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1. 08:10 AM - Re: Really pissed off customer (Johnson, Greg)
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3. 09:07 PM - Re: Here's one for the experts (jetinc@comcast.net)
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| Subject: | Really pissed off customer |
I often get my annual done the same day I bring it in.
Maybe you should rethink the possible options.
I schedule it 3 months in advance.
I have the wheel pants off.
I have the access covers off.
I have the interior empty and the seats removed.
I have it in the shop at 7:30am and I work with the mechanic to complete
the job in one day.
Sometimes it takes part of the next day - like when we removed the
canopy and replaced the track rails.
I then put all the parts back on in my hangar.
It can be done.
Greg J.
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[mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kevin
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Really pissed off customer
Some people are just completely unreasonable in their expectations.
BTW, do you think you can get my annual done the same day I bring it in?
:)
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Kevin
AA5B
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| Subject: | flying over NYC: poll |
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get out and vote
http://abcnews.go.com/US/popup?id=2557941
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| Subject: | Re: Here's one for the experts |
Hi Gary,
I didn't see this last night when I when I checked e-mails. We've been trying
to fix this since the first time you worked on the plane and before the bird strike...2002
or 2003. I'm certain this isn't related to the bird strike. I'd
love to fix it but don't have any suggestions. Let's keep talking about this
and try a few more things like changing the aileron...I wanna get this sorted
out.
Thanks,
Eddie
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From: teamgrumman@aol.com
> --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: teamgrumman@aol.com
>
> I'm doing an annual on a 79 Tiger with 1800 TTSN.
>
> Background:
> (1) The plane had several bird strikes a few years ago. Wings were
> repaired. From what I can tell, the wings were NOT removed for the
> repair.
> (2) It has electic trim.
> (3) No other damage to the plane.
>
> What I found:
> When I got the plane, I noticed that the electric trim was at or near
> it's left wing DOWN limit. The fixed right aileron trim tab was still
> installed. The right trim tab had been bent for a right wing UP
> condition.
>
> What I did:
> (1) Rigged both the ailerons and flaps to within 1/2 degree balanced
> left to right.
> (2) The aileron cables were tensioned to 30 to 32 lbs.
> (3) The elevator (even though that doesn't affect roll) cables were set
> to 35 lbs tension.
> (4) The bolts on the elevator were crowded out so there was a 1/2 inch
> play between the left and right elevator halves.
> - - holes drilled oversize and larger bolts installed. Both
> elevator halves exactly match the horizontal.
> (5) No damage to the forward horizontal attachments.
> (6) Rudder is centered
> (7) I removed the fixed right aileron trim tab.
>
> Test flight after annual:
> (1) With the electric trim set to neutral, the plane flew with an
> extremely heavy right wing.
> (2) The roll can be corrected with the electric trim set to full left
> DOWN wing.
> (3) The yaw induced required more right rudder than I expected.
> (4) landed
>
> Next Step:
> (1) drained all the fuel from the right wing, filled the left wing to
> the tabs.
> (2) I measured the surfaces of the wings for angle of attack and they
> are pretty even side to side.
> (3) Inspected the entire aircraft to see if I could find ANYTHING that
> would cause a heavy right wing.
> - - - I could find Nothing out of the ordinary.
>
> Test flew the plane:
> (1) The plane still flies with a VERY heavy right wing.
> (2) landed
>
> Next Step:
> (1) Rigged the right flap down 2 degrees to increase lift on right side.
>
> Test flew the plane:
> (1) The plane still flies with heavy right wing.
> (2) landed
>
> Re-installed the fixed right aileron trim tab. I'll fly it again
> tomorrow.
>
> QUESTION: What could make the right wing so heavy?
>
> - - - - The only thing I can difinitively see that is non-original is
> the electric aileron trim.
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<DIV>Hi Gary,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I didn't see this last night when I when I checked e-mails. We've been
trying to fix this since the first time you worked on the plane and before
the bird strike...2002 or 2003. I'm certain this isn't related to the bird
strike. I'd love to fix it but don't have any suggestions. Let's
keep talking about this and try a few more things like changing the aileron...I
wanna get this sorted out.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Thanks,</DIV>
<DIV>Eddie</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px
solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: teamgrumman@aol.com
<BR><BR>> --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: teamgrumman@aol.com
<BR>> <BR>> I'm doing an annual on a 79 Tiger with 1800 TTSN. <BR>>
<BR>> Background: <BR>> (1) The plane had several bird strikes a few
years ago. Wings were <BR>> repaired. From what I can tell, the wings were
NOT removed for the <BR>> repair. <BR>> (2) It has electic trim. <BR>>
(3) No other damage to the plane. <BR>> <BR>> What I found: <BR>>
When I got the plane, I noticed that the electric trim was at or near <BR>>
it's left wing DOWN limit. The fixed right aileron trim tab was still <BR>>
installed. The right trim tab had been bent for a right wing UP <BR>> condition.
<BR>> <BR>> What I did: <BR>> (1) Rigged both the ailerons and
flaps to within 1/2 degree balanced <BR>> left
to rig
ht. <BR>> (2) The aileron cables were tensioned to 30 to 32 lbs. <BR>> (3)
The elevator (even though that doesn't affect roll) cables were set <BR>>
to 35 lbs tension. <BR>> (4) The bolts on the elevator were crowded out so
there was a 1/2 inch <BR>> play between the left and right elevator halves.
<BR>> - - holes drilled oversize and larger bolts installed. Both <BR>>
elevator halves exactly match the horizontal. <BR>> (5) No damage to the
forward horizontal attachments. <BR>> (6) Rudder is centered <BR>> (7) I
removed the fixed right aileron trim tab. <BR>> <BR>> Test flight after
annual: <BR>> (1) With the electric trim set to neutral, the plane flew with
an <BR>> extremely heavy right wing. <BR>> (2) The roll can be corrected
with the electric trim set to full left <BR>> DOWN wing. <BR>> (3) The
yaw induced required more right rudder than I expected. <BR>> (4) landed
<BR>> <BR>> Next Step: <BR>> (1) drained al
l the
fuel from the right wing, filled the left wing to <BR>> the tabs. <BR>> (2)
I measured the surfaces of the wings for angle of attack and they <BR>>
are pretty even side to side. <BR>> (3) Inspected the entire aircraft to see
if I could find ANYTHING that <BR>> would cause a heavy right wing. <BR>>
- - - I could find Nothing out of the ordinary. <BR>> <BR>> Test flew
the plane: <BR>> (1) The plane still flies with a VERY heavy right wing.
<BR>> (2) landed <BR>> <BR>> Next Step: <BR>> (1) Rigged the right
flap down 2 degrees to increase lift on right side. <BR>> <BR>> Test flew
the plane: <BR>> (1) The plane still flies with heavy right wing. <BR>>
(2) landed <BR>> <BR>> Re-installed the fixed right aileron trim tab.
I'll fly it again <BR>> tomorrow. <BR>> <BR>> QUESTION: What could make
the right wing so heavy? <BR>> <BR>> - - - - The only thing I can difinitively
see that is non-original is <BR>> the e
lectri
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