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1. 05:08 AM - Aft fuselage cracks (James Grieco)
2. 07:00 AM - Re: Re: flap flap again (flyv35b)
3. 07:57 AM - Re: Aft fuselage cracks (Gil Alexander)
4. 08:31 AM - Re: Re: flap flap again (James Courtney)
5. 12:57 PM - prop pitch question (airman@appledumplings.com)
6. 02:25 PM - Re: prop pitch question (Rick Lindstrom)
Message 1
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| Subject: | Aft fuselage cracks |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: James Grieco <jamesgrieco@yahoo.com>
Gary, I can't quite picture where the doublers would go. Are you
saying doublers on the skin, internal or external, or gusseting
the corners of the stiffeners together?
My favorite change would be to make the stiffeners into a frame
by either outright replacement, or riveting on angles to form an
inner flange. Just about any flange would stop the buckling
shown in a recent post.
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| Subject: | Re: flap flap again |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "flyv35b" <flyv35b@ashcreekwireless.com>
Having a x-wing doesn't mean you can't or shouldn't use flaps.
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Courtney" <jamey@jamescourtney.net>
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 10:20 PM
Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Re: flap flap again
> --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "James Courtney"
> <jamey@jamescourtney.net>
>
> We get a lot of x-wind at KSQL and so I frequently don't use flaps in the
> Grumman but as you say, may as well use them in whatever plane if
> conditions
> are favorable and save the brakes:)
>
> Jamey
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of flyv35b
> Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 12:34 PM
> To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: flap flap again
>
>
> --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "flyv35b"
> --> <flyv35b@ashcreekwireless.com>
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>> My problem now is that I got used to using flaps only when needed for
>> landing the Tiger (if I was high/fast or what not) but with the A36
>> I'm seldom high/fast with the gear out and prop flattenend out so I
>> totally forget to deploy the flaps. I need to do that more as it
>> lowers the nose, particularly with stuff in the back seats and
>> actually does improve low-speed behavior. This and I had the
>> nav-lights on yesterday in the 36 (cruddy weather so I flipped the
>> strobes, landing, nav-lights on) but this dims the 3-position gear
>> lights to the point of being undetectable in daylight which caused me
>> to go around at Hollister before I thought to cup my hand carefully
>> over the lights and really take a close look. Now no nav lights
>> unless at night for me. Still learning:)
>
> Not to mention the significant reduction in stall speed with flaps down in
> the Bonanza. If you ever go into a short field, say 1800 ft, you
> definitely
>
> are going to want the flaps down, probably all the way. I almost always
> land with full flaps in the Bonanza as I do in any of the Grummans.
> Turning
>
> on the nav lights does dim the gear warning lights and I have also had to
> look twice to see if they are on even at dusk with the nav lights on.
> Under
>
> normal circumstances I think it is a good idea to land with flaps in all
> airplanes, unless their is some overriding reason not to.
>
> Cliff
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aft fuselage cracks |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Gil Alexander <gilalex@earthlink.net>
At 05:06 AM 4/17/2006, you wrote:
>--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: James Grieco <jamesgrieco@yahoo.com>
>
>Gary, I can't quite picture where the doublers would go. Are you
>saying doublers on the skin, internal or external, or gusseting
>the corners of the stiffeners together?
>
>My favorite change would be to make the stiffeners into a frame
>by either outright replacement, or riveting on angles to form an
>inner flange. Just about any flange would stop the buckling
>shown in a recent post.
If you look at the frame just ahead of the one in question, you can see it
has a small (1/4 inch) bent flange on the inside - making the stiffeners
more U-shaped than L-shaped.
It seems to me that this would stop the buckling seen on my plane, and only
cost 0.01 of a pound...:
)
gil in Tucson
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| Subject: | Re: flap flap again |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "James Courtney" <jamey@jamescourtney.net>
"Having a x-wing doesn't mean you can't or shouldn't use flaps."
The lack of flaps is probably what put Luke in the swamp on Dagobah.
<yoda>Use flaps you shall, hmmmm.</yoda>
Seriously, that was a choice typo Cliff:)
Your point is well taken though. I'll make more use of my flaps.
Jamey
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of flyv35b
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 7:02 AM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: flap flap again
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "flyv35b"
--> <flyv35b@ashcreekwireless.com>
Having a x-wing doesn't mean you can't or shouldn't use flaps.
