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4. 10:28 AM - Re: Bounced from the Grumman Gang (Marc Coan)
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| Subject: | Bounced from the Grumman Gang |
Once again I got bounced from the Grumman Gang. =C2-What a pain in the ass
. =C2-That dickhead running it must not want any real conversation regardi
ng planes. =C2-I've read my posts over the last few days and I see nothing
it it that is the least bit offensive. =C2-So, what-the-f*ck?
I guess he has . . . . . =C2-never mind. =C2-The little Hitler/Napoleon
=C2-needs to get a life and let the users determine what they want to list
en to or not. =C2-Kind of like China, anything said must be approved by th
e state. =C2-=C2-The little f*ck anyway.
Whatever. =C2-I'm tired of his childish bullsh*t.
I was about to abandon TeamGrumman-List. =C2-Once again, it comes through
when the GG doesn't. =C2-
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| Subject: | Bounced from the Grumman Gang |
Gary don't abandon it. Hang in there. I've been helping with getting the AYA
forum going with Don Metz, Richard Hensley and Nigel Thomas. I imagine in
time I'll start getting booted from the GG as well for being part of
something that *competes* with his illustrious list. Feel free to come check
out the AYA forum <www.ayaforum.org> One does not need to be an AYA member
to join but it does have small benefits if you are.
We shall not cease from exploration.
And at the end of all our exploring
Will be to arrive were we started
And know the place for the first time - T. S. Eliot
Steve Roberts - AA-1B N641HY @ ILG
----Original Message Follows----
From: teamgrumman@aol.com
Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Bounced from the Grumman Gang
Once again I got bounced from the Grumman Gang. What a pain in the ass.
That dickhead running it must not want any real conversation regarding
planes. I've read my posts over the last few days and I see nothing it it
that is the least bit offensive. So, what-the-f*ck?
I guess he has . . . . . never mind. The little Hitler/Napoleonneeds
to get a life and let the users determine what they want to listen to or
not. Kind of like China, anything said must be approved by the state.
The little f*ck anyway.
Whatever. I'm tired of his childish bullsh*t.
I was about to abandon TeamGrumman-List. Once again, it comes through when
the GG doesn't.
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| Subject: | Re: Bounced from the Grumman Gang |
I've played his silly f*cking game now for 10 years. =C2-The little f*ck n
eeds a life. =C2-I started TeamGrumman-List because I got bounced for send
ing a "Merry Christmas" to all of the Grumman owners. =C2-F*ck him. =C2
-He has too big of an inflated image of himself. =C2-
Now, do you want to know how I really feel?
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Roberts <aa1bflyboy@msn.com>
Sent: Tue, 27 May 2008 9:55 am
Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Bounced from the Grumman Gang
=C2-
=C2-
Gary don't abandon it. Hang in there. I've been helping with getting the AYA
forum going with Don Metz, Richard Hensley and Nigel Thomas. I imagine in
time I'll start getting booted from the GG as well for being part of
something that *competes* with his illustrious list. Feel free to come check
out the AYA forum <www.ayaforum.org> One does not need to be an AYA member
to join but it does have small benefits if you are.=C2-
=C2-
We shall not cease from exploration.=C2-
And at the end of all our exploring=C2-
Will be to arrive were we started=C2-
And know the place for the first time - T. S. Eliot=C2-
=C2-
Steve Roberts - AA-1B N641HY @ ILG=C2-
=C2-
=C2-
----Original Message Follows----=C2-
From: teamgrumman@aol.com=C2-
Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Bounced from the Grumman Gang=C2-
=C2-
Once again I got bounced from the Grumman Gang. =C2-What a pain in the ass
.
=C2-That dickhead running it must not want any real conversation regarding
planes. =C2-I've read my posts over the last few days and I see nothing it
it
that is the least bit offensive. =C2-So, what-the-f*ck?=C2-
=C2-
=C2-
I guess he has . . . . . =C2-never mind. =C2-The little Hitler/Napoleon
=C2-needs
to get a life and let the users determine what they want to listen to or
not. =C2-Kind of like China, anything said must be approved by the state.
