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| Subject: | Re: CE-04-34, Horizontal support |
Gil, I have a Tiger in the shop right now with a crack from the attachment
bolt hole to the edge of the angle on the RH side. The bonding of the othe
r leg is fine and there is virtually not deformation of the angle.
Do you have some photos of your plane and the repair you could email me=3F
Cliff
----- Original Message -----
From: Gil Alexander
To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 11:06 PM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: CE-04-34, Horizontal support
Gary,
When I did it, I seem to remember it chipped off fairly easily...
Of course, use an aluminum scraping edge so the base material isn't gouge
d.
And a final clean up with scotchbrite disk.
gil in Tucson ... did that....
At 10:12 PM 4/4/2007, you wrote:
This is mostly meant for Bob Stewart only because I think he's done thi
s before. And Cliff too, if he's repaired this one.
I've got the braces off. They came off fairly easily with a heat gun.
Didn't require a whole lot of heat actually. What I need to know is .
. . . .
How do I get the rest of the adheasive off the skin of the fuselage=3F
Do I sand it off with an orbital sander=3F Do I reheat it and scrape it=3F
I tried picking at it a bit to see if it will come off. It's stuck prett
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| Subject: | Re: CE-04-34, Horizontal support |
Boy ... the SAIB is old enough I thought they would have all been found by
now...:^)
No photos of the repair, but the damage is here...
Check the little bend of the verticals that goes under the top plate...
that seems to be a real weak point... upper left and upper right in the pics.
I have a couple of drill bushings and a reamer that will help you drill the
new bolt hole in the vertical webs... want to borrow them? I think that is
the most critical part of the process.... fore and aft location can be
fixed with shims with a Tiger part number... I have those drawings too, JPG
copy attached...
Pics are in this directory....
http://home.earthlink.net/~gilalex/Tiger/
....hope this helps gil A ... waiting for cylinders to arrive at Bill
Scott's place...:^)
At 07:10 AM 4/5/2007, you wrote:
>Gil, I have a Tiger in the shop right now with a crack from the attachment
>bolt hole to the edge of the angle on the RH side. The bonding of the
>other leg is fine and there is virtually not deformation of the angle.
>
>Do you have some photos of your plane and the repair you could email me?
>
>Cliff
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:gilalex@earthlink.net>Gil Alexander
>To: <mailto:teamgrumman-list@matronics.com>teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
>Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 11:06 PM
>Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: CE-04-34, Horizontal support
>
>Gary,
>
>When I did it, I seem to remember it chipped off fairly easily...
>
>Of course, use an aluminum scraping edge so the base material isn't gouged.
>
>And a final clean up with scotchbrite disk.
>
>gil in Tucson ... did that....
>
>At 10:12 PM 4/4/2007, you wrote:
>><mailto:teamgrumman@aol.com>teamgrumman@aol.com
>>
>>This is mostly meant for Bob Stewart only because I think he's done this
>>before. And Cliff too, if he's repaired this one.
>>
>>I've got the braces off. They came off fairly easily with a heat gun.
>>Didn't require a whole lot of heat actually. What I need to know is . .
>>. . .
>>
>>How do I get the rest of the adheasive off the skin of the fuselage?
>>Do I sand it off with an orbital sander? Do I reheat it and scrape
>>it? I tried picking at it a bit to see if it will come off. It's stuck
>>pretty well.
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| Subject: | Re: CE-04-34, Horizontal support |
The one I've got has the vertical braces buckled about twice as much as
yours. So, how did you clean up the residual adheasive?
I have a customer who got some cylinders done by BS. Two of them
always used a lot of oil. We removed them and had LyCon go over them.
When BS overhauled them, they were honed out-of-round. Lycon recut the
cylinder (it only took less than .002) and installed some new rings.
All is well now after 400 hours. Just a heads up.
-----Original Message-----
From: gilalex@earthlink.net
Sent: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 8:23 AM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: CE-04-34, Horizontal support
Boy ... the SAIB is old enough I thought they would have all been
found by now...:^)
No photos of the repair, but the damage is here...
