---------------------------------------------------------- TeamGrumman-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 09/13/07: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:13 AM - Re: Re: TeamGrumman-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 09/11/07 (teamgrumman@AOL.COM) 2. 01:59 AM - Cowling Update. Redux (teamgrumman@AOL.COM) 3. 05:47 AM - Re: Cowling Update. Redux (flyv35b) 4. 09:04 AM - Re: Cowling Update. Redux (James Courtney) 5. 09:15 AM - Re: Cowling Update. Redux (flyv35b) 6. 10:03 AM - Re: Cowling Update. Redux (Gil Alexander) 7. 10:10 AM - OT: ABS convention (James Courtney) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:13:46 AM PST US Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: TeamGrumman-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 09/11/07 From: teamgrumman@AOL.COM The chase plane, calibrated, is used to verify the dive speed. It has to be flown in failrly close formation. I did some of the 'company' flight testing today. I pushed the nose over at 9500 feet and by 7000 feet we were at 200 mph. Easing back on the yoke, recovered by 6500 feet. Piece-'o-cake. Dan, if you're listening . . . . . . The DER is in Lincoln. It would be really convient if you could work with us for the testing. And, as I recall, you've done your fair share of formation flying. Do you think you could find an F-4 to do formation? -----Original Message----- From: James Courtney Sent: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 3:52 pm Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Re: TeamGrumman-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 09/11/07 Good point, how tight a formation/chase are we talking here? I don't have my formation training yet. Yes, that would be a dive in the Bo for sure. What sort of things is one trying to observe from the chase plane? Jamey -----Original Message----- From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of flyv35b Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 7:24 AM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: TeamGrumman-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 09/11/07 --> > I can chase you also. My annual is coming up in October so we'd have > to > work around that. >> Well folks, we're getting there. We met with the FAA last Friday. >> I'll need to do the carb heat rise test. I also need to do a dive >> test. I need to dive the plane to 220 mph. It sounds like you'll need a plane with a Vne at least 220 mph based on what Gary said. That would take a Bonanza or Columbia or some such. The V35B has a Vne of 225 mph and the A36 is 234mph. I wouldn't even think of flying a 30 year old one that fast unless the air was extreemly smooth and conditions were right. It would take a dive in the Bonanza to even get to 220 mph. Doing that in formation (loose) with a diving Grumman while trying to watch the airspeed indication, etc. would prove quite interesting! Cliff A&P/IA -- ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:59:33 AM PST US Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling Update. Redux From: teamgrumman@AOL.COM I almost forgot. They now want me to show that my cowling is resistant to lightning strikes. So, does anyone know how other fiberglass cowlings are passing the lightning strike tests? ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:47:57 AM PST US From: "flyv35b" Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling Update. Redux How did American General do it - or did they? What a bunch of BS! ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 1:58 AM Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling Update. Redux > > I almost forgot. > > They now want me to show that my cowling is resistant to lightning > strikes. > > So, does anyone know how other fiberglass cowlings are passing the > lightning strike tests? > ________________________________________________________________________ > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - > http://mail.aol.com > > > -- > 269.13.15/1003 - Release Date: 9/12/2007 10:56 AM > -- ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:04:45 AM PST US From: "James Courtney" Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling Update. Redux I don't know how you'd demonstrate that but I just got to tour the Hawker-Beech factories and their carbon-fiber fuselages and parts have aluminum (I think) woven in the top layer of fabric in the lay-up which I guess somehow ties into a system for distributing such events evenly over the airframe. This seems excessive for the cowl on a wee Grumman vs. a Hawker 4000 though. Jamey -----Original Message----- From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of flyv35b Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 5:48 AM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling Update. Redux --> How did American General do it - or did they? What a bunch of BS! ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 1:58 AM Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling Update. Redux > > I almost forgot. > > They now want me to show that my cowling is resistant to lightning > strikes. > > So, does anyone know how other fiberglass cowlings are passing the > lightning strike tests? > ________________________________________________________________________ > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - > http://mail.aol.com > > > -- > 269.13.15/1003 - Release Date: 9/12/2007 10:56 AM > -- ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:15:41 AM PST US From: "flyv35b" Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling Update. Redux Did you go to the ABS convention at Wichita? How many Bonanzas were there? Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Courtney" Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 9:04 AM Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling Update. Redux > > > I don't know how you'd demonstrate that but I just got to tour the > Hawker-Beech factories and their carbon-fiber fuselages and parts have > aluminum (I think) woven in the top layer of fabric in the lay-up which I > guess somehow ties into a system for distributing such events evenly over > the airframe. This seems excessive for the cowl on a wee Grumman vs. a > Hawker 4000 though. > > Jamey > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of flyv35b > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 5:48 AM > To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling Update. Redux > > > --> > > How did American General do it - or did they? What a bunch of BS! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 1:58 AM > Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling Update. Redux > > >> >> I almost forgot. >> >> They now want me to show that my cowling is resistant to lightning >> strikes. >> >> So, does anyone know how other fiberglass cowlings are passing the >> lightning strike tests? >> ________________________________________________________________________ >> Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - >> http://mail.aol.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> 269.13.15/1003 - Release Date: 9/12/2007 10:56 AM >> > > > -- > > > -- > 9/12/2007 10:56 AM > -- ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:03:38 AM PST US From: Gil Alexander Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling Update. Redux The question to ask them would be "what specification does it have to meet?" Lightening strike sounds rather vague.....:^) gil A At 09:04 AM 9/13/2007, you wrote: > > >I don't know how you'd demonstrate that but I just got to tour the >Hawker-Beech factories and their carbon-fiber fuselages and parts have >aluminum (I think) woven in the top layer of fabric in the lay-up which I >guess somehow ties into a system for distributing such events evenly over >the airframe. This seems excessive for the cowl on a wee Grumman vs. a >Hawker 4000 though. > >Jamey ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:10:02 AM PST US From: "James Courtney" Subject: TeamGrumman-List: OT: ABS convention Yep, flew out with a friend for a couple of days. 360ish Bonanza's and Barons I think. The factory tour was clearly the highlight and would have been cool regardless of what kind of aircraft you own. Everything from A36s to the T-6 Texan II trainer to the Hawker 4000 using conventional aluminum construction techniques to metal bonding to high-end carbon fiber honeycombs for the majority of some airframes. A very cool metal factory with huge CNC machines and sheet metal forming equipment. Interestingly the oldest machine in the factory is a 60,000 lb. sheet metal press. The only item they can't make on any other machine is the magnesium elevator skins for the Bonanza. Go figure. Jamey -----Original Message----- From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of flyv35b Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 9:16 AM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling Update. Redux --> Did you go to the ABS convention at Wichita? How many Bonanzas were there? Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Courtney" Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 9:04 AM Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling Update. Redux > > > I don't know how you'd demonstrate that but I just got to tour the > Hawker-Beech factories and their carbon-fiber fuselages and parts have > aluminum (I think) woven in the top layer of fabric in the lay-up > which I guess somehow ties into a system for distributing such events > evenly over the airframe. This seems excessive for the cowl on a wee > Grumman vs. a Hawker 4000 though. > > Jamey > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > flyv35b > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 5:48 AM > To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling Update. Redux > > > --> > > How did American General do it - or did they? What a bunch of BS! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 1:58 AM > Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling Update. Redux > > >> >> I almost forgot. >> >> They now want me to show that my cowling is resistant to lightning >> strikes. >> >> So, does anyone know how other fiberglass cowlings are passing the >> lightning strike tests? >> _____________________________________________________________________ >> ___ >> Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - >> http://mail.aol.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> 269.13.15/1003 - Release Date: 9/12/2007 10:56 AM >> > > > -- > > > -- > 9/12/2007 10:56 AM > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message teamgrumman-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/TeamGrumman-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/teamgrumman-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/teamgrumman-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.