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3. 09:51 AM - Re: Bounced from the Grumman Gang (Greg Amy)
4. 11:18 PM - GG nazi (airman@appledumplings.com)
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That is still nonsense. =C2-A poster should not have to write and ask why
his post did not get posted. =C2-Just out of curiosity, post a hyperlink h
ere and see what happens. =C2-As you can see from this post, James Courtne
y's post has his email as a link. =C2-
No, the issue is Mark's. =C2-He has control issues not unlike Napoleon.
=C2-He gets his feeling of power by controlling what he feels is or is not
appropriate material. =C2-Just think of it as something the Communists mu
st do to maintain control of the people they fear: those with independent th
ought. =C2-
There is a reason Thomas Jefferson penned this=C2-amendment as the first:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or proh
ibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of
the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petitio
n the government for a redress of grievances."
-----Original Message-----
From: N26390@aol.com
Sent: Tue, 27 May 2008 5:35 pm
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Bounced from the Grumman Gang
OK, so I don't post that much on the GG.=C2- Most times I'll respond to
the original author of a question or concern (I'm not one of the experts).
=C2-
However, when one of my postings doesn't get published that I believe is
relevant and not against the rules, I'll write Mark a note asking why the
posting was not published.=C2- When not published it is usually because I'
ve
copied into my response a portion of the original author's note or copied a
hyperlink (as a hyperlink).=C2- On other occasions the posting I made was
subsequently published.=C2- I know this doesn't answer all the questions,
but
this has been my expereince.
Bests,
Roger
Rucker
AA5A '78 HWO
=C2-
In a message dated 05/27/2008 7:44:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jamey@jamescourtney.net writes:
Astounding
that people have so little else to do and are so convinced of their own
ability to determine what the dialog should be.=C2- Has anyone just call
ed
the prick out at the AYA convention or posted an article in the Star point
ing
out his history as the list Nazi?
=C2-
I=99m
sure lots of folks would say to not bite the hand that feeds you yet that
=99s
how you end up with governments that tax you into submission, or trample y
our
basic freedoms, etc.=C2- It=99s not like setting up a mailing list
is rocket
science or even expensive or resource intensive.
=C2-
I=99ve
had several posts I thought were quite constructive never make it onto the
list over the years.=C2- Why, who knows
=C2-
Jamey
=C2-
=C2-
From:
owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marc
Coan
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 10:24 AM
teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List:
Bounced from the Grumman Gang
=C2-
You guys think
the GG is bad, you should see the Cardinal Flyers Online for Cessna 177 fo
lks.
I paid him $39/yr., and he has to approve (and make endless comments on) e
very
post. If he doesn't like what you have to say (doesn't happen often), he
squashes it. I just want to read what the posters have to say, not the
admin's.
=C2-
Marc
Coan,
Santa Fe,
NM
----- Original
Message -----
From: teamgrumman@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 27,
2008 11:07 AM
Subject: Re:
TeamGrumman-List: Bounced from the Grumman Gang
=C2-
I've played his silly f*cking game now for 10 years.
=C2-The little f*ck needs a life. =C2-I started TeamGrumman-List bec
ause
I got bounced for sending a "Merry Christmas" to all of the Grumman owne
rs.
=C2-F*ck him. =C2-He has too big of an inflated image of himself.
=C2-
=C2-
Now, do you want to know how
I really feel?
