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1. 08:15 AM - Re: Re: Cowling Update (Scott Boyce)
2. 09:38 AM - Re: Re: Cowling Update (James Courtney)
3. 09:51 AM - Off Topic (Matthew Drahzal)
4. 10:05 AM - Re: Off Topic (dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle))
5. 10:19 AM - My 2 cents (or .02 cents if you are from CA) (TeamGrumman@AOL.COM)
6. 10:32 AM - Re: Re: Cowling Update (Scott Boyce)
7. 11:00 AM - Re: My 2 cents (or .02 cents if you are from CA) (Scott Boyce)
8. 11:24 AM - Re: Re: Cowling Update (Stephen Stinis)
9. 11:31 AM - Re: Re: Cowling Update (James Courtney)
10. 10:03 PM - Re: My 2 cents (or .02 cents if you are from CA) (TeamGrumman@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Cowling Update |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Scott Boyce <tscott165@cableone.net>
Yeah, James, we all want to know about your Bonanza. Isn't this the
list server that so proudly proclaims it only deals in relevant
information? And, isn't Grumman the name of the list? Sounds like
the B guys are on the wrong list!!
Scott Boyce, AA5B N28339
tscott165@cableone.net
On Feb 13, 2006, at 10:47 AM, flyv35b wrote:
> --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "flyv35b"
> <flyv35b@ashcreekwireless.com>
>
> James, did you buy the A36 Bonanza yet? How did the prebuy come out?
>
> Cliff
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James Courtney" <jamey@jamescourtney.net>
> To: <teamgrumman-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 9:39 AM
> Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Cowling Update
>
>
>> --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "James Courtney"
>> <jamey@jamescourtney.net>
>>
>> He's not kidding. I glimpsed his wheel pant mock-ups last time I
>> was at
>> AUN
>> and now live in constant fear...
>>
>> Any sign of my cylinders yet from Lycon Gary?
>>
>> Not that I'm trying to rush you. I have too much to live for with
>> a wife
>> and dog now;)
>>
>> Jamey
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>> TeamGrumman@aol.com
>> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 12:46 AM
>> To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Cowling Update
>>
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>> --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: TeamGrumman@aol.com
>>
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>> In a message dated 2/12/06 11:56:37 PM, aired@frontiernet.net writes:
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>>> Tell us more about these wingtips. How are you doing this?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
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>>> Ed
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| Subject: | Re: Cowling Update |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "James Courtney" <jamey@jamescourtney.net>
Scott,
Despite Cliff's email he's one of the most knowledgeable Grumman folks
you'll have the privilege of finding which you should know from reading this
list or Grumman-Gang. Chiding he and I like children will get you nowhere.
Yes, he should have posted his inquiry to me off list but you'll note I
consciously replied to him off list for the reasons you cite. Welcome to an
imperfect world. One of the advantages of Team-Grumman over Grumman-Gang is
that there is no list Nazi to prevent us from discussing interesting
tangential issues (not that my A36 purchase qualifies).
Jamey
AA5B N72T @ KSQL
A36 N7218R @ KSQL
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott
Boyce
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 8:14 AM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Cowling Update
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Scott Boyce
--> <tscott165@cableone.net>
Yeah, James, we all want to know about your Bonanza. Isn't this the
list server that so proudly proclaims it only deals in relevant
information? And, isn't Grumman the name of the list? Sounds like
the B guys are on the wrong list!!
Scott Boyce, AA5B N28339
tscott165@cableone.net
On Feb 13, 2006, at 10:47 AM, flyv35b wrote:
> --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "flyv35b"
> <flyv35b@ashcreekwireless.com>
>
> James, did you buy the A36 Bonanza yet? How did the prebuy come out?
>
> Cliff
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James Courtney" <jamey@jamescourtney.net>
> To: <teamgrumman-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 9:39 AM
> Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Cowling Update
>
>
>> --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "James Courtney"
>> <jamey@jamescourtney.net>
>>
>> He's not kidding. I glimpsed his wheel pant mock-ups last time I
>> was at
>> AUN
>> and now live in constant fear...
