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1. 02:06 AM - Re: Annual & new panel (teamgrumman@aol.com)
2. 06:35 AM - Re: Re: Annual & new panel (flyv35b)
3. 06:59 AM - Re: Re: Annual & new panel (SkyMachines)
4. 08:10 AM - Re: Re: Annual & new panel (923te)
5. 08:38 AM - Re: Re: Annual & new panel (flyv35b)
6. 11:05 AM - Re: Re: Annual & new panel (teamgrumman@aol.com)
7. 11:34 AM - Re: Re: Annual & new panel (Marc Coan)
8. 11:55 AM - speaking of overlays (teamgrumman@aol.com)
9. 11:57 AM - speaking of flight test (teamgrumman@aol.com)
10. 01:23 PM - Re: speaking of overlays (N26390@aol.com)
11. 10:50 PM - Re: speaking of overlays (teamgrumman@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Annual & new panel |
Hi David,=C2-
You battery is on a charger as I write. =C2-The new panel overlays arrived
today. =C2-Your timing is impeccable. =C2-I ran into some trouble with
one of the planes I'm working on. =C2-So, I had to stop working on yours.
=C2-I have two questions which haven't been addressed, see the bottom of t
his email. =C2-I have one question regarding the EI EGT/CHT/OAT.
Just to verify, before I get too far into this and possibly make an error,
=C2-
You want: all of the existing avionics and equipment removed. =C2-
You want: =C2-A completely new wiring harness that incorporates=C2-
=C2-- PMA7000M-S audio panel=C2-
=C2-=C2- =C2- - you want a cell phone jack installed on/for this.
=C2-- Garmin 430 =C2-(the GPS antenna will be mounted on the glareshield
)
=C2-- GX-60=C2-=C2-(the GPS antenna will be mounted on the glareshield
)
=C2-- GMX 327 transponder. =C2-
=C2-=C2- =C2- - Trans-Cal encoder
=C2-. . . . . =C2-Note (1): New circuit breakers will be installed for t
he equipment listed above. =C2-
=C2-. . . . . =C2-Note (2): If you want the GPS antennas mounted on the
aft fuselage,=C2-
=C2-=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-
=C2- =C2- =C2-I will replace ALL of the coax going to the aft cabin.
=C2-
=C2-=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-
=C2- =C2- =C2-Just these coax cables on the plane on which I am curren
tly working cost $400. =C2-
=0
A
=C2-. . . . . =C2-Note (3): Rewiring the aft cabin adds about 24 hours t
o the installation. =C2-
=C2-. . . . . =C2-Note (4): You will need an avionics cooling fan.
=C2-. . . . . =C2-Note (5): You will need a nav/glideslope indicator for
the 430. =C2-
You want: both the Garmin 430 and the GX-60 wired to the existing autopilot
=C2-
You want: a Davtron M800 installed. =C2-You want me to purchase this for y
ou and install it.
You want: the Mitchell EGT/CHT removed.
You want: an existing EI OAT/EGT/CHT installed in the location previously oc
cupied by the Mitchell. =C2-
You want: the EI OAT installed so that the mechanical OAT can be removed.
=C2-. . . . . =C2-Note (1): =C2-Do you want the EGT/CHT installed?
You want: the mechanical OAT removed. =C2-
You don't want anything done with the existing DMA fuel flow which is alread
y installed.
You want: a 1" vacuum gauge installed next to the AI. =C2-
=C2-. . . . . =C2-Note (1): =C2-I would suggest just installing an idi
ot light that can be mounted next to the AI. =C2-
You want: a new fiberglass dorsal fin with one antenna installed inside the
dorsal fin.
=C2-- You want the LORAN antenna removed. =C2-
=C2-- You want one of the com antennas mounted on the bottom of the plane.
You want: all of the panel switches (fuel pump, nav lights, strobes, pitot h
eat, beacon, landing light) replaced.
