---------------------------------------------------------- TeamGrumman-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 01/29/08: 1 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 11:55 AM - Cowling Update (teamgrumman@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 11:55:54 AM PST US Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling Update From: teamgrumman@aol.com Well, we're getting close. =C2-I can tell by the size of the invoices the DER/DAR sends me. =C2- Last week, the DER team met with the ACO in Long Beach, CA. =C2-Of the iss ues was (1) the FAA wants to do the flight test. =C2-Yep, they want us (me ) to wait around until they get a free trip to Auburn so they can fly the pl ane. =C2-(2) They want a performance test. =C2-Yep, they want to see if it meets the factory book speeds. =C2-Gee, let's see, how many stock plane s meet the books specs? =C2-(3) They want a climb-cooling test. =C2-Of a ll the requests the FAA has even mentioned, this is the only one that makes sense. =C2-(4) they want a dive test to 224 miles per hour. =C2-OK, this might be justified, just to see if it stays together. =C2-(5) They want a carb heat test. =C2-And . . . =C2-they want it done at 1000 feet, 5000 feet and 10,000 feet at full power. =C2-Then, they want it repeated in 30 degree air at 75% power. =C2-Now, mind you, I have done absolutely nothing the affect the performance of carb heat. =C2-(6) They want to do their ow n structural analysis. =C2-Even though I paid a DER structural engineer to do the analysis and they want to dive it to 224 mph and I've been flying it for 5 years, they still want to do their own structural analysis. =C2-and , (7) =C2-the next step . . . =C2-is, they want to do a flame test. =C2 -Since there is NO criteria for a fiberglass cowling to meet ANY burn test s specifications, they pick the one test that they interpret to mean it has to be as fire resistant as an aluminum part. =C2-So, do all fiberglass cow lings have to meet this requirement? =C2-if so, why the hell isn't there a basis which says, "given this epoxy and this glass/carbon mat, it will pass the test."? =C2-I mean, I know for a fact that I'm not the only person to ever produce a fiberglass cowling. =C2-OH, YEA, and, by-the-way, the test ing HAS to be done at a National Lab. =C2-The minimum cost to do the test is $3,000. =C2-I need to do at least two tests because some of the cowling has no foam core and some does. =C2- So, there you have it: =C2-a minimum of 4 flight tests, a very expensive b urn test, and waiting for the FAA to get around to doing their own structura l analysis. =C2- My DER is working hard to convince the FAA that the structural analysis is g ood as is. =C2-He is also trying to word the test plan so that we take adv antage of the best flight conditions when they occur. =C2-That means, we'l l get to do the flight testing. =C2- ________________________________________________________________________ aol.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message teamgrumman-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/TeamGrumman-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/teamgrumman-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/teamgrumman-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.