=C2-=C2-The little f*ck anyway.=C2-
=C2-
=C2-
Whatever. =C2-I'm tired of his childish bullsh*t.=C2-
=C2-
=C2-
I was about to abandon TeamGrumman-List. =C2-Once again, it comes through
when
the GG doesn't. =C2-=C2-
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| Subject: | Re: Bounced from the Grumman Gang |
You guys think the GG is bad, you should see the Cardinal Flyers Online
for Cessna 177 folks. I paid him $39/yr., and he has to approve (and
make endless comments on) every post. If he doesn't like what you have
to say (doesn't happen often), he squashes it. I just want to read what
the posters have to say, not the admin's.
Marc Coan,
Santa Fe, NM
----- Original Message -----
From: teamgrumman@aol.com
To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Bounced from the Grumman Gang
I've played his silly f*cking game now for 10 years. The little f*ck
needs a life. I started TeamGrumman-List because I got bounced for
sending a "Merry Christmas" to all of the Grumman owners. F*ck him. He
has too big of an inflated image of himself.
Now, do you want to know how I really feel?
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Roberts <aa1bflyboy@msn.com>
To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tue, 27 May 2008 9:55 am
Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Bounced from the Grumman Gang
<aa1bflyboy@msn.com>
Gary don't abandon it. Hang in there. I've been helping with getting
the AYA forum going with Don Metz, Richard Hensley and Nigel Thomas. I
imagine in time I'll start getting booted from the GG as well for being
part of something that *competes* with his illustrious list. Feel free
to come check out the AYA forum <www.ayaforum.org> One does not need to
be an AYA member to join but it does have small benefits if you are.
We shall not cease from exploration.
And at the end of all our exploring
Will be to arrive were we started
And know the place for the first time - T. S. Eliot
Steve Roberts - AA-1B N641HY @ ILG
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From: teamgrumman@aol.com
To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Bounced from the Grumman Gang
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 12:37:50 -0400
Once again I got bounced from the Grumman Gang. What a pain in the
ass. That dickhead running it must not want any real conversation
regarding planes. I've read my posts over the last few days and I see
nothing it it that is the least bit offensive. So, what-the-f*ck?
I guess he has . . . . . never mind. The little Hitler/Napoleon
needs to get a life and let the users determine what they want to listen
to or not. Kind of like China, anything said must be approved by the
state. The little f*ck anyway.
Whatever. I'm tired of his childish bullsh*t.
I was about to abandon TeamGrumman-List. Once again, it comes through
when the GG doesn't.
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Astounding that people have so little else to do and are so convinced of
their own ability to determine what the dialog should be. Has anyone
just called the prick out at the AYA convention or posted an article in
the Star pointing out his history as the list Nazi?
I=99m sure lots of folks would say to not bite the hand that feeds
you yet that=99s how you end up with governments that tax you into
submission, or trample your basic freedoms, etc. It=99s not like
setting up a mailing list is rocket science or even expensive or
resource intensive.
I=99ve had several posts I thought were quite constructive never
make it onto the list over the years. Why, who knows
Jamey
From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marc
Coan
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 10:24 AM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Bounced from the Grumman Gang
You guys think the GG is bad, you should see the Cardinal Flyers Online
for Cessna 177 folks. I paid him $39/yr., and he has to approve (and
make endless comments on) every post. If he doesn't like what you have
to say (doesn't happen often), he squashes it. I just want to read what
the posters have to say, not the admin's.
Marc Coan,
Santa Fe, NM
----- Original Message -----
From: HYPERLINK "mailto:teamgrumman@aol.com"teamgrumman@aol.com
"mailto:teamgrumman-list@matronics.com"teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Bounced from the Grumman Gang
I've played his silly f*cking game now for 10 years. The little f*ck
needs a life. I started TeamGrumman-List because I got bounced for
sending a "Merry Christmas" to all of the Grumman owners. F*ck him. He
has too big of an inflated image of himself.
Now, do you want to know how I really feel?