Yo
u want: two=C2-auxiliary cigarette-type power jacks installed. =C2-These
will be mounted to the right side of the center console, up, underneath, wi
thin easy reach.=C2-
=C2-. . . . . =C2-Note (1): =C2-I would advise against=C2-mounting t
hem in the panel due to
=C2-=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-
=C2- =C2- =C2- (1) possible=C2-wire shorting problems behind the pan
el.
=C2-=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-
=C2- =C2- =C2- (2)=C2-interference with the flight controls
=C2-=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-
=C2- =C2- =C2- (3) plugs sticking out of the panel and wires draping a
cross the controls. =C2-
=C2-=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-
=C2- =C2- =C2- (4) lack of space to install
=C2-. . . . . =C2-Note (2): =C2-There is no safe place in the aft cabi
n to mount a cigarette-type auxiliary jack. =C2-If you wish to have additi
onal plugs installed I recommend you find someone willing to accept the liab
ility. =C2-
=C2-. . . . . =C2-Note (3): =C2-Where would you like all of the fuses
and/or circuit breakers mounted for all of these? =C2-
=C2-. . . . . =C2-Note (4): =C2-You will need a separate circuit prote
ctor for each one. =C2-
You want the yokes removed, stripped, drilled, and powder coated in a black
hammer-tone finish. =C2-
You want my eyebrow installed.
=C2-- Do you want lights or=2
0not? =C2-
You want: New panel overlays installed.
=C2-- What color do you want it powder coated?
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: David Kessens <david.kessens@nsn.com>
Sent: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:37 pm
Subject: Re: Annual & new panel
Gary,
This is just a quick mail to see how things are going as I haven't
heard much for a while.
Also, we would appreciate if you could give the battery a
recharge - it is fairly new so it would be a pity if it dies because
it completely discharges due to inactivity for such a long time.
Thanks!
David Kessens
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| Subject: | Re: Annual & new panel |
Gary, sounds like you are going to be busy for quite awhile. I hope the ow
ner has a pretty good idea of how much all this is going to cost him so he
can plan ahead, rob Fort Knox, etc.
Cliff
----- Original Message -----
From: teamgrumman@aol.com
To: david.kessens@nsn.com ; teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 2:04 AM
Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Annual & new panel
Hi David,
You battery is on a charger as I write. The new panel overlays arrived t
oday. Your timing is impeccable. I ran into some trouble with one of the
planes I'm working on. So, I had to stop working on yours. I have two que
stions which haven't been addressed, see the bottom of this email. I have
one question regarding the EI EGT/CHT/OAT.
Just to verify, before I get too far into this and possibly make an error
,
You want: all of the existing avionics and equipment removed.
You want: A completely new wiring harness that incorporates
- PMA7000M-S audio panel
- you want a cell phone jack installed on/for this.
- Garmin 430 (the GPS antenna will be mounted on the glareshield)
- GX-60 (the GPS antenna will be mounted on the glareshield)
- GMX 327 transponder.
- Trans-Cal encoder
. . . . . Note (1): New circuit breakers will be installed for the equi
pment listed above.
. . . . . Note (2): If you want the GPS antennas mounted on the aft fus
elage,
I will replace ALL of the coax going to the aft
cabin.
=2 0 Just these coax cables on the plane on which
I am currently working cost $400.
. . . . . Note (3): Rewiring the aft cabin adds about 24 hours to the i
nstallation.
. . . . . Note (4): You will need an avionics cooling fan.
. . . . . Note (5): You will need a nav/glideslope indicator for the 43
0.
You want: both the Garmin 430 and the GX-60 wired to the existing autopil
ot
You want: a Davtron M800 installed. You want me to purchase this for you
and install it.
You want: the Mitchell EGT/CHT removed.
You want: an existing EI OAT/EGT/CHT installed in the location previously
occupied by the Mitchell.
You want: the EI OAT installed so that the mechanical OAT can be removed.
. . . . . Note (1): Do you want the EGT/CHT installed=3F
You want: the mechanical OAT removed.
You don't want anything done with the existing DMA fuel flow which is alr
eady installed.
You want: a 1=22 vacuum gauge installed next to the AI.
. . . . . Note (1): I would suggest just installing an idiot light tha
t can be mounted next to the AI.
