---------------------------------------------------------- TeamGrumman-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 07/25/06: 3 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:44 AM - Re: back home in Auburn (Bruce Smith) 2. 04:15 PM - Cirrus Killer? (Bruce Smith) 3. 04:36 PM - Re: Cirrus Killer? (Kevin) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:44:13 AM PST US From: Bruce Smith Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: back home in Auburn --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Bruce Smith Matt, If you ever get down to York or Donagal Springs, stop by and say hi! Bruce Matthew Drahzal said the following on 7/24/2006 7:41 PM: > --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "Matthew Drahzal" > > As we came up from Maryland and West Virginia entroute home - around > Gettysburg we dropped down to "sightseeing" level. We crossed Lancaster > county, right over the top of KTHV - over York and the Susquehana - and then > over to N10 - Perkiomen Valley - with a delightful sunset landing to cap off > a long day of flying from Texas. > > I have lived in many places in my life - but flying at Piper Cub speeds and > altitudes over Lancaster County is still one of my favorite activities. > > As an addendum to this - Melissa and I were the Race marshalls for the start > of the air race Gary referenced below. We used GPS timing to time, to the > second, the racers' start time as people passed the departure end wind > sock. The marshalls at the end used GPS timing when the racers crossed the > finish line. It took three of us at the start to keep the relatively simple > stats - one person to validate the plane number - one to get the time, and > one to record the result. Since Melissa is a CPA - she would not allow me > to "adjust" any timing based upon any incentives I might have received...:-) > > Ironically - this just had me thinking about how, back in the day, we built > a large bi-static radar. Since the transmit and receive site were very far > away from each other - we required a time-synch between them. We used the > LORAN signal - corrected for distance from the transmitter - for that > source. > http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/airdef/an-fps-118.htm > > It was fun living up in Maine, building a cool technology radar, and > watching the Russians flying off the coast. > > /drahz > > p.s. At breakfast - Gary sampled Scrapple - even AFTER we told him what was > in it. Very brave man indeed. > > ----- Original Message ----- > Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 1:13 PM > > > --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Bruce Smith > > Gary, > > Where just south of Harrisburg did you land. I fly out of N71 (Donagal > Springs) and KTHV (York Airport). Hey, if you come up this way again, > let me know. Food and drink and boarding are on me. > > Bruce Smith > > TeamGrumman@aol.com said the following on 7/24/2006 12:48 PM: > >> Well, actually, I got back last Wednesday. I have 4 planes waiting >> for annuals; not including mine. >> >> For the flight to Texas, I had the DAR get me an Experimental >> Certificate for Market Survey. He wrote it such that I could go >> anywhere I wanted. And, such that I could take passengers. Cool huh. >> >> Anyway, on Saturday, July 8, after filling my plane, my girlfriend, >> Wendy, and I flew to Napa for breakfast in the wine country. When we >> got back, I finished packing for Texas, we had dessert, Wendy left for >> Sacto (she couldn't go to Texas because she couldn't get the time off >> work) and I left for Van Nuys. Ann Marie and her husband, Mike, live >> there and I planned to fly to Texas with them. We left on Sunday. >> >> First stop was Tucson. Then to Fort Stockton. Then to >> Fredericksburg. Total time, including ground time (we got an airport >> car in Fort Stockton and went for lunch. Lou and his daughter, flying >> in a 2-seater, had just stopped for gas, so they came along too.) was >> 11 hours. Long day. >> >> You probably know all about the fly-in so I won't go into details. >> Suffice it to say, I had a blast. No, I didn't race my plane. Last >> year, they timed to the nearest minute. The time before that when I >> raced my Cheetah, they said I didn't fly down the runway the way I >> should; I was disqualified. I had passed to two slowest Tigers. No, >> when someone learns how to set up timers and create a real race >> (making a 260 turn at the turning point, like the Freddysburg race, is >> ridiculous), I'll race again. It isn't worth running the plane hard >> just to find out they timed to the nearest minute. >> >> I did, however, get to go into town several times with Eileen, Mike >> and Ann Marie, Geoff and Leslie, and just goof off. Lots of fun. >> >> On Friday, Matt and Mellisa (in his plane) and I (in mine) headed for >> Pennsylvania. We stopped in Arkansas and, I think, Kentucky and landed >> in PA, just South of Harrisburg. That night, we went to a pub for >> Philly Cheese Steaks and Margaritas. I spent the night. Matt and Mel >> were great hosts. hang on to Melissa, Matt, she's a keeper. >> >> Saturday morning I woke to overcast skies and low clouds. I had >> planned on flying to Martha's Vineyard to visit my daughter. We >> watched the weather, went to breakfast, watched the weather, and >> watched the weather. When the cloud bases lifted enough to scud run >> out of there, I headed for MV. Once I got to Connecticut, it cleared >> up fine. My daughter and girlfriend, LuAnna, met me at the airport. >> We dropped the girlfriend off and Cindy showed me around the cities on >> the island. We drove to the South end of the island and watched a >> really cool sunset. When we got back to where she (and I) were >> staying, we met up with a whole bunch of her friends to go to town and >> eat, drink, and got bar hopping. It was a lot of fun. She has some >> great friends. Jason and LuAnna were great hosts. >> >> Sunday morning, I took Cindy, her friend Gary, and Jason flying around >> MV. Along the East side of the island, I got us down to 50 to 100 >> feet off the water and about 500 feet from the shore line and put the >> pedal to the metal. There were beach goers out there who will share >> that with their friends and family. At about 155 kts TAS and 50 feet >> MSL, I pulled up into a climb and did a gentle wing over at 1000 >> feet. They loved it. We made one more pass around the island for >> pics, flew out to some adjacent islands, and then back. After topping >> off, I headed west. Next stop, Columbus, OH. It was after 7p local >> when I got there so I spent the night at the Embassy suites. They >> have a deal there, when you fly in, you can stay at the Embassy for >> $89/night. Helluva deal. >> >> On Monday, I flew to Kansas City, KS. I visited a guy I was stationed >> with in Thailand 31 years ago. How did I find him? On Forensic >> Files. No shit. I was working on the computer, head a familiar >> voice, looked up and saw Rob with his name plastered on the screen. >> Thanks to TiVo, I was able to play back the whole show. They gave his >> work place and city. They rest was Google. Rob, met me at the >> airport, then we went for BBQ ribs and beer. It was as though 31 >> years never took place. Things I had forgotten, he remembered, things >> I remembered, he had forgotten. Rob has a great wife, Donna, and 4 >> kids. Two boys and 2 girls. I didn't get to meet the middle >> daughter, but the other kids were there. Rob's a lucky guy. That >> night, we went for .... you guessed it, Thai food. >> >> On Tuesday, I flew to Salt Lake city with a top in Oberlin, KS. You >> can take that city off your destination list. My parents picked me up >> at the airport. We stopped for ice cream at the Iceberg, and then >> headed home. We had an easy night, just chatting and watching TV. >> The next morning, my first wife and her husband stopped by. We all >> had breakfast snacks, drank coffee and chatted. Then I headed for Auburn. >> >> Non-stop to Auburn. I got here about 12:30p. >> >> I haven't figured out the hours, but, I used 395.4 gallons, at an >> average of $4.20/gal, for a total cost of $1654.30. >> >> Now, time to go to work and pay for my vacation. >> >> Oh, yea, Friday and Saturday I took Wendy to Tahoe for a little R&R of >> our own. >> Gary >> > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:15:46 PM PST US From: Bruce Smith Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Cirrus Killer? --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Bruce Smith Well, it finally flew. The Cirrus killer that Cessna has promised the high wing faithful. http://www.cardinalflyers.com/images/xbatch/newcessna/ Part of me wants to go and visit John Rock and show him this, and the other part of me (perhaps the more rational part) is willing to just sigh and wonder what if Grumman had developed the turbo Tiger, or designed a six-place version, sans canopy, of course. In looking at this bird, I see some ungainliness in the design: perhaps an attempt to combine the DNA of the Cardinal and the old Centurion. A little nose heavy. That nose gear looks familiar! Teamsters, your thoughts and observations (I can't wait to hear what Barry has to say about this!)? Bruce, in the wilds of South Central PA ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:36:07 PM PST US From: Kevin Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Cirrus Killer? On 7/25/06, Bruce Smith wrote: > > --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Bruce Smith > > Well, it finally flew. The Cirrus killer that Cessna has promised > the high wing faithful. AVWeb has some real nice pics: http://www.avweb.com/newspics/new_cessna2.jpg