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Roberts <aa1bflyboy@msn.com>
Sent: Tue, 27 May 2008 9:55 am
Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Bounced from the Grumman Gang
"mailto:aa1bflyboy@msn.com"aa1bflyboy@msn.com>
Gary don't abandon it. Hang in there. I've been helping with getting the
AYA forum going with Don Metz, Richard Hensley and Nigel Thomas. I
imagine in time I'll start getting booted from the GG as well for being
part of something that *competes* with his illustrious list. Feel free
to come check out the AYA forum <HYPERLINK "http://www.ayaforum.org"
\nwww.ayaforum.org> One does not need to be an AYA member to join but it
does have small benefits if you are.
We shall not cease from exploration.
And at the end of all our exploring
Will be to arrive were we started
And know the place for the first time - T. S. Eliot
Steve Roberts - AA-1B N641HY @ ILG
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Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Bounced from the Grumman Gang
Once again I got bounced from the Grumman Gang. What a pain in the ass.
That dickhead running it must not want any real conversation regarding
planes. I've read my posts over the last few days and I see nothing it
it that is the least bit offensive. So, what-the-f*ck?
I guess he has . . . . . never mind. The little Hitler/Napoleon needs
to get a life and let the users determine what they want to listen to or
not. Kind of like China, anything said must be approved by the state.
The little f*ck anyway.
Whatever. I'm tired of his childish bullsh*t.
I was about to abandon TeamGrumman-List. Once again, it comes through
when the GG doesn't.
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OK, so I don't post that much on the GG. Most times I'll respond to the
original author of a question or concern (I'm not one of the experts). How
ever,
when one of my postings doesn't get published that I believe is relevant an
d
not against the rules, I'll write Mark a note asking why the posting was no
t
published. When not published it is usually because I've copied into my
response a portion of the original author's note or copied a hyperlink (as
a
hyperlink). On other occasions the posting I made was subsequently publish
ed.
I know this doesn't answer all the questions, but this has been my experein
ce.
Bests,
Roger Rucker
AA5A '78 HWO
In a message dated 05/27/2008 7:44:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jamey@jamescourtney.net writes:
Astounding that people have so little else to do and are so convinced of
their own ability to determine what the dialog should be. Has anyone just
called the prick out at the AYA convention or posted an article in the Star
pointing out his history as the list Nazi?
I=99m sure lots of folks would say to not bite the hand that feeds yo
u yet that
=99s how you end up with governments that tax you into submission, or
trample
your basic freedoms, etc. It=99s not like setting up a mailing list
is rocket
science or even expensive or resource intensive.
I=99ve had several posts I thought were quite constructive never make
it onto
the list over the years. Why, who knows
Jamey
From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marc Coan
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 10:24 AM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Bounced from the Grumman Gang
You guys think the GG is bad, you should see the Cardinal Flyers Online for
Cessna 177 folks. I paid him $39/yr., and he has to approve (and make endle
ss
comments on) every post. If he doesn't like what you have to say (doesn't
happen often), he squashes it. I just want to read what the posters have to
say, not the admin's.
Marc Coan,
Santa Fe, NM
----- Original Message -----
From: _teamgrumman@aol.com_ (mailto:teamgrumman@aol.com)
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Bounced from the Grumman Gang
I've played his silly f*cking game now for 10 years. The little f*ck needs
a
life. I started TeamGrumman-List because I got bounced for sending a "Merr
y
Christmas" to all of the Grumman owners. F*ck him. He has too big of an
inflated image of himself.
Now, do you want to know how I really feel?
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Roberts <aa1bflyboy@msn.com>
Sent: Tue, 27 May 2008 9:55 am
Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Bounced from the Grumman Gang
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "Steve Roberts"
<_aa1bflyboy@msn.com_ (mailto:aa1bflyboy@msn.com) >
Gary don't abandon it. Hang in there. I've been helping with getting the AY
A
forum going with Don Metz, Richard Hensley and Nigel Thomas. I imagine in
time I'll start getting booted from the GG as well for being part of someth
ing
that *competes* with his illustrious list. Feel free to come check out the
AYA forum <_www.ayaforum.org_ (http://www.ayaforum.org/) > One does not nee
d
to be an AYA member to join but it does have small benefits if you are.
