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1. 12:30 AM - Re: TeamGrumman-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 04/11/06 (GOLDPILOT@aol.com)
2. 04:36 AM - Re: Re: TeamGrumman-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 04/11/06 (HalB)
3. 04:49 AM - Re: Freedom of Speach - Spelled speech (Walt Beaulieu)
4. 05:02 AM - [Fw: Re: Grumman American test rig] (Bruce Smith)
5. 05:47 AM - Re: [Fw: Re: Grumman American test rig] (flyv35b)
6. 05:59 AM - Re: [Fw: Re: Grumman American test rig] (Bruce Smith)
7. 06:13 AM - Re: [Fw: Re: Grumman American test rig] (HalB)
8. 06:31 AM - Re: [Fw: Re: Grumman American test rig] (The Sign Guys)
9. 06:46 AM - Re: [Fw: Re: Grumman American test rig] (923te)
10. 06:50 AM - Re: Freedom of Speach - Spelled speech (Steve Roberts)
11. 06:53 AM - Re: [Fw: Re: Grumman American test rig] (Steve Roberts)
12. 07:07 AM - Re: Glider Training (flyv35b)
13. 07:26 AM - Re: Freedom of Speach - Spelled speech (Walt Beaulieu)
14. 08:26 AM - Re: Glider Training (Gil Alexander)
15. 11:44 AM - Re: [Fw: Re: Grumman American test rig] (Ed Hash)
16. 11:55 AM - Re: [Fw: Re: Grumman American test rig] (James Courtney)
17. 02:29 PM - Re: Freedom of Speach - Spelled speech (linn Walters)
18. 03:41 PM - Re: [Fw: Re: Grumman American test rig] (Larry Matteo)
19. 03:47 PM - Re: [Fw: Re: Grumman American test rig] (Larry Matteo)
20. 03:57 PM - Re: [Fw: Re: Grumman American test rig] (Steve Roberts)
21. 04:49 PM - Turbo Tiger Picture (Bruce Smith)
22. 05:05 PM - Re: Turbo Tiger Picture (Steve Roberts)
23. 06:53 PM - Re: TeamGrumman-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 04/11/06 (airman@appledumplings.com)
24. 08:13 PM - Re: Freedom of Speach - Spelled speech (Gil Alexander)
25. 08:56 PM - Re: Freedom of Speach - Spelled speech (Matt Dralle)
26. 09:30 PM - Turbo Tiger (TeamGrumman@aol.com)
27. 09:32 PM - Re: [Fw: Re: Grumman American test rig] (TeamGrumman@AOL.COM)
28. 09:33 PM - Re: Freedom of Speach - Spelled speech (TeamGrumman@AOL.COM)
29. 09:40 PM - Canopy Seals (TeamGrumman@AOL.COM)
30. 09:40 PM - Re: Re: TeamGrumman-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 04/11/06 (Steve Roberts)
31. 09:42 PM - Re: Freedom of Speach - Spelled speech (TeamGrumman@AOL.COM)
32. 09:44 PM - Re: Turbo Tiger (923te)
33. 09:54 PM - Re: Freedom of Speach - Spelled speech (Steve Roberts)
34. 10:12 PM - Re: Turbo Tiger (James Courtney)
35. 10:23 PM - Re: Freedom of Speach - Spelled speech (dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle))
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| Subject: | Re: TeamGrumman-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 04/11/06 |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: GOLDPILOT@aol.com
In a message dated 4/12/2006 12:00:37 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
teamgrumman-list-digest@matronics.com writes:
Does anyone remember this?
GOD BLESS AMERICA!
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| Subject: | Re: TeamGrumman-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 04/11/06 |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "HalB" <halb@adelphia.net>
I will give a big AMEN to that,we need it!
----- Original Message -----
From: <GOLDPILOT@aol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 2:29 AM
Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Re: TeamGrumman-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 04/11/06
> --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: GOLDPILOT@aol.com
>
>
> In a message dated 4/12/2006 12:00:37 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> teamgrumman-list-digest@matronics.com writes:
>
> Does anyone remember this?
>
>
>
> GOD BLESS AMERICA!
>
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| Subject: | Re: Freedom of Speach - Spelled speech |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Walt Beaulieu <aviation@acs-group.net>
What about the list owners right to do whatever HE wants to do. It's his
list, he can do what he wants with it anytime he wants. Yes, I believe
that one of the airplane lists we all frequent has a moderator that is
kind of a prick but he has that right too. For you to quote chapter and
verse about what the government should not be doing and apply it to him
is beyond a stretch.
If anyone does not like it, they can start their own and run it anyway
they want.
>>
>>
>
>You're welcome. I think having one forum modeled after a government that
>wants to control what is acceptable to say, to read, to believe, to fear, and
to
>accept, is one too many.
>
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| Subject: | Re: [Fwd: Re: Grumman American test rig] |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Bruce Smith <bruce.smith@york.com>
Teamsters,
Larry Matteo sent me this response in regards to a question I had
regarding retractable Grummans. I had heard of the TurboTiger before,
but hadn't seen a picture of it. I was even more interested in the
plane he referred to as "Fat Albert". Anyone have any pics of this one?
Larry gave me permission to post his response. Given his position in
flight test, he'd be a valuable resource for those looking for
information on those planes that "got away".
Larry, thanks for letting me post this.
Thanks.
Bruce Smith
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Grumman American test rig
From: Larry Matteo <larrymatteo@sbcglobal.net>
References: <00e101c65ab9$d1f1c450$2c1cfea9@larryk1twf2i25>
<443A4632.5040605@york.com>
Bruce,
Well, I could be cute and "Yes there was!!" and talk about the CS prop
equipped retractable developed in Cleveland --- only to say it was the
Cougar. The retractable gear thing was not raised seriously while I was
there. The gear cleanup done under Roy LoPresti's crew was the next best
thing.
There was a time that N7755B (the original Tiger prototype pictured in
'75 and 76 brochures) spent with an enlarged wing AND a 235 hp six
banger (like a C182 or Archer) with an upper cowling that was also
modified (looked like it had a GTO hood scoop). It of course has a CS prop.
The outer 2 sections of wing were the same as the other AA5s, but the
inner section and wing root were lengthened in chord and thickness,
tapered to the outer sections. Never got photos of that one.
This was the period where this particular a/c picked up the moniker "Fat
Albert".
A TurboTiger was developed with a 200 hp (ala Turbo Arrow) turbocharged
engine and it also had a CS prop. I had the pleasure of being the IFR
rated pilot on that one for a couple of flights so we could go higher
than 18,000 feet for the purpose of getting numbers. Don't remember any
of the performance numbers. I've attached a picture of the front of the A/C.