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Roberts
<aa1bflyboy@msn.com>
Sent:
Tue, 27 May 2008 9:55 am
Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Bounced from the
Grumman Gang
-->
TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "Steve Roberts" <aa1bflyboy@msn.com>
=C2-
=C2-
Gary
don't abandon it. Hang in there. I've been helping with getting the AYA
forum going with Don Metz, Richard Hensley and Nigel Thomas. I imagine i
n
time I'll start getting booted from the GG as well for being part of
something that *competes* with his illustrious list. Feel free to come c
heck
out the AYA forum <www.ayaforum.org> One
does not need to be an AYA member to join but it does have small benefit
s if
you are.=C2-
=C2-
We shall not cease from
exploration.=C2-
And at the end of all our exploring=C2-
Will be
to arrive were we started=C2-
And know the place for the first time -
T. S. Eliot=C2-
=C2-
Steve Roberts - AA-1B N641HY @
ILG=C2-
=C2-
=C2-
----Original Message
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From: teamgrumman@aol.com=C2-
teamgrumman-list@matronics.com=C2-
teamgrumman-list@matronics.com=C2-
Subject:
TeamGrumman-List: Bounced from the Grumman Gang=C2-
2008 12:37:50 -0400=C2-
=C2-
Once again I got bounced from the
Grumman Gang. =C2-What a pain in the ass. =C2-That dickhead running
it
must not want any real conversation regarding planes. =C2-I've read my
posts over the last few days and I see nothing it it that is the least b
it
offensive. =C2-So, what-the-f*ck?=C2-
=C2-
=C2-
I guess he
has . . . . . =C2-never mind. =C2-The little Hitler/Napoleon=C2-ne
eds
to get a life and let the users determine what they want to listen to or
not. =C2-Kind of like China, anything said must be approved by the sta
te.
=C2-=C2-The little f*ck anyway.=C2-
=C2-
=C2-
Whatever.
=C2-I'm tired of his childish bullsh*t.=C2-
=C2-
=C2-
I was
about to abandon TeamGrumman-List. =C2-Once again, it comes through wh
en
the GG doesn't. =C2-=C2-
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I've noticed this too. =C2-The rules are not evenly, nor fairly, enforced.
=C2-
But, then, what else would you expect from the Politburo?=C2-
-----Original Message-----
From: N Harney <nharney@nharney.com>
Sent: Tue, 27 May 2008 5:35 pm
Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Bounced from the Grumman Gang
I've had similar experiences with inexplainable censorship on the GG. Some
members seem to have been granted immunity and their posts are published
regardless of content and adherence to the forum's strict guidelines. If yo
u
aren't in that group the rules aren't quite as posted. It's not good for th
e
community.
--- jamey@jamescourtney.net wrote:
From: "James Courtney" <jamey@jamescourtney.net>
Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Bounced from the Grumman Gang
Astounding that people have so little else to do and are so convinced of the
ir
own ability to determine what the dialog should be. Has anyone just called
the
prick out at the AYA convention or posted an article in the Star pointing ou
t
his history as the list Nazi?
I=99m sure lots of folks would say to not bite the hand that feeds you
yet that=99s
how you end up with governments that tax you into submission, or trample you
r
basic freedoms, etc. It=99s not like setting up a mailing list is roc
ket science
or even expensive or resource intensive.
I=99ve had several posts I thought were quite constructive never make
it onto the
list over the years. Why, who knows
Jamey
From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-
list-server@matronics.com]
On Behalf Of Marc Coan
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 10:24 AM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Bounced from the Grumman Gang
You guys think the GG is bad, you should see the Cardinal Flyers Online for
Cessna 177 folks. I paid him $39/yr., and he has to approve (and make endles
s
comments on) every post. If he doesn't like what you have to say (doesn't ha
ppen
often), he squashes it. I just want to read what the posters have to say, no
t
the admin's.
Marc Coan,
Santa Fe, NM
----- Original Message -----
From: HYPERLINK "mailto:teamgrumman@aol.com"teamgrumman@aol.com
ics.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Bounced from the Grumman Gang
I've played his silly f*cking game now for 10 years. The little f*ck needs
a
life. I started TeamGrumman-List because I got bounced for sending a "Merry
Christmas" to all of the Grumman owners. F*ck him. He has too big of an
inflated image of himself.
Now, do you want to know how I really feel?
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Roberts <aa1bflyboy@msn.com>
Sent: Tue, 27 May 2008 9:55 am
Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Bounced from the Grumman Gang
"mailto:aa1bflyboy@msn.com"aa1bflyboy@msn.com>
Gary don't abandon it. Hang in there. I've been helping with getting the AYA
forum going with Don Metz, Richard Hensley and Nigel Thomas. I imagine in ti
me
I'll start getting booted from the GG as well for being part of something th
at
*competes* with his illustrious list. Feel free to come check out the AYA fo
rum
<HYPERLINK "http://www.ayaforum.org" \nwww.ayaforum.org> One does not need t
o be
an AYA member to join but it does have small benefits if you are.
