---------------------------------------------------------- TeamGrumman-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 05/04/07: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:23 AM - 4371 magneto (Mark Thomas Mueller) 2. 09:43 AM - Quality Control - Lawsuit? (923te) 3. 12:14 PM - Re: 4371 magneto (teamgrumman@aol.com) 4. 12:14 PM - Aileron AMOC (Scott Boyce) 5. 12:19 PM - Horizontal Support Braces (teamgrumman@aol.com) 6. 12:32 PM - Re: Horizontal Support Braces (flyv35b) 7. 12:37 PM - Re: Horizontal Support Braces (923te) 8. 12:41 PM - Fw: Quality Control - Lawsuit? (923te) 9. 12:48 PM - Re: Aileron AMOC (Andy Thomas) 10. 12:59 PM - Corvairs (923te) 11. 01:02 PM - Re: Lawsuit (923te) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:23:32 AM PST US From: "Mark Thomas Mueller" Subject: TeamGrumman-List: 4371 magneto "About a month ago I got a new 4371 to install on a customers plane. When I installed the nut, it locked up the whole impulse coupling mechanism. I took some measurements on the new one and compared it to the old one. It had been manufactured wrong... Gee, they found out that pretty much all of the mags made since GE took over have been manufactured wrong." I hate today's litigious society, but when I see GE totally screw up Unison with this kind of stuff, I secretly hope someone sues GE till it hurts their profit margin. Funny how the lawsuits will kill the small guys, but the big guys can still pull this kind of crap on GA... ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:43:04 AM PST US From: "923te" <923te@cox.net> Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Quality Control - Lawsuit? Why jump to a lawsuit when an FAA procedure exists? GA is already in trouble and loosing it's vendors, cf: Parker Hannifin's was sued over it's vacuum pumps. Incedibly they were faulted with the crash of an airplane by a less than knowledgeable jury. Parker Hannifin no longer makes GA vacuum pumps and have pulled other parts from the market as well. Remember when Piper and Cessna quit GA bexause of frivelous lawsuits? Way before pulling the lawsuit trigger why not pull the trigger on the FAA's own method for enforcing compliance? Keep the attorneys out of it if at all possible. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Thomas Mueller" Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 4:22 AM Subject: TeamGrumman-List: 4371 magneto "About a month ago I got a new 4371 to install on a customers plane. When I installed the nut, it locked up the whole impulse coupling mechanism. I took some measurements on the new one and compared it to the old one. It had been manufactured wrong... Gee, they found out that pretty much all of the mags made since GE took over have been manufactured wrong." I hate today's litigious society, but when I see GE totally screw up Unison with this kind of stuff, I secretly hope someone sues GE till it hurts their profit margin. Funny how the lawsuits will kill the small guys, but the big guys can still pull this kind of crap on GA... ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:14:11 PM PST US Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: 4371 magneto From: teamgrumman@aol.com You're not serious are you? Who in the hell would benefit from GE getting sued over screwing up a few mags? For christ's sake, do you really want to shut down an entire lifestyle for anyone connected to general aviation? Is this the way you solve all of your concerns with manufacturing defects? or anything else any time you're not happy with something? Don't you think it would be just a little bit more constructive to return the bad ones and let them know we aren't going to be satisfied with poor quality control? Do you think putting General Motors, Ford, and Chrysler out of business would have made the conversion to Toyota, Honda, and Subaru easier? Or, do you think that just possibly, market forces are strong enough by themselves to weed out the poor performers? Ya know, suing everyone just because you can reminds me of a certain Elliot Stone. He sued everyone related to his plane over a period of a couple of years. Everyone from the original seller to Fletchair. He wanted me to replace his windshield. Now, even if I were paid 10 times my normal shop rate, I wouldn't go near that plane. He eventually sold his Tiger because no one would sell him parts. or work on his plane. ======================= on a lighter note . . . . . Aircraft Spruce was very cooperative this time. I got a return authorization number and a shipper's number. Yep, Aircraft Spruce picked up the shipping. The only fly-in-the-ointment is that the new mags won't be available for 3 weeks. PS. I've been driving General Motors cars since 1967. And that includes 9 Corvairs (I never lost any money on Corvairs. I bought one convertible for $6, drove it for a year, and sold it for $150. The last one I had I put a 400hp 455 Olds Toronado engine and trans in it. Now, that was fun.). In 40 years I've only had one lemon; it was a car returned on a lease. My mistake. -----Original Message----- From: mark.t.mueller@comcast.net Sent: Fri, 4 May 2007 2:22 AM Subject: TeamGrumman-List: 4371 magneto "About a month ago I got a new 4371 to install on a customers plane. When I installed the nut, it locked up the whole impulse coupling mechanism. I took some measurements on the new one and compared it to the old one. It had been manufactured wrong... Gee, they found out that pretty much all of the mags made since GE took over have been manufactured wrong." I hate today's litigious society, but when I see GE totally screw up Unison with this kind of stuff, I secretly hope someone sues GE till it hurts their profit margin. Funny how the lawsuits will kill the small guys, but the big guys can still pull this kind of crap on GA... ________________________________________________________________________ from AOL at AOL.com. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:14:17 PM PST US From: Scott Boyce Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Aileron AMOC I have an annual coming up this month. I would like to buy, borrow, rent a template for checking the ailerons and eliminating the repetitive AD. If anyone has one I'd like to hear from you. Scott AA5B, 28339 Boise, Id. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:19:02 PM PST US Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Horizontal Support Braces From: teamgrumman@aol.com I'm doing an annual on a Tiger that had the braces for the horizontal replaced last year. The shop that did it is one of the best. However, the cable tension to the elevator was over 90 lbs (off the scale on my tensioner). Should I sue the last guy to work on this plane? Or, do you think it would be more contructive to correct the problem and let the shop know what I found so that can correct the source of the mistake? Damn it, I'm calling my lawyer . . . . ________________________________________________________________________ from AOL at AOL.com. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:32:40 PM PST US From: "flyv35b" Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Horizontal Support Braces I just finished an annual on a Tiger that had the elevator cable tension set way to high. I think they adjusted it by feel, comparing it to the aileron cables possibly. Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 12:18 PM Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Horizontal Support Braces > > I'm doing an annual on a Tiger that had the braces for the horizontal > replaced last year. The shop that did it is one of the best. However, > the cable tension to the elevator was over 90 lbs (off the scale on my > tensioner). > > Should I sue the last guy to work on this plane? Or, do you think it > would be more contructive to correct the problem and let the shop know > what I found so that can correct the source of the mistake? > > Damn it, I'm calling my lawyer . . . . > ________________________________________________________________________ > from AOL at AOL.com. > > > -- > 269.6.2/787 - Release Date: 5/3/2007 2:11 PM > -- ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:37:57 PM PST US From: "923te" <923te@cox.net> Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Horizontal Support Braces Gary you don't have to have a law degree to be a lawyer in Calefornia Yes, Calefornia as the governator says it... Go for it and take over their business! ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 2:18 PM Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Horizontal Support Braces I'm doing an annual on a Tiger that had the braces for the horizontal replaced last year. The shop that did it is one of the best. However, the cable tension to the elevator was over 90 lbs (off the scale on my tensioner). Should I sue the last guy to work on this plane? Or, do you think it would be more contructive to correct the problem and let the shop know what I found so that can correct the source of the mistake? Damn it, I'm calling my lawyer . . . . ________________________________________________________________________ from AOL at AOL.com. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:41:15 PM PST US From: "923te" <923te@cox.net> Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Fw: Quality Control - Lawsuit? ----- Original Message ----- From: 923te Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 11:42 AM Subject: Quality Control - Lawsuit? Why jump to a lawsuit when an FAA procedure exists? GA is already in trouble and loosing it's vendors, cf: Parker Hannifin's was sued over it's vacuum pumps. Incedibly they were faulted with the crash of an airplane by a less than knowledgeable jury. Parker Hannifin no longer makes GA vacuum pumps and have pulled other parts from the market as well. Remember when Piper and Cessna quit GA bexause of frivelous lawsuits? Way before pulling the lawsuit trigger why not pull the trigger on the FAA's own method for enforcing compliance? Keep the attorneys out of it if at all possible. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Thomas Mueller" Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 4:22 AM Subject: TeamGrumman-List: 4371 magneto "About a month ago I got a new 4371 to install on a customers plane. When I installed the nut, it locked up the whole impulse coupling mechanism. I took some measurements on the new one and compared it to the old one. It had been manufactured wrong... Gee, they found out that pretty much all of the mags made since GE took over have been manufactured wrong." I hate today's litigious society, but when I see GE totally screw up Unison with this kind of stuff, I secretly hope someone sues GE till it hurts their profit margin. Funny how the lawsuits will kill the small guys, but the big guys can still pull this kind of crap on GA... ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:48:57 PM PST US From: "Andy Thomas" Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Aileron AMOC Scott, If you don't come up with a better offer you can use mine for postage.... Andy Thomas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Boyce" Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 2:13 PM Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Aileron AMOC > > > I have an annual coming up this month. I would like to buy, borrow, rent > a template for checking the ailerons and eliminating the repetitive AD. > If anyone has one I'd like to hear from you. > > Scott > AA5B, 28339 > Boise, Id. > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:59:19 PM PST US From: "923te" <923te@cox.net> Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Corvairs Gary, I didn't know you were a corvair nut...Me too. Dad still has 5 at the house. One I learned to drive in a 65 Corsa. One he is putting a Fiero rearend under with a 4.9 aluminum block in it...Dad's 83....so it's taking awhile... I sure would like to take a ride in your 400hp Totonado powerd corvair...must a been a real rocket, corvette eater Did yours look like this one: http://www.mts.net/~lhonke/pbruce.htm PS. I've been driving General Motors cars since 1967. And that includes 9 Corvairs (I never lost any money on Corvairs. I bought one convertible for $6, drove it for a year, and sold it for $150. The last one I had I put a 400hp 455 Olds Toronado engine and trans in it. Now, that was fun.). In 40 years I've only had one lemon; it was a car returned on a lease. My mistake ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:02:40 PM PST US From: "923te" <923te@cox.net> Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Lawsuit 3'rd try Why jump to a lawsuit when an FAA procedure exists? GA is already in trouble and loosing it's vendors, cf: Parker Hannifin's was sued over it's vacuum pumps. Incedibly they were faulted with the crash of an airplane by a less than knowledgeable jury. Parker Hannifin no longer makes GA vacuum pumps and have pulled other parts from the market as well. Remember when Piper and Cessna quit GA bexause of frivelous lawsuits? Way before pulling the lawsuit trigger why not pull the trigger on the FAA's own method for enforcing compliance? Keep the attorneys out of it if at all possible. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message teamgrumman-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/TeamGrumman-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/teamgrumman-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/teamgrumman-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.