Larry
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| Subject: | Re: [Fwd: Re: Grumman American test rig] |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "flyv35b" <flyv35b@ashcreekwireless.com>
Bruce, could you post the photos that went with Larry's email? Or send them
privately?
Cliff
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Smith" <bruce.smith@york.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:01 AM
Subject: TeamGrumman-List: [Fwd: Re: Grumman American test rig]
> --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Bruce Smith <bruce.smith@york.com>
>
> Teamsters,
>
> Larry Matteo sent me this response in regards to a question I had
> regarding retractable Grummans. I had heard of the TurboTiger before,
> but hadn't seen a picture of it. I was even more interested in the
> plane he referred to as "Fat Albert". Anyone have any pics of this one?
>
> Larry gave me permission to post his response. Given his position in
> flight test, he'd be a valuable resource for those looking for
> information on those planes that "got away".
>
> Larry, thanks for letting me post this.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Bruce Smith
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: Grumman American test rig
> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:42:26 -0400
> From: Larry Matteo <larrymatteo@sbcglobal.net>
> To: <bruce.smith@york.com>
> References: <00e101c65ab9$d1f1c450$2c1cfea9@larryk1twf2i25>
> <443A4632.5040605@york.com>
>
>
> Bruce,
>
> Well, I could be cute and "Yes there was!!" and talk about the CS prop
> equipped retractable developed in Cleveland --- only to say it was the
> Cougar. The retractable gear thing was not raised seriously while I was
> there. The gear cleanup done under Roy LoPresti's crew was the next best
> thing.
>
> There was a time that N7755B (the original Tiger prototype pictured in
> '75 and 76 brochures) spent with an enlarged wing AND a 235 hp six
> banger (like a C182 or Archer) with an upper cowling that was also
> modified (looked like it had a GTO hood scoop). It of course has a CS
> prop.
>
> The outer 2 sections of wing were the same as the other AA5s, but the
> inner section and wing root were lengthened in chord and thickness,
> tapered to the outer sections. Never got photos of that one.
> This was the period where this particular a/c picked up the moniker "Fat
> Albert".
> A TurboTiger was developed with a 200 hp (ala Turbo Arrow) turbocharged
> engine and it also had a CS prop. I had the pleasure of being the IFR
> rated pilot on that one for a couple of flights so we could go higher
> than 18,000 feet for the purpose of getting numbers. Don't remember any
> of the performance numbers. I've attached a picture of the front of the
> A/C.
>
> Larry
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: [Fwd: Re: Grumman American test rig] |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Bruce Smith <bruce.smith@york.com>
Yup. Sorry. Forgot there might be a size limit or a constraint on
attaching photos. Gary or anyone else interested, let me know and I'll
forward the photo directly.
Bruce
flyv35b said the following on 4/12/2006 8:44 AM:
> --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "flyv35b" <flyv35b@ashcreekwireless.com>
>
> Bruce, could you post the photos that went with Larry's email? Or send them
> privately?
>
> Cliff
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bruce Smith" <bruce.smith@york.com>
> To: "Team Grumman" <teamgrumman-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:01 AM
> Subject: TeamGrumman-List: [Fwd: Re: Grumman American test rig]
>
>
>
>> --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Bruce Smith <bruce.smith@york.com>
>>
>> Teamsters,
>>
>> Larry Matteo sent me this response in regards to a question I had
>> regarding retractable Grummans. I had heard of the TurboTiger before,
>> but hadn't seen a picture of it. I was even more interested in the
>> plane he referred to as "Fat Albert". Anyone have any pics of this one?
>>
>> Larry gave me permission to post his response. Given his position in
>> flight test, he'd be a valuable resource for those looking for
>> information on those planes that "got away".
>>
>> Larry, thanks for letting me post this.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Bruce Smith
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Re: Grumman American test rig
>> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:42:26 -0400
>> From: Larry Matteo <larrymatteo@sbcglobal.net>
>> To: <bruce.smith@york.com>
>> References: <00e101c65ab9$d1f1c450$2c1cfea9@larryk1twf2i25>
>> <443A4632.5040605@york.com>
>>
>>
>>
>> Bruce,
>>
>> Well, I could be cute and "Yes there was!!" and talk about the CS prop
>> equipped retractable developed in Cleveland --- only to say it was the
>> Cougar. The retractable gear thing was not raised seriously while I was
>> there. The gear cleanup done under Roy LoPresti's crew was the next best
>> thing.
>>
>> There was a time that N7755B (the original Tiger prototype pictured in
>> '75 and 76 brochures) spent with an enlarged wing AND a 235 hp six
>> banger (like a C182 or Archer) with an upper cowling that was also
>> modified (looked like it had a GTO hood scoop). It of course has a CS
>> prop.
>>
>> The outer 2 sections of wing were the same as the other AA5s, but the
>> inner section and wing root were lengthened in chord and thickness,
>> tapered to the outer sections. Never got photos of that one.
>> This was the period where this particular a/c picked up the moniker "Fat
>> Albert".
>> A TurboTiger was developed with a 200 hp (ala Turbo Arrow) turbocharged
>> engine and it also had a CS prop. I had the pleasure of being the IFR
>> rated pilot on that one for a couple of flights so we could go higher
>> than 18,000 feet for the purpose of getting numbers. Don't remember any
>> of the performance numbers. I've attached a picture of the front of the
>> A/C.
>>
>> Larry
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: [Fwd: Re: Grumman American test rig] |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "HalB" <halb@adelphia.net>
Hal B would love to see those pictures!
halb@adelphia.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Smith" <bruce.smith@york.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 7:59 AM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: [Fwd: Re: Grumman American test rig]
> --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Bruce Smith <bruce.smith@york.com>
>
> Yup. Sorry. Forgot there might be a size limit or a constraint on
> attaching photos. Gary or anyone else interested, let me know and I'll
> forward the photo directly.
>
> Bruce
>
> flyv35b said the following on 4/12/2006 8:44 AM:
>> --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "flyv35b"
>> <flyv35b@ashcreekwireless.com>
>>
>> Bruce, could you post the photos that went with Larry's email? Or send
>> them
>> privately?
>>
>> Cliff
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bruce Smith" <bruce.smith@york.com>
>> To: "Team Grumman" <teamgrumman-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:01 AM
>> Subject: TeamGrumman-List: [Fwd: Re: Grumman American test rig]
>>
>>
>>
>>> --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Bruce Smith
>>> <bruce.smith@york.com>
>>>
>>> Teamsters,
>>>
>>> Larry Matteo sent me this response in regards to a question I had
>>> regarding retractable Grummans. I had heard of the TurboTiger before,
>>> but hadn't seen a picture of it. I was even more interested in the
>>> plane he referred to as "Fat Albert". Anyone have any pics of this one?
>>>
>>> Larry gave me permission to post his response. Given his position in
>>> flight test, he'd be a valuable resource for those looking for
>>> information on those planes that "got away".
