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1. 12:55 AM - Alternators (teamgrumman@AOL.COM)
2. 01:13 AM - Over-Voltage relay (teamgrumman@AOL.COM)
3. 01:26 AM - Cowling update (teamgrumman@AOL.COM)
4. 06:13 AM - Misalignment of PP is unsightly on an AG5B ()
5. 06:34 AM - Re: Over-Voltage relay (flyv35b)
6. 07:52 AM - Re: Cowling update (Robyn VK6XRE)
7. 08:37 AM - Re: Over-Voltage relay (Gil Alexander)
8. 08:46 AM - Re: Over-Voltage relay (flyv35b)
9. 12:05 PM - Re: Cowling update (teamgrumman@AOL.COM)
10. 12:05 PM - Re: Over-Voltage relay (teamgrumman@AOL.COM)
11. 09:25 PM - Re: Cowling update (n32romeo@aol.com)
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Just a heads up.
I replaced the alternator in an AG5B with the Plane Power Alternator.
If you are familiar with the PP Alternator installation, they use a
hardened bushing to center the alternator on the mounting bolt. After
installation, the pulley was off a good 1/8 to 3/16 inch from the ring
gear pulley. When I called PP, they said they've known about the
problem and it was because the bushing was machined wrong. They had
another bushing they'd SELL me. I told them it was there problem and I
shouldn't have to buy another bushing. She put me on hold for several
minutes and then said she'd send a new part. She asked when I needed
it. Since I was AOG, I said, "Now." She said she'd send it next day.
Then, about a week later, I got a bill for next day shipping. $42.56. I
didn't pay it right away. A month later, I got a nasty-gram saying my
bill was being turned over for collection.
Not a very user-friendly company. Too bad they make such a nice
alternator.
Oh, my biggest gripe with their alternators is the location of the
studs for the battery and field.
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| Subject: | Over-Voltage relay |
Here is a first
You know the over-voltage relay moounted on the firewall on 78 and 79
Grummans? Today I found one that had been by-passed. It was still
there, the input/output had been bridged with an in-line connector.
Very weird. The same plane had the ground on the microphone (the one
on the console) was wired to the ground on the speaker. Then, there
was a noise filter on the radio. This Tiger is getting an all new
Garmin stack. So, to make room for the new stack, I had to remove
everything. What a mess. Lots of installs and no complete removals.
This plane has a history of electrical gremlins. Both Coms have been
sent out for repair 5 times in two years. The transponder was inop
most of the time. The owner will be really happy with the new stuff.
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The cowling is installed on 1976T. It didn't fit exactly the same as
the original installation. I think I know now why the clearances on
the stock cowling and baffles are so sloppy. The next step is to get
the cam locks installed and finish the painting of the cowling.
Once the cowling is approved, the first 5 installations will be $9500,
installed, painted to match. The DER wants me to install the first 5
for verification of the installation instructions. The DER will be
monitoring the instllation and comparing what I do to the actual
installtion.
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On a similar note . . . . is there any interest in a fiberglass copy of
the AA1 cowling?
Is there a difference in the cowlings based on year/model?
How about a hinged upper cowling?
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| Subject: | Misalignment of PP is unsightly on an AG5B |
You must of dealt with Mrs PP.
I dealt with Mr PP. Both seem to have a pissed attitude but MR PP is not quite
as 'short' as Mrs PP.
Mr PP flew his twin from granbury, Texas to my place in Oklahoma the morning of
July 4rth to troubleshoot the miss alignment of PP on the AG5B. Misalignment
of PP is unsightly on an AG5B.
Turned out that the Lycoming bracket as originally supplied from the factory had
been misdrilled and that the pulley mis alignment existed before PP entered
the picture. This discovered after trying every combination of PP brackets and
me mentioning that I had assumed that the original alternator was in alignment.
A quick reinstall of the original confirmed it had been out of alignment prior
to PPing.
So before one PP's be sure your alignment is good.
---- teamgrumman@aol.com wrote:
Just a heads up.
I replaced the alternator in an AG5B with the Plane Power Alternator.
If you are familiar with the PP Alternator installation, they use a
hardened bushing to center the alternator on the mounting bolt. After
installation, the pulley was off a good 1/8 to 3/16 inch from the ring
gear pulley. When I called PP, they said they've known about the
problem and it was because the bushing was machined wrong. They had
another bushing they'd SELL me. I told them it was there problem and I
shouldn't have to buy another bushing. She put me on hold for several
minutes and then said she'd send a new part. She asked when I needed
it. Since I was AOG, I said, "Now." She said she'd send it next day.