Check the little bend of the verticals that goes under the top
plate... that seems to be a real weak point... upper left and upper
right in the pics.
I have a couple of drill bushings and a reamer that will help you
drill the new bolt hole in the vertical webs... want to borrow them? I
think that is the most critical part of the process.... fore and aft
location can be fixed with shims with a Tiger part number... I have
those drawings too, JPG copy attached...
Pics are in this directory....
http://home.earthlink.net/~gilalex/Tiger/
....hope this helps gil A ... waiting for cylinders to arrive at
Bill Scott's place...:^)
At 07:10 AM 4/5/2007, you wrote:
Gil, I have a Tiger in the shop right now with a crack from the
attachment bolt hole to the edge of the angle on the RH side. The
bonding of the other leg is fine and there is virtually not deformation
of the angle.
Do you have some photos of your plane and the repair you could email
me?
Cliff
----- Original Message -----
From: Gil Alexander
To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 11:06 PM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: CE-04-34, Horizontal support
Gary,
When I did it, I seem to remember it chipped off fairly easily...
Of course, use an aluminum scraping edge so the base material isn't
gouged.
And a final clean up with scotchbrite disk.
gil in Tucson ... did that....
At 10:12 PM 4/4/2007, you wrote:
This is mostly meant for Bob Stewart only because I think he's done
this before. And Cliff too, if he's repaired this one.
I've got the braces off. They came off fairly easily with a heat
gun.
Didn't require a whole lot of heat actually. What I need to know is .
. . . .
How do I get the rest of the adheasive off the skin of the fuselage?
Do I sand it off with an orbital sander? Do I reheat it and scrape
it? I tried picking at it a bit to see if it will come off. It's
stuck pretty well.
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| Subject: | Re: CE-04-34, Horizontal support |
I'll ask Bill S for round cylinders...
The removal is below.... the adhesive was quite brittle....
------------------------------------
When I did it, I seem to remember it chipped off fairly easily...
Of course, use an aluminum scraping edge so the base material isn't
gouged.
And a final clean up with scotchbrite disk.
gil in Tucson ... did that....
At 11:16 AM 4/5/2007, you wrote:
>
>The one I've got has the vertical braces buckled about twice as much as
>yours. So, how did you clean up the residual adheasive?
>
>I have a customer who got some cylinders done by BS. Two of them always
>used a lot of oil. We removed them and had LyCon go over them.
>When BS overhauled them, they were honed out-of-round. Lycon recut the
>cylinder (it only took less than .002) and installed some new rings.
>All is well now after 400 hours. Just a heads up.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: gilalex@earthlink.net
>To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
>Sent: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 8:23 AM
>Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: CE-04-34, Horizontal support
>
> Boy ... the SAIB is old enough I thought they would have all been
> found by now...:^)
>
>No photos of the repair, but the damage is here...
>
> Check the little bend of the verticals that goes under the top plate...
> that seems to be a real weak point... upper left and upper right in the
pics.
>
> I have a couple of drill bushings and a reamer that will help you drill
> the new bolt hole in the vertical webs... want to borrow them?=C2 I think
> that is the most critical part of the process.... fore and aft location
> can be fixed with shims with a Tiger part number... I have those drawings
> too, JPG copy attached...
>
>Pics are in this directory....
>
>http://home.earthlink.net/~gilalex/Tiger/
>
> ....hope this helps=C2 =C2 =C2 gil A ... waiting for cylinders to arrive
at
> Bill Scott's place...:^)
>
>At 07:10 AM 4/5/2007, you wrote:
> Gil, I have a Tiger in the shop right now with a crack from the
> attachment bolt hole to the edge of the angle on the RH side.=C2 The
> bonding of the other leg is fine and there is virtually not deformation
> of the angle.
>=C2
> Do you have some photos of your plane and the repair you could email me?