>>>
>>> Larry, thanks for letting me post this.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Bruce Smith
>>>
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> Subject: Re: Grumman American test rig
>>> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:42:26 -0400
>>> From: Larry Matteo <larrymatteo@sbcglobal.net>
>>> To: <bruce.smith@york.com>
>>> References: <00e101c65ab9$d1f1c450$2c1cfea9@larryk1twf2i25>
>>> <443A4632.5040605@york.com>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bruce,
>>>
>>> Well, I could be cute and "Yes there was!!" and talk about the CS prop
>>> equipped retractable developed in Cleveland --- only to say it was the
>>> Cougar. The retractable gear thing was not raised seriously while I was
>>> there. The gear cleanup done under Roy LoPresti's crew was the next best
>>> thing.
>>>
>>> There was a time that N7755B (the original Tiger prototype pictured in
>>> '75 and 76 brochures) spent with an enlarged wing AND a 235 hp six
>>> banger (like a C182 or Archer) with an upper cowling that was also
>>> modified (looked like it had a GTO hood scoop). It of course has a CS
>>> prop.
>>>
>>> The outer 2 sections of wing were the same as the other AA5s, but the
>>> inner section and wing root were lengthened in chord and thickness,
>>> tapered to the outer sections. Never got photos of that one.
>>> This was the period where this particular a/c picked up the moniker "Fat
>>> Albert".
>>> A TurboTiger was developed with a 200 hp (ala Turbo Arrow) turbocharged
>>> engine and it also had a CS prop. I had the pleasure of being the IFR
>>> rated pilot on that one for a couple of flights so we could go higher
>>> than 18,000 feet for the purpose of getting numbers. Don't remember any
>>> of the performance numbers. I've attached a picture of the front of the
>>> A/C.
>>>
>>> Larry
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: [Fwd: Re: Grumman American test rig] |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "The Sign Guys" <avsigns@ccinternet.net>
I'd like to see the photos please.
Thanks, Kevin
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Smith" <bruce.smith@york.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 7:59 AM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: [Fwd: Re: Grumman American test rig]
> --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Bruce Smith <bruce.smith@york.com>
>
> Yup. Sorry. Forgot there might be a size limit or a constraint on
> attaching photos. Gary or anyone else interested, let me know and I'll
> forward the photo directly.
>
> Bruce
>
> flyv35b said the following on 4/12/2006 8:44 AM:
> > --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "flyv35b"
<flyv35b@ashcreekwireless.com>
> >
> > Bruce, could you post the photos that went with Larry's email? Or send
them
> > privately?
> >
> > Cliff
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bruce Smith" <bruce.smith@york.com>
> > To: "Team Grumman" <teamgrumman-list@matronics.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:01 AM
> > Subject: TeamGrumman-List: [Fwd: Re: Grumman American test rig]
> >
> >
> >
> >> --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Bruce Smith
<bruce.smith@york.com>
> >>
> >> Teamsters,
> >>
> >> Larry Matteo sent me this response in regards to a question I had
> >> regarding retractable Grummans. I had heard of the TurboTiger before,
> >> but hadn't seen a picture of it. I was even more interested in the
> >> plane he referred to as "Fat Albert". Anyone have any pics of this one?
> >>
> >> Larry gave me permission to post his response. Given his position in
> >> flight test, he'd be a valuable resource for those looking for
> >> information on those planes that "got away".
> >>
> >> Larry, thanks for letting me post this.
> >>
> >> Thanks.
> >>
> >> Bruce Smith
> >>
> >> -------- Original Message --------
> >> Subject: Re: Grumman American test rig
> >> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:42:26 -0400
> >> From: Larry Matteo <larrymatteo@sbcglobal.net>
> >> To: <bruce.smith@york.com>
> >> References: <00e101c65ab9$d1f1c450$2c1cfea9@larryk1twf2i25>
> >> <443A4632.5040605@york.com>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Bruce,
> >>
> >> Well, I could be cute and "Yes there was!!" and talk about the CS prop
> >> equipped retractable developed in Cleveland --- only to say it was the
> >> Cougar. The retractable gear thing was not raised seriously while I was
> >> there. The gear cleanup done under Roy LoPresti's crew was the next
best
> >> thing.
> >>
> >> There was a time that N7755B (the original Tiger prototype pictured in
> >> '75 and 76 brochures) spent with an enlarged wing AND a 235 hp six
> >> banger (like a C182 or Archer) with an upper cowling that was also
> >> modified (looked like it had a GTO hood scoop). It of course has a CS
> >> prop.
> >>
> >> The outer 2 sections of wing were the same as the other AA5s, but the
> >> inner section and wing root were lengthened in chord and thickness,
> >> tapered to the outer sections. Never got photos of that one.
> >> This was the period where this particular a/c picked up the moniker
"Fat
> >> Albert".
> >> A TurboTiger was developed with a 200 hp (ala Turbo Arrow) turbocharged
> >> engine and it also had a CS prop. I had the pleasure of being the IFR
> >> rated pilot on that one for a couple of flights so we could go higher
> >> than 18,000 feet for the purpose of getting numbers. Don't remember any
> >> of the performance numbers. I've attached a picture of the front of the
> >> A/C.
> >>
> >> Larry
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: [Fwd: Re: Grumman American test rig] |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "923te" <923te@cox.net>
Me too Bruce. I'd love to see the pics:
923te@cox.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Smith" <bruce.smith@york.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 7:59 AM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: [Fwd: Re: Grumman American test rig]
> --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Bruce Smith <bruce.smith@york.com>
>
> Yup. Sorry. Forgot there might be a size limit or a constraint on
> attaching photos. Gary or anyone else interested, let me know and I'll
> forward the photo directly.
>
> Bruce
>
> flyv35b said the following on 4/12/2006 8:44 AM:
>> --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "flyv35b"
>> <flyv35b@ashcreekwireless.com>
>>
>> Bruce, could you post the photos that went with Larry's email? Or send
>> them
>> privately?
>>
>> Cliff
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bruce Smith" <bruce.smith@york.com>
>> To: "Team Grumman" <teamgrumman-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:01 AM
>> Subject: TeamGrumman-List: [Fwd: Re: Grumman American test rig]
>>
>>
>>
>>> --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Bruce Smith
>>> <bruce.smith@york.com>
>>>
>>> Teamsters,
>>>
>>> Larry Matteo sent me this response in regards to a question I had
>>> regarding retractable Grummans. I had heard of the TurboTiger before,
>>> but hadn't seen a picture of it. I was even more interested in the
>>> plane he referred to as "Fat Albert". Anyone have any pics of this one?
>>>
>>> Larry gave me permission to post his response. Given his position in
>>> flight test, he'd be a valuable resource for those looking for
>>> information on those planes that "got away".