0A
You want: a new fiberglass dorsal fin with one antenna installed inside t
he dorsal fin.
- You want the LORAN antenna removed.
- You want one of the com antennas mounted on the bottom of the plane.
You want: all of the panel switches (fuel pump, nav lights, strobes, pito
t heat, beacon, landing light) replaced.
You want: two auxiliary cigarette-type power jacks installed. These will
be mounted to the right side of the center console, up, underneath, within
easy reach.
. . . . . Note (1): I would advise against mounting them in the panel
due to
(1) possible wire shorting problems behind the
panel.
(2) interference with the flight controls
(3) plugs sticking out of the panel and wires
draping across the controls.
(4) lack of space to install
. . . . . Note (2): There is no safe place in the aft cabin to mount a
cigarette-type auxiliary jack. If you wish to have additional plugs insta
ll ed I recommend you find someone willing to accept the liability.
. . . . . Note (3): Where would you like all of the fuses and/or circu
it breakers mounted for all of these=3F
. . . . . Note (4): You will need a separate circuit protector for eac
h one.
You want the yokes removed, stripped, drilled, and powder coated in a bla
ck hammer-tone finish.
You want my eyebrow installed.
- Do you want lights or not=3F
You want: New panel overlays installed.
- What color do you want it powder coated=3F
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: David Kessens <david.kessens@nsn.com>
To: TeamGrumman@aol.com
Sent: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:37 pm
Subject: Re: Annual & new panel
Gary,
This is just a quick mail to see how things are going as I haven't
heard much for a while.
Also, we would appreciate if you could give the battery a
recharge - it is fairly new so it would be a pity if it dies because
it completely discharges due to inactivity for such a long time.
Thanks!
David Kessens
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| Subject: | Re: Annual & new panel |
If you mount a GNS-430 antenna on the glareshield, can it be approach
certified? Not in my experience.
Marc Coan
Santa Fe, NM
_____
From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of flyv35b
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 7:31 AM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Annual & new panel
Gary, sounds like you are going to be busy for quite awhile. I hope the
owner has a pretty good idea of how much all this is going to cost him so he
can plan ahead, rob Fort Knox, etc.
Cliff
----- Original Message -----
From: teamgrumman@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 2:04 AM
Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Annual & new panel
Hi David,
You battery is on a charger as I write. The new panel overlays arrived
today. Your timing is impeccable. I ran into some trouble with one of the
planes I'm working on. So, I had to stop working on yours. I have two
questions which haven't been addressed, see the bottom of this email. I
have one question regarding the EI EGT/CHT/OAT.
Just to verify, before I get too far into this and possibly make an error,
You want: all of the existing avionics and equipment removed.
You want: A completely new wiring harness that incorporates
- PMA7000M-S audio panel
- you want a cell phone jack installed on/for this.
- Garmin 430 (the GPS antenna will be mounted on the glareshield)
- GX-60 (the GPS antenna will be mounted on the glareshield)
- GMX 327 transponder.
- Trans-Cal encoder
. . . . . Note (1): New circuit breakers will be installed for the
equipment listed above.
. . . . . Note (2): If you want the GPS antennas mounted on the aft
fuselage,
I will replace ALL of the coax going to the aft
cabin.
=2 0 Just these coax cables on the plane on which I
am currently working cost $400.
. . . . . Note (3): Rewiring the aft cabin adds about 24 hours to the
installation.
. . . . . Note (4): You will need an avionics cooling fan.
. . . . . Note (5): You will need a nav/glideslope indicator for the 430.
You want: both the Garmin 430 and the GX-60 wired to the existing autopilot
You want: a Davtron M800 installed. You want me to purchase this for you
and install it.
You want: the Mitchell EGT/CHT removed.
You want: an existing EI OAT/EGT/CHT installed in the location previously
occupied by the Mitchell.
You want: the EI OAT installed so that the mechanical OAT can be removed.
. . . . . Note (1): Do you want the EGT/CHT installed?
You want: the mechanical OAT removed.
You don't want anything done with the existing DMA fuel flow which is
already installed.
