---------------------------------------------------------- TeamGrumman-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 05/27/08: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 09:40 AM - Bounced from the Grumman Gang (teamgrumman@aol.com) 2. 10:01 AM - Re: Bounced from the Grumman Gang (Steve Roberts) 3. 10:10 AM - Re: Bounced from the Grumman Gang (teamgrumman@aol.com) 4. 10:28 AM - Re: Bounced from the Grumman Gang (Marc Coan) 5. 04:42 PM - Re: Bounced from the Grumman Gang (James Courtney) 6. 05:37 PM - Re: Bounced from the Grumman Gang (N26390@aol.com) 7. 05:37 PM - Re: Bounced from the Grumman Gang (N Harney) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 09:40:29 AM PST US Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Bounced from the Grumman Gang From: teamgrumman@aol.com Once again I got bounced from the Grumman Gang. =C2-What a pain in the ass . =C2-That dickhead running it must not want any real conversation regardi ng planes. =C2-I've read my posts over the last few days and I see nothing it it that is the least bit offensive. =C2-So, what-the-f*ck? I guess he has . . . . . =C2-never mind. =C2-The little Hitler/Napoleon =C2-needs to get a life and let the users determine what they want to list en to or not. =C2-Kind of like China, anything said must be approved by th e state. =C2-=C2-The little f*ck anyway. Whatever. =C2-I'm tired of his childish bullsh*t. I was about to abandon TeamGrumman-List. =C2-Once again, it comes through when the GG doesn't. =C2- ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:01:05 AM PST US From: "Steve Roberts" Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Bounced from the Grumman Gang Gary don't abandon it. Hang in there. I've been helping with getting the AYA forum going with Don Metz, Richard Hensley and Nigel Thomas. I imagine in time I'll start getting booted from the GG as well for being part of something that *competes* with his illustrious list. Feel free to come check out the AYA forum One does not need to be an AYA member to join but it does have small benefits if you are. We shall not cease from exploration. And at the end of all our exploring Will be to arrive were we started And know the place for the first time - T. S. Eliot Steve Roberts - AA-1B N641HY @ ILG ----Original Message Follows---- From: teamgrumman@aol.com Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Bounced from the Grumman Gang Once again I got bounced from the Grumman Gang. What a pain in the ass. That dickhead running it must not want any real conversation regarding planes. I've read my posts over the last few days and I see nothing it it that is the least bit offensive. So, what-the-f*ck? I guess he has . . . . . never mind. The little Hitler/Napoleonneeds to get a life and let the users determine what they want to listen to or not. Kind of like China, anything said must be approved by the state. The little f*ck anyway. Whatever. I'm tired of his childish bullsh*t. I was about to abandon TeamGrumman-List. Once again, it comes through when the GG doesn't. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:10:13 AM PST US Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Bounced from the Grumman Gang From: teamgrumman@aol.com I've played his silly f*cking game now for 10 years. =C2-The little f*ck n eeds a life. =C2-I started TeamGrumman-List because I got bounced for send ing a "Merry Christmas" to all of the Grumman owners. =C2-F*ck him. =C2 -He has too big of an inflated image of himself. =C2- Now, do you want to know how I really feel? -----Original Message----- From: Steve Roberts Sent: Tue, 27 May 2008 9:55 am Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Bounced from the Grumman Gang =C2- =C2- Gary don't abandon it. Hang in there. I've been helping with getting the AYA forum going with Don Metz, Richard Hensley and Nigel Thomas. I imagine in time I'll start getting booted from the GG as well for being part of something that *competes* with his illustrious list. Feel free to come check out the AYA forum One does not need to be an AYA member to join but it does have small benefits if you are.=C2- =C2- We shall not cease from exploration.=C2- And at the end of all our exploring=C2- Will be to arrive were we started=C2- And know the place for the first time - T. S. Eliot=C2- =C2- Steve Roberts - AA-1B N641HY @ ILG=C2- =C2- =C2- ----Original Message Follows----=C2- From: teamgrumman@aol.com=C2- Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Bounced from the Grumman Gang=C2- =C2- Once again I got bounced from the Grumman Gang. =C2-What a pain in the ass . =C2-That dickhead running it must not want any real conversation regarding planes. =C2-I've read my posts over the last few days and I see nothing it it that is the least bit offensive. =C2-So, what-the-f*ck?=C2- =C2- =C2- I guess he has . . . . . =C2-never mind. =C2-The little Hitler/Napoleon =C2-needs to get a life and let the users determine what they want to listen to or not. =C2-Kind of like China, anything said must be approved by the state. =C2-=C2-The little f*ck anyway.=C2- =C2- =C2- Whatever. =C2-I'm tired of his childish bullsh*t.