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1. 02:23 AM - 4371 magneto (Mark Thomas Mueller)
2. 09:43 AM - Quality Control - Lawsuit? (923te)
3. 12:14 PM - Re: 4371 magneto (teamgrumman@aol.com)
4. 12:14 PM - Aileron AMOC (Scott Boyce)
5. 12:19 PM - Horizontal Support Braces (teamgrumman@aol.com)
6. 12:32 PM - Re: Horizontal Support Braces (flyv35b)
7. 12:37 PM - Re: Horizontal Support Braces (923te)
8. 12:41 PM - Fw: Quality Control - Lawsuit? (923te)
9. 12:48 PM - Re: Aileron AMOC (Andy Thomas)
10. 12:59 PM - Corvairs (923te)
11. 01:02 PM - Re: Lawsuit (923te)
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"About a month ago I got a new 4371 to install on a customers plane.
When I installed the nut, it locked up the whole impulse coupling mechanism.
I took some measurements on the new one and compared it to the old one. It
had been manufactured wrong... Gee, they found out that pretty much all of
the mags made since GE took over have been manufactured wrong."
I hate today's litigious society, but when I see GE totally screw up Unison
with this kind of stuff, I secretly hope someone sues GE till it hurts their
profit margin. Funny how the lawsuits will kill the small guys, but the big
guys can still pull this kind of crap on GA...
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| Subject: | Quality Control - Lawsuit? |
Why jump to a lawsuit when an FAA procedure exists?
GA is already in trouble and loosing it's vendors, cf:
Parker Hannifin's was sued over it's vacuum pumps. Incedibly they were
faulted with the crash of an airplane by a less than knowledgeable jury.
Parker Hannifin no longer makes GA vacuum pumps and have pulled other
parts from the market as well.
Remember when Piper and Cessna quit GA bexause of frivelous lawsuits?
Way before pulling the lawsuit trigger why not pull the trigger on the
FAA's own method for enforcing compliance? Keep the attorneys out of it
if at all possible.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Thomas Mueller" <mark.t.mueller@comcast.net>
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 4:22 AM
Subject: TeamGrumman-List: 4371 magneto
<mark.t.mueller@comcast.net>
"About a month ago I got a new 4371 to install on a customers plane.
When I installed the nut, it locked up the whole impulse coupling
mechanism.
I took some measurements on the new one and compared it to the old one.
It
had been manufactured wrong... Gee, they found out that pretty much all
of
the mags made since GE took over have been manufactured wrong."
I hate today's litigious society, but when I see GE totally screw up
Unison
with this kind of stuff, I secretly hope someone sues GE till it hurts
their
profit margin. Funny how the lawsuits will kill the small guys, but the
big
guys can still pull this kind of crap on GA...
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| Subject: | Re: 4371 magneto |
You're not serious are you? Who in the hell would benefit from GE
getting sued over screwing up a few mags? For christ's sake, do you
really want to shut down an entire lifestyle for anyone connected to
general aviation? Is this the way you solve all of your concerns with
manufacturing defects? or anything else any time you're not happy with
something? Don't you think it would be just a little bit more
constructive to return the bad ones and let them know we aren't going
to be satisfied with poor quality control?
Do you think putting General Motors, Ford, and Chrysler out of business
would have made the conversion to Toyota, Honda, and Subaru easier?
Or, do you think that just possibly, market forces are strong enough by
themselves to weed out the poor performers?
Ya know, suing everyone just because you can reminds me of a certain
Elliot Stone. He sued everyone related to his plane over a period of a
couple of years. Everyone from the original seller to Fletchair. He
wanted me to replace his windshield. Now, even if I were paid 10 times
my normal shop rate, I wouldn't go near that plane. He eventually sold
his Tiger because no one would sell him parts. or work on his plane.
=======================
on a lighter note . . . . . Aircraft Spruce was very cooperative this
time. I got a return authorization number and a shipper's number.
Yep, Aircraft Spruce picked up the shipping. The only
fly-in-the-ointment is that the new mags won't be available for 3
weeks.
PS. I've been driving General Motors cars since 1967. And that
includes 9 Corvairs (I never lost any money on Corvairs. I bought one
convertible for $6, drove it for a year, and sold it for $150. The
last one I had I put a 400hp 455 Olds Toronado engine and trans in it.
Now, that was fun.). In 40 years I've only had one lemon; it was a car
returned on a lease. My mistake.
-----Original Message-----
From: mark.t.mueller@comcast.net
Sent: Fri, 4 May 2007 2:22 AM
Subject: TeamGrumman-List: 4371 magneto
<mark.t.mueller@comcast.net>
"About a month ago I got a new 4371 to install on a customers plane.
When I installed the nut, it locked up the whole impulse coupling
mechanism.
I took some measurements on the new one and compared it to the old one.
It
had been manufactured wrong... Gee, they found out that pretty much
all of
the mags made since GE took over have been manufactured wrong."
I hate today's litigious society, but when I see GE totally screw up
Unison
with this kind of stuff, I secretly hope someone sues GE till it hurts
their
profit margin. Funny how the lawsuits will kill the small guys, but
the big
guys can still pull this kind of crap on GA...
________________________________________________________________________
from AOL at AOL.com.
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I have an annual coming up this month. I would like to buy, borrow,
rent a template for checking the ailerons and eliminating the
repetitive AD. If anyone has one I'd like to hear from you.
Scott
AA5B, 28339
Boise, Id.