Then, about a week later, I got a bill for next day shipping. $42.56. I
didn't pay it right away. A month later, I got a nasty-gram saying my
bill was being turned over for collection.
Not a very user-friendly company. Too bad they make such a nice
alternator.
Oh, my biggest gripe with their alternators is the location of the
studs for the battery and field.
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| Subject: | Re: Over-Voltage relay |
How do you bypass the VR and get any kind of voltage regulation? Did the
plane have an automotive alternator with an integral VR?
Cliff
----- Original Message -----
From: <teamgrumman@aol.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 1:13 AM
Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Over-Voltage relay
>
> Here is a first
>
> You know the over-voltage relay moounted on the firewall on 78 and 79
> Grummans? Today I found one that had been by-passed. It was still there,
> the input/output had been bridged with an in-line connector. Very weird.
> The same plane had the ground on the microphone (the one on the console)
> was wired to the ground on the speaker. Then, there was a noise filter on
> the radio. This Tiger is getting an all new Garmin stack. So, to make
> room for the new stack, I had to remove everything. What a mess. Lots of
> installs and no complete removals. This plane has a history of electrical
> gremlins. Both Coms have been sent out for repair 5 times in two years.
> The transponder was inop most of the time. The owner will be really happy
> with the new stuff.
>
>
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I think there would be some interest in a cowling for the pre 75 Traveler,
if others are like mine they are getting tatty with previous repairs and
riveted doublers etc.
Robyn
VH-ETT 1973 Traveler
YPJT Western Australia
Soon to be in NZ
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
teamgrumman@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, 13 October 2007 4:25 PM
Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling update
The cowling is installed on 1976T. It didn't fit exactly the same as
the original installation. I think I know now why the clearances on
the stock cowling and baffles are so sloppy. The next step is to get
the cam locks installed and finish the painting of the cowling.
Once the cowling is approved, the first 5 installations will be $9500,
installed, painted to match. The DER wants me to install the first 5
for verification of the installation instructions. The DER will be
monitoring the instllation and comparing what I do to the actual
installtion.
--------
On a similar note . . . . is there any interest in a fiberglass copy of
the AA1 cowling?
Is there a difference in the cowlings based on year/model?
How about a hinged upper cowling?
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| Subject: | Re: Over-Voltage relay |
Cliff... over-voltage protection, not regulation.
The regulator is still connected.... gil A
At 06:34 AM 10/13/2007, you wrote:
>
>How do you bypass the VR and get any kind of voltage
>regulation? Did the plane have an automotive alternator with an integral VR?
>
>Cliff
>----- Original Message ----- From: <teamgrumman@aol.com>
>To: <teamgrumman-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 1:13 AM
>Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Over-Voltage relay
>
>
>>
>>Here is a first
>>
>>You know the over-voltage relay moounted on the firewall on 78 and
>>79 Grummans? Today I found one that had been by-passed. It was
>>still there, the input/output had been bridged with an in-line
>>connector. Very weird. The same plane had the ground on the
>>microphone (the one on the console) was wired to the ground on the
>>speaker. Then, there was a noise filter on the radio. This Tiger
>>is getting an all new Garmin stack. So, to make room for the new
>>stack, I had to remove everything. What a mess. Lots of installs
>>and no complete removals. This plane has a history of electrical
>>gremlins. Both Coms have been sent out for repair 5 times in two
>>years. The transponder was inop most of the time. The owner will
>>be really happy with the new stuff.
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| Subject: | Re: Over-Voltage relay |
I guess I read the email to fast! I've heard of the relay being by-passed
when the Zeftronics ACU with the integral over voltage relay is installed.
Cliff
----- Original Message -----
From: Gil Alexander
To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 8:26 AM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Over-Voltage relay
Cliff... over-voltage protection, not regulation.
The regulator is still connected.... gil A
At 06:34 AM 10/13/2007, you wrote:
om>
How do you bypass the VR and get any kind of voltage regulation=3F Did t
he plane have an automotive alternator with an integral VR=3F
Cliff
----- Original Message ----- From: <teamgrumman@aol.com>
To: <teamgrumman-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 1:13 AM
Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Over-Voltage relay
Here is a first
You know the over-voltage relay moounted on the firewall on 78 and 79
Grummans=3F Today I found one that had been by-passed. It was still there,
the input/output had been bridged with an in-line connector. Very weird.