>>
>> Any sign of my cylinders yet from Lycon Gary?
>>
>> Not that I'm trying to rush you. I have too much to live for with
>> a wife
>> and dog now;)
>>
>> Jamey
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>> TeamGrumman@aol.com
>> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 12:46 AM
>> To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Cowling Update
>>
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>> --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: TeamGrumman@aol.com
>>
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>> In a message dated 2/12/06 11:56:37 PM, aired@frontiernet.net writes:
>>
>>
>>> Tell us more about these wingtips. How are you doing this?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Ed
>>>
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>> if I told you, I'd have to kill you
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--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Matthew Drahzal <mattd@drahz.com>
The only "bad" thing about this list is that the archives for this list
includes your email address - which is fodder for the spam-harvest-bots.
(I have a couple of postings in the archive that have increased my spam
count a great deal)
matt d.
do not archive
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--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle)
Actually, this isn't true. If you look at the archives, the email
addresses are obscured from automaticed harvesters. For example,
"smith@isp.com" is translated to "smith(at)isp.com".
The notion that the email list archives increased spam is only
minimally to blame. Once an email address has been obtained by
spammers, it is generiously shared among them all. Simply sending an
email to a friend that has a harvester v*rus is enough to get the chain
started.
Matt Dralle
List Admin
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>--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Matthew Drahzal <mattd@drahz.com>
>
>
>The only "bad" thing about this list is that the archives for this list
>includes your email address - which is fodder for the spam-harvest-bots.
>
>(I have a couple of postings in the archive that have increased my spam
>count a great deal)
>
>matt d.
>
>do not archive
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| Subject: | My 2 cents (or .02 cents if you are from CA) |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: TeamGrumman@aol.com
> Yeah, James, we all want to know about your Bonanza. Isn't this the=A0
> list server that so proudly proclaims it only deals in relevant=A0
> information?=A0 And, isn't Grumman the name of the list? Sounds like=A0
> the B guys are on the wrong list!!
>
> Scott Boyce, AA5B N28339
> tscott165@cableone.net
>
The really nice thing about this list is that it ISN'T Grumman specific.
This list is for those who want to know or share something of interest. Most
of us are Grumman folks. If you have something to share, welcome. If all
you have to share are vituperous attacks on anyone else, go back to the Grumman
Gang. That is where you'll find a home.
Gary
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| Subject: | Re: Cowling Update |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Scott Boyce <tscott165@cableone.net>
Jamey,
No question, Cliff is knowledgeable, as can be seen from his writings.
I am not questioning his competence.
> you'll note I
> consciously replied to him off list for the reasons you cite (How
> would I note that if it was off list?
I did not mean to be "chiding... like children." And, I am not
trying to get anywhere. (I am at a point in life where I don't need
to get anywhere.) It has just seemed to me from reading on these
lists that there are standards for some that others seem to discount
but chide, [Gee, I really like that word :-)], others for
trespassing. Not necessarily you. And I have read numerous comments
on the Team-Grumman list directing readers to the GG list for
irrelevant commentary that they won't find on the Team-Grumman list.
Poppycock!! And, there are Nazis everywhere. I read both lists for my
own personal interests and delete what is not relevant to me. But
there are frequent comments from the gurus to the effect, "I've
written about this before, look it up in the archives." How helpful
is that? If I were in the business, I would send the interested party
something I had written from 'MY' archives with a phone number and
email address to follow up if their questions were not answered. But
then, I'm customer-service oriented. Didn't mean to ruffle any
feathers of any particular bird, Grumman or other. And, truly, best
wishes and good luck with the Bonanza.
BTW, I am using a new, unfamiliar MAC for this communication and
would like to know if my emails are formatted ok. Reply off-list if not.
