I'll just say we have very different measured results. As, I guess did all the magazines that tested the cowl. Well, that's what makes the world go round. Your point is well taken that Gary has designed a complete cowl. Which is why I was expecting more of a result. I guess we'll wait and see. Oh, our cyllinder temps went down appreciably as well, but I guess you know that.