---------------------------------------------------------- TeamGrumman-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 10/13/07: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:55 AM - Alternators (teamgrumman@AOL.COM) 2. 01:13 AM - Over-Voltage relay (teamgrumman@AOL.COM) 3. 01:26 AM - Cowling update (teamgrumman@AOL.COM) 4. 06:13 AM - Misalignment of PP is unsightly on an AG5B () 5. 06:34 AM - Re: Over-Voltage relay (flyv35b) 6. 07:52 AM - Re: Cowling update (Robyn VK6XRE) 7. 08:37 AM - Re: Over-Voltage relay (Gil Alexander) 8. 08:46 AM - Re: Over-Voltage relay (flyv35b) 9. 12:05 PM - Re: Cowling update (teamgrumman@AOL.COM) 10. 12:05 PM - Re: Over-Voltage relay (teamgrumman@AOL.COM) 11. 09:25 PM - Re: Cowling update (n32romeo@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:55:38 AM PST US Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Alternators From: teamgrumman@AOL.COM Just a heads up. I replaced the alternator in an AG5B with the Plane Power Alternator. If you are familiar with the PP Alternator installation, they use a hardened bushing to center the alternator on the mounting bolt. After installation, the pulley was off a good 1/8 to 3/16 inch from the ring gear pulley. When I called PP, they said they've known about the problem and it was because the bushing was machined wrong. They had another bushing they'd SELL me. I told them it was there problem and I shouldn't have to buy another bushing. She put me on hold for several minutes and then said she'd send a new part. She asked when I needed it. Since I was AOG, I said, "Now." She said she'd send it next day. Then, about a week later, I got a bill for next day shipping. $42.56. I didn't pay it right away. A month later, I got a nasty-gram saying my bill was being turned over for collection. Not a very user-friendly company. Too bad they make such a nice alternator. Oh, my biggest gripe with their alternators is the location of the studs for the battery and field. ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:13:58 AM PST US Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Over-Voltage relay From: teamgrumman@AOL.COM Here is a first You know the over-voltage relay moounted on the firewall on 78 and 79 Grummans? Today I found one that had been by-passed. It was still there, the input/output had been bridged with an in-line connector. Very weird. The same plane had the ground on the microphone (the one on the console) was wired to the ground on the speaker. Then, there was a noise filter on the radio. This Tiger is getting an all new Garmin stack. So, to make room for the new stack, I had to remove everything. What a mess. Lots of installs and no complete removals. This plane has a history of electrical gremlins. Both Coms have been sent out for repair 5 times in two years. The transponder was inop most of the time. The owner will be really happy with the new stuff. ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:26:09 AM PST US Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling update From: teamgrumman@AOL.COM The cowling is installed on 1976T. It didn't fit exactly the same as the original installation. I think I know now why the clearances on the stock cowling and baffles are so sloppy. The next step is to get the cam locks installed and finish the painting of the cowling. Once the cowling is approved, the first 5 installations will be $9500, installed, painted to match. The DER wants me to install the first 5 for verification of the installation instructions. The DER will be monitoring the instllation and comparing what I do to the actual installtion. -------- On a similar note . . . . is there any interest in a fiberglass copy of the AA1 cowling? Is there a difference in the cowlings based on year/model? How about a hinged upper cowling? ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:13:04 AM PST US From: <923te@cox.net> Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Misalignment of PP is unsightly on an AG5B You must of dealt with Mrs PP. I dealt with Mr PP. Both seem to have a pissed attitude but MR PP is not quite as 'short' as Mrs PP. Mr PP flew his twin from granbury, Texas to my place in Oklahoma the morning of July 4rth to troubleshoot the miss alignment of PP on the AG5B. Misalignment of PP is unsightly on an AG5B. Turned out that the Lycoming bracket as originally supplied from the factory had been misdrilled and that the pulley mis alignment existed before PP entered the picture. This discovered after trying every combination of PP brackets and me mentioning that I had assumed that the original alternator was in alignment. A quick reinstall of the original confirmed it had been out of alignment prior to PPing. So before one PP's be sure your alignment is good. ---- teamgrumman@aol.com wrote: Just a heads up. I replaced the alternator in an AG5B with the Plane Power Alternator. If you are familiar with the PP Alternator installation, they use a hardened bushing to center the alternator on the mounting bolt. After installation, the pulley was off a good 1/8 to 3/16 inch from the ring gear pulley. When I called PP, they said they've known about the problem and it was because the bushing was machined wrong. They had another bushing they'd SELL me. I told them it was there problem and I shouldn't have to buy another bushing. She put me on hold for several minutes and then said she'd send a new part. She asked when I needed it. Since I was AOG, I said, "Now." She said she'd send it next day. Then, about a week later, I got a bill for next day shipping. $42.56. I didn't pay it right away. A month later, I got a nasty-gram saying my bill was being turned over for collection. Not a very user-friendly company. Too bad they make such a nice alternator. Oh, my biggest gripe with their alternators is the location of the studs for the battery and field. ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:34:30 AM PST US From: "flyv35b" Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Over-Voltage relay How do you bypass the VR and get any kind of voltage regulation? Did the plane have an automotive alternator with an integral VR? Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 1:13 AM Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Over-Voltage relay > > Here is a first > > You know the over-voltage relay moounted on the firewall on 78 and 79 > Grummans? Today I found one that had been by-passed. It was still there, > the input/output had been bridged with an in-line connector. Very weird. > The same plane had the ground on the microphone (the one on the console) > was wired to the ground on the speaker. Then, there was a noise filter on > the radio. This Tiger is getting an all new Garmin stack. So, to make > room for the new stack, I had to remove everything. What a mess. Lots of > installs and no complete removals. This plane has a history of electrical > gremlins. Both Coms have been sent out for repair 5 times in two years. > The transponder was inop most of the time. The owner will be really happy > with the new stuff. > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - > http://mail.aol.com > > > -- > 269.14.8/1066 - Release Date: 10/12/2007 11:10 AM > -- ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:52:19 AM PST US From: "Robyn VK6XRE" Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling update I think there would be some interest in a cowling for the pre 75 Traveler, if others are like mine they are getting tatty with previous repairs and riveted doublers etc. Robyn VH-ETT 1973 Traveler YPJT Western Australia Soon to be in NZ -----Original Message----- From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of teamgrumman@aol.com Sent: Saturday, 13 October 2007 4:25 PM Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling update The cowling is installed on 1976T. It didn't fit exactly the same as the original installation. I think I know now why the clearances on the stock cowling and baffles are so sloppy. The next step is to get the cam locks installed and finish the painting of the cowling. Once the cowling is approved, the first 5 installations will be $9500, installed, painted to match. The DER wants me to install the first 5 for verification of the installation instructions. The DER will be monitoring the instllation and comparing what I do to the actual installtion. -------- On a similar note . . . . is there any interest in a fiberglass copy of the AA1 cowling? Is there a difference in the cowlings based on year/model? How about a hinged upper cowling? ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:37:20 AM PST US From: Gil Alexander Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Over-Voltage relay Cliff... over-voltage protection, not regulation. The regulator is still connected.... gil A At 06:34 AM 10/13/2007, you wrote: > >How do you bypass the VR and get any kind of voltage >regulation? Did the plane have an automotive alternator with an integral VR? > >Cliff >----- Original Message ----- From: >To: >Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 1:13 AM >Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Over-Voltage relay > > >> >>Here is a first >> >>You know the over-voltage relay moounted on the firewall on 78 and >>79 Grummans? Today I found one that had been by-passed. It was >>still there, the input/output had been bridged with an in-line >>connector. Very weird. The same plane had the ground on the >>microphone (the one on the console) was wired to the ground on the >>speaker. Then, there was a noise filter on the radio. This Tiger >>is getting an all new Garmin stack. So, to make room for the new >>stack, I had to remove everything. What a mess. Lots of installs >>and no complete removals. This plane has a history of electrical >>gremlins. Both Coms have been sent out for repair 5 times in two >>years. The transponder was inop most of the time. The owner will >>be really happy with the new stuff. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:46:28 AM PST US From: "flyv35b" Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Over-Voltage relay I guess I read the email to fast! I've heard of the relay being by-passed when the Zeftronics ACU with the integral over voltage relay is installed. Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: Gil Alexander To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 8:26 AM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Over-Voltage relay Cliff... over-voltage protection, not regulation. The regulator is still connected.... gil A At 06:34 AM 10/13/2007, you wrote: om> How do you bypass the VR and get any kind of voltage regulation=3F Did t he plane have an automotive alternator with an integral VR=3F Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 1:13 AM Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Over-Voltage relay Here is a first You know the over-voltage relay moounted on the firewall on 78 and 79 Grummans=3F Today I found one that had been by-passed. It was still there, the input/output had been bridged with an in-line connector. Very weird. The same plane had the ground on the microphone (the one on the console) wa s wired to the ground on the speaker. Then, there was a noise filter on th e radio. This Tiger is getting an all new Garmin stack. So, to make room for the new stack, I had to remove everything. What a mess. Lots of insta lls and no complete removals. This plane has a history of electrical greml ins. Both Coms have been sent out for repair 5 times in two years. The tra nsponder was inop most of the time. 