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| Subject: | Re: Cowling Update. Horizontal braces |
Thanks. I can ask. You would need to get your pitot system certified.
The airspeed indicator and altimeter must be certified as well. You
would need to be available (i.e., the plane would need to be available)
for anytime the DER is ready to flight test.
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: James Courtney <jamey@jamescourtney.net>
Sent: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 9:58 pm
Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling Update. Horizontal braces
<jamey@jamescourtney.net>
Gary, what kind of schedule would you be on for the test flights? I
might
be able to chase you a few times depending on when. I'm having some
work
done to my plane later this month/early October but after that maybe?
If
the amount of time you need is modest I'm probably available at little
to no
cost too:)
My Vne is 204 kt. which I'd think would do it. Vno is 166 and Va is 140
FWIW.
Glad to hear progress is being made.
Jamey
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Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 3:05 PM
Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling Update. Horizontal braces
Well folks, we're getting there. We met with the FAA last Friday.
I'll need to do the carb heat rise test. I also need to do a dive
test. I need to dive the plane to 220 mph. Should be an interesting
flight test. We were going to use the DERs Mooney as a chase plane,
but, the Tiger has a higher Vne. Weird huh. Now, we have to find
another plane, and I have to pay the pilot to fly a chase plane during
the dive. I have a stock Tiger instrumented and will be doing some
flight tests tomorrow. One of the costs projected for the installation
that I hadn't considered earlier is the cost of the baffles. They are
turning out to be higher than I thought. The installation instructions
are 29 pages so far. But, then, the FAA hasn't had a chance to look at
them yet. $10,000+ and counting . . . . .
I have also hired a structural engineer to come up with a fix for the
horizontal braces. Unlike the current fix which just replaces the
bent/cracked parts with the same parts, this is a whole new
installation. I am also looking into a metal-to-metal bonding
procedure that is more like the original structure and doesn't use fuel
tank sealant as an adhesive. I'm going for an STC for a permanent fix,
just in case I need to fix my plane some day. $4000+ and counting . .
. . .
Gary
AuCountry Aviation
(in Beautiful) Auburn, CA
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| Subject: | Re: TeamGrumman-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 09/11/07 |
Gary,
I can chase you also. My annual is coming up in October so we'd have to
work around that.
Dan
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> 1. 03:06 PM - Cowling Update. Horizontal braces (teamgrumman@aol.com)
> 2. 09:58 PM - Re: Cowling Update. Horizontal braces (James Courtney)
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> Time: 03:06:29 PM PST US
> Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling Update. Horizontal braces
> From: teamgrumman@aol.com
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>
> Well folks, we're getting there. We met with the FAA last Friday.
> I'll need to do the carb heat rise test. I also need to do a dive
> test. I need to dive the plane to 220 mph. Should be an interesting
> flight test. We were going to use the DERs Mooney as a chase plane,
> but, the Tiger has a higher Vne. Weird huh. Now, we have to find
> another plane, and I have to pay the pilot to fly a chase plane during
> the dive. I have a stock Tiger instrumented and will be doing some
> flight tests tomorrow. One of the costs projected for the installation
> that I hadn't considered earlier is the cost of the baffles. They are
> turning out to be higher than I thought. The installation instructions
> are 29 pages so far. But, then, the FAA hasn't had a chance to look at
> them yet. $10,000+ and counting . . . . .
>
> I have also hired a structural engineer to come up with a fix for the
> horizontal braces. Unlike the current fix which just replaces the
> bent/cracked parts with the same parts, this is a whole new
> installation. I am also looking into a metal-to-metal bonding
> procedure that is more like the original structure and doesn't use fuel
> tank sealant as an adhesive. I'm going for an STC for a permanent fix,
> just in case I need to fix my plane some day. $4000+ and counting . .
> . . .