>>>
>>> Larry, thanks for letting me post this.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Bruce Smith
>>>
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> Subject: Re: Grumman American test rig
>>> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:42:26 -0400
>>> From: Larry Matteo <larrymatteo@sbcglobal.net>
>>> To: <bruce.smith@york.com>
>>> References: <00e101c65ab9$d1f1c450$2c1cfea9@larryk1twf2i25>
>>> <443A4632.5040605@york.com>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bruce,
>>>
>>> Well, I could be cute and "Yes there was!!" and talk about the CS prop
>>> equipped retractable developed in Cleveland --- only to say it was the
>>> Cougar. The retractable gear thing was not raised seriously while I was
>>> there. The gear cleanup done under Roy LoPresti's crew was the next best
>>> thing.
>>>
>>> There was a time that N7755B (the original Tiger prototype pictured in
>>> '75 and 76 brochures) spent with an enlarged wing AND a 235 hp six
>>> banger (like a C182 or Archer) with an upper cowling that was also
>>> modified (looked like it had a GTO hood scoop). It of course has a CS
>>> prop.
>>>
>>> The outer 2 sections of wing were the same as the other AA5s, but the
>>> inner section and wing root were lengthened in chord and thickness,
>>> tapered to the outer sections. Never got photos of that one.
>>> This was the period where this particular a/c picked up the moniker "Fat
>>> Albert".
>>> A TurboTiger was developed with a 200 hp (ala Turbo Arrow) turbocharged
>>> engine and it also had a CS prop. I had the pleasure of being the IFR
>>> rated pilot on that one for a couple of flights so we could go higher
>>> than 18,000 feet for the purpose of getting numbers. Don't remember any
>>> of the performance numbers. I've attached a picture of the front of the
>>> A/C.
>>>
>>> Larry
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "Steve Roberts" <aa1bflyboy@msn.com>
The biggest complaint I have with that other list is it's selective on who
and what is bounced. If it we were bounced on an even playing field then I'd
have no issues with it. When is the AYA going to have a list of their own,
without a list Nazi?
Do a lot, get a little;
Do a little, get a lot;
Do nothing, get it all.
Steve Roberts - AA-1B N9664L @ ILG
----Original Message Follows----
From: Walt Beaulieu <aviation@acs-group.net>
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Freedom of Speach - Spelled speech
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Walt Beaulieu
<aviation@acs-group.net>
What about the list owners right to do whatever HE wants to do. It's his
list, he can do what he wants with it anytime he wants. Yes, I believe
that one of the airplane lists we all frequent has a moderator that is
kind of a prick but he has that right too. For you to quote chapter and
verse about what the government should not be doing and apply it to him
is beyond a stretch.
If anyone does not like it, they can start their own and run it anyway
they want.
>>
>>
>
>You're welcome. I think having one forum modeled after a government that
>wants to control what is acceptable to say, to read, to believe, to fear,
and to
>accept, is one too many.
>
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--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "Steve Roberts" <aa1bflyboy@msn.com>
I couldn't get the link could you send it again?
Do a lot, get a little;
Do a little, get a lot;
Do nothing, get it all.
Steve Roberts - AA-1B N9664L @ ILG
----Original Message Follows----
From: Bruce Smith <bruce.smith@york.com>
Subject: TeamGrumman-List: [Fwd: Re: Grumman American test rig]
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Bruce Smith <bruce.smith@york.com>
Teamsters,
Larry Matteo sent me this response in regards to a question I had
regarding retractable Grummans. I had heard of the TurboTiger before,
but hadn't seen a picture of it. I was even more interested in the
plane he referred to as "Fat Albert". Anyone have any pics of this one?
Larry gave me permission to post his response. Given his position in
flight test, he'd be a valuable resource for those looking for
information on those planes that "got away".
Larry, thanks for letting me post this.
Thanks.
Bruce Smith
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Grumman American test rig
From: Larry Matteo <larrymatteo@sbcglobal.net>
References: <00e101c65ab9$d1f1c450$2c1cfea9@larryk1twf2i25>
<443A4632.5040605@york.com>
Bruce,
Well, I could be cute and "Yes there was!!" and talk about the CS prop
equipped retractable developed in Cleveland --- only to say it was the
Cougar. The retractable gear thing was not raised seriously while I was
there. The gear cleanup done under Roy LoPresti's crew was the next best
thing.
There was a time that N7755B (the original Tiger prototype pictured in
'75 and 76 brochures) spent with an enlarged wing AND a 235 hp six
banger (like a C182 or Archer) with an upper cowling that was also
modified (looked like it had a GTO hood scoop). It of course has a CS prop.
The outer 2 sections of wing were the same as the other AA5s, but the
inner section and wing root were lengthened in chord and thickness,
tapered to the outer sections. Never got photos of that one.
This was the period where this particular a/c picked up the moniker "Fat
Albert".
A TurboTiger was developed with a 200 hp (ala Turbo Arrow) turbocharged
engine and it also had a CS prop. I had the pleasure of being the IFR
rated pilot on that one for a couple of flights so we could go higher
than 18,000 feet for the purpose of getting numbers. Don't remember any
of the performance numbers. I've attached a picture of the front of the A/C.
Larry
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--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "flyv35b" <flyv35b@ashcreekwireless.com>
Minden is probably the most logical place, but I have a friend who is a CFI
glider instructor who has a friend who may rent me his glider and there is a
club north of Reno on a private strip where I might take some lessons.
Cliff
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gil Alexander" <gilalex@earthlink.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Glider Training
> --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Gil Alexander
> <gilalex@earthlink.net>
>
> Cliff... I've always gone to Minden (Douglas County Airport) since they
> appear to be more soaring oriented there.
>
> I used to spent a weeks vacation there when I lived in LA.. just towed my
> glider up there....
> If I went to the closer Mojave Desert, work would call and want be to come
> in for a day since I was so close...:
> )
>
> Minden is better for cross country flying...
>
> Any reason you pick Reno-Stead over Minden?
>
> gil A
>
> At 08:49 AM 4/11/2006, you wrote:
>>--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "923te" <923te@cox.net>
>>
>>Hey Cliff,
>>
>>Can you tell us more about the Glider training? I started working on a
>>Glider rating a few years ago but our local club moved. Is the place in
>>Reno
>>set up to get a person a rated? If so maybe I could join you there for
>>some
>>training.
>>
>>Ned
>>
>>
>>
>> > I was just down there a week ago. Won't be again until maybe late May.
>> > I'll be in Reno (Stead I think) on May 6 to do some glider training.
>> >
>> > Cliff
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Walt Beaulieu <aviation@acs-group.net>
Inertia rules... It would take some considerable marketing to dry up the
nazi list and move everone somewhere else though.
