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1. 12:17 AM - Re: I love my Tiger (aka fuel costs) (TeamGrumman@aol.com)
2. 12:24 AM - Re: AVGAS Prices (TeamGrumman@AOL.COM)
3. 04:14 AM - Re: I love my Tiger (aka fuel costs) (Dwork, Robert)
4. 06:25 AM - Relocate to CA (Weir, Douglas (CALYON))
5. 07:08 AM - Re: I love my Tiger (aka fuel costs) (Lee C. Verrone)
6. 07:24 AM - Re: Relocate to CA (James Courtney)
7. 09:20 AM - Re: Relocate to CA (Steve Roberts)
8. 09:29 AM - Re: AVGAS Prices (WILLIAM KELLY)
9. 09:44 AM - Re: Relocate to CA (Rick Pollack)
10. 09:57 AM - Re: Relocate to CA (James Courtney)
11. 10:11 AM - Re: Relocate to CA (Steve Roberts)
12. 10:16 AM - Re: I love my Tiger (aka fuel costs) (Scott Barboza)
13. 10:25 AM - Re: I love my Tiger (aka fuel costs) (Dwork, Robert)
14. 02:05 PM - Re: Relocate to CA (Anna3003@aol.com)
15. 08:25 PM - Re: Relocate to CA (Gil Alexander)
16. 08:43 PM - Re: Relocate to CA (WILLIAM KELLY)
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| Subject: | Re: I love my Tiger (aka fuel costs) |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: TeamGrumman@aol.com
Hi Bob,
My daughter lives in Taunton, MA and I plan to fly out to see her this summer
after the AYA flyin in Texas. Any suggestions where to land near Taunton?
Gary
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| Subject: | Re: AVGAS Prices |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: TeamGrumman@aol.com
In a message dated 4/24/06 12:51:33 PM, v1rotate@verizon.net writes:
> Gary, I moved to a hangar behind your old
> one at Fox.=A0 Nice to have electric.
>
> Bill Kelly
>
Hey Bill, Glad to hear you're still around. I moved to Lancaster for work.
As far as I can tell, that's the only reason someone would move there.
Are you going to move into the fly-in community near Fresno?
Gary
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| Subject: | I love my Tiger (aka fuel costs) |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "Dwork, Robert" <Robert.Dwork@Arbella.com>
Hey Gary-
Not too many years ago, you could land right INTO Taunton. That airport is
gone.
There are about three airports that are about equi-distant from the city of
Taunton. I'd guess that New Bedford is your best bet...it's the largest,
with the most choice in facilities, rental cars, etc. It's towered and has
the tightest security of the other two [Plymouth and Mansfield, both smaller
and uncontrolled], so your Grumman will be safe. For the last several
months, Sandpiper Air has sold avgas at considerably less than everybody
else. Call them for a tie-down if you want, they're nice people
(Mark)....maybe they'd stick you in a corner of their large hangar.
Drop me a line when you're in town!
Bob
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Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: I love my Tiger (aka fuel costs)
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: TeamGrumman@aol.com
Hi Bob,
My daughter lives in Taunton, MA and I plan to fly out to see her this
summer
after the AYA flyin in Texas. Any suggestions where to land near Taunton?
Gary
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--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "Weir, Douglas (CALYON)" <Douglas.Weir@us.calyon.com>
Question for CA based TG folks: are there annual taxes on your planes in CA?
Can anyone advise if I were to move to CA and bring my Tiger, would I
typically be subject to any type of sales or use tax for moving the plane to
CA. Not that any of this is highly probable, but just curious. Thanks,
Doug
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--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "Lee C. Verrone" <lverrone@optonline.net>
There is an airport right in Taunton, MA (KTAN).
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--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: TeamGrumman@aol.com
Hi Bob,
My daughter lives in Taunton, MA and I plan to fly out to see her this
summer
after the AYA flyin in Texas. Any suggestions where to land near Taunton?
Gary
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--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "James Courtney" <jamey@jamescourtney.net>
There's definitely an annual use tax levied by apparently all CA counties
but I don't see why you'd be taxed for bringing the plane in if you've had
it for a while. San Mateo County hits me up for about 1% annually.
Jamey
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[mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Weir,
Douglas (CALYON)
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 5:51 AM
Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Relocate to CA
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "Weir, Douglas (CALYON)"
--> <Douglas.Weir@us.calyon.com>
Question for CA based TG folks: are there annual taxes on your planes in CA?
Can anyone advise if I were to move to CA and bring my Tiger, would I
typically be subject to any type of sales or use tax for moving the plane to
CA. Not that any of this is highly probable, but just curious. Thanks,
Doug
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--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "Steve Roberts" <aa1bflyboy@msn.com>
Incorporate in Delaware, no use or sales tax. Let the corporation own the
plane. Many aircraft and boat owners do it. Need an address hit me up. I'll
be here for a while <G>...