Scott Boyce
tscott165@cableone.net
On Feb 15, 2006, at 10:06 AM, James Courtney wrote:
> --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "James Courtney"
> <jamey@jamescourtney.net>
>
> Scott,
> Despite Cliff's email he's one of the most knowledgeable Grumman
> folks
> you'll have the privilege of finding which you should know from
> reading this
> list or Grumman-Gang. Chiding he and I like children will get you
> nowhere.
> Yes, he should have posted his inquiry to me off list but you'll
> note I
> consciously replied to him off list for the reasons you cite.
> Welcome to an
> imperfect world. One of the advantages of Team-Grumman over
> Grumman-Gang is
> that there is no list Nazi to prevent us from discussing interesting
> tangential issues (not that my A36 purchase qualifies).
>
> Jamey
> AA5B N72T @ KSQL
> A36 N7218R @ KSQL
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Scott
> Boyce
> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 8:14 AM
> To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Cowling Update
>
>
> --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Scott Boyce
> --> <tscott165@cableone.net>
>
> Yeah, James, we all want to know about your Bonanza. Isn't this the
> list server that so proudly proclaims it only deals in relevant
> information? And, isn't Grumman the name of the list? Sounds like
> the B guys are on the wrong list!!
>
> Scott Boyce, AA5B N28339
> tscott165@cableone.net
>
> On Feb 13, 2006, at 10:47 AM, flyv35b wrote:
>
>> --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "flyv35b"
>> <flyv35b@ashcreekwireless.com>
>>
>> James, did you buy the A36 Bonanza yet? How did the prebuy come out?
>>
>> Cliff
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "James Courtney" <jamey@jamescourtney.net>
>> To: <teamgrumman-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 9:39 AM
>> Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Cowling Update
>>
> ============================================================
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| Subject: | Re: My 2 cents (or .02 cents if you are from CA) |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Scott Boyce <tscott165@cableone.net>
My apologies. I thought from the name that it was Grumman specific.
BTW, are you the
Gary that sells Grumman-specific eyebrows? I need one. Whom do I
contact?
Scott
tscott165@cableone.net
On Feb 15, 2006, at 11:18 AM, TeamGrumman@aol.com wrote:
> --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: TeamGrumman@aol.com
>
>> Yeah, James, we all want to know about your Bonanza. Isn't this
>> the=A0
>> list server that so proudly proclaims it only deals in relevant=A0
>> information?=A0 And, isn't Grumman the name of the list? Sounds
>> like=A0
>> the B guys are on the wrong list!!
>>
>> Scott, AA5B N28339
>> tscott165@cableone.net
>>
> The really nice thing about this list is that it ISN'T Grumman
> specific.
> This list is for those who want to know or share something of
> interest. Most
> of us are Grumman folks. If you have something to share,
> welcome. If all
> you have to share are vituperous attacks on anyone else, go back to
> the Grumman
> Gang. That is where you'll find a home.
>
> Gary
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cowling Update |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "Stephen Stinis" <stinis@cox.net>
Looking for formation pilots to fly grumman tigers in CA and NV.
See attached AD.
Thanks,
Stephen
Skytypers, Inc.
http://www.skytypers.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Boyce" <tscott165@cableone.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Cowling Update
> --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Scott Boyce
> <tscott165@cableone.net>
>
> Jamey,
>
> No question, Cliff is knowledgeable, as can be seen from his writings.
>
> I am not questioning his competence.
>
>> you'll note I
>> consciously replied to him off list for the reasons you cite (How
>> would I note that if it was off list?
>
>
> I did not mean to be "chiding... like children." And, I am not
> trying to get anywhere. (I am at a point in life where I don't need
> to get anywhere.) It has just seemed to me from reading on these
> lists that there are standards for some that others seem to discount
> but chide, [Gee, I really like that word :-)], others for
> trespassing. Not necessarily you. And I have read numerous comments
> on the Team-Grumman list directing readers to the GG list for
> irrelevant commentary that they won't find on the Team-Grumman list.
