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     1. 02:07 PM - Finally, an annual under $900. (teamgrumman@aol.com)
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    Time: 02:07:31 PM PST US
    Subject: Finally, an annual under $900.
    From: teamgrumman@aol.com
    I've been doing owner assisted annuals on this particular plane for 5 years now. Each year, as the major stuff gets sorted out, the annuals have gotten cheaper. Last year it was under $1200. The year before was under $1800. This year's annual would have been about $400 cheaper had a lot of little repairs to things been required. Next year, who knows. As some of you know, those who have seen my 16 page annual check list, I keep a pretty good record of what has been done and what needs to be watched. By doing annuals on the same plane year-after-year, the plane gets to the point of being "maintained" and there really is very little to do. Since I moved to Auburn, I've had mostly new customers. I've seen a lot of really junky planes (and, that's saying it nicely). One plane was a 75 Tiger and had completely debonded over it's life time. There were no bonded joints left. It was wrecked 15 months ago and put back together. And, not just put back together. It had an additional $30,000 thown at it . . . why? I think you heard about the $10,000 annual with the birds nests in the wings, broken aileron brackets, rudder cables twisted around the aileron cables, . . . the list goes on. IF . . . that plane comes back, I'd be surprised if the annual is over $1500. I had another annual, just prior to that one, on a Tiger from the East coast that had had $500 annauls for the previous 10 years. It was really rough. That annual, with a new prop (the McCauley was not serviceable), was around $8500. "TOO MUCH" the owner cried (maybe I should write a novel . . . ) so, this past November, it got another $500 annual from somewhere. (Actually, there is a good chance the annual was done by the same folks who twisted the rudder cables around the aileron cables on the other plane) So, it can be done. Do you want cheap annuals? (1) Do an owner assisted annual (2) Keep up on all the little things you don't want to spend money on now; you'll pay for it sooner or later. Later costs more. (3) Keep a very detailed log of everything you do to the plane. And, not on scraps of paper thrown in a box. (4) Keep a record of when each and every replaceable item is replaced; including part numbers and serial numbers. (5) Know your plane. Like the plane I get every year that the owner complains of leaking fuel. Each year, I tell the owner it's streaks of Corrosion X on the bottom of the plane and if he'd wash the plane, it wouldn't be there. (6) Wash your plane and wax your plane once in a while. Like, you know, at least every 5 years! (7) Vacuum the plane. Every year I get the same plane that is just filthy. Fast food trash, dog hair, money (coins, I keep the tips), and lots of just mud, dirt, and sand. I charge $80/hr to vacuum your plane. (I also charge $80/hr to wipe the grease off the bottom so I don't get covered in it during the annual) (8) Look for cracks and missing hardware. (9) well, --- There . . . that should get you started. Oh, by the way, the paperwork on the plane with the November annual? It consisted of a box of scraps of paper with notes scribbled on them. It took me 6 hours to sort though the bullshit. That was 6 hours I "didn't" charge for. ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.


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    Time: 08:55:53 PM PST US
    Subject: Finally, an annual under $900
    From: teamgrumman@aol.com
    I've been doing owner assisted annuals on this particular plane for 5 years now. Each year, as the major stuff gets sorted out, the annuals have gotten cheaper. Last year it was under $1200. The year before was under $1800. This year's annual would have been about $400 cheaper had a lot of little repairs to things been required. Next year, who knows. As some of you know, those who have seen my 16 page annual check list, I keep a pretty good record of what has been done and what needs to be watched. By doing annuals on the same plane year-after-year, the plane gets to the point of being "maintained" and there really is very little to do. Since I moved to Auburn, I've had mostly new customers. I've seen a lot of really junky planes (and, that's saying it nicely). One plane was a 75 Tiger and had completely debonded over it's life time. There were no bonded joints left. It was wrecked 15 months ago and put back together. And, not just put back together. It had an additional $30,000 thown at it . . . why? I think you heard about the $10,000 annual with the birds nests in the wings, broken aileron brackets, rudder cables twisted around the aileron cables, . . . the list goes on. IF . . . that plane comes back, I'd be surprised if the annual is over $1500. I had another annual, just prior to that one, on a Tiger from the East coast that had had $500 annauls for the previous 10 years. It was really rough. That annual, with a new prop (the McCauley was not serviceable), was around $8500. "TOO MUCH" the owner cried (maybe I should write a novel . . . ) so, this past November, it got another $500 annual from somewhere. (Actually, there is a good chance the annual was done by the same folks who twisted the rudder cables around the aileron cables on the other plane) So, it can be done. Do you want cheap annuals? (1) Do an owner assisted annual (2) Keep up on all the little things you don't want to spend money on now; you'll pay for it sooner or later. Later costs more. (3) Keep a very detailed log of everything you do to the plane. And, not on scraps of paper thrown in a box. (4) Keep a record of when each and every replaceable item is replaced; including part numbers and serial numbers. (5) Know your plane. Like the plane I get every year that the owner complains of leaking fuel. Each year, I tell the owner it's streaks of Corrosion X on the bottom of the plane and if he'd wash the plane, it wouldn't be there. (6) Wash your plane and wax your plane once in a while. Like, you know, at least every 5 years! (7) Vacuum the plane. Every year I get the same plane that is just filthy. Fast food trash, dog hair, money (coins, I keep the tips), and lots of just mud, dirt, and sand. I charge $80/hr to vacuum your plane. (I also charge $80/hr to wipe the grease off the bottom so I don't get covered in it during the annual) (8) Look for cracks and missing hardware. (9) well, --- There . . . that should get you started. Oh, by the way, the paperwork on the plane with the November annual? It consisted of a box of scraps of paper with notes scribbled on them. It took me 6 hours to sort though the scraps. That was 6 hours I "didn't" charge for. ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.




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