=C2- =C2- =C2- I was about to abandon TeamGrumman-List. =C2-Once again, it comes through when the GG doesn't. =C2-=C2- =C2- =C2- ============C2- ============C2- ============C2- ============C2- =C2- ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:28:22 AM PST US From: "Marc Coan" Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Bounced from the Grumman Gang You guys think the GG is bad, you should see the Cardinal Flyers Online for Cessna 177 folks. I paid him $39/yr., and he has to approve (and make endless comments on) every post. If he doesn't like what you have to say (doesn't happen often), he squashes it. I just want to read what the posters have to say, not the admin's. Marc Coan, Santa Fe, NM ----- Original Message ----- From: teamgrumman@aol.com To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 11:07 AM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Bounced from the Grumman Gang I've played his silly f*cking game now for 10 years. The little f*ck needs a life. I started TeamGrumman-List because I got bounced for sending a "Merry Christmas" to all of the Grumman owners. F*ck him. He has too big of an inflated image of himself. Now, do you want to know how I really feel? -----Original Message----- From: Steve Roberts To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com Sent: Tue, 27 May 2008 9:55 am Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Bounced from the Grumman Gang Gary don't abandon it. Hang in there. I've been helping with getting the AYA forum going with Don Metz, Richard Hensley and Nigel Thomas. I imagine in time I'll start getting booted from the GG as well for being part of something that *competes* with his illustrious list. Feel free to come check out the AYA forum One does not need to be an AYA member to join but it does have small benefits if you are. We shall not cease from exploration. And at the end of all our exploring Will be to arrive were we started And know the place for the first time - T. S. Eliot Steve Roberts - AA-1B N641HY @ ILG ----Original Message Follows---- From: teamgrumman@aol.com To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Bounced from the Grumman Gang Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 12:37:50 -0400 Once again I got bounced from the Grumman Gang. What a pain in the ass. That dickhead running it must not want any real conversation regarding planes. I've read my posts over the last few days and I see nothing it it that is the least bit offensive. So, what-the-f*ck? I guess he has . . . . . never mind. The little Hitler/Napoleon needs to get a life and let the users determine what they want to listen to or not. Kind of like China, anything said must be approved by the state. The little f*ck anyway. Whatever. I'm tired of his childish bullsh*t. I was about to abandon TeamGrumman-List. Once again, it comes through when the GG doesn't. =========== t" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List =========== p://forums.matronics.com =========== blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution =========== ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Stay informed, get connected and more with AOL on your phone. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:42:55 PM PST US From: "James Courtney" Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Bounced from the Grumman Gang Astounding that people have so little else to do and are so convinced of their own ability to determine what the dialog should be. Has anyone just called the prick out at the AYA convention or posted an article in the Star pointing out his history as the list Nazi? I=99m sure lots of folks would say to not bite the hand that feeds you yet that=99s how you end up with governments that tax you into submission, or trample your basic freedoms, etc. It=99s not like setting up a mailing list is rocket science or even expensive or resource intensive. I=99ve had several posts I thought were quite constructive never make it onto the list over the years. Why, who knows Jamey From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marc Coan Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 10:24 AM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Bounced from the Grumman Gang You guys think the GG is bad, you should see the Cardinal Flyers Online for Cessna 177 folks. I paid him $39/yr., and he has to approve (and make endless comments on) every post. If he doesn't like what you have to say (doesn't happen often), he squashes it. I just want to read what the posters have to say, not the admin's. Marc Coan, Santa Fe, NM ----- Original Message ----- From: HYPERLINK "mailto:teamgrumman@aol.com"teamgrumman@aol.com "mailto:teamgrumman-list@matronics.com"teamgrumman-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 11:07 AM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Bounced from the Grumman Gang I've played his silly f*cking game now for 10 years. The little f*ck needs a life. I started TeamGrumman-List because I got bounced for sending a "Merry Christmas" to all of the Grumman owners. F*ck him. He has too big of an inflated image of himself. Now, do you want to know how I really feel? -----Original Message----- From: Steve Roberts Sent: Tue, 27 May 2008 9:55 am Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Bounced from the Grumman Gang "mailto:aa1bflyboy@msn.com"aa1bflyboy@msn.com> Gary don't abandon it. Hang in there. I've been helping with getting the AYA forum going with Don Metz, Richard Hensley and Nigel Thomas. I imagine in time I'll start