Steve Roberts - AA-1B N9664L @ ILG
There's definitely an annual use tax levied by apparently all CA counties
but I don't see why you'd be taxed for bringing the plane in if you've had
it for a while. San Mateo County hits me up for about 1% annually.
Question for CA based TG folks: are there annual taxes on your planes in CA?
Can anyone advise if I were to move to CA and bring my Tiger, would I
typically be subject to any type of sales or use tax for moving the plane to
CA. Not that any of this is highly probable, but just curious. Thanks,
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| Subject: | Re: AVGAS Prices |
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "WILLIAM KELLY" <v1rotate@verizon.net>
Probably not, but I haven't looked there yet. I did some preliminary
checking of hangar rents at Chandler. They seem to be cheaper than Fox.
We'll see.
Bill
> Are you going to move into the fly-in community near Fresno?
> Gary
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--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "Rick Pollack" <rdp123@verizon.net>
Thanks for the offer Steve but the tax collector in L.A. is not stupid. If
your plane is here they will get their property tax every year unless you
hide it and move it around constantly. They track the hangars and tie downs
and insurance submission from the FBO's.
Rick Tiger 4542N Santa Monica
<aa1bflyboy@msn.com>
Incorporate in Delaware, no use or sales tax. Let the corporation own the
plane. Many aircraft and boat owners do it. Need an address hit me up. I'll
be here for a while <G>...
Steve Roberts - AA-1B N9664L @ ILG
There's definitely an annual use tax levied by apparently all CA counties
but I don't see why you'd be taxed for bringing the plane in if you've had
it for a while. San Mateo County hits me up for about 1% annually.
Question for CA based TG folks: are there annual taxes on your planes in CA?
Can anyone advise if I were to move to CA and bring my Tiger, would I
typically be subject to any type of sales or use tax for moving the plane to
CA. Not that any of this is highly probable, but just curious. Thanks,
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--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "James Courtney" <jamey@jamescourtney.net>
He's right and really, for 1% of your aircraft's value annualy, would it
really be worth the hassle and aggrivation of trying to dodge the system let
alone the risk of penalty when caught?
If there's a clear legal path to avoiding taxation I'll be the first guy in
line but in this case I've yet to hear of a way to beat the system.
Such is the price we pay for all the (normally) nice flying weather.
Jamey
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From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Pollack
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 9:43 AM
Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Relocate to CA
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "Rick Pollack"
--> <rdp123@verizon.net>
Thanks for the offer Steve but the tax collector in L.A. is not stupid. If
your plane is here they will get their property tax every year unless you
hide it and move it around constantly. They track the hangars and tie downs
and insurance submission from the FBO's.
Rick Tiger 4542N Santa Monica
<aa1bflyboy@msn.com>
Incorporate in Delaware, no use or sales tax. Let the corporation own the
plane. Many aircraft and boat owners do it. Need an address hit me up. I'll
be here for a while <G>...
Steve Roberts - AA-1B N9664L @ ILG
There's definitely an annual use tax levied by apparently all CA counties
but I don't see why you'd be taxed for bringing the plane in if you've had
it for a while. San Mateo County hits me up for about 1% annually.
Question for CA based TG folks: are there annual taxes on your planes in CA?
Can anyone advise if I were to move to CA and bring my Tiger, would I
typically be subject to any type of sales or use tax for moving the plane to
CA. Not that any of this is highly probable, but just curious. Thanks,
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--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "Steve Roberts" <aa1bflyboy@msn.com>
Oh well worth a try...
Steve Roberts - AA-1B N9664L @ ILG
He's right and really, for 1% of your aircraft's value annualy, would it
really be worth the hassle and aggrivation of trying to dodge the system let
alone the risk of penalty when caught?
If there's a clear legal path to avoiding taxation I'll be the first guy in
line but in this case I've yet to hear of a way to beat the system.
Such is the price we pay for all the (normally) nice flying weather.
Jamey
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Pollack
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 9:43 AM
Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Relocate to CA
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "Rick Pollack"
--> <rdp123@verizon.net>
Thanks for the offer Steve but the tax collector in L.A. is not stupid. If
your plane is here they will get their property tax every year unless you
hide it and move it around constantly. They track the hangars and tie downs
and insurance submission from the FBO's.
Rick Tiger 4542N Santa Monica
<aa1bflyboy@msn.com>
Incorporate in Delaware, no use or sales tax. Let the corporation own the
plane. Many aircraft and boat owners do it. Need an address hit me up. I'll
be here for a while <G>...
Steve Roberts - AA-1B N9664L @ ILG
There's definitely an annual use tax levied by apparently all CA counties
but I don't see why you'd be taxed for bringing the plane in if you've had
it for a while. San Mateo County hits me up for about 1% annually.
Question for CA based TG folks: are there annual taxes on your planes in CA?
Can anyone advise if I were to move to CA and bring my Tiger, would I
typically be subject to any type of sales or use tax for moving the plane to
CA. Not that any of this is highly probable, but just curious. Thanks,
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--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "Scott Barboza" <sbarboza@airtecproducts.com>
I'm based in taunton (TAN). Airport is alive and well.
