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1. 01:13 AM - Re: Re: TeamGrumman-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 09/11/07 (teamgrumman@AOL.COM)
2. 01:59 AM - Cowling Update. Redux (teamgrumman@AOL.COM)
3. 05:47 AM - Re: Cowling Update. Redux (flyv35b)
4. 09:04 AM - Re: Cowling Update. Redux (James Courtney)
5. 09:15 AM - Re: Cowling Update. Redux (flyv35b)
6. 10:03 AM - Re: Cowling Update. Redux (Gil Alexander)
7. 10:10 AM - OT: ABS convention (James Courtney)
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| Subject: | Re: TeamGrumman-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 09/11/07 |
The chase plane, calibrated, is used to verify the dive speed. It has
to be flown in failrly close formation.
I did some of the 'company' flight testing today. I pushed the nose
over at 9500 feet and by 7000 feet we were at 200 mph. Easing back on
the yoke, recovered by 6500 feet. Piece-'o-cake.
Dan, if you're listening . . . . . . The DER is in Lincoln. It would
be really convient if you could work with us for the testing. And, as
I recall, you've done your fair share of formation flying. Do you
think you could find an F-4 to do formation?
-----Original Message-----
From: James Courtney <jamey@jamescourtney.net>
Sent: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 3:52 pm
Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Re: TeamGrumman-List Digest: 2 Msgs -
09/11/07
<jamey@jamescourtney.net>
Good point, how tight a formation/chase are we talking here? I don't
have
my formation training yet. Yes, that would be a dive in the Bo for
sure.
What sort of things is one trying to observe from the chase plane?
Jamey
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
flyv35b
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 7:24 AM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: TeamGrumman-List Digest: 2 Msgs -
09/11/07
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> I can chase you also. My annual is coming up in October so we'd
have
> to
> work around that.
>> Well folks, we're getting there. We met with the FAA last Friday.
>> I'll need to do the carb heat rise test. I also need to do a dive
>> test. I need to dive the plane to 220 mph.
It sounds like you'll need a plane with a Vne at least 220 mph based on
what
Gary said. That would take a Bonanza or Columbia or some such. The
V35B
has a Vne of 225 mph and the A36 is 234mph. I wouldn't even think of
flying
a 30 year old one that fast unless the air was extreemly smooth and
conditions were right. It would take a dive in the Bonanza to even get
to
220 mph. Doing that in formation (loose) with a diving Grumman while
trying
to watch the airspeed indication, etc. would prove quite interesting!
Cliff A&P/IA
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| Subject: | Cowling Update. Redux |
I almost forgot.
They now want me to show that my cowling is resistant to lightning
strikes.
So, does anyone know how other fiberglass cowlings are passing the
lightning strike tests?
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| Subject: | Re: Cowling Update. Redux |
How did American General do it - or did they? What a bunch of BS!
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From: <teamgrumman@aol.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 1:58 AM
Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling Update. Redux
>
> I almost forgot.
>
> They now want me to show that my cowling is resistant to lightning
> strikes.
>
> So, does anyone know how other fiberglass cowlings are passing the
> lightning strike tests?
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| Subject: | Cowling Update. Redux |
I don't know how you'd demonstrate that but I just got to tour the
Hawker-Beech factories and their carbon-fiber fuselages and parts have
aluminum (I think) woven in the top layer of fabric in the lay-up which I
guess somehow ties into a system for distributing such events evenly over
the airframe. This seems excessive for the cowl on a wee Grumman vs. a
Hawker 4000 though.
Jamey
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From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of flyv35b
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 5:48 AM
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How did American General do it - or did they? What a bunch of BS!
----- Original Message -----
From: <teamgrumman@aol.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 1:58 AM
Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling Update. Redux
>
> I almost forgot.
>
> They now want me to show that my cowling is resistant to lightning
> strikes.
>
> So, does anyone know how other fiberglass cowlings are passing the
> lightning strike tests?