We shall not cease from exploration.
And at the end of all our exploring
Will be to arrive were we started
And know the place for the first time - T. S. Eliot
Steve Roberts - AA-1B N641HY @ ILG
----Original Message Follows----
From: _teamgrumman@aol.com_ (mailto:teamgrumman@aol.com)
(mailto:teamgrumman-list@matronics.com)
)
Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Bounced from the Grumman Gang
Once again I got bounced from the Grumman Gang. What a pain in the ass.
That dickhead running it must not want any real conversation regarding plan
es.
I've read my posts over the last few days and I see nothing it it that is
the least bit offensive. So, what-the-f*ck?
I guess he has . . . . . never mind. The little Hitler/Napoleon needs to
get a life and let the users determine what they want to listen to or not.
Kind of like China, anything said must be approved by the state. The little
f*ck anyway.
Whatever. I'm tired of his childish bullsh*t.
I was about to abandon TeamGrumman-List. Once again, it comes through when
the GG doesn't.
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I've had similar experiences with inexplainable censorship on the GG. Some members
seem to have been granted immunity and their posts are published regardless
of content and adherence to the forum's strict guidelines. If you aren't in
that group the rules aren't quite as posted. It's not good for the community.
--- jamey@jamescourtney.net wrote:
From: "James Courtney" <jamey@jamescourtney.net>
Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Bounced from the Grumman Gang
Astounding that people have so little else to do and are so convinced of their
own ability to determine what the dialog should be. Has anyone just called the
prick out at the AYA convention or posted an article in the Star pointing out
his history as the list Nazi?
Im sure lots of folks would say to not bite the hand that feeds you yet thats how
you end up with governments that tax you into submission, or trample your basic
freedoms, etc. Its not like setting up a mailing list is rocket science
or even expensive or resource intensive.
Ive had several posts I thought were quite constructive never make it onto the
list over the years. Why, who knows
Jamey
From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marc Coan
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 10:24 AM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Bounced from the Grumman Gang
You guys think the GG is bad, you should see the Cardinal Flyers Online for Cessna
177 folks. I paid him $39/yr., and he has to approve (and make endless comments
on) every post. If he doesn't like what you have to say (doesn't happen
often), he squashes it. I just want to read what the posters have to say, not
the admin's.
Marc Coan,
Santa Fe, NM
----- Original Message -----
From: HYPERLINK "mailto:teamgrumman@aol.com"teamgrumman@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Bounced from the Grumman Gang
I've played his silly f*cking game now for 10 years. The little f*ck needs a life.
I started TeamGrumman-List because I got bounced for sending a "Merry Christmas"
to all of the Grumman owners. F*ck him. He has too big of an inflated
image of himself.
Now, do you want to know how I really feel?
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Roberts <aa1bflyboy@msn.com>
Sent: Tue, 27 May 2008 9:55 am
Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Bounced from the Grumman Gang
Gary don't abandon it. Hang in there. I've been helping with getting the AYA forum going with Don Metz, Richard Hensley and Nigel Thomas. I imagine in time I'll start getting booted from the GG as well for being part of something that *competes* with his illustrious list. Feel free to come check out the AYA forum <HYPERLINK "http://www.ayaforum.org" \nwww.ayaforum.org> One does not need to be an AYA member to join but it does have small benefits if you are.
We shall not cease from exploration.
And at the end of all our exploring
Will be to arrive were we started
And know the place for the first time - T. S. Eliot
Steve Roberts - AA-1B N641HY @ ILG
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Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Bounced from the Grumman Gang
Once again I got bounced from the Grumman Gang. What a pain in the ass. That
dickhead running it must not want any real conversation regarding planes. I've
read my posts over the last few days and I see nothing it it that is the least
bit offensive. So, what-the-f*ck?
I guess he has . . . . . never mind. The little Hitler/Napoleon needs to get
a life and let the users determine what they want to listen to or not. Kind of
like China, anything said must be approved by the state. The little f*ck anyway.
Whatever. I'm tired of his childish bullsh*t.
I was about to abandon TeamGrumman-List. Once again, it comes through when the
GG doesn't.
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