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1. 05:56 AM - Re: Re: TeamGrumman-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 09/19/05 (flyv35b)
2. 08:45 AM - Re: Experimetnal Grumman (923te)
3. 09:00 AM - Re: Experimetnal Grumman (linn walters)
4. 09:46 AM - Re: Experimetnal Grumman (flyv35b)
5. 10:22 AM - Re: Experimetnal Grumman (923te)
6. 12:31 PM - Re: TeamGrumman-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 09/20/05 (Neitalibelle@AOL.COM)
7. 01:50 PM - Re: Experimetnal Grumman (flyv35b)
8. 07:17 PM - Re: LAX Emergency Landing (923te)
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| Subject: | Re: TeamGrumman-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 09/19/05 |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "flyv35b" <flyv35b@ashcreekwireless.com>
> Bob, did talk to the Lycoming folks and sure would have liked to have put
> that display engine in my Tiger, but not willing to go Experimental.
Neita, the FAA would not let you do that anyhow, just for heck of it or to
avoid being in the standard certified category. There has to be a reason
such as a test and development program for obtaining and STC. I suppose you
could get an STC for the 390 engine but it would be the same process as
putting in some other engine. And if you are not making progress in
obtaining the STC they will not keep issuing the airworthiness certificate
indefinitely. A 90 day certificate or maybe a year is not uncommon.
Cliff A&P/IA
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| Subject: | Re: Experimetnal Grumman |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "923te" <923te@cox.net>
Cliff,
What about putting an RV10 wing on a Cheetah and an IO540 and perhaps some
RV10 tail components? Do you think the FAA would allow one to do this and
put the plane into the ameteur built experimental category? What would one
have to do to get approval?
200mph Cheetah or Tiger would be cool!
Regards,
Ned
>
> Neita, the FAA would not let you do that anyhow, just for heck of it or to
> avoid being in the standard certified category. There has to be a reason
> such as a test and development program for obtaining and STC. I suppose
you
> could get an STC for the 390 engine but it would be the same process as
> putting in some other engine. And if you are not making progress in
> obtaining the STC they will not keep issuing the airworthiness certificate
> indefinitely. A 90 day certificate or maybe a year is not uncommon.
>
> Cliff A&P/IA
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| Subject: | Re: Experimetnal Grumman |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: linn walters <lwalters2@cfl.rr.com>
You'd be better off just building the RV-10. I am. You'd have to
re-egineer almost everything from carry-through spar to controls to fuel
to ...... It would be easier to make a sliding canopy to fit the RV-10!!!!
Linn
do not archive
923te wrote:
>--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "923te" <923te@cox.net>
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>Cliff,
>
>What about putting an RV10 wing on a Cheetah and an IO540 and perhaps some
>RV10 tail components? Do you think the FAA would allow one to do this and
>put the plane into the ameteur built experimental category? What would one
>have to do to get approval?
>
>200mph Cheetah or Tiger would be cool!
>
>Regards,
>Ned
>
>
>
>
>>Neita, the FAA would not let you do that anyhow, just for heck of it or to
>>avoid being in the standard certified category. There has to be a reason
>>such as a test and development program for obtaining and STC. I suppose
>>
>>
>you
>
>
>>could get an STC for the 390 engine but it would be the same process as
>>putting in some other engine. And if you are not making progress in
>>obtaining the STC they will not keep issuing the airworthiness certificate
>>indefinitely. A 90 day certificate or maybe a year is not uncommon.
>>
>>Cliff A&P/IA
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Experimetnal Grumman |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "flyv35b" <flyv35b@ashcreekwireless.com>
No, the FAA would not allow it and it would cost far more that it would be
worth. Why not just build and RV-10 and be done with it? It is by far the
best 4 place all metal experimental plane available and the quick build kits
are built fantastically! The only other 4 place plane worth considering
would be the Lancair ES, which is faster but not as good of a short field
plane.
Cliff
----- Original Message -----
From: "923te" <923te@cox.net>
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Experimetnal Grumman
> --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "923te" <923te@cox.net>
>
> Cliff,
>
> What about putting an RV10 wing on a Cheetah and an IO540 and perhaps some
> RV10 tail components? Do you think the FAA would allow one to do this and
> put the plane into the ameteur built experimental category? What would one
> have to do to get approval?
>
> 200mph Cheetah or Tiger would be cool!