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| Subject: | Re: Cowling Update. Redux |
Did you go to the ABS convention at Wichita? How many Bonanzas were there?
Cliff
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Courtney" <jamey@jamescourtney.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 9:04 AM
Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling Update. Redux
> <jamey@jamescourtney.net>
>
> I don't know how you'd demonstrate that but I just got to tour the
> Hawker-Beech factories and their carbon-fiber fuselages and parts have
> aluminum (I think) woven in the top layer of fabric in the lay-up which I
> guess somehow ties into a system for distributing such events evenly over
> the airframe. This seems excessive for the cowl on a wee Grumman vs. a
> Hawker 4000 though.
>
> Jamey
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of flyv35b
> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 5:48 AM
> To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling Update. Redux
>
>
> --> <flyv35b@minetfiber.com>
>
> How did American General do it - or did they? What a bunch of BS!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <teamgrumman@aol.com>
> To: <teamgrumman-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 1:58 AM
> Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling Update. Redux
>
>
>>
>> I almost forgot.
>>
>> They now want me to show that my cowling is resistant to lightning
>> strikes.
>>
>> So, does anyone know how other fiberglass cowlings are passing the
>> lightning strike tests?
>> ________________________________________________________________________
>> Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! -
>> http://mail.aol.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Cowling Update. Redux |
The question to ask them would be "what specification does it have to meet?"
Lightening strike sounds rather vague.....:^)
gil A
At 09:04 AM 9/13/2007, you wrote:
><jamey@jamescourtney.net>
>
>I don't know how you'd demonstrate that but I just got to tour the
>Hawker-Beech factories and their carbon-fiber fuselages and parts have
>aluminum (I think) woven in the top layer of fabric in the lay-up which I
>guess somehow ties into a system for distributing such events evenly over
>the airframe. This seems excessive for the cowl on a wee Grumman vs. a
>Hawker 4000 though.
>
>Jamey
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| Subject: | OT: ABS convention |
Yep, flew out with a friend for a couple of days. 360ish Bonanza's and
Barons I think. The factory tour was clearly the highlight and would have
been cool regardless of what kind of aircraft you own. Everything from A36s
to the T-6 Texan II trainer to the Hawker 4000 using conventional aluminum
construction techniques to metal bonding to high-end carbon fiber honeycombs
for the majority of some airframes. A very cool metal factory with huge CNC
machines and sheet metal forming equipment. Interestingly the oldest
machine in the factory is a 60,000 lb. sheet metal press. The only item
they can't make on any other machine is the magnesium elevator skins for the
Bonanza. Go figure.
Jamey
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of flyv35b
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling Update. Redux
--> <flyv35b@minetfiber.com>
Did you go to the ABS convention at Wichita? How many Bonanzas were there?
Cliff
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Courtney" <jamey@jamescourtney.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 9:04 AM
Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling Update. Redux
> <jamey@jamescourtney.net>
>
> I don't know how you'd demonstrate that but I just got to tour the
> Hawker-Beech factories and their carbon-fiber fuselages and parts have
> aluminum (I think) woven in the top layer of fabric in the lay-up
> which I guess somehow ties into a system for distributing such events
> evenly over the airframe. This seems excessive for the cowl on a wee
> Grumman vs. a Hawker 4000 though.
>
> Jamey
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> flyv35b
> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 5:48 AM
> To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling Update. Redux
>
>
> --> <flyv35b@minetfiber.com>
>
> How did American General do it - or did they? What a bunch of BS!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <teamgrumman@aol.com>
> To: <teamgrumman-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 1:58 AM
> Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling Update. Redux
>
>
>>
>> I almost forgot.
>>
>> They now want me to show that my cowling is resistant to lightning
>> strikes.
>>
>> So, does anyone know how other fiberglass cowlings are passing the
>> lightning strike tests?
>> _____________________________________________________________________
>> ___
>> Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! -
>> http://mail.aol.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
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