>=C2
>Cliff
> ----- Original Message -----
>From: Gil Alexander
>To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
>Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 11:06 PM
>Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: CE-04-34, Horizontal support
>
>Gary,
>
>When I did it, I seem to remember it chipped off fairly easily...
>
> Of course, use an aluminum scraping edge so the base material isn't
gouged.
>
>And a final clean up with scotchbrite disk.
>
>gil in Tucson ... did that....
>
>At 10:12 PM 4/4/2007, you wrote:
>
> This is mostly meant for Bob Stewart only because I think he's done this
> before.=C2 And Cliff too, if he's repaired this one.
>
> I've got the braces off.=C2 They came off fairly easily with a heat
gun.=C2
> Didn't require a whole lot of heat actually.=C2 What I need to know is .
> . . . .
>
>How do I get the rest of the adheasive off the skin of the fuselage?=C2
> Do I sand it off with an orbital sander?=C2 Do I reheat it and scrape
> it?=C2 I tried picking at it a bit to see if it will come off.=C2 It's
> stuck pretty well.
>
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| Subject: | Re: CE-04-34, Horizontal support |
I tried scraping it with several different types of scrapers, even an
exacto. I finally used an duel action orbital sander. I never did get
any to chip off. It took about two hours to sand down all of the rough
edges. That includes all the hand work in the corners. Looks pretty
good now.
As for drilling and shimming to make the stub spar fit the vertical
braces, I plan on clamping the vertical braces in place with the
horizontal and stub spar installed before I drill any holes. That way,
the braces will be tight against the stub spar.
-----Original Message-----
From: gilalex@earthlink.net
Sent: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: CE-04-34, Horizontal support
I'll ask Bill S for round cylinders...
The removal is below.... the adhesive was quite brittle....
------------------------------------
When I did it, I seem to remember it chipped off fairly easily...
Of course, use an aluminum scraping edge so the base material isn't
gouged.
And a final clean up with scotchbrite disk.
gil in Tucson ... did that....
At 11:16 AM 4/5/2007, you wrote:
The one I've got has the vertical braces buckled about twice as much
as yours. So, how did you clean up the residual adheasive?
I have a customer who got some cylinders done by BS. Two of them
always used a lot of oil. We removed them and had LyCon go over them.
When BS overhauled them, they were honed out-of-round. Lycon recut
the cylinder (it only took less than .002) and installed some new
rings.
All is well now after 400 hours. Just a heads up.
-----Original Message-----
From: gilalex@earthlink.net
To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 8:23 AM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: CE-04-34, Horizontal support
Boy ... the SAIB is old enough I thought they would have all been
found by now...:^)
No photos of the repair, but the damage is here...
Check the little bend of the verticals that goes under the top
plate... that seems to be a real weak point... upper left and upper
right in the pics.
I have a couple of drill bushings and a reamer that will help you
drill the new bolt hole in the vertical webs... want to borrow them?
I think that is the most critical part of the process.... fore and aft
location can be fixed with shims with a Tiger part number... I have
those drawings too, JPG copy attached...
Pics are in this directory....
http://home.earthlink.net/~gilalex/Tiger/
....hope this helps gil A ... waiting for cylinders to arrive
at Bill Scott's place...:^)
At 07:10 AM 4/5/2007, you wrote:
Gil, I have a Tiger in the shop right now with a crack from the
attachment bolt hole to the edge of the angle on the RH side. The
bonding of the other leg is fine and there is virtually not deformation
of the angle.
Do you have some photos of your plane and the repair you could email
me?
Cliff
----- Original Message -----
From: Gil Alexander
To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 11:06 PM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: CE-04-34, Horizontal support
Gary,
When I did it, I seem to remember it chipped off fairly easily...
Of course, use an aluminum scraping edge so the base material isn't
gouged.
And a final clean up with scotchbrite disk.
gil in Tucson ... did that....
At 10:12 PM 4/4/2007, you wrote:
This is mostly meant for Bob Stewart only because I think he's done
this before. And Cliff too, if he's repaired this one.
I've got the braces off. They came off fairly easily with a heat
gun.