We shall not cease from exploration.
And at the end of all our exploring
Will be to arrive were we started
And know the place for the first time - T. S. Eliot
Steve Roberts - AA-1B N641HY @ ILG
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matronics.com
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Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Bounced from the Grumman Gang
Once again I got bounced from the Grumman Gang. What a pain in the ass. Th
at
dickhead running it must not want any real conversation regarding planes. I
've
read my posts over the last few days and I see nothing it it that is the lea
st
bit offensive. So, what-the-f*ck?
I guess he has . . . . . never mind. The little Hitler/Napoleon needs to g
et a
life and let the users determine what they want to listen to or not. Kind o
f
like China, anything said must be approved by the state. The little f*ck
anyway.
Whatever. I'm tired of his childish bullsh*t.
I was about to abandon TeamGrumman-List. Once again, it comes through when
the
GG doesn't.
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> Once again I got bounced from the Grumman Gang.
> What a pain in the ass...
> That dickhead running it...
> The little Hitler/Napoleon...needs to get a life...
> The little f*ck anyway.
> I'm tired of his childish bullsh*t.
Hey, Gary, I've got access to the Mailman interface
for the Grumman Gang, as I sub for Mark on occasion
when he goes on vacation. I've verified that you were
not unsubscribed from the list by him; all the list
admin received was a unsubscribe request, presumably
from you.
Best guess is this has something to do with AOL's
policy of requiring mailing list providers to remove
people who "complain" about receiving spam from their
lists, or have their entire site (Xmission.com, in the
case of the Grumman Gang) blacklisted from AOL mail
delivery system.
The process is also somehow semi-automated, in that
the AOL mail reader has a "this is spam" button that
users can select while reading mail, which triggers
an automatic "unsubscribe this person or we blacklist
your site" mechanism. In order to keep the site from
being blocked, XMission admins then do the
unsubscribing of the complaining addresses above
Mark's head.
Once done, there is no way to tell if an AOLer has
unsubscribed willingly or if it was forced; all Mark
sees is the unsubscribe request. The XMission admins
have been asked if they could at least Cc the list
when it happens but they have not responded.
Ergo, your little tirade was a bit (QUITE a bit)
misplaced and out of line. At worst, you owe Mark an
apology on this list; at best, you should contact him
directly.
I also recommend that when someone has a problem with
the Grumman Gang (privately owned, run, and paid for),
that they contact Mark directly before going off the
deep end on the (forever cached, always saved,
infinitely referenced) Internet...
Gary, I also suggest getting a *REAL* Internet Service
Provider. As an email administrator of a very large
corporation, I find AOL's email "anti-spam" policies
FAR, FAR, FAR more painful, intrusive, and anti-social
than *any* concerns over wasting email space wishing
people a Merry Christmas. I spend FAR too much time
trying to clean up after stupid AOL users who have
ZERO clue about how things work.
Frankly, I find AOL to be for Internet idiots,
something I do not believe you are.
My 2 cents.
Greg Amy
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Good to hear that I am not the only one. I was a new member the first
time I got abused from him. He has bounced mine about 5 times ... all
times had grumman questions not to his liking i guess. The funny thing
is there was a post about selling a computer on there a few days ago
(as far as I could tell no grumman connection... must be his bud.
If I make it to the convention I will look him up for sure ...
although I am going to say only one word! Last year I pulled out of
going specifically because of not getting a few questions through and
getting abused on the one that did get through.
As far as the CCO, I was going to get a membership with them when I
was looking at a cardinal. I sent a question to them asking for a list
of A&P's in the Utah area to do a pre-buy. They basically said i had
to get a membership to get the info .... Good thing though because it
stalled me long enough to find my Tiger.
Thomas
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