>
> Gary
> AuCountry Aviation
> (in Beautiful) Auburn, CA
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> Time: 09:58:54 PM PST US
> From: "James Courtney" <jamey@jamescourtney.net>
> Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling Update. Horizontal braces
>
>
> Gary, what kind of schedule would you be on for the test flights? I might
> be able to chase you a few times depending on when. I'm having some work
> done to my plane later this month/early October but after that maybe? If
> the amount of time you need is modest I'm probably available at little to
> no
> cost too:)
>
> My Vne is 204 kt. which I'd think would do it. Vno is 166 and Va is 140
> FWIW.
>
> Glad to hear progress is being made.
>
> Jamey
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> teamgrumman@aol.com
> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 3:05 PM
> Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling Update. Horizontal braces
>
>
> Well folks, we're getting there. We met with the FAA last Friday.
> I'll need to do the carb heat rise test. I also need to do a dive
> test. I need to dive the plane to 220 mph. Should be an interesting
> flight test. We were going to use the DERs Mooney as a chase plane,
> but, the Tiger has a higher Vne. Weird huh. Now, we have to find
> another plane, and I have to pay the pilot to fly a chase plane during
> the dive. I have a stock Tiger instrumented and will be doing some
> flight tests tomorrow. One of the costs projected for the installation
> that I hadn't considered earlier is the cost of the baffles. They are
> turning out to be higher than I thought. The installation instructions
> are 29 pages so far. But, then, the FAA hasn't had a chance to look at
> them yet. $10,000+ and counting . . . . .
>
> I have also hired a structural engineer to come up with a fix for the
> horizontal braces. Unlike the current fix which just replaces the
> bent/cracked parts with the same parts, this is a whole new
> installation. I am also looking into a metal-to-metal bonding
> procedure that is more like the original structure and doesn't use fuel
> tank sealant as an adhesive. I'm going for an STC for a permanent fix,
> just in case I need to fix my plane some day. $4000+ and counting . .
> . . .
>
> Gary
> AuCountry Aviation
> (in Beautiful) Auburn, CA
> ________________________________________________________________________
> Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! -
> http://mail.aol.com
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>
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| Subject: | Re: TeamGrumman-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 09/11/07 |
> I can chase you also. My annual is coming up in October so we'd have to
> work around that.
>> Well folks, we're getting there. We met with the FAA last Friday.
>> I'll need to do the carb heat rise test. I also need to do a dive
>> test. I need to dive the plane to 220 mph.
It sounds like you'll need a plane with a Vne at least 220 mph based on what
Gary said. That would take a Bonanza or Columbia or some such. The V35B
has a Vne of 225 mph and the A36 is 234mph. I wouldn't even think of flying
a 30 year old one that fast unless the air was extreemly smooth and
conditions were right. It would take a dive in the Bonanza to even get to
220 mph. Doing that in formation (loose) with a diving Grumman while trying
to watch the airspeed indication, etc. would prove quite interesting!
Cliff A&P/IA
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| Subject: | Re: TeamGrumman-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 09/11/07 |
Thanks Dan. Are you ready to get all of your instruments certified?
It could be fun. I won't be using my plane, but another, more stock
Tiger. It should be interesting to see how fast I get to 200 mph.
-----Original Message-----
From: hoot7@earthlink.net
Sent: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 6:51 am
Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Re: TeamGrumman-List Digest: 2 Msgs -
09/11/07
Gary,
I can chase you also. My annual is coming up in October so we'd have
to
work around that.
Dan
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> 1. 03:06 PM - Cowling Update. Horizontal braces
(teamgrumman@aol.com)
> 2. 09:58 PM - Re: Cowling Update. Horizontal braces (James
Courtney)
>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 03:06:29 PM PST US
> Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling Update. Horizontal braces
> From: teamgrumman@aol.com
>
>
> Well folks, we're getting there. We met with the FAA last Friday.
> I'll need to do the carb heat rise test. I also need to do a dive
> test. I need to dive the plane to 220 mph. Should be an interesting
> flight test. We were going to use the DERs Mooney as a chase plane,
> but, the Tiger has a higher Vne. Weird huh. Now, we have to find
> another plane, and I have to pay the pilot to fly a chase plane
during
> the dive. I have a stock Tiger instrumented and will be doing some
> flight tests tomorrow. One of the costs projected for the
installation
> that I hadn't considered earlier is the cost of the baffles. They
are
> turning out to be higher than I thought. The installation
instructions
> are 29 pages so far. But, then, the FAA hasn't had a chance to look
at
> them yet. $10,000+ and counting . . . . .