getting booted from the GG as well for being part of something that *competes* with his illustrious list. Feel free to come check out the AYA forum One does not need to be an AYA member to join but it does have small benefits if you are. We shall not cease from exploration. And at the end of all our exploring Will be to arrive were we started And know the place for the first time - T. S. Eliot Steve Roberts - AA-1B N641HY @ ILG ----Original Message Follows---- From: HYPERLINK "mailto:teamgrumman@aol.com"teamgrumman@aol.com "mailto:teamgrumman-list@matronics.com"teamgrumman-list@matronics.com "mailto:teamgrumman-list@matronics.com"teamgrumman-list@matronics.com Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Bounced from the Grumman Gang Once again I got bounced from the Grumman Gang. What a pain in the ass. That dickhead running it must not want any real conversation regarding planes. I've read my posts over the last few days and I see nothing it it that is the least bit offensive. So, what-the-f*ck? I guess he has . . . . . never mind. The little Hitler/Napoleon needs to get a life and let the users determine what they want to listen to or not. Kind of like China, anything said must be approved by the state. The little f*ck anyway. Whatever. I'm tired of his childish bullsh*t. I was about to abandon TeamGrumman-List. Once again, it comes through when the GG doesn't. =========== t" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List =========== p://forums.matronics.com =========== blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution =========== _____ Stay informed, get connected and more HYPERLINK "http://mobile.aol.com/productOverview.jsp?productOverview=aol-mobile-o verview&?ncid=aolmbd00030000000139" \nwith AOL on your phone. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List">http://www.m atronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List"http://www.matronics .com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List "http://forums.matronics.com"http://forums.matronics.com "http://www.matronics.com/contribution"http://www.matronics.com/contribut ion Checked by AVG. 5/27/2008 1:25 PM Checked by AVG. 5/27/2008 1:25 PM ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:37:32 PM PST US From: N26390@aol.com Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Bounced from the Grumman Gang OK, so I don't post that much on the GG. Most times I'll respond to the original author of a question or concern (I'm not one of the experts). How ever, when one of my postings doesn't get published that I believe is relevant an d not against the rules, I'll write Mark a note asking why the posting was no t published. When not published it is usually because I've copied into my response a portion of the original author's note or copied a hyperlink (as a hyperlink). On other occasions the posting I made was subsequently publish ed. I know this doesn't answer all the questions, but this has been my experein ce. Bests, Roger Rucker AA5A '78 HWO In a message dated 05/27/2008 7:44:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jamey@jamescourtney.net writes: Astounding that people have so little else to do and are so convinced of their own ability to determine what the dialog should be. Has anyone just called the prick out at the AYA convention or posted an article in the Star pointing out his history as the list Nazi? I=99m sure lots of folks would say to not bite the hand that feeds yo u yet that =99s how you end up with governments that tax you into submission, or trample your basic freedoms, etc. It=99s not like setting up a mailing list is rocket science or even expensive or resource intensive. I=99ve had several posts I thought were quite constructive never make it onto the list over the years. Why, who knows Jamey From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marc Coan Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 10:24 AM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Bounced from the Grumman Gang You guys think the GG is bad, you should see the Cardinal Flyers Online for Cessna 177 folks. I paid him $39/yr., and he has to approve (and make endle ss comments on) every post. If he doesn't like what you have to say (doesn't happen often), he squashes it. I just want to read what the posters have to say, not the admin's. Marc Coan, Santa Fe, NM ----- Original Message ----- From: _teamgrumman@aol.com_ (mailto:teamgrumman@aol.com) Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 11:07 AM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Bounced from the Grumman Gang I've played his silly f*cking game now for 10 years. The little f*ck needs a life. I started TeamGrumman-List because I got bounced for sending a "Merr y Christmas" to all of the Grumman owners. F*ck him. He has too big of an inflated image of himself. Now, do you want to know how I really feel? -----Original Message----- From: Steve Roberts Sent: Tue, 27 May 2008 9:55 am Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Bounced from the Grumman Gang --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "Steve Roberts" <_aa1bflyboy@msn.com_ (mailto:aa1bflyboy@msn.com) > Gary don't abandon it. Hang in there. I've been helping with getting the AY A forum going with Don Metz, Richard Hensley and Nigel Thomas. I imagine in time I'll start getting