You want: a 1" vacuum gauge installed next to the AI.
. . . . . Note (1): I would suggest just installing an idiot light that
can be mounted next to the AI.
0A
You want: a new fiberglass dorsal fin with one antenna installed inside the
dorsal fin.
- You want the LORAN antenna removed.
- You want one of the com antennas mounted on the bottom of the plane.
You want: all of the panel switches (fuel pump, nav lights, strobes, pitot
heat, beacon, landing light) replaced.
You want: two auxiliary cigarette-type power jacks installed. These will be
mounted to the right side of the center console, up, underneath, within easy
reach.
. . . . . Note (1): I would advise against mounting them in the panel due
to
(1) possible wire shorting problems behind the
panel.
(2) interference with the flight controls
(3) plugs sticking out of the panel and wires
draping across the controls.
(4) lack of space to install
. . . . . Note (2): There is no safe place in the aft cabin to mount a
cigarette-type auxiliary jack. If you wish to have additional plugs install
ed I recommend you find someone willing to accept the liability.
. . . . . Note (3): Where would you like all of the fuses and/or circuit
breakers mounted for all of these?
. . . . . Note (4): You will need a separate circuit protector for each
one.
You want the yokes removed, stripped, drilled, and powder coated in a black
hammer-tone finish.
You want my eyebrow installed.
- Do you want lights or not?
You want: New panel overlays installed.
- What color do you want it powder coated?
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: David Kessens <david.kessens@nsn.com>
Sent: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:37 pm
Subject: Re: Annual & new panel
Gary,
This is just a quick mail to see how things are going as I haven't
heard much for a while.
Also, we would appreciate if you could give the battery a
recharge - it is fairly new so it would be a pity if it dies because
it completely discharges due to inactivity for such a long time.
Thanks!
David Kessens
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Gary,
I encourage you to get an advance on all this work. Why should the owner
earn interest on your money and you take all the risk?
Give him a ball park estimate on the high side and get at least 1/2 as a
down payment.
Anyone worth trusting will not have any problem with paying in advance.
----- Original Message -----
From: teamgrumman@aol.com
To: david.kessens@nsn.com ; teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 4:04 AM
Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Annual & new panel
Hi David,
You battery is on a charger as I write. The new panel overlays
arrived today. Your timing is impeccable. I ran into some trouble with
one of the planes I'm working on. So, I had to stop working on yours.
I have two questions which haven't been addressed, see the bottom of
this email. I have one question regarding the EI EGT/CHT/OAT.
Just to verify, before I get too far into this and possibly make an
error,
You want: all of the existing avionics and equipment removed.
You want: A completely new wiring harness that incorporates
- PMA7000M-S audio panel
- you want a cell phone jack installed on/for this.
- Garmin 430 (the GPS antenna will be mounted on the glareshield)
- GX-60 (the GPS antenna will be mounted on the glareshield)
- GMX 327 transponder.
- Trans-Cal encoder
. . . . . Note (1): New circuit breakers will be installed for the
equipment listed above.
. . . . . Note (2): If you want the GPS antennas mounted on the aft
fuselage,
I will replace ALL of the coax going to the
aft cabin.
=2 0 Just these coax cables on the plane on
which I am currently working cost $400.
. . . . . Note (3): Rewiring the aft cabin adds about 24 hours to
the installation.
. . . . . Note (4): You will need an avionics cooling fan.
. . . . . Note (5): You will need a nav/glideslope indicator for the
430.
You want: both the Garmin 430 and the GX-60 wired to the existing
autopilot
You want: a Davtron M800 installed. You want me to purchase this for
you and install it.
You want: the Mitchell EGT/CHT removed.
You want: an existing EI OAT/EGT/CHT installed in the location
previously occupied by the Mitchell.
You want: the EI OAT installed so that the mechanical OAT can be
removed.
. . . . . Note (1): Do you want the EGT/CHT installed?
You want: the mechanical OAT removed.
You don't want anything done with the existing DMA fuel flow which is
already installed.
You want: a 1" vacuum gauge installed next to the AI.
