---------------------------------------------------------- TeamGrumman-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 12/14/07: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:41 AM - Re: Cowling update (Bruce Smith) 2. 05:12 AM - Re: Cowling update (flyv35b) 3. 10:44 AM - Re: Cowling update (teamgrumman@AOL.COM) 4. 11:24 AM - Re: Cowling update (Steve Roberts) 5. 12:33 PM - Re: Cowling update (flyv35b) 6. 01:04 PM - Re: Cowling update (flyv35b) 7. 02:44 PM - American Star issues (James Courtney) 8. 05:45 PM - Re: American Star issues (James Courtney) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:41:48 AM PST US From: Bruce Smith Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling update Some years ago, when you first started this quest for a new cowl, I asked you if you were going to tackle creating carbon fiber or composite ailerons and flaps. I recall your answer being a guarded "maybe" with the caveat that doing flight controls would be a whole can of worms (my words for your thoughts) and that in the long run, the cost probably wouldn't justify the effort. I truly believe it now. Bruce On Dec 14, 2007, at 1:32 AM, teamgrumman@aol.com wrote: > Their argument is: Since I didn't know what the pressure was in the > cowling lower deck (stock cowling) and since I changed the shape of > the cooling air inlet and the shape of the cooling air exhaust > ramps, I must have changed the pressure inside the cowling and > therefore changed the carb heat. PLUS, since I use a ROUND inlet > into the carburetor (on the baffle behind #3) how can they be sure > the air to the carburetor is the same (cooler or warmer). > > Draw your own conclusions. For what it's worth, it was the stock > cowling that didn't pass the test. The FAA wouldn't accept being > "as good or better than the stock configuration" for the testing. I > have to meet the current requirements of the FARs. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bruce Smith > To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com > Sent: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 2:18 pm > Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling update > > Gary, > > OK, I'm not the smartest person in the world, but wasn't the carb > heat source inside the cowl for the original cowling? Why would your > new cowl, which has better airflow through it, cause a difference > that would make the FAA go bonkers? > > It seems as though every obstacle you overcome, they throw up a new > one. Government in action. And people want to turn control of their > healthcare over to this government..... > > Bruce Smith > > > On Dec 13, 2007, at 3:08 PM, teamgrumman@aol.com wrote: > >> As I sit here and get ready to update, I wonder how many folks on >> the GG don't know anything at all aboout the cowling. >> >> The cowling is final back from the paint shop. He does good work; >> he's just slower than molasses. His specialty is custom cars and >> hot rods so he's always backed up on those. >> >> Regarding the carb heat test: I may have mentioned on here that >> the stock set-up with a PowerFlow didn't pass the carb heat test. >> The way the test is run, if it's hot outside, it's damn hard to >> pass the test. I missed it by 4 degrees. I'm hoping for 30 degree >> air. Then I only have to do one test. You see, even though I >> didn't change anything in the path, since the carb heat source is >> 'inside' the cowling, the FAA sees it as affecting carb heat. I >> need to get a 90 degree temperature rise out of it. On the stock >> cowling, I missed it by 4 degrees. By-the-way, I did find a couple >> of cold air leaks. Fixed those. >> >> I'm going to install the first production cowling today. I need to >> create the installation procedure of the cam locks as I go. That >> should be fun. Cross your fingers that I don't have a Grumman fly >> in on an emergency. >> >> Also, I've been fixing fuel leaks in a 2-seater. I hate those >> things. >> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List >> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> > > ution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > or?TeamGrumman-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List > p://forums.matronics.com > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:12:10 AM PST US From: "flyv35b" Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling update The factory should have provided a tapped hole or sealed bolt through the p lug so you could use a hammer puller to remove the plug! Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: teamgrumman@aol.com To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:22 PM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling update The =22O=22 rings on both inboard spar plugs were leaking. We had to remove the filler side to get one of them out. Used an 8 foot 2x4 to push it out. -----Original Message----- From: Steve Roberts To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com Sent: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 9:11 pm Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling update om> I thought it was the four place that was plagued with fuel leaks not the two place. What kind of fuel leak problems occur with the two place=3F First I've heard about this... We shall not cease from exploration. And at the end of all our exploring Will be to arrive were we started And know the place for the first time - T. S. Eliot Steve Roberts - AA-1B N641HY @ ILG ----Original Message Follows---- From: teamgrumman@aol.com To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling update Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:08:26 -0500 As I sit here and get ready to update, I wonder how many folks on the GG don't know anything at all aboout the cowling. The cowling is final back from the paint shop. He does good work; he's j ust slower than molasses. His specialty is custom cars and hot rods so he' s always backed up on those. Regarding the carb heat test: I may have mentioned on here that the stoc k set-up with a PowerFlow didn't pass the carb heat test. The way the test is run, if it's hot outside, it's damn hard to pass the test. I missed it by 4 degrees. I'm hoping for 30 degree air. Then I only have to do one t est. You see, even though I didn't change anything in the path, since the carb heat source is 'inside' the cowling, the FAA sees it as affecting carb heat. I need to get a 90 degree temperature rise out of it. On the stock cowling, I missed it by 4 degrees. By-the-way, I did find a couple of col d air leaks. Fixed those. I'm going to install the first production cowling today. I need to creat e the installation procedure of the cam locks as I go. That should be fun. Cross your fingers that I don't have a Grumman fly in on an emergency. Also, I've been fixing fuel leaks in a 2-seater. 