Scott Barboza
N5417L
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From: Dwork, Robert [mailto:Robert.Dwork@Arbella.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 7:13 AM
Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: I love my Tiger (aka fuel costs)
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "Dwork, Robert"
--> <Robert.Dwork@Arbella.com>
Hey Gary-
Not too many years ago, you could land right INTO Taunton. That airport
is gone.
There are about three airports that are about equi-distant from the city
of Taunton. I'd guess that New Bedford is your best bet...it's the
largest, with the most choice in facilities, rental cars, etc. It's
towered and has the tightest security of the other two [Plymouth and
Mansfield, both smaller and uncontrolled], so your Grumman will be safe.
For the last several months, Sandpiper Air has sold avgas at
considerably less than everybody else. Call them for a tie-down if you
want, they're nice people (Mark)....maybe they'd stick you in a corner
of their large hangar.
Drop me a line when you're in town!
Bob
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From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
TeamGrumman@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 3:15 AM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: I love my Tiger (aka fuel costs)
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: TeamGrumman@aol.com
Hi Bob,
My daughter lives in Taunton, MA and I plan to fly out to see her this
summer
after the AYA flyin in Texas. Any suggestions where to land near
Taunton?
Gary
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--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "Dwork, Robert" <Robert.Dwork@Arbella.com>
Excuse me.....that's a rather large and stupid error on my part. It was Fall
River that disappeared, right?
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From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott
Barboza
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 1:16 PM
Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: I love my Tiger (aka fuel costs)
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "Scott Barboza"
<sbarboza@airtecproducts.com>
I'm based in taunton (TAN). Airport is alive and well.
Scott Barboza
N5417L
-----Original Message-----
From: Dwork, Robert [mailto:Robert.Dwork@Arbella.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 7:13 AM
Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: I love my Tiger (aka fuel costs)
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "Dwork, Robert"
--> <Robert.Dwork@Arbella.com>
Hey Gary-
Not too many years ago, you could land right INTO Taunton. That airport
is gone.
There are about three airports that are about equi-distant from the city
of Taunton. I'd guess that New Bedford is your best bet...it's the
largest, with the most choice in facilities, rental cars, etc. It's
towered and has the tightest security of the other two [Plymouth and
Mansfield, both smaller and uncontrolled], so your Grumman will be safe.
For the last several months, Sandpiper Air has sold avgas at
considerably less than everybody else. Call them for a tie-down if you
want, they're nice people (Mark)....maybe they'd stick you in a corner
of their large hangar.
Drop me a line when you're in town!
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
TeamGrumman@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 3:15 AM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: I love my Tiger (aka fuel costs)
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: TeamGrumman@aol.com
Hi Bob,
My daughter lives in Taunton, MA and I plan to fly out to see her this
summer
after the AYA flyin in Texas. Any suggestions where to land near
Taunton?
Gary
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--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Anna3003@aol.com
If your airplane is 30 years old and you show it as an antique on some
regular schedule, you can be forgiven the CA sales tax. Lots of people up in
Schellville show their planes on the first saturday of the month. n74400 aka
Christine will be 30 this year, and I'm considering opening the hangar and
having coffee and cookies one a month-more fun than paying tax--
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--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Gil Alexander <gilalex@earthlink.net>
Shucks... it's 40 years in AZ before you qualify for the $25 fee instead of
the 0.5% yearly tax ... gil A
At 02:04 PM 4/25/2006, you wrote:
>--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Anna3003@aol.com
>
>If your airplane is 30 years old and you show it as an antique on some
>regular schedule, you can be forgiven the CA sales tax. Lots of people up in
>Schellville show their planes on the first saturday of the month.
>n74400 aka
>Christine will be 30 this year, and I'm considering opening the hangar and
>having coffee and cookies one a month-more fun than paying tax--
>
>
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--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "WILLIAM KELLY" <v1rotate@verizon.net>
> He's right and really, for 1% of your aircraft's value annualy, would it
> really be worth the hassle and aggrivation of trying to dodge the system
> let
> alone the risk of penalty when caught?
>
> If there's a clear legal path to avoiding taxation I'll be the first guy
> in
> line but in this case I've yet to hear of a way to beat the system.
You guys might be missing something. I believe in Los Angeles County, if
not in all of California, that once your plane is 30 years old (maybe 35,
not sure) it then qualifies as an antique or classic or some such
designation. At that point you become exempt from the yearly property tax
as long as you display the plane to the public one day a month. That
amounts to leaving your hangar door open for look-i-lu's, or perhaps if it's
parked outside having some sort of a sign saying "this is a Grumman AA...".
I know my plane isn't quite old enough yet, but if I owned a '76 I'd be
calling the county tax assessor to see if I qualify.
Bill Kelly
AA1C 39065 ('78)
Lancaster, CA
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