Didn't require a whole lot of heat actually. What I need to know is
. . . . .
How do I get the rest of the adheasive off the skin of the fuselage?
Do I sand it off with an orbital sander? Do I reheat it and scrape
it? I tried picking at it a bit to see if it will come off. It's
stuck pretty well.
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| Subject: | Re: CE-04-34, Horizontal support |
At 08:14 PM 4/5/2007, you wrote:
>
>I tried scraping it with several different types of scrapers, even an
>exacto. I finally used an duel action orbital sander. I never did get
>any to chip off. It took about two hours to sand down all of the rough
>edges. That includes all the hand work in the corners. Looks pretty good
now.
Hope you didn't take too much of the 0.025 off...:^) - or is 0.032 there?
>As for drilling and shimming to make the stub spar fit the vertical
>braces, I plan on clamping the vertical braces in place with the
>horizontal and stub spar installed before I drill any holes. That way,
>the braces will be tight against the stub spar.
Yes.. but it's hard to hold the verticals in alignment while the glue
dries... at least to the accuracy to not have anything under stress in the
final assembly.
Once the verticals are bonded and riveted, then it's easy to use C-clamps
and get levels on the horizontal for alignment... as well as tip
measurements to the fus. centerline to get no sweep forward/sweep back....
My plane had shims on one side - I think the fus. side - already...
Do you want the drill guide and reamer for the two big holes?
That seemed to be the hardest part to me - I bet most folks would just use
a big drill bit and screw up the existing hole in the stub spar...:^(
I like all my bolts to be a nice slip fit if possible...:^)
gil A
>-----Original Message-----
>From: gilalex@earthlink.net
>To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
>Sent: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 12:43 PM
>Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: CE-04-34, Horizontal support
>
> I'll ask Bill S for round cylinders...
>
>The removal is below.... the adhesive was quite brittle....
>
>------------------------------------
>
>When I did it, I seem to remember it chipped off fairly easily...
>
> =C2 Of course, use an aluminum scraping edge so the base material isn't
> gouged.
>
>And a final clean up with scotchbrite disk.
>
>gil in Tucson ... did that....
>
>
>At 11:16 AM 4/5/2007, you wrote:
>
> The one I've got has the vertical braces buckled about twice as much as
> yours.=C2 So, how did you clean up the residual adheasive?
>
> I have a customer who got some cylinders done by BS.=C2 Two of them
> always used a lot of oil.=C2 We removed them and had LyCon go over them.
=C2
> When BS overhauled them, they were honed out-of-round.=C2 Lycon recut
the
> cylinder (it only took less than .002) and installed some new rings.=C2
>All is well now after 400 hours.=C2 Just a heads up.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: gilalex@earthlink.net
>To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
>Sent: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 8:23 AM
>Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: CE-04-34, Horizontal support
>
> =C2 =C2 =C2 Boy ... the SAIB is old enough I thought they would have all
been
> found by now...:^)
>
>No photos of the repair, but the damage is here...
>
> =C2 Check the little bend of the verticals that goes under the top
> plate... that seems to be a real weak point... upper left and upper right
> in the pics.
>
> =C2 I have a couple of drill bushings and a reamer that will help you
> drill the new bolt hole in the vertical webs... want to borrow
> them?=C3=82=C2 I think that is the most critical part of the process....
fore
> and aft location can be fixed with shims with a Tiger part number... I
> have those drawings too, JPG copy attached...
>
>Pics are in this directory....
>
>http://home.earthlink.net/~gilalex/Tiger/
>
> =C2 ....hope this helps=C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82=C2 gil A ... waiting for
cylinders to
> arrive at Bill Scott's place...:^)
>
>At 07:10 AM 4/5/2007, you wrote:
> =C2 Gil, I have a Tiger in the shop right now with a crack from the
> attachment bolt hole to the edge of the angle on the RH side.=C3=82=C2
The
> bonding of the other leg is fine and there is virtually not deformation
> of the angle.