Steve Roberts wrote:
>--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "Steve Roberts" <aa1bflyboy@msn.com>
>
>The biggest complaint I have with that other list is it's selective on who
>and what is bounced. If it we were bounced on an even playing field then I'd
>have no issues with it. When is the AYA going to have a list of their own,
>without a list Nazi?
>
>Do a lot, get a little;
>Do a little, get a lot;
>Do nothing, get it all.
>Steve Roberts - AA-1B N9664L @ ILG
>
>----Original Message Follows----
>From: Walt Beaulieu <aviation@acs-group.net>
>To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Freedom of Speach - Spelled speech
>Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 04:48:59 -0700
>
>--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Walt Beaulieu
><aviation@acs-group.net>
>
>What about the list owners right to do whatever HE wants to do. It's his
>list, he can do what he wants with it anytime he wants. Yes, I believe
>that one of the airplane lists we all frequent has a moderator that is
>kind of a prick but he has that right too. For you to quote chapter and
>verse about what the government should not be doing and apply it to him
>is beyond a stretch.
>
>If anyone does not like it, they can start their own and run it anyway
>they want.
>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >You're welcome. I think having one forum modeled after a government that
> >wants to control what is acceptable to say, to read, to believe, to fear,
>and to
> >accept, is one too many.
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Glider Training |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Gil Alexander <gilalex@earthlink.net>
Good reason...
I presume the strip you are talking about is Air Sailing?
I spent a very good week there at a Cross Country Training camp with my
Mini-Nimbus.
The weather is very variable, but the locals had it pegged in a way I
haven't seen before...
I always remembered having a morning briefing in a metal hangar with rain
falling very loudly, and having the day declared good. Sure enough, by
1:00 pm we were off on a 100+ mile cross-country. At any other glider
port, the pilots would have just stayed in bed!!
gil A
At 07:04 AM 4/12/2006, you wrote:
>--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "flyv35b"
><flyv35b@ashcreekwireless.com>
>
>Minden is probably the most logical place, but I have a friend who is a CFI
>glider instructor who has a friend who may rent me his glider and there is a
>club north of Reno on a private strip where I might take some lessons.
>
>Cliff
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Gil Alexander" <gilalex@earthlink.net>
>To: <teamgrumman-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 9:45 AM
>Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Glider Training
>
>
> > --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Gil Alexander
> > <gilalex@earthlink.net>
> >
> > Cliff... I've always gone to Minden (Douglas County Airport) since they
> > appear to be more soaring oriented there.
> >
> > I used to spent a weeks vacation there when I lived in LA.. just towed my
> > glider up there....
> > If I went to the closer Mojave Desert, work would call and want be to come
> > in for a day since I was so close...:
> > )
> >
> > Minden is better for cross country flying...
> >
> > Any reason you pick Reno-Stead over Minden?
> >
> > gil A
> >
> > At 08:49 AM 4/11/2006, you wrote:
> >>--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "923te" <923te@cox.net>
> >>
> >>Hey Cliff,
> >>
> >>Can you tell us more about the Glider training? I started working on a
> >>Glider rating a few years ago but our local club moved. Is the place in
> >>Reno
> >>set up to get a person a rated? If so maybe I could join you there for
> >>some
> >>training.
> >>
> >>Ned
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > I was just down there a week ago. Won't be again until maybe late May.
> >> > I'll be in Reno (Stead I think) on May 6 to do some glider training.
> >> >
> >> > Cliff
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: [Fwd: Re: Grumman American test rig] |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Ed Hash <aired@frontiernet.net>
Could you post the pictures on Popav.com?
Ed
On Apr 12, 2006, at 6:53 AM, Steve Roberts wrote:
> --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "Steve Roberts"
> <aa1bflyboy@msn.com>
>
> I couldn't get the link could you send it again?
>
> Do a lot, get a little;
> Do a little, get a lot;
> Do nothing, get it all.
> Steve Roberts - AA-1B N9664L @ ILG
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: Bruce Smith <bruce.smith@york.com>
> To: Team Grumman <teamgrumman-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: TeamGrumman-List: [Fwd: Re: Grumman American test rig]
> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:01:30 -0400
>
> --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Bruce Smith
> <bruce.smith@york.com>
>
> Teamsters,
>
> Larry Matteo sent me this response in regards to a question I had
> regarding retractable Grummans. I had heard of the TurboTiger before,
> but hadn't seen a picture of it. I was even more interested in the
> plane he referred to as "Fat Albert". Anyone have any pics of this
> one?
>
> Larry gave me permission to post his response. Given his position in
> flight test, he'd be a valuable resource for those looking for
> information on those planes that "got away".
>
> Larry, thanks for letting me post this.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Bruce Smith
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: Grumman American test rig
> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:42:26 -0400
> From: Larry Matteo <larrymatteo@sbcglobal.net>
> To: <bruce.smith@york.com>
> References: <00e101c65ab9$d1f1c450$2c1cfea9@larryk1twf2i25>
> <443A4632.5040605@york.com>
>
>
> Bruce,
>
> Well, I could be cute and "Yes there was!!" and talk about the CS prop
> equipped retractable developed in Cleveland --- only to say it was the
> Cougar. The retractable gear thing was not raised seriously while I
> was
> there. The gear cleanup done under Roy LoPresti's crew was the next
> best
> thing.
>
> There was a time that N7755B (the original Tiger prototype pictured in
> '75 and 76 brochures) spent with an enlarged wing AND a 235 hp six
> banger (like a C182 or Archer) with an upper cowling that was also
> modified (looked like it had a GTO hood scoop). It of course has a
> CS prop.
>
> The outer 2 sections of wing were the same as the other AA5s, but the
> inner section and wing root were lengthened in chord and thickness,
> tapered to the outer sections. Never got photos of that one.
> This was the period where this particular a/c picked up the moniker
> "Fat
> Albert".
> A TurboTiger was developed with a 200 hp (ala Turbo Arrow)
> turbocharged
> engine and it also had a CS prop. I had the pleasure of being the IFR
> rated pilot on that one for a couple of flights so we could go higher
> than 18,000 feet for the purpose of getting numbers. Don't remember
> any
> of the performance numbers. I've attached a picture of the front of
> the A/C.
>
> Larry
>
>
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--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "James Courtney" <jamey@jamescourtney.net>
I'd love to see them too!
Jamey
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bruce
Smith
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:59 AM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: [Fwd: Re: Grumman American test rig]
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Bruce Smith
--> <bruce.smith@york.com>
Yup. Sorry. Forgot there might be a size limit or a constraint on
attaching photos. Gary or anyone else interested, let me know and I'll
forward the photo directly.
Bruce
flyv35b said the following on 4/12/2006 8:44 AM:
> --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "flyv35b"
> --> <flyv35b@ashcreekwireless.com>
>
> Bruce, could you post the photos that went with Larry's email? Or
> send them
> privately?