The same plane had the ground on the microphone (the one on the console) wa
s wired to the ground on the speaker. Then, there was a noise filter on th
e radio. This Tiger is getting an all new Garmin stack. So, to make room
for the new stack, I had to remove everything. What a mess. Lots of insta
lls and no complete removals. This plane has a history of electrical greml
ins. Both Coms have been sent out for repair 5 times in two years. The tra
nsponder was inop most of the time. The owner will be really happy with th
e new stuff.
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| Subject: | Re: Cowling update |
Hi Robyn,
Are you talking about a copy of the Traveler cowling or converting my
cowling to a Traveler. I would love to put my cowling on a Traveler.
Problem is, I don't have one, I'm not going to buy one (although I have
considered buying a Cheetah), and so far, no one has given me one for
an unspecified length of time to work out the installation differences
and get it certified. Maybe after I've sold 20 or 30 cowlings and
recouped some of my money I'll consider buying a Traveler just for that
purpose. The pre '75 Traveler would be easier than the 75 and up
AA5/AA5A.
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: Robyn VK6XRE <vk6xre@waus.net>
Sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 7:51 am
Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling update
I think there would be some interest in a cowling for the pre 75
Traveler,
if others are like mine they are getting tatty with previous repairs and
riveted doublers etc.
Robyn
VH-ETT 1973 Traveler
YPJT Western Australia
Soon to be in NZ
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
teamgrumman@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, 13 October 2007 4:25 PM
Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling update
The cowling is installed on 1976T. It didn't fit exactly the same as
the original installation. I think I know now why the clearances on
the stock cowling and baffles are so sloppy. The next step is to get
the cam locks installed and finish the painting of the cowling.
Once the cowling is approved, the first 5 installations will be $9500,
installed, painted to match. The DER wants me to install the first 5
for verification of the installation instructions. The DER will be
monitoring the instllation and comparing what I do to the actual
installtion.
--------
On a similar note . . . . is there any interest in a fiberglass copy of
the AA1 cowling?
Is there a difference in the cowlings based on year/model?
How about a hinged upper cowling?
________________________________________________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: Over-Voltage relay |
The OVER-Voltage relay was by passed. The voltage regulator was still
there.
-----Original Message-----
From: flyv35b <flyv35b@minetfiber.com>
Sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 6:34 am
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Over-Voltage relay
<flyv35b@minetfiber.com>
How do you bypass the VR and get any kind of voltage regulation? Did
the
plane have an automotive alternator with an integral VR?
Cliff
----- Original Message -----
From: <teamgrumman@aol.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 1:13 AM
Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Over-Voltage relay
>
> Here is a first
>
> You know the over-voltage relay moounted on the firewall on 78 and 79
> Grummans? Today I found one that had been by-passed. It was still
there,
> the input/output had been bridged with an in-line connector. Very
weird.
> The same plane had the ground on the microphone (the one on the
console)
> was wired to the ground on the speaker. Then, there was a noise
filter on
> the radio. This Tiger is getting an all new Garmin stack. So, to
make
> room for the new stack, I had to remove everything. What a mess.
Lots of
> installs and no complete removals. This plane has a history of
electrical
> gremlins. Both Coms have been sent out for repair 5 times in two
years.
> The transponder was inop most of the time. The owner will be really
happy
> with the new stuff.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cowling update |
Yes, I think there is a lot of interest in replacement AA-1 cowls.? Of most interest
is replacement top cowls, but I assume that you could not make a replacement
fiberglass top cowl that would mate with the original metal bottom cowl.?
But I think (depending on price of coarse) there would be interest in a complete?replacement
top and bottom cowls.? The only change I am aware of from the
original AA-1 cowl to the last AA-1C is the nose bowl change to the square inlets
starting with the '76 B model and the C model.
Rich Harrison
AA-1B N1632Romeo
-----Original Message-----
From: teamgrumman@aol.com
Sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 1:25 am
Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling update
?
The cowling is installed on 1976T. It didn't fit exactly the same as the original
installation. I think I know now why the clearances on the stock cowling and
baffles are so sloppy. The next step is to get the cam locks installed and finish
the painting of the cowling.?
?
Once the cowling is approved, the first 5 installations will be $9500, installed,
painted to match. The DER wants me to install the first 5 for verification
of the installation instructions. The DER will be monitoring the instllation and
comparing what I do to the actual installtion.?
?
--------?
?
On a similar note . . . . is there any interest in a fiberglass copy of the AA1
cowling??
?
Is there a difference in the cowlings based on year/model??
?
How about a hinged upper cowling??
________________________________________________________________________?
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?
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