. . . . . Note (1): I would suggest just installing an idiot light
that can be mounted next to the AI.
0A
You want: a new fiberglass dorsal fin with one antenna installed
inside the dorsal fin.
- You want the LORAN antenna removed.
- You want one of the com antennas mounted on the bottom of the
plane.
You want: all of the panel switches (fuel pump, nav lights, strobes,
pitot heat, beacon, landing light) replaced.
You want: two auxiliary cigarette-type power jacks installed. These
will be mounted to the right side of the center console, up, underneath,
within easy reach.
. . . . . Note (1): I would advise against mounting them in the
panel due to
(1) possible wire shorting problems behind
the panel.
(2) interference with the flight controls
(3) plugs sticking out of the panel and
wires draping across the controls.
(4) lack of space to install
. . . . . Note (2): There is no safe place in the aft cabin to
mount a cigarette-type auxiliary jack. If you wish to have additional
plugs install ed I recommend you find someone willing to accept the
liability.
. . . . . Note (3): Where would you like all of the fuses and/or
circuit breakers mounted for all of these?
. . . . . Note (4): You will need a separate circuit protector for
each one.
You want the yokes removed, stripped, drilled, and powder coated in a
black hammer-tone finish.
You want my eyebrow installed.
- Do you want lights or not?
You want: New panel overlays installed.
- What color do you want it powder coated?
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: David Kessens <david.kessens@nsn.com>
To: TeamGrumman@aol.com
Sent: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:37 pm
Subject: Re: Annual & new panel
Gary,
This is just a quick mail to see how things are going as I haven't
heard much for a while.
Also, we would appreciate if you could give the battery a
recharge - it is fairly new so it would be a pity if it dies because
it completely discharges due to inactivity for such a long time.
Thanks!
David Kessens
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Absolutely!
----- Original Message -----
From: 923te
To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 8:08 AM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Annual & new panel
Gary,
I encourage you to get an advance on all this work. Why should the owner
earn interest on your money and you take all the risk=3F
Give him a ball park estimate on the high side and get at least 1/2 as a
down payment.
Anyone worth trusting will not have any problem with paying in advance.
----- Original Message -----
From: teamgrumman@aol.com
To: david.kessens@nsn.com ; teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 4:04 AM
Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Annual & new panel
Hi David,
You battery is on a charger as I write. The new panel overlays arrived
today. Your timing is impeccable. I ran into some trouble with one of th
e planes I'm working on. So, I had to stop working on yours. I have two q
uestions which haven't been addressed, see the bottom of this email. I hav
e one question regarding the EI EGT/CHT/OAT.
Just to verify, before I get too far into this and possibly make an err
or,
You want: all of the existing avionics and equipment removed.
You want: A completely new wiring harness that incorporates
- PMA7000M-S audio panel
- you want a cell phone jack installed on/for this.
- Garmin 430 (the GPS antenna will be mounted on the glareshield)
- GX-60 (the GPS antenna will be mounted on the glareshield)
- GMX 327 transponder.
- Trans-Cal encoder
. . . . . Note (1): New circuit breakers will be installed for the eq
uipment listed above.
. . . . . Note (2): If you want the GPS antennas mounted on the aft f
uselage,
I will replace ALL of the coax going to the a
ft cabin.
=2 0 Just these coax cables on the plane on whi
ch I am currently working cost $400.
. . . . . Note (3): Rewiring the aft cabin adds about 24 hours to the
installation.
. . . . . Note (4): You will need an avionics cooling fan.
. . . . . Note (5): You will need a nav/glideslope indicator for the
430.
You want: both the Garmin 430 and the GX-60 wired to the existing autop
ilot
You want: a Davtron M800 installed. You want me to purchase this for y
ou and install it.
You want: the Mitchell EGT/CHT removed.
You want: an existing EI OAT/EGT/CHT installed in the location previous
ly occupied by the Mitchell.
You want: the EI OAT installed so that the mechanical OAT can be remove
d.
. . . . . Note (1): Do you want the EGT/CHT installed=3F
You want: the mechanical OAT removed.