>=C3=82
> =C2 Do you have some photos of your plane and the repair you could email
me?
>=C3=82
>Cliff
>=C2 ----- Original Message -----
>From: Gil Alexander
>To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
>Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 11:06 PM
>Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: CE-04-34, Horizontal support
>
>Gary,
>
>When I did it, I seem to remember it chipped off fairly easily...
>
> =C2 Of course, use an aluminum scraping edge so the base material isn't
> gouged.
>
>And a final clean up with scotchbrite disk.
>
>gil in Tucson ... did that....
>
>At 10:12 PM 4/4/2007, you wrote:
>
> =C2 This is mostly meant for Bob Stewart only because I think he's done
> this before.=C3=82=C2 And Cliff too, if he's repaired this one.
>
> =C2 I've got the braces off.=C3=82=C2 They came off fairly easily with a
heat
> gun.=C3=82
> =C2 Didn't require a whole lot of heat actually.=C3=82=C2 What I need to
know
> is . . . . .
>
>How do I get the rest of the adheasive off the skin of the fuselage?=C3=82
> =C2 Do I sand it off with an orbital sander?=C3=82=C2 Do I reheat it and
scrape
> it?=C3=82=C2 I tried picking at it a bit to see if it will come off.=C3
=82=C2 It's
> stuck pretty well.
>=C2
>
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| Subject: | Re: CE-04-34, Horizontal support |
Thanks for the update Gil. I'd love to borrow the drill guides and
reamers. I'm having some special braces made and I'm not sure when
I'll have them. Plus, there is a lot of other work I'm doing on the
plane.
But, yes, if you don't mind, I'd love to borrow the drill and ream.
Thanks
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: gilalex@earthlink.net
Sent: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 9:02 PM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: CE-04-34, Horizontal support
At 08:14 PM 4/5/2007, you wrote:
I tried scraping it with several different types of scrapers, even an
exacto. I finally used an duel action orbital sander. I never did get
any to chip off. It took about two hours to sand down all of the rough
edges. That includes all the hand work in the corners. Looks pretty
good now.
Hope you didn't take too much of the 0.025 off...:^) - or is 0.032
there?
As for drilling and shimming to make the stub spar fit the vertical
braces, I plan on clamping the vertical braces in place with the
horizontal and stub spar installed before I drill any holes. That way,
the braces will be tight against the stub spar.
Yes.. but it's hard to hold the verticals in alignment while the glue
dries... at least to the accuracy to not have anything under stress in
the final assembly.
Once the verticals are bonded and riveted, then it's easy to use
C-clamps and get levels on the horizontal for alignment... as well as
tip measurements to the fus. centerline to get no sweep forward/sweep
back....
My plane had shims on one side - I think the fus. side - already...
Do you want the drill guide and reamer for the two big holes?
That seemed to be the hardest part to me - I bet most folks would just
use a big drill bit and screw up the existing hole in the stub
spar...:^(
I like all my bolts to be a nice slip fit if possible...:^)
gil A
-----Original Message-----
From: gilalex@earthlink.net
To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: CE-04-34, Horizontal support
I'll ask Bill S for round cylinders...
The removal is below.... the adhesive was quite brittle....
------------------------------------
When I did it, I seem to remember it chipped off fairly easily...
Of course, use an aluminum scraping edge so the base material isn't
gouged.
And a final clean up with scotchbrite disk.
gil in Tucson ... did that....
At 11:16 AM 4/5/2007, you wrote:
The one I've got has the vertical braces buckled about twice as much
as yours. So, how did you clean up the residual adheasive?
I have a customer who got some cylinders done by BS. Two of them
always used a lot of oil. We removed them and had LyCon go over
them.
When BS overhauled them, they were honed out-of-round. Lycon recut
the cylinder (it only took less than .002) and installed some new
rings.
All is well now after 400 hours. Just a heads up.
-----Original Message-----
From: gilalex@earthlink.net
To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 8:23 AM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: CE-04-34, Horizontal support
Boy ... the SAIB is old enough I thought they would have all
been found by now...:^)
No photos of the repair, but the damage is here...