>
> Cliff
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bruce Smith" <bruce.smith@york.com>
> To: "Team Grumman" <teamgrumman-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:01 AM
> Subject: TeamGrumman-List: [Fwd: Re: Grumman American test rig]
>
>
>
>> --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Bruce Smith
>> --> <bruce.smith@york.com>
>>
>> Teamsters,
>>
>> Larry Matteo sent me this response in regards to a question I had
>> regarding retractable Grummans. I had heard of the TurboTiger before,
>> but hadn't seen a picture of it. I was even more interested in the
>> plane he referred to as "Fat Albert". Anyone have any pics of this
>> one?
>>
>> Larry gave me permission to post his response. Given his position in
>> flight test, he'd be a valuable resource for those looking for
>> information on those planes that "got away".
>>
>> Larry, thanks for letting me post this.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Bruce Smith
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Re: Grumman American test rig
>> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:42:26 -0400
>> From: Larry Matteo <larrymatteo@sbcglobal.net>
>> To: <bruce.smith@york.com>
>> References: <00e101c65ab9$d1f1c450$2c1cfea9@larryk1twf2i25>
>> <443A4632.5040605@york.com>
>>
>>
>>
>> Bruce,
>>
>> Well, I could be cute and "Yes there was!!" and talk about the CS
>> prop equipped retractable developed in Cleveland --- only to say it
>> was the Cougar. The retractable gear thing was not raised seriously
>> while I was there. The gear cleanup done under Roy LoPresti's crew
>> was the next best thing.
>>
>> There was a time that N7755B (the original Tiger prototype pictured
>> in '75 and 76 brochures) spent with an enlarged wing AND a 235 hp six
>> banger (like a C182 or Archer) with an upper cowling that was also
>> modified (looked like it had a GTO hood scoop). It of course has a CS
>> prop.
>>
>> The outer 2 sections of wing were the same as the other AA5s, but the
>> inner section and wing root were lengthened in chord and thickness,
>> tapered to the outer sections. Never got photos of that one. This was
>> the period where this particular a/c picked up the moniker "Fat
>> Albert". A TurboTiger was developed with a 200 hp (ala Turbo Arrow)
>> turbocharged engine and it also had a CS prop. I had the pleasure of
>> being the IFR rated pilot on that one for a couple of flights so we
>> could go higher than 18,000 feet for the purpose of getting numbers.
>> Don't remember any of the performance numbers. I've attached a
>> picture of the front of the A/C.
>>
>> Larry
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
Walt Beaulieu wrote:
>--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Walt Beaulieu <aviation@acs-group.net>
>
>Inertia rules... It would take some considerable marketing to dry up the
>nazi list and move everone somewhere else though.
>
Not really true. The RV-10 (and other RV lists) moved from AOL to
Matronics ...... en mass ..... and for the same reason!!!
And, come to think of it ..... it's why we're here ...... and I think
this list is growing. I still monitor both lists ..... and answer only
once when a message appears on both lists. The first one I see, I
answer. Usually on the Matronics list.
Linn
>
>Steve Roberts wrote:
>
>
>
>>--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "Steve Roberts" <aa1bflyboy@msn.com>
>>
>>The biggest complaint I have with that other list is it's selective on who
>>and what is bounced. If it we were bounced on an even playing field then I'd
>>have no issues with it. When is the AYA going to have a list of their own,
>>without a list Nazi?
>>
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--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "Larry Matteo" <larrymatteo@sbcglobal.net>
Bruce,
I only flew on the test flights. I actually supervised in the paint shop. It
ran so well that my guys did anything they could to get me out of their
hair, so I got to do things like FLY!!!
Larry Matteo
Cleveland paint shop supervisor
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--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "Larry Matteo" <larrymatteo@sbcglobal.net>
Cliff,
Here's the one and 2 more.
Larry Matteo
Cleveland paint shop supervisor
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--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "Steve Roberts" <aa1bflyboy@msn.com>
I don't think this list supports pictures. Could you mail them to me. I'll
be happy to put them in my yahoo photos where anyone can then go and see
them...
Do a lot, get a little;
Do a little, get a lot;
Do nothing, get it all.
Steve Roberts - AA-1B N9664L @ ILG
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Larry Matteo" <larrymatteo@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: [Fwd: Re: Grumman American test rig]
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "Larry Matteo"
<larrymatteo@sbcglobal.net>
Cliff,
Here's the one and 2 more.
Larry Matteo
Cleveland paint shop supervisor
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| Subject: | Turbo Tiger Picture |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Bruce Smith <res02p3h@verizon.net>
Teamsters,
For those of you who've requested a copy of the TurboTiger that I
haven't sent to yet, go to the following link. You should be able to
download the picture from there.
http://homepage.mac.com/haveblue1/FileSharing12.html
Let me know if you have trouble. I'll send it to you directly.
Thanks.
Bruce
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| Subject: | Turbo Tiger Picture |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "Steve Roberts" <aa1bflyboy@msn.com>
Hey that's great Bruce.
Do a lot, get a little;
Do a little, get a lot;
Do nothing, get it all.
Steve Roberts - AA-1B N9664L @ ILG
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Bruce Smith <res02p3h@verizon.net>
Teamsters,
For those of you who've requested a copy of the TurboTiger that I
haven't sent to yet, go to the following link. You should be able to
download the picture from there.
http://homepage.mac.com/haveblue1/FileSharing12.html
Let me know if you have trouble. I'll send it to you directly.
Thanks.
Bruce
Message 23
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| Subject: | Re: TeamGrumman-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 04/11/06 |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: airman@appledumplings.com
>
>> Hey guys, take these individual conversations off the network.
>>
>
> This isn't the Grumman Gang. If they want to chat, it's up to
> them. This
> is an OPEN forum.
>
> Get used to it.
>
>
Dont you think you are being a little rough just in a different way
than the gumman-gang nazi?
I know I dont have much say as to the content of this forum but
personally I was hoping for a forum where you are not censored nor
banned but that people police themselves and keep on topic. That is
what he was doing gently prodding these guys to not send fluff to all
the people that are here for grumman info. The Grumman gang
certainly goes to far in the other direction. But we dont want this
forum to have 10 percent grumman info 90% fluff do we? If it becomes
more of an "OPEN" forum then it becomes as useful as the other 1000
spams we get everyday.
So where as I dont think there should be enforcement through ban or
censor, we should all try to stay on topic and when it starts to get
far afoot we can gently prod others to take offline or if we are the
offenders then to notice this ourselves and take it offline. This
will make the forum a fun place that is useful for the topic of
aviation and specifically grummans.