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| Subject: | Horizontal Support Braces |
I'm doing an annual on a Tiger that had the braces for the horizontal
replaced last year. The shop that did it is one of the best. However,
the cable tension to the elevator was over 90 lbs (off the scale on my
tensioner).
Should I sue the last guy to work on this plane? Or, do you think it
would be more contructive to correct the problem and let the shop know
what I found so that can correct the source of the mistake?
Damn it, I'm calling my lawyer . . . .
________________________________________________________________________
from AOL at AOL.com.
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| Subject: | Re: Horizontal Support Braces |
I just finished an annual on a Tiger that had the elevator cable tension set
way to high. I think they adjusted it by feel, comparing it to the aileron
cables possibly.
Cliff
----- Original Message -----
From: <teamgrumman@aol.com>
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 12:18 PM
Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Horizontal Support Braces
>
> I'm doing an annual on a Tiger that had the braces for the horizontal
> replaced last year. The shop that did it is one of the best. However,
> the cable tension to the elevator was over 90 lbs (off the scale on my
> tensioner).
>
> Should I sue the last guy to work on this plane? Or, do you think it
> would be more contructive to correct the problem and let the shop know
> what I found so that can correct the source of the mistake?
>
> Damn it, I'm calling my lawyer . . . .
> ________________________________________________________________________
> from AOL at AOL.com.
>
>
> --
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Horizontal Support Braces |
Gary you don't have to have a law degree to be a lawyer in Calefornia
Yes, Calefornia as the governator says it...
Go for it and take over their business!
----- Original Message -----
From: <teamgrumman@aol.com>
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 2:18 PM
Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Horizontal Support Braces
I'm doing an annual on a Tiger that had the braces for the horizontal
replaced last year. The shop that did it is one of the best. However,
the cable tension to the elevator was over 90 lbs (off the scale on my
tensioner).
Should I sue the last guy to work on this plane? Or, do you think it
would be more contructive to correct the problem and let the shop know
what I found so that can correct the source of the mistake?
Damn it, I'm calling my lawyer . . . .
________________________________________________________________________
from AOL at AOL.com.
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| Subject: | Fw: Quality Control - Lawsuit? |
----- Original Message -----
From: 923te
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 11:42 AM
Subject: Quality Control - Lawsuit?
Why jump to a lawsuit when an FAA procedure exists?
GA is already in trouble and loosing it's vendors, cf:
Parker Hannifin's was sued over it's vacuum pumps. Incedibly they were
faulted with the crash of an airplane by a less than knowledgeable jury.
Parker Hannifin no longer makes GA vacuum pumps and have pulled other
parts from the market as well.
Remember when Piper and Cessna quit GA bexause of frivelous lawsuits?
Way before pulling the lawsuit trigger why not pull the trigger on the
FAA's own method for enforcing compliance? Keep the attorneys out of it
if at all possible.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Thomas Mueller" <mark.t.mueller@comcast.net>
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 4:22 AM
Subject: TeamGrumman-List: 4371 magneto
<mark.t.mueller@comcast.net>
"About a month ago I got a new 4371 to install on a customers plane.
When I installed the nut, it locked up the whole impulse coupling
mechanism.
I took some measurements on the new one and compared it to the old one.
It
had been manufactured wrong... Gee, they found out that pretty much all
of
the mags made since GE took over have been manufactured wrong."
I hate today's litigious society, but when I see GE totally screw up
Unison
with this kind of stuff, I secretly hope someone sues GE till it hurts
their
profit margin. Funny how the lawsuits will kill the small guys, but the
big
guys can still pull this kind of crap on GA...
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron AMOC |
Scott,
If you don't come up with a better offer you can use mine for postage....
Andy Thomas
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Boyce" <tscott165@cableone.net>
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 2:13 PM
Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Aileron AMOC
> <tscott165@cableone.net>
>
> I have an annual coming up this month. I would like to buy, borrow, rent
> a template for checking the ailerons and eliminating the repetitive AD.
> If anyone has one I'd like to hear from you.
>
> Scott
> AA5B, 28339
> Boise, Id.
>
>
>
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Gary,
I didn't know you were a corvair nut...Me too. Dad still has 5 at the
house. One I learned to drive in a 65 Corsa. One he is putting a Fiero
rearend under with a 4.9 aluminum block in it...Dad's 83....so it's
taking awhile...
I sure would like to take a ride in your 400hp Totonado powerd
corvair...must a been a real rocket, corvette eater
Did yours look like this one:
http://www.mts.net/~lhonke/pbruce.htm
PS. I've been driving General Motors cars since 1967. And that
includes 9 Corvairs (I never lost any money on Corvairs. I bought one
convertible for $6, drove it for a year, and sold it for $150. The
last one I had I put a 400hp 455 Olds Toronado engine and trans in it.
Now, that was fun.). In 40 years I've only had one lemon; it was a car
returned on a lease. My mistake
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3'rd try
Why jump to a lawsuit when an FAA procedure exists?
GA is already in trouble and loosing it's vendors, cf:
Parker Hannifin's was sued over it's vacuum pumps. Incedibly they were
faulted with the crash of an airplane by a less than knowledgeable jury.
Parker Hannifin no longer makes GA vacuum pumps and have pulled other
parts from the market as well.
Remember when Piper and Cessna quit GA bexause of frivelous lawsuits?
Way before pulling the lawsuit trigger why not pull the trigger on the
FAA's own method for enforcing compliance? Keep the attorneys out of it
if at all possible.
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