Check the little bend of the verticals that goes under the top
plate... that seems to be a real weak point... upper left and upper
right in the pics.
I have a couple of drill bushings and a reamer that will help you
drill the new bolt hole in the vertical webs... want to borrow
them? I think that is the most critical part of the process....
fore and aft location can be fixed with shims with a Tiger part
number... I have those drawings too, JPG copy attached...
Pics are in this directory....
http://home.earthlink.net/~gilalex/Tiger/
....hope this helps gil A ... waiting for cylinders to
arrive at Bill Scott's place...:^)
At 07:10 AM 4/5/2007, you wrote:
Gil, I have a Tiger in the shop right now with a crack from the
attachment bolt hole to the edge of the angle on the RH side. The
bonding of the other leg is fine and there is virtually not deformation
of the angle.
Do you have some photos of your plane and the repair you could
email me?
Cliff
----- Original Message -----
From: Gil Alexander
To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 11:06 PM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: CE-04-34, Horizontal support
Gary,
When I did it, I seem to remember it chipped off fairly easily...
Of course, use an aluminum scraping edge so the base material isn't
gouged.
And a final clean up with scotchbrite disk.
gil in Tucson ... did that....
At 10:12 PM 4/4/2007, you wrote:
This is mostly meant for Bob Stewart only because I think he's done
this before. And Cliff too, if he's repaired this one.
I've got the braces off. They came off fairly easily with a
heat gun.
Didn't require a whole lot of heat actually. What I need to
know is . . . . .
How do I get the rest of the adheasive off the skin of the fuselage?
Do I sand it off with an orbital sander? Do I reheat it and
scrape it? I tried picking at it a bit to see if it will come
off. It's stuck pretty well.
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Gary ....I'll dig 'em out and mail them..... gil A
At 11:32 PM 4/5/2007, you wrote:
>
>Thanks for the update Gil. I'd love to borrow the drill guides and
>reamers. I'm having some special braces made and I'm not sure when I'll
>have them. Plus, there is a lot of other work I'm doing on the plane.
>
>But, yes, if you don't mind, I'd love to borrow the drill and ream.
>Thanks
>Gary
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: gilalex@earthlink.net
>To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
>Sent: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 9:02 PM
>Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: CE-04-34, Horizontal support
>
> At 08:14 PM 4/5/2007, you wrote:
>
> I tried scraping it with several different types of scrapers, even an
> exacto.=C2 I finally used an duel action orbital sander.=C2 I never did
get
> any to chip off.=C2 It took about two hours to sand down all of the rough
> edges.=C2 That includes all the hand work in the corners.=C2 Looks
pretty
> good now.
> Hope you didn't take too much of the 0.025 off...:^) - or is 0.032 there?
>
>
> As for drilling and shimming to make the stub spar fit the vertical
> braces, I plan on clamping the vertical braces in place with the
> horizontal and stub spar installed before I drill any holes.=C2 That way,
> the braces will be tight against the stub spar.
> Yes.. but it's hard to hold the verticals in alignment while the glue
> dries... at least to the accuracy to not have anything under stress in
> the final assembly.=C2
>
> Once the verticals are bonded and riveted, then it's easy to use
> C-clamps and get levels on the horizontal for alignment... as well as tip
> measurements to the fus. centerline to get no sweep forward/sweep back....
>
>My plane had shims on one side - I think the fus. side - already...
>
>Do you want the drill guide and reamer for the two big holes?=C2 =C2
> That seemed to be the hardest part to me - I bet most folks would just
> use a big drill bit and screw up the existing hole in the stub spar...:^(
=C2
>I like all my bolts to be a nice slip fit if possible...:^)
>
>gil A
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: gilalex@earthlink.net
>To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
>Sent: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 12:43 PM
>Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: CE-04-34, Horizontal support
>
>=C2 =C2 I'll ask Bill S for round cylinders...
>
>The removal is below.... the adhesive was quite brittle....