You don't want anything done with the existing DMA fuel flow which is a
lready installed.
You want: a 1=22 vacuum gauge installed next to the AI.
. . . . . Note (1): I would suggest just installing an idiot light t
hat can be mounted next to the AI.
0A
You want: a new fiberglass dorsal fin with one antenna installed inside
the dorsal fin.
- You want the LORAN antenna removed.
- You want one of the com antennas mounted on the bottom of the plane.
You want: all of the panel switches (fuel pump, nav lights, strobes, pi
tot heat, beacon, landing light) replaced.
You want: two auxiliary cigarette-type power jacks installed. These wi
ll be mounted to the right side of the center console, up, underneath, with
in easy reach.
. . . . . Note (1): I would advise against mounting them in the pane
l due to
(1) possible wire shorting problems behind t
he panel.
(2) interference with the flight controls
(3) plugs sticking out of the panel and wire
s draping across the controls.
(4) lack of space to install
. . . . . Note (2): There is no safe place in the aft cabin to mount
a cigarette-type auxiliary jack. If you wish to have additional plugs ins
tall ed I recommend you find someone willing to accept the liability.
. . . . . Note (3): Where would you like all of the fuses and/or cir
cuit breakers mounted for all of these=3F
. . . . . Note (4): You will need a separate circuit protector for e
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You want the yokes removed, stripped, drilled, and powder coated in a b
lack hammer-tone finish.
You want my eyebrow installed.
- Do you want lights or not=3F
You want: New panel overlays installed.
- What color do you want it powder coated=3F
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: David Kessens <david.kessens@nsn.com>
To: TeamGrumman@aol.com
Sent: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:37 pm
Subject: Re: Annual & new panel
Gary,
This is just a quick mail to see how things are going as I haven't
heard much for a while.
Also, we would appreciate if you could give the battery a
recharge - it is fairly new so it would be a pity if it dies because
it completely discharges due to inactivity for such a long time.
Thanks!
David Kessens
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There is nothing to prevent it from being certified when mounted on the glar
eshield. =C2-Why would you think it can't be mounted on the glareshield?
=C2-The best place for the antenna is a surface that is horizontal in flig
ht. =C2-I've done 4 this way so far.
-----Original Message-----
From: SkyMachines <marc@skymachines.com>
Sent: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 6:55 am
Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Annual & new panel
If you mount a GNS-430 antenna on the glareshield, can it be approach
certified? Not in my experience.
=C2-
Marc Coan
Santa Fe, NM
From:
owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
flyv35b
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 7:31 AM
teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re:
Annual & new panel
Gary, sounds like you are going to be busy for quite
awhile.=C2- I hope the owner has a pretty good idea of how much all this
is
going to cost him so he can plan ahead, rob Fort Knox,
etc.
=C2-
Cliff
----- Original Message -----
From:
teamgrumman@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 2:04
AM
Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Annual
& new panel
Hi David,=C2-
You battery is on a charger as I write. =C2-The new panel overlays
arrived today. =C2-Your timing is impeccable. =C2-I ran into some
trouble with one of the planes I'm working on. =C2-So, I had to stop
working on yours. =C2-I have two questions which haven't been addresse
d,
see the bottom of this email. =C2-I have one question regarding the EI
EGT/CHT/OAT.
Just to verify, before I get too far into this and possibly make an
error,=C2-
You want: all of the existing avionics and equipment removed.
=C2-
You want: =C2-A completely new wiring harness that
incorporates=C2-
=C2-- PMA7000M-S audio panel=C2-
=C2-=C2- =C2- - you want a cell phone jack installed on/for
this.