> Poppycock!! And, there are Nazis everywhere. I read both lists for my
> own personal interests and delete what is not relevant to me. But
> there are frequent comments from the gurus to the effect, "I've
> written about this before, look it up in the archives." How helpful
> is that? If I were in the business, I would send the interested party
> something I had written from 'MY' archives with a phone number and
> email address to follow up if their questions were not answered. But
> then, I'm customer-service oriented. Didn't mean to ruffle any
> feathers of any particular bird, Grumman or other. And, truly, best
> wishes and good luck with the Bonanza.
>
> BTW, I am using a new, unfamiliar MAC for this communication and
> would like to know if my emails are formatted ok. Reply off-list if not.
>
> Scott Boyce
> tscott165@cableone.net
>
> On Feb 15, 2006, at 10:06 AM, James Courtney wrote:
>
>> --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "James Courtney"
>> <jamey@jamescourtney.net>
>>
>> Scott,
>> Despite Cliff's email he's one of the most knowledgeable Grumman
>> folks
>> you'll have the privilege of finding which you should know from
>> reading this
>> list or Grumman-Gang. Chiding he and I like children will get you
>> nowhere.
>> Yes, he should have posted his inquiry to me off list but you'll
>> note I
>> consciously replied to him off list for the reasons you cite.
>> Welcome to an
>> imperfect world. One of the advantages of Team-Grumman over
>> Grumman-Gang is
>> that there is no list Nazi to prevent us from discussing interesting
>> tangential issues (not that my A36 purchase qualifies).
>>
>> Jamey
>> AA5B N72T @ KSQL
>> A36 N7218R @ KSQL
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>> Scott
>> Boyce
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 8:14 AM
>> To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Cowling Update
>>
>>
>> --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Scott Boyce
>> --> <tscott165@cableone.net>
>>
>> Yeah, James, we all want to know about your Bonanza. Isn't this the
>> list server that so proudly proclaims it only deals in relevant
>> information? And, isn't Grumman the name of the list? Sounds like
>> the B guys are on the wrong list!!
>>
>> Scott Boyce, AA5B N28339
>> tscott165@cableone.net
>>
>> On Feb 13, 2006, at 10:47 AM, flyv35b wrote:
>>
>>> --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "flyv35b"
>>> <flyv35b@ashcreekwireless.com>
>>>
>>> James, did you buy the A36 Bonanza yet? How did the prebuy come out?
>>>
>>> Cliff
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "James Courtney" <jamey@jamescourtney.net>
>>> To: <teamgrumman-list@matronics.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 9:39 AM
>>> Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Cowling Update
>>>
>> ============================================================
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cowling Update |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "James Courtney" <jamey@jamescourtney.net>
Scott,
No question, emails lists are mixed bag and I'd rather we police our own
standards of reasonable use than have someone else do it for us. I still
read and benefit from the Grumman-Gang and respect very highly the opinions
of many of it's posters. I admit the long-winded flap flap is growing old
but better that people care then not:) I did't think you were questioning
Cliff's competance and I certainly don't intend that people should post
anything and everything as long as they meet other criteria. I think Cliff
was genuinely interested in my progress and just forgot how he was replying.
My only point was that I thought you were being a little hard on him (and
me) for that triviality. I actually have had some issue with this on the
Beech-Owners list where I'm used to GG where a reply is to the sender and a
reply-all is to the gang + sender but here and on the B-O list a simple
reply is to the list.
Correct, you wouldn't know for sure if I'd replied to him off list but since
you hadn't seen a reply I'd have appreciated the benefit of the doubt:)
At any rate, your email came through just fine and Gary is the man to get a
nice eyebrow from. I don't have one but only because mine has held up well
enough to not make it worth replacing to me. His product is vastly superior
to the "factory" eyebrow (sturdier, better lighting, and better looking) and
his installation would be excellent if you have the opportunity to have him
do the work.
