---------------------------------------------------------- TeamGrumman-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 05/06/07: 2 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:35 AM - Re: Aviation Lawsuits (teamgrumman@AOL.COM) 2. 11:17 AM - Re: fly-ins (Michael W Meyer) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:35:06 AM PST US Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Aviation Lawsuits From: teamgrumman@AOL.COM Don't get me wrong, there is a time and place for everything. At this place and time, educating GE on how to be successful is in ALL our best interests. -----Original Message----- From: rcmutz@msn.com Sent: Sat, 5 May 2007 6:17 AM Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Aviation Lawsuits Gary, I agree with you a 100%. Usually when I have a problem, I keep working with the company and up the chain until I get resolution that I feel comfortable with, and this usually works. Only one time did I actually sue someone. That was when I put a deposit down for a painting my plane, the guy went out of business (ask Sandbag about it..), and I put a suit in so if and when he finally files bankruptcy, I may get 10 cents on the dollar back. From what I have heard, he has run out of the state, owes the state back taxes, and will never return, so I don't really expect to get anything back, but hey, it made me feel comfortable. Sea le vi... Richard Mutzman N399RM ________________________________________________________________________ from AOL at AOL.com. =0 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 11:17:35 AM PST US From: "Michael W Meyer" Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Re: fly-ins I've been to a number of fly-ins, including Oshkosh at both the main field and Fond du Lac, Sun-n-Fun, AOPA, and some local events. My observation is that things tend to run smoothly / safely at the extreme ends of the range, and get disorganized / scary in the middle of the range. At OSH, they've been doing it long enough and enough people are involved with enough interest in everything going well, that it is well-planned and well-organized. There is the occasional glitch, but it's occasional and generally minor, and any real accident (like the T6 last summer) attracts a lot of attention because it is so rare. The biggest problems at OSH seem to be pilots who don't read or understand the NOTAM. It's kind of large, but well-presented and logical, if you spend some time studying it. I always print it out in a half-page booklet and highlight the important-to-check-in-flight things like frequencies and checkpoints. I think that everyone is concerned about being the bozo who screws it up, so nearly everyone does understand and follow the procedures. I'm actually impressed how well it works. My biggest pet peeve at OSH is the grass taxiway surfaces. They're uneven enough that the tiger with a load of camping gear in back can get a kind of harmonic bounce going with the nose gear. They like you to taxi a bit fast there, which makes it worse, and sometimes I just have to stop to damp the oscillation. I wish they'd roll out the grass taxiways to smooth them out, but I guess that's a minor thing. The small local events seem to just not attract enough traffic to overload the normal ability of people to stay alert and work out the right thing to do, so with a little advance planning and thought about easing the flow, it works out ok. Scary things happen in the middle. S-n-F has (IMHO) a really poor arrival procedure, with indistinct landmarks and a structure that encourages cutting the corners. Real easy to get the sequencing confused. I guess that since it's not "the big show," there's a significant number of pilots who either don't know about or don't care about the notam, and just kind of blunder in announcing their arrival and asking what to do. What makes it worse is that the controllers will talk them through it. (If you do that at OSH, they'll tell you the notam is available at x, y, and z airports, so go land there and read it.) Lots of chatter and confusion. Once you arrive at S-n-F, you find that the parking / camping area is pretty poorly prepared. It's evident to me that they consider the folks who drive in with their big camper vans and RVs (not the planes) to be their main customer base, as that's where all the amenities are. I really like airplane camping, and I think that the tiger is especially well-suited for it (as long as you're not thinking backwoods strips). I got turned on to it at Oshkosh, and would highly encourage any competent pilot to make the trip. It's a ton of fun, and the best part is just being immersed in aviation - sitting next to your cooler enjoying a cold soda pop watching the airshow, waking up in your tent to the sound of big radial engines, all that good stuff. The smaller events are fun as well, and heading out on your own is best of all. Michael ----- Original Message ----- > > > Time: 08:59:44 AM PST US > From: "Steve Roberts" > Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Corvairs > > > Wow I did not know that. I'll keep that in mind. If I do go back to OSH > I'll > break the arm of any groundspeople who want to help me push my plane. > > If I'm right I have no need to be angry; > If I'm wrong I have no right to be... > Steve Roberts - AA-1B N9664L @ ILG > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: <923te@cox.net> > Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Corvairs > > > Just a heads up on Fon Du Lac. Lot's of war birds land there. > > I think Oshkosh is safer to land at then Fon Du Lac. Osh has many more > volunteers helping. I watched a P51 taxi right into a brand new Commander > 114 at Fon Du Lac. The rudder went staight up about 300'. It was a clean > cut > leaving no damage to the vertical stabilizer OR the propeller on the P51 > > In any event Osh approach and landing is an unforgettable experience. I've > done it 4 times, 3 of those in my Tiger > > do not archive ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message teamgrumman-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/TeamGrumman-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/teamgrumman-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/teamgrumman-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.