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I would love to put my cowling on a Traveler. Problem is, I don't have one, I'm not going to buy one (although I have considered buying a Cheetah), and so far, no one has given me one for an unspecified length of time to work out the installation differences and get it certified. Maybe after I've sold 20 or 30 cowlings and recouped some of my money I'll consider buying a Traveler just for that purpose. The pre '75 Traveler would be easier than the 75 and up AA5/AA5A. Gary -----Original Message----- From: Robyn VK6XRE Sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 7:51 am Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling update I think there would be some interest in a cowling for the pre 75 Traveler, if others are like mine they are getting tatty with previous repairs and riveted doublers etc. Robyn VH-ETT 1973 Traveler YPJT Western Australia Soon to be in NZ -----Original Message----- From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of teamgrumman@aol.com Sent: Saturday, 13 October 2007 4:25 PM Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling update The cowling is installed on 1976T. It didn't fit exactly the same as the original installation. I think I know now why the clearances on the stock cowling and baffles are so sloppy. The next step is to get the cam locks installed and finish the painting of the cowling. Once the cowling is approved, the first 5 installations will be $9500, installed, painted to match. The DER wants me to install the first 5 for verification of the installation instructions. The DER will be monitoring the instllation and comparing what I do to the actual installtion. -------- On a similar note . . . . is there any interest in a fiberglass copy of the AA1 cowling? Is there a difference in the cowlings based on year/model? How about a hinged upper cowling? ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:05:53 PM PST US Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Over-Voltage relay From: teamgrumman@AOL.COM The OVER-Voltage relay was by passed. The voltage regulator was still there. -----Original Message----- From: flyv35b Sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 6:34 am Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Over-Voltage relay How do you bypass the VR and get any kind of voltage regulation? Did the plane have an automotive alternator with an integral VR? Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 1:13 AM Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Over-Voltage relay > > Here is a first > > You know the over-voltage relay moounted on the firewall on 78 and 79 > Grummans? Today I found one that had been by-passed. It was still there, > the input/output had been bridged with an in-line connector. Very weird. > The same plane had the ground on the microphone (the one on the console) > was wired to the ground on the speaker. Then, there was a noise filter on > the radio. This Tiger is getting an all new Garmin stack. So, to make > room for the new stack, I had to remove everything. What a mess. Lots of > installs and no complete removals. This plane has a history of electrical > gremlins. Both Coms have been sent out for repair 5 times in two years. > The transponder was inop most of the time. The owner will be really happy > with the new stuff. > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - > http://mail.aol.com > > > > > > > -- > 269.14.8/1066 - Release Date: 10/12/2007 11:10 AM > -- ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:25:55 PM PST US Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling update From: n32romeo@aol.com Yes, I think there is a lot of interest in replacement AA-1 cowls.? Of most interest is replacement top cowls, but I assume that you could not make a replacement fiberglass top cowl that would mate with the original metal bottom cowl.? But I think (depending on price of coarse) there would be interest in a complete?replacement top and bottom cowls.? The only change I am aware of from the original AA-1 cowl to the last AA-1C is the nose bowl change to the square inlets starting with the '76 B model and the C model. Rich Harrison AA-1B N1632Romeo -----Original Message----- From: teamgrumman@aol.com Sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 1:25 am Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling update ? The cowling is installed on 1976T. It didn't fit exactly the same as the original installation. I think I know now why the clearances on the stock cowling and baffles are so sloppy. The next step is to get the cam locks installed and finish the painting of the cowling.? ? Once the cowling is approved, the first 5 installations will be $9500, installed, painted to match. The DER wants me to install the first 5 for verification of the installation instructions. The DER will be monitoring the instllation and comparing what I do to the actual installtion.? ? --------? ? On a similar note . . . . is there any interest in a fiberglass copy of the AA1 cowling?? ? Is there a difference in the cowlings based on year/model?? ? How about a hinged upper cowling?? ________________________________________________________________________? Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com? ? ? ? ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. 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