Now my on topic stuff :)
I am here to learn about grumman related stuff because i am a new
owner of a 1976(aa55-0166) Tiger. It is still in annual and avionics
upgrade mode. I havent picked it up yet and still have a week more to
wait because the new prop hasnt made it in yet. A little story is
that the guy selling it thought that the number 1 logbook was
missing. He bought it at a discount because of this as did I from
him. When I went down after the sale to go through some things with
maint shop. I poured through the binder that had all the info on the
plane and found the missing logbook. Now that is a good feeling:) My
question is have any of you guys replaced the canopy seals? Is this
something an owner can do and if so what are your experiences?
N74225
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| Subject: | Re: Freedom of Speach - Spelled speech |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Gil Alexander <gilalex@earthlink.net>
Linn ... and then most folks moved from the Matronics one
to http://www.vansairforce.net/ which is strictly controlled...... gil A
At 05:29 PM 4/12/2006, you wrote:
>--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: linn Walters
><pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
>
>Walt Beaulieu wrote:
>
> >--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Walt Beaulieu
> <aviation@acs-group.net>
> >
> >Inertia rules... It would take some considerable marketing to dry up the
> >nazi list and move everone somewhere else though.
> >
>Not really true. The RV-10 (and other RV lists) moved from AOL to
>Matronics ...... en mass ..... and for the same reason!!!
>
>And, come to think of it ..... it's why we're here ...... and I think
>this list is growing. I still monitor both lists ..... and answer only
>once when a message appears on both lists. The first one I see, I
>answer. Usually on the Matronics list.
>Linn
>
> >
> >Steve Roberts wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "Steve Roberts"
> <aa1bflyboy@msn.com>
> >>
> >>The biggest complaint I have with that other list is it's selective on who
> >>and what is bounced. If it we were bounced on an even playing field
> then I'd
> >>have no issues with it. When is the AYA going to have a list of their own,
> >>without a list Nazi?
> >>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Freedom of Speach - Spelled speech |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Actually, Doug Reeves closed down all of the Yahoo Groups sites that he had started
and moved to a Web Forum layout instead. Matronics has picked up quite a
few new members since then, since many people prefer the email distribution to
the BBS Forum format.
That being said, Matronics has recently added BBS forum that is tied directly to the existing email lists so no matter what you format preference (email or web) you can view your content the way you like. http://forums.matronics.com
Matt
At 08:05 PM 4/12/2006 Wednesday, you wrote:
>--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Gil Alexander <gilalex@earthlink.net>
>
>Linn ... and then most folks moved from the Matronics one
>to http://www.vansairforce.net/ which is strictly controlled...... gil A
>
>At 05:29 PM 4/12/2006, you wrote:
>>--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: linn Walters
>><pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
>>
>>Walt Beaulieu wrote:
>>
>> >--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Walt Beaulieu
>> <aviation@acs-group.net>
>> >
>> >Inertia rules... It would take some considerable marketing to dry up the
>> >nazi list and move everone somewhere else though.
>> >
>>Not really true. The RV-10 (and other RV lists) moved from AOL to
>>Matronics ...... en mass ..... and for the same reason!!!
>>
>>And, come to think of it ..... it's why we're here ...... and I think
>>this list is growing. I still monitor both lists ..... and answer only
>>once when a message appears on both lists. The first one I see, I
>>answer. Usually on the Matronics list.
>>Linn
>>
>> >
>> >Steve Roberts wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "Steve Roberts"
>> <aa1bflyboy@msn.com>
>> >>
>> >>The biggest complaint I have with that other list is it's selective on who
>> >>and what is bounced. If it we were bounced on an even playing field
>> then I'd
>> >>have no issues with it. When is the AYA going to have a list of their own,
>> >>without a list Nazi?
>> >>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
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--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: TeamGrumman@aol.com
I think it's Joe Bruer who has/had a turbo Tiger. Correct me Cliff.
What was it's cruise altitude and what did it true out at?
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| Subject: | Re: [Fwd: Re: Grumman American test rig] |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: TeamGrumman@aol.com
In a message dated 4/12/06 6:00:22 AM, bruce.smith@york.com writes:
> Yup. Sorry. Forgot there might be a size limit or a constraint on
> attaching photos. Gary or anyone else interested, let me know and I'll
> forward the photo directly.
>
>
Check with Matt. I'm supposed to have a web page associated with
TeamGrumman-List to put pics on. I used it once. I don't remember how it works.
Gary
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| Subject: | Re: Freedom of Speach - Spelled speech |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: TeamGrumman@aol.com
In a message dated 4/12/06 6:51:15 AM, aa1bflyboy@msn.com writes:
> The biggest complaint I have with that other list is it's selective on who
> and what is bounced. If it we were bounced on an even playing field then I'd
> have no issues with it. When is the AYA going to have a list of their own,
> without a list Nazi?
>
>
Doesn't this list serve that purpose?
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--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: TeamGrumman@aol.com
In a message dated 4/12/06 6:54:43 PM, airman@appledumplings.com writes:
> My question is have any of you guys replaced the canopy seals?=A0 Is this=A0
> something an owner can do and if so what are your experiences?
>
Which seals? The one in the back? or the flat one along the front opening?
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| Subject: | Re: TeamGrumman-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 04/11/06 |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "Steve Roberts" <aa1bflyboy@msn.com>
Mark, although I don't own a Tiger I believe the process of changing the
canopy seals is pretty much the same for the two place vs. four place
Grummans. It's not that difficult and yes you can do it yourself. The most
important part I found when I did mine was getting the surface of the
winshield bow well preped for the new seal (MEK and elbow grease with
extreme care not to get the MEK on the windshield). Fletchair has the seals
for the four place. As for mine they only had some of them so I used a four
place seal for the canopy to winshield bow. I used contact cement to adhear
the new seal.
As for this list. I think you'll see more activity here based on how many
posts are bounced on the GG. When folks are fed up with getting their posts
bounced (like me) they post here more. (just MHO) What you won't find here
is any of the flap about flaps up vs. down on T/O, and you won't have to
fear being turned into the FFA about something you posted to the list.
Do a lot, get a little;
Do a little, get a lot;
Do nothing, get it all.
Steve Roberts - AA-1B N9664L @ ILG << has used flaps on T/O and lived to
tell about it.
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: airman@appledumplings.com
>
>> Hey guys, take these individual conversations off the network.
>>
>
> This isn't the Grumman Gang. If they want to chat, it's up to
> them. This
> is an OPEN forum.
>
> Get used to it.
>
>
>
Dont you think you are being a little rough just in a different way
than the gumman-gang nazi?
I know I dont have much say as to the content of this forum but
personally I was hoping for a forum where you are not censored nor
banned but that people police themselves and keep on topic. That is
what he was doing gently prodding these guys to not send fluff to all
the people that are here for grumman info. The Grumman gang
certainly goes to far in the other direction. But we dont want this
forum to have 10 percent grumman info 90% fluff do we? If it becomes
more of an "OPEN" forum then it becomes as useful as the other 1000
spams we get everyday.