>
> Regards,
> Ned
>
>
>>
>> Neita, the FAA would not let you do that anyhow, just for heck of it or
>> to
>> avoid being in the standard certified category. There has to be a reason
>> such as a test and development program for obtaining and STC. I suppose
> you
>> could get an STC for the 390 engine but it would be the same process as
>> putting in some other engine. And if you are not making progress in
>> obtaining the STC they will not keep issuing the airworthiness
>> certificate
>> indefinitely. A 90 day certificate or maybe a year is not uncommon.
>>
>> Cliff A&P/IA
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Experimetnal Grumman |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "923te" <923te@cox.net>
Have you nay-sayers seen the "Hellacious Helio" article in the December '04
Issue of EAA Sport Aviation?
Two guys from Salt Lake City took an Certified Helio H700 added a 750hp
turbine along with a bunch of other mods, like 2 foot wing tip extensions,
train horns to clear the bush run ways of critters, Nose gear from an F101
and huge main rock crawler tires, extra wing fuel tanks, and they got it
certified experimental ameteur built....
Page 40:
" It is of some interest that they encountered no resistance to certifying
the airplane as an ameteur-built experimental rather than as an air show /
exhibition airplane, with its attendant restrictions."
Seattle MIDO inspected and issued the Airwortiness Certificate.
Why not just build the RV10 you say?... I say why not just build them both?
Which would you rather show up in at a Grumman flyin?
Anyway, I would do it for the fun of it..kind of like I would take a
perfectly good '32 Ford roadster body and chasis and channel it and hot rod
it and... oh wait Dad did that back in the 50's...No one is asking why he
did it now....
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| Subject: | Re: TeamGrumman-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 09/20/05 |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Neitalibelle@aol.com
Will be flying to Yreka this Friday and on the way back might plane
Georgetown if there are still a few folks who want to go hiking on Sunday.
Neita Montgue, Tiger N311TA
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| Subject: | Re: Experimetnal Grumman |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "flyv35b" <flyv35b@ashcreekwireless.com>
Ned said:
"What about putting an RV10 wing on a Cheetah and an IO540 and perhaps some
RV10 tail components? Do you think the FAA would allow one to do this and
put the plane into the amateur built experimental category? What would one
have to do to get approval?
200mph Cheetah or Tiger would be cool!"
Yes it would be cool but you won't get a modified Grumman to go 200 mph with
RV-10 wings and the Grumman fuselage. The fuselage has to much drag to
achieve that speed, even with an 260 hp IO-540 engine.
> Have you nay-sayers seen the "Hellacious Helio" article in the December
> '04
> Issue of EAA Sport Aviation?
> and they got it
> certified experimental ameteur built....
I thought you were talking about trying to get this modified Grumman
certified in the standard airworthiness category. Yes, it probably would be
easier to get it certified in the amateur built-experimental category IF you
could convince the FAA that 51% of it was built by you (the RV-10 quick
built wings would not qualify).
> " It is of some interest that they encountered no resistance to certifying
> the airplane as an amateur-built experimental rather than as an air show /
> exhibition airplane, with its attendant restrictions."
> Seattle MIDO inspected and issued the Airwortiness Certificate.
Not to big of a surprise with the major changes that were made.
> Why not just build the RV10 you say?... I say why not just build them
> both?
Have you got the time and money?
> Which would you rather show up in at a Grumman flyin?
I'm sure the modified Grumman would attract more attention but that doesn't
make it a better plane. I think I'd rather show up with an RV-10 and race
it in the unlimited category and demonstrate how much faster it is than any
Grumman with the same engine and power output.
> Anyway, I would do it for the fun of it..
I don't think you realize how many problems you would encounter just doing
the modification, let alone dealing with the FAA and trying to convince the
insurance company that they should write insurance on this totally unproven
aircraft at any kind of reasonable premium. For all the time and money
invested, it just wouldn't make sense to me. I'd rather build a Lancair
Legacy and go 275 mph.
Cliff
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| Subject: | Re: LAX Emergency Landing |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "923te" <923te@cox.net>
Just watched the perfect landing made by the pilot of the Jet BLue A320
Airbus that had the nose wheels set at 90.
Anybody else notice how the flames really puffed up when the nose gear
scraped over the paint stripes? Wonder if the paint stripes reflective
material or paint had some cumbustable constituents that added to the fire?
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