booted from the GG as well for being part of someth ing that *competes* with his illustrious list. Feel free to come check out the AYA forum <_www.ayaforum.org_ (http://www.ayaforum.org/) > One does not nee d to be an AYA member to join but it does have small benefits if you are. We shall not cease from exploration. And at the end of all our exploring Will be to arrive were we started And know the place for the first time - T. S. Eliot Steve Roberts - AA-1B N641HY @ ILG ----Original Message Follows---- From: _teamgrumman@aol.com_ (mailto:teamgrumman@aol.com) (mailto:teamgrumman-list@matronics.com) ) Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Bounced from the Grumman Gang Once again I got bounced from the Grumman Gang. What a pain in the ass. That dickhead running it must not want any real conversation regarding plan es. I've read my posts over the last few days and I see nothing it it that is the least bit offensive. So, what-the-f*ck? I guess he has . . . . . never mind. The little Hitler/Napoleon needs to get a life and let the users determine what they want to listen to or not. Kind of like China, anything said must be approved by the state. The little f*ck anyway. Whatever. I'm tired of his childish bullsh*t. I was about to abandon TeamGrumman-List. 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Checked by AVG. 5/27/2008 1:25 PM Checked by AVG. 5/27/2008 1:25 PM (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:37:52 PM PST US From: "N Harney" Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Bounced from the Grumman Gang I've had similar experiences with inexplainable censorship on the GG. Some members seem to have been granted immunity and their posts are published regardless of content and adherence to the forum's strict guidelines. If you aren't in that group the rules aren't quite as posted. It's not good for the community. --- jamey@jamescourtney.net wrote: From: "James Courtney" Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Bounced from the Grumman Gang Astounding that people have so little else to do and are so convinced of their own ability to determine what the dialog should be. Has anyone just called the prick out at the AYA convention or posted an article in the Star pointing out his history as the list Nazi? Im sure lots of folks would say to not bite the hand that feeds you yet thats how you end up with governments that tax you into submission, or trample your basic freedoms, etc. Its not like setting up a mailing list is rocket science or even expensive or resource intensive. Ive had several posts I thought were quite constructive never make it onto the list over the years. Why, who knows Jamey From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marc Coan Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 10:24 AM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Bounced from the Grumman Gang You guys think the GG is bad, you should see the Cardinal Flyers Online for Cessna 177 folks. I paid him $39/yr., and he has to approve (and make endless comments on) every post. If he doesn't like what you have to say (doesn't happen often), he squashes it. I just want to read what the posters have to say, not the admin's. Marc Coan, Santa Fe, NM ----- Original Message ----- From: HYPERLINK "mailto:teamgrumman@aol.com"teamgrumman@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 11:07 AM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Bounced from the Grumman Gang I've played his silly f*cking game now for 10 years. The little f*ck needs a life. I started TeamGrumman-List because I got bounced for sending a "Merry Christmas" to all of the Grumman owners. F*ck him. He has too big of an inflated image of himself. Now, do you want to know how I really feel? -----Original Message----- From: Steve Roberts Sent: Tue, 27 May 2008 9:55 am Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Bounced from the Grumman Gang Gary don't abandon it. Hang in there. I've been helping with getting the AYA forum going with Don Metz, Richard Hensley and Nigel Thomas. I imagine in time I'll start getting booted from the GG as well for being part of something that *competes* with his illustrious list. Feel free to come check out the AYA forum One does not need to be an AYA member to join but it does have small benefits if you are. We shall not cease from exploration. And at the end of all our exploring Will be to arrive were we started And know the place for the first time - T. S. Eliot Steve Roberts - AA-1B N641HY @ ILG ----Original Message Follows---- From: HYPERLINK "mailto:teamgrumman@aol.com"teamgrumman@aol.com Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Bounced from the Grumman Gang Once again I got bounced from the Grumman Gang. What a pain in the ass. That dickhead running it must not want any real conversation regarding planes. I've read my posts over the last few days and I see nothing it it that is the least bit offensive. So, what-the-f*ck? I guess he has . . . . . never mind. The little Hitler/Napoleon needs to get a life and let the users determine what they want to listen to or not. Kind of like China, anything said must be approved by the state. The little f*ck anyway. Whatever. I'm tired of his childish bullsh*t. I was about to abandon TeamGrumman-List. 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