So where as I dont think there should be enforcement through ban or
censor, we should all try to stay on topic and when it starts to get
far afoot we can gently prod others to take offline or if we are the
offenders then to notice this ourselves and take it offline. This
will make the forum a fun place that is useful for the topic of
aviation and specifically grummans.
Now my on topic stuff :)
I am here to learn about grumman related stuff because i am a new
owner of a 1976(aa55-0166) Tiger. It is still in annual and avionics
upgrade mode. I havent picked it up yet and still have a week more to
wait because the new prop hasnt made it in yet. A little story is
that the guy selling it thought that the number 1 logbook was
missing. He bought it at a discount because of this as did I from
him. When I went down after the sale to go through some things with
maint shop. I poured through the binder that had all the info on the
plane and found the missing logbook. Now that is a good feeling:) My
question is have any of you guys replaced the canopy seals? Is this
something an owner can do and if so what are your experiences?
N74225
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| Subject: | Re: Freedom of Speach - Spelled speech |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: TeamGrumman@aol.com
In a message dated 4/12/06 8:57:21 PM, dralle@matronics.com writes:
> That being said, Matronics has recently added BBS forum that is tied
> directly to the existing email lists so no matter what you format preference
(email
> or web) you can view your content the way you like.
> http://forums.matronics.com
>
> Matt
>
Thanks Matt, and we appreciate the choices. Can you tell me again how to
post a pic?
Gary
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--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "923te" <923te@cox.net>
Gary,
It is Brad Brotherton that has the Turbo. Joe Bruer had an IO360 with a
constant speed prop that he sold a couple years ago. THat plane is in
Northern, CA now Miwuk Village owned by theHawk's
Brad's Turbo Tiger was a one time STC gained around '85 or '86 by Seaplanes
something company near Seattle and when tey ent bankrupt the plane and or
STC was auctioned off. This a little sketchy but that's the gist of it.
It has NOT flow for many years and is in a very poor state of repair having
sat outsidde a number of yeara with a broken nose strut torque tube and a
run out engine and etc...
Brad told me he usually cruised at 175 mph. It had a fixed pitch prop which
severly limited t but it was certified for 25,000'. My notes get a little
sketchy here again but he mentioned he flew it once 215mph TAS at 18000' and
calculated that at 25,000 it would do 230mph TAS
BTW, He won't sell it:(
Best Regards,
Ned
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| Subject: | Re: Freedom of Speach - Spelled speech |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "Steve Roberts" <aa1bflyboy@msn.com>
Gary, yes it is a free and open list (and I do truely appreciate that) but
from your list description "Moderated by "Grumman Gary", the TeamGrumman
forum is a discussion group for performance modifications and maintenance on
the Grumman Cheetah & Tiger aircraft." technically I don't quite fit in
being an owner of an AA1x model. I know you prefer to focus your work on the
four place models and I take no issue with that. I just wish there could be
a list where we *all* could feel welcome and included be it a
Yankee/Trainer/Traveler/Cheetah or Tiger, oh yes Cougars too.
Do a lot, get a little;
Do a little, get a lot;
Do nothing, get it all.
Steve Roberts - AA-1B N9664L @ ILG
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: TeamGrumman@aol.com
In a message dated 4/12/06 6:51:15 AM, aa1bflyboy@msn.com writes:
> The biggest complaint I have with that other list is it's selective on
who
> and what is bounced. If it we were bounced on an even playing field then
I'd
> have no issues with it. When is the AYA going to have a list of their
own,
> without a list Nazi?
>
>
Doesn't this list serve that purpose?
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--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "James Courtney" <jamey@jamescourtney.net>
<2 cents>
But he'll let it sit and deteriorate? That's lame and seemingly idiotic.
</2 cents>
Jamey
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of 923te
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 9:45 PM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Turbo Tiger
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "923te" <923te@cox.net>
Gary,
It is Brad Brotherton that has the Turbo. Joe Bruer had an IO360 with a
constant speed prop that he sold a couple years ago. THat plane is in
Northern, CA now Miwuk Village owned by theHawk's
Brad's Turbo Tiger was a one time STC gained around '85 or '86 by Seaplanes
something company near Seattle and when tey ent bankrupt the plane and or
STC was auctioned off. This a little sketchy but that's the gist of it.
It has NOT flow for many years and is in a very poor state of repair having
sat outsidde a number of yeara with a broken nose strut torque tube and a
run out engine and etc...
Brad told me he usually cruised at 175 mph. It had a fixed pitch prop which
severly limited t but it was certified for 25,000'. My notes get a little
sketchy here again but he mentioned he flew it once 215mph TAS at 18000' and
calculated that at 25,000 it would do 230mph TAS
BTW, He won't sell it:(
Best Regards,
Ned
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| Subject: | Re: Freedom of Speach - Spelled speech |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle)
Gary didn't actually write that little discriptive paragraph. I
wrote it when I was building the new BBS Forums. I tried to write
a short narritive on what each list was about and that's what
popped into my head for the TeamGrummand-List. If you take a look
at the origial discription back on the Matronics Email List web
page, you'll find the following description for
the TeamGrumman-List ( http://www.matronics.com/emaillists ):
"The TeamGrumman-List is an Internet Email Group dedicated to the
support of the Grumman series of aircraft."
That pretty much includes all the models and I believe that was the
original intent of the List. I definately didn't intentionally intend
to exclude anyone from the "Grumman" list with my description.
With everyone's concent, I would be more that happy to added the other
models of aircraft in the Grumman line to the description.
Matt Dralle
Matronics.com Email List Admin.
>--------------
>Gary, yes it is a free and open list (and I do truely appreciate that) but
>from your list description "Moderated by "Grumman Gary", the TeamGrumman
>forum is a discussion group for performance modifications and maintenance on
>the Grumman Cheetah & Tiger aircraft." technically I don't quite fit in
>being an owner of an AA1x model. I know you prefer to focus your work on the
>four place models and I take no issue with that. I just wish there could be
>a list where we *all* could feel welcome and included be it a
>Yankee/Trainer/Traveler/Cheetah or Tiger, oh yes Cougars too.
>
>Steve Roberts - AA-1B N9664L @ ILG
>
>--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: TeamGrumman@aol.com
>
>In a message dated 4/12/06 6:51:15 AM, aa1bflyboy@msn.com writes:
>
> > The biggest complaint I have with that other list is it's selective on who
> > and what is bounced. If it we were bounced on an even playing field then I'd
> > have no issues with it. When is the AYA going to have a list of their own,
> > without a list Nazi?
>
>Doesn't this list serve that purpose?
>--------------
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