>
>------------------------------------
>
>When I did it, I seem to remember it chipped off fairly easily...
>
> =C2 =C3=82 Of course, use an aluminum scraping edge so the base material
isn't
> gouged.
>
>And a final clean up with scotchbrite disk.
>
>gil in Tucson ... did that....
>
>
>At 11:16 AM 4/5/2007, you wrote:
>
> =C2 The one I've got has the vertical braces buckled about twice as much
> as yours.=C3=82=C2 So, how did you clean up the residual adheasive?
>
> =C2 I have a customer who got some cylinders done by BS.=C3=82=C2 Two of
them
> always used a lot of oil.=C3=82=C2 We removed them and had LyCon go over
them.=C3=82
> =C2 When BS overhauled them, they were honed out-of-round.=C3=82=C2
Lycon recut
> the cylinder (it only took less than .002) and installed some new rings.
=C3=82
>All is well now after 400 hours.=C3=82=C2 Just a heads up.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: gilalex@earthlink.net
>To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
>Sent: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 8:23 AM
>Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: CE-04-34, Horizontal support
>
> =C2 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82=C2 Boy ... the SAIB is old enough I thought
they would have
> all been found by now...:^)
>
>No photos of the repair, but the damage is here...
>
> =C2 =C3=82 Check the little bend of the verticals that goes under the top
> plate... that seems to be a real weak point... upper left and upper right
> in the pics.
>
> =C2 =C3=82 I have a couple of drill bushings and a reamer that will help
you
> drill the new bolt hole in the vertical webs... want to borrow
> them?=C3=83=82=C3=82=C2 I think that is the most critical part of the
process....
> fore and aft location can be fixed with shims with a Tiger part number...
> I have those drawings too, JPG copy attached...
>
>Pics are in this directory....
>
>http://home.earthlink.net/~gilalex/Tiger/
>
> =C2 =C3=82 ....hope this helps=C3=83=82 =C3=83=82 =C3=83=82=C3=82=C2 gil
A ... waiting for cylinders
> to to arrive at Bill Scott's place...:^)
>
>At 07:10 AM 4/5/2007, you wrote:
> =C2 =C3=82 Gil, I have a Tiger in the shop right now with a crack from
the
> attachment bolt hole to the edge of the angle on the RH side.=C3=83=82=C3
=82=C2 The
> bonding of the other leg is fine and there is virtually not deformation
> of the angle.
>=C3=83=82
> =C2 =C3=82 Do you have some photos of your plane and the repair you
could
> email me?
>=C3=83=82
>Cliff
>=C3=82 ----- Original Message -----
>From: Gil Alexander
>To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
>Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 11:06 PM
>Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: CE-04-34, Horizontal support
>
>Gary,
>
>When I did it, I seem to remember it chipped off fairly easily...
>
> =C2 =C3=82 Of course, use an aluminum scraping edge so the base material
isn't
> gouged.
>
>And a final clean up with scotchbrite disk.
>
>gil in Tucson ... did that....
>
>At 10:12 PM 4/4/2007, you wrote:
>
> =C2 =C3=82 This is mostly meant for Bob Stewart only because I think he's
done
> this before.=C3=83=82=C3=82=C2 And Cliff too, if he's repaired this one.
> =C2 =C3=82 I've got the braces off.=C3=83=82=C3=82=C2 They came off
fairly easily with a
> heat gun.=C3=83=82
> =C2 =C3=82 Didn't require a whole lot of heat actually.=C3=83=82=C3=82
=C2 What I need to
> know is . . . . .
>
>How do I get the rest of the adheasive off the skin of the fuselage?=C3=83
=82
> =C2 =C3=82 Do I sand it off with an orbital sander?=C3=83=82=C3=82=C2
Do I reheat it and
> scrape it?=C3=83=82=C3=82=C2 I tried picking at it a bit to see if it
will come
> off.=C3=83=82=C3=82=C2 It's stuck pretty well.
>=C3=82
>=C2
>
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