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What kind of fuel leak problems occur with the two place? First I'v e heard about this...=C2- =C2- We shall not cease from exploration.=C2- And at the end of all our exploring=C2- Will be to arrive were we started=C2- And know the place for the first time - T. S. Eliot=C2- =C2- Steve Roberts - AA-1B N641HY @ ILG=C2- =C2- =C2- ----Original Message Follows----=C2- From: teamgrumman@aol.com=C2- teamgrumman-list@matronics.com=C2- teamgrumman-list@matronics.com=C2- Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling update=C2- -0500=C2- =C2- As I sit here and get ready to update, I wonder how many folks on the GG don't know anything at all aboout the cowling.=C2- =C2- =C2- The cowling is final back from the paint shop. =C2-He does good work; he's just slower than molasses. =C2-His specialty is custom cars and hot rods so he's always backed up on those. =C2-=C2- =C2- =C2- Regarding the carb heat test: =C2-I may have mentioned on here that the stock set-up with a PowerFlow didn't pass the carb heat test. =C2-The way the test is run, if it's hot outside, it's d amn hard to pass the test. =C2-I missed it by 4 degrees. =C2-I'm hoping fo r 30 degree air. =C2-Then I only have to do one test. =C2-You see, even tho ugh I didn't change anything in the path, since the carb heat source is 'insid e' the cowling, the FAA sees it as affecting carb heat. =C2-I need to get a 90 degree temperature rise out of it. =C2-On the stock cowling, I missed it by 4 degrees. =C2-By-the-way, I did find a couple of cold air leaks. =C2-Fixed those. =C2-=C2- =C2- =C2- I'm going to install the first production cowling today. =C2-I need to create the installatio n procedure of the cam locks as I go. =C2-That should be fun. =C2-Cross your fingers that I don't have a Grumman fly in on an emergency. =C2-=C2- =C2- =C2- Also, I've been fixing fuel leaks in a 2-seater. =C2-I hate those things.=C2-=C2- =C2- ________________________________________________________________________=C2 - aol.com=C2- =C2- =C2- ============C2- blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution=C2- ============C2- t" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List=C2 - ============C2- p://forums.matronics.com=C2- ============C2- =C2- ate: 12/13/2007 9:15 AM e in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now! ________________________________________________________________________ aol.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:24:34 AM PST US From: "Steve Roberts" Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling update Thanks guys. Still doesn't sound as bad as what a Cheetah owner freind of mine is going through right now with tank repairs... We shall not cease from exploration. And at the end of all our exploring Will be to arrive were we started And know the place for the first time - T. S. Eliot Steve Roberts - AA-1B N641HY @ ILG ----Original Message Follows---- From: "flyv35b" Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling update The factory should have provided a tapped hole or sealed bolt through the plug so you could use a hammer puller to remove the plug! Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: teamgrumman@aol.com To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:22 PM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling update The "O" rings on both inboard spar plugs were leaking. We had to remove the filler side to get one of them out. Used an 8 foot 2x4 to push it out. -----Original Message----- From: Steve Roberts To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com Sent: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 9:11 pm Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling update I thought it was the four place that was plagued with fuel leaks not the two place. What kind of fuel leak problems occur with the two place? First I've heard about this... We shall not cease from exploration. And at the end of all our exploring Will be to arrive were we started And know the place for the first time - T. S. Eliot Steve Roberts - AA-1B N641HY @ ILG ----Original Message Follows---- From: teamgrumman@aol.com To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling update Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:08:26 -0500 As I sit here and get ready to update, I wonder how many folks on the GG don't know anything at all aboout the cowling. The cowling is final back from the paint shop. He does good work; he's just slower than molasses. His specialty is custom cars and hot rods so he's always backed up on those. Regarding the carb heat test: I may have mentioned on here that the stock set-up with a PowerFlow didn't pass the carb heat test. The way the test is run, if it's hot outside, it's damn hard to pass the test. I missed it by 4 degrees. I'm hoping for 30 degree air. Then I only have to do one test. You see, even though I didn't change anything in the path, since the carb heat source is 'inside' the cowling, the FAA sees it as affecting carb heat. I need to get a 90 degree temperature rise out of it. On the stock cowling, I missed it by 4 degrees. By-the-way, I did find a couple of cold air leaks. Fixed those. I'm going to install the first production cowling today. I need to create the installation procedure of the cam locks as I go. That should be fun. Cross your fingers that I don't have a Grumman fly in on an emergency. Also, I've been fixing fuel leaks in a 2-seater. I hate those things. ________________________________________________________________________ aol.com ========== blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== t" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List ========== p://forums.matronics.com ========== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 07 9:15 AM -- ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:33:28 PM PST US From: "flyv35b" Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling update Absolutely! The center console plastic on the 2 seater is a PITA. I've th reatened to cut it in two pieces near the spar, rivet in a doubler and atta ch the two pieces with screws. Would make taking it out much much easier. Another example that engineers should be made to work on the products they design and you might see some improvements in serviceability. Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: teamgrumman@aol.com To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 10:39 AM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling update The factory should have put in access covers on all 2-seaters so you coul d take the damn thing apart. -----Original Message----- From: flyv35b To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com Sent: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 5:11 am Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling update The factory should have provided a tapped hole or sealed bolt through the plug so you could use a hammer puller to remove the plug! Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: teamgrumman@aol.com To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:22 PM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling update The =22O=22 rings on both inboard spar plugs were leaking. We had to remov e the filler side to get one of them out. Used an 8 foot 2x4 to push it ou t. -----Original Message----- From: Steve Roberts To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com Sent: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 9:11 pm Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling update .com> I thought it was the four place that was plagued with fuel leaks not th e two place. What kind of fuel leak problems occur with the two place=3F Firs t I've heard about this... We shall not cease from exploration. And at the end of all our exploring Will be to arrive were we started And know the place for the first time - T. S. Eliot Steve Roberts - AA-1B N641HY @ ILG ----Original Message Follows---- From: teamgrumman@aol.com To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling update Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:08:26 -0500 As I sit here and get ready to update, I wonder how many folks on the G G don't know anything at all aboout the cowling. The cowling is final back from the paint shop. He does good work; he's just slower than molasses. His specialty is custom cars and hot rods so h e's always backed up on those. Regarding the carb heat test: I may have mentioned on here that the st ock set-up with a PowerFlow didn't pass the carb heat test. The way the te st is run, if it's hot outside, it's damn hard to pass the test. I missed it by 4 degrees. I'm hoping for 30 degree air. Then I only have to do one test. You see, even though I didn't change anything in the path, since th e carb heat source is 'inside' the cowling, the FAA sees it as affecting ca rb heat. I need to get a 90 degree temperature rise out of it. On the sto ck cowling, I missed it by 4 degrees. By-the-way, I did find a couple of c old air leaks. Fixed those. I'm going to install the first production cowling today. I need to cre ate the installation procedure of the cam locks as I go. That should be fu n. Cross your fingers that I don't have a Grumman fly in on an emergency. Also, I've been fixing fuel leaks in a 2-seater. 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The center console plastic on the 2 seater is a PITA. I've threatened to cut it in two pieces near the spar, rivet in a doubler and attach the two pieces with screws. Would make taking it out much much easier. Another example that engineers should be made to work on the products they design and you might see some improvements in serviceability. Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: teamgrumman@aol.com To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 10:39 AM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling update The factory should have put in access covers on all 2-seaters so you could take the damn thing apart. -----Original Message----- From: flyv35b To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com Sent: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 5:11 am Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling update The factory should have provided a tapped hole or sealed bolt through the plug so you could use a hammer puller to remove the plug! Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: teamgrumman@aol.com To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:22 PM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling update The "O" rings on both inboard spar plugs were leaking. We had to remove the filler side to get one of them out. Used an 8 foot 2x4 to push it out. -----Original Message----- From: Steve Roberts To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com Sent: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 9:11 pm Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling update I thought it was the four place that was plagued with fuel leaks not the two place. What kind of fuel leak problems occur with the two place? First I've heard about this... We shall not cease from exploration. And at the end of all our exploring Will be to arrive were we started And know the place for the first time - T. S. Eliot Steve Roberts - AA-1B N641HY @ ILG ----Original Message Follows---- From: teamgrumman@aol.com To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling update Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:08:26 -0500 As I sit here and get ready to update, I wonder how many folks on the GG don't know anything at all aboout the cowling. The cowling is final back from the paint shop. He does good work; he's just slower than molasses. His specialty is custom cars and hot rods so he's always backed up on those. Regarding the carb heat test: I may have mentioned on here that the stock set-up with a PowerFlow didn't pass the carb heat test. The way the test is run, if it's hot outside, it's damn hard to pass the test. I missed it by 4 degrees. I'm hoping for 30 degree air. Then I only have to do one test. You see, even though I didn't change anything in the path, since the carb heat source is 'inside' the cowling, the FAA sees it as affecting carb heat. I need to get a 90 degree temperature rise out of it. On the stock cowling, I missed it by 4 degrees. By-the-way, I did find a couple of cold air leaks. Fixed those. I'm going to install the first production cowling today. I need to create the installation procedure of the cam locks as I go. That should be fun. Cross your fingers that I don't have a Grumman fly in on an emergency. Also, I've been fixing fuel leaks in a 2-seater. 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