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Courtney" <jamey@jamescourtney.net>
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 10:20 PM
Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Re: flap flap again
> --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "James Courtney"
> <jamey@jamescourtney.net>
>
> We get a lot of x-wind at KSQL and so I frequently don't use flaps in
> the Grumman but as you say, may as well use them in whatever plane if
> conditions are favorable and save the brakes:)
>
> Jamey
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> flyv35b
> Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 12:34 PM
> To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: flap flap again
>
>
> --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "flyv35b"
> --> <flyv35b@ashcreekwireless.com>
>
>> My problem now is that I got used to using flaps only when needed for
>> landing the Tiger (if I was high/fast or what not) but with the A36
>> I'm seldom high/fast with the gear out and prop flattenend out so I
>> totally forget to deploy the flaps. I need to do that more as it
>> lowers the nose, particularly with stuff in the back seats and
>> actually does improve low-speed behavior. This and I had the
>> nav-lights on yesterday in the 36 (cruddy weather so I flipped the
>> strobes, landing, nav-lights on) but this dims the 3-position gear
>> lights to the point of being undetectable in daylight which caused me
>> to go around at Hollister before I thought to cup my hand carefully
>> over the lights and really take a close look. Now no nav lights
>> unless at night for me. Still learning:)
>
> Not to mention the significant reduction in stall speed with flaps
> down in the Bonanza. If you ever go into a short field, say 1800 ft,
> you definitely
>
> are going to want the flaps down, probably all the way. I almost
> always land with full flaps in the Bonanza as I do in any of the
> Grummans. Turning
>
> on the nav lights does dim the gear warning lights and I have also had
> to look twice to see if they are on even at dusk with the nav lights
> on. Under
>
> normal circumstances I think it is a good idea to land with flaps in
> all airplanes, unless their is some overriding reason not to.
>
> Cliff
>
>
>
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| Subject: | prop pitch question |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: airman@appledumplings.com
Originally sent this to the grumman-gang list with an "unacceptable
subject line" and got bounced by the gg-list nazi. figured I would
try here.
>
> I bought a 76 tiger and am getting a new sensenich prop. The
> problem is that the only pitch that they have is the 64" pitch prop
> available ... i was looking at 62" or 63" pitch but they say 6-12
> weeks. Repitching is extra So either I go with the 64 or i go
> pick it up and do the prop later.
> It doesnt have any performance mods like the power flow or anything
> so I am unsure what the max pitch I should consider.
> I have no experience in tigers so recommendations would be
> helpful. I plan to use it for my ifr training and flights back
> and forth to in-laws about 4-500 miles. I also will be going to a
> sea level airport of 2300' long on and off.
> Thanks in advance,
> Thomas
> N74225
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| Subject: | Re: prop pitch question |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Rick Lindstrom <tigerrick@mindspring.com>
Hi, Thomas!
I also have a '76 that is now equipped with a 63" pitch Sensenich, and
it does just fine high and hot when flown right. Dave Fletcher
maintains that the 62" is the ideal for most applications, and I don't
doubt him at all. I don't have the PF exhaust either, but I'm a nut
about engine maintenance, leaning, and a third flap on take off, so I've
been happy with the 63" while getting all out of the O-360 that it has
to offer.
The 64" can be repitched down to 63", but it sounds like you'd be better
off with the 62" - fly it awhile, and if you want a couple more knots at
cruise and a bit less climb, you could pitch it up an inch.
Just my opinion, obviously.
Rick Lindstrom
N74613
N4526B
N9738U
airman@appledumplings.com wrote:
>--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: airman@appledumplings.com
>
>Originally sent this to the grumman-gang list with an "unacceptable
>subject line" and got bounced by the gg-list nazi. figured I would
>try here.
>
>
>
>>I bought a 76 tiger and am getting a new sensenich prop. The
>>problem is that the only pitch that they have is the 64" pitch prop
>>available ... i was looking at 62" or 63" pitch but they say 6-12
>>weeks. Repitching is extra So either I go with the 64 or i go
>>pick it up and do the prop later.
>>It doesnt have any performance mods like the power flow or anything
>>so I am unsure what the max pitch I should consider.
>>I have no experience in tigers so recommendations would be
>>helpful. I plan to use it for my ifr training and flights back
>>and forth to in-laws about 4-500 miles. I also will be going to a
>>sea level airport of 2300' long on and off.
>>Thanks in advance,
>>Thomas
>>N74225
>>
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