>
> I have also hired a structural engineer to come up with a fix for the
> horizontal braces. Unlike the current fix which just replaces the
> bent/cracked parts with the same parts, this is a whole new
> installation. I am also looking into a metal-to-metal bonding
> procedure that is more like the original structure and doesn't use
fuel
> tank sealant as an adhesive. I'm going for an STC for a permanent
fix,
> just in case I need to fix my plane some day. $4000+ and counting .
.
> . . .
>
> Gary
> AuCountry Aviation
> (in Beautiful) Auburn, CA
>
________________________________________________________________________
> Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail!
-
> http://mail.aol.com
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 09:58:54 PM PST US
> From: "James Courtney" <jamey@jamescourtney.net>
> Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling Update. Horizontal braces
>
>
> Gary, what kind of schedule would you be on for the test flights? I
might
> be able to chase you a few times depending on when. I'm having some
work
> done to my plane later this month/early October but after that maybe?
If
> the amount of time you need is modest I'm probably available at
little to
> no
> cost too:)
>
> My Vne is 204 kt. which I'd think would do it. Vno is 166 and Va is
140
> FWIW.
>
> Glad to hear progress is being made.
>
> Jamey
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> teamgrumman@aol.com
> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 3:05 PM
> Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling Update. Horizontal braces
>
>
>
> Well folks, we're getting there. We met with the FAA last Friday.
> I'll need to do the carb heat rise test. I also need to do a dive
> test. I need to dive the plane to 220 mph. Should be an interesting
> flight test. We were going to use the DERs Mooney as a chase plane,
> but, the Tiger has a higher Vne. Weird huh. Now, we have to find
> another plane, and I have to pay the pilot to fly a chase plane
during
> the dive. I have a stock Tiger instrumented and will be doing some
> flight tests tomorrow. One of the costs projected for the
installation
> that I hadn't considered earlier is the cost of the baffles. They
are
> turning out to be higher than I thought. The installation
instructions
> are 29 pages so far. But, then, the FAA hasn't had a chance to look
at
> them yet. $10,000+ and counting . . . . .
>
> I have also hired a structural engineer to come up with a fix for the
> horizontal braces. Unlike the current fix which just replaces the
> bent/cracked parts with the same parts, this is a whole new
> installation. I am also looking into a metal-to-metal bonding
> procedure that is more like the original structure and doesn't use
fuel
> tank sealant as an adhesive. I'm going for an STC for a permanent
fix,
> just in case I need to fix my plane some day. $4000+ and counting .
.
> . . .
>
> Gary
> AuCountry Aviation
> (in Beautiful) Auburn, CA
>
________________________________________________________________________
> Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail!
-
> http://mail.aol.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: TeamGrumman-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 09/11/07 |
Good point, how tight a formation/chase are we talking here? I don't have
my formation training yet. Yes, that would be a dive in the Bo for sure.
What sort of things is one trying to observe from the chase plane?
Jamey
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Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 7:24 AM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: TeamGrumman-List Digest: 2 Msgs -
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> I can chase you also. My annual is coming up in October so we'd have
> to
> work around that.
>> Well folks, we're getting there. We met with the FAA last Friday.
>> I'll need to do the carb heat rise test. I also need to do a dive
>> test. I need to dive the plane to 220 mph.
It sounds like you'll need a plane with a Vne at least 220 mph based on what
Gary said. That would take a Bonanza or Columbia or some such. The V35B
has a Vne of 225 mph and the A36 is 234mph. I wouldn't even think of flying
a 30 year old one that fast unless the air was extreemly smooth and
conditions were right. It would take a dive in the Bonanza to even get to
220 mph. Doing that in formation (loose) with a diving Grumman while trying
to watch the airspeed indication, etc. would prove quite interesting!
Cliff A&P/IA
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