Best regards,
Jamey
AA5B N72T @ KSQL
A36 N7218R @ KSQL
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott
Boyce
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Cowling Update
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Scott Boyce
--> <tscott165@cableone.net>
Jamey,
No question, Cliff is knowledgeable, as can be seen from his writings.
I am not questioning his competence.
> you'll note I
> consciously replied to him off list for the reasons you cite (How
> would I note that if it was off list?
I did not mean to be "chiding... like children." And, I am not
trying to get anywhere. (I am at a point in life where I don't need
to get anywhere.) It has just seemed to me from reading on these
lists that there are standards for some that others seem to discount
but chide, [Gee, I really like that word :-)], others for
trespassing. Not necessarily you. And I have read numerous comments
on the Team-Grumman list directing readers to the GG list for
irrelevant commentary that they won't find on the Team-Grumman list.
Poppycock!! And, there are Nazis everywhere. I read both lists for my
own personal interests and delete what is not relevant to me. But
there are frequent comments from the gurus to the effect, "I've
written about this before, look it up in the archives." How helpful
is that? If I were in the business, I would send the interested party
something I had written from 'MY' archives with a phone number and
email address to follow up if their questions were not answered. But
then, I'm customer-service oriented. Didn't mean to ruffle any
feathers of any particular bird, Grumman or other. And, truly, best
wishes and good luck with the Bonanza.
BTW, I am using a new, unfamiliar MAC for this communication and
would like to know if my emails are formatted ok. Reply off-list if not.
Scott Boyce
tscott165@cableone.net
On Feb 15, 2006, at 10:06 AM, James Courtney wrote:
> --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "James Courtney"
> <jamey@jamescourtney.net>
>
> Scott,
> Despite Cliff's email he's one of the most knowledgeable Grumman
> folks
> you'll have the privilege of finding which you should know from
> reading this
> list or Grumman-Gang. Chiding he and I like children will get you
> nowhere.
> Yes, he should have posted his inquiry to me off list but you'll
> note I
> consciously replied to him off list for the reasons you cite.
> Welcome to an
> imperfect world. One of the advantages of Team-Grumman over
> Grumman-Gang is
> that there is no list Nazi to prevent us from discussing interesting
> tangential issues (not that my A36 purchase qualifies).
>
> Jamey
> AA5B N72T @ KSQL
> A36 N7218R @ KSQL
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Scott
> Boyce
> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 8:14 AM
> To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Cowling Update
>
>
> --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Scott Boyce
> --> <tscott165@cableone.net>
>
> Yeah, James, we all want to know about your Bonanza. Isn't this the
> list server that so proudly proclaims it only deals in relevant
> information? And, isn't Grumman the name of the list? Sounds like
> the B guys are on the wrong list!!
>
> Scott Boyce, AA5B N28339
> tscott165@cableone.net
>
> On Feb 13, 2006, at 10:47 AM, flyv35b wrote:
>
>> --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "flyv35b"
>> <flyv35b@ashcreekwireless.com>
>>
>> James, did you buy the A36 Bonanza yet? How did the prebuy come out?
>>
>> Cliff
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "James Courtney" <jamey@jamescourtney.net>
>> To: <teamgrumman-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 9:39 AM
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| Subject: | Re: My 2 cents (or .02 cents if you are from CA) |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: TeamGrumman@aol.com
In a message dated 2/15/06 11:00:44 AM, tscott165@cableone.net writes:
>
> My apologies. I thought from the name that it was Grumman specific.=A0BTW, are
> you the Gary that=A0 sells Grumman-specific eyebrows? I need one. Whom do
> I=A0contact?
>
> Scott
> tscott165@cableone.net
>
Yep, that's me. Oddly enough I have the tooling for Piper Arrow and
Cherokee eyebrows as well. If Mike Crissafolli would get off his butt, I'd make
one
for the Bonanza as well.
That aside, send me an email, to TeamGrumman@aol.com, requesting one and I'll
follow up with more instructions.
Gary
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