=C2-- Garmin 430 =C2-(the GPS antenna will be mounted on the
glareshield)
=C2-- GX-60=C2-=C2-(the GPS antenna will be mounted on the
glareshield)
=C2-- GMX 327 transponder. =C2-
=C2-=C2- =C2- - Trans-Cal encoder
=C2-. . . . . =C2-Note (1): New circuit breakers will be installed
for the equipment listed above. =C2-
=C2-. . . . . =C2-Note (2): If you want the GPS antennas mounted on
the aft fuselage,=C2-
20
=C2-=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-
=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-I will replace ALL of the coax going to the a
ft
cabin. =C2-
=C2-=C2- =C2- =C2-=2 0=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-
=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-Just these coax cables on the plane on which
I am
currently working cost $400. =C2-
=C2-. . . . . =C2-Note (3): Rewiring the aft cabin adds about 24
hours to the installation. =C2-
=C2-. . . . . =C2-Note (4): You will need an avionics cooling
fan.
=C2-. . . . . =C2-Note (5): You will need a nav/glideslope
indicator for the 430. =C2-
You want: both the Garmin 430 and the GX-60 wired to the existing
autopilot
=C2-
You want: a Davtron M800 installed. =C2-You want me to purchase this
for you and install it.
You want: the Mitchell EGT/CHT removed.
You want: an existing EI OAT/EGT/CHT installed in the location
previously occupied by the Mitchell. =C2-
You want: the EI OAT installed so that the mechanical OAT can be
removed.
=C2-. . . . . =C2-Note (1): =C2-Do you want the EGT/CHT
installed?
You want: the mechanical OAT removed. =C2-
You don't want anything done with the existing DMA fuel flow which is
already installed.
You want: a 1" vacuum gauge installed next to the AI. =C2-
=C2-. . . . . =C2-Note (1): =C2-I would suggest just installing
an idiot light that can be mounted next to the AI. =C2-
0A
You want: a new fiberglass dorsal fin with one antenna installed inside
the dorsal fin.
=C2-- You want the LORAN antenna removed. =C2-
=C2-- You want one of the com antennas mounted on the bottom of the
plane.
You want: all of the panel switches (fuel pump, nav lights, strobes,
pitot heat, beacon, landing light) replaced.
You want: two=C2-auxiliary cigarette-type power jacks installed.
=C2-These will be mounted to the right side of the center console, up,
underneath, within easy reach.=C2-
=C2-. . . . . =C2-Note (1): =C2-I would advise
against=C2-mounting them in the panel due to
=C2-=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-
=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- (1) possible=C2-wire shorting problems beh
ind
the panel.
=C2-=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-
=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- (2)=C2-interference with the flight
20controls
=C2-=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-
=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- (3) plugs sticking out of the panel and wire
s
draping across the controls. =C2-
=C2-=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-
=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- (4) lack of space to install
=C2-. . . . . =C2-Note (2): =C2-There is no safe place in the aft
cabin to mount a cigarette-type auxiliary jack. =C2-If you wish to hav
e
additional plugs install ed I recommend you find someone willing to acce
pt
the liability. =C2-
=C2-. . . . . =C2-Note (3): =C2-Where would you like all of the
fuses and/or circuit breakers mounted for all of these? =C2-
=C2-. . . . . =C2-Note (4): =C2-You will need a separate circuit
protector for each one. =C2-
You want the yokes removed, stripped, drilled, and powder coated in a
black hammer-tone finish. =C2-
You want my eyebrow installed.
=C2-- Do you want lights or not? =C2-
You want: New panel overlays installed.
=C2-- What color do you want it powder coated?
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: David Kessens
<david.kessens@nsn.com>
Jul 2008 12:37 pm
Subject: Re: Annual & new panel
Gary,
This is just a quick mail to see how things are going as I haven't
heard much for a while.
Also, we would appreciate if you could give the battery a
recharge - it is fairly new so it would be a pity if it dies because
it completely discharges due to inactivity for such a long time.
Thanks!
David Kessens
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Just what an avionics shop told me...
----- Original Message -----
From: teamgrumman@aol.com
To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Annual & new panel
There is nothing to prevent it from being certified when mounted on
the glareshield. Why would you think it can't be mounted on the
glareshield? The best place for the antenna is a surface that is
horizontal in flight. I've done 4 this way so far.
-----Original Message-----
From: SkyMachines <marc@skymachines.com>
To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 6:55 am
Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Annual & new panel
If you mount a GNS-430 antenna on the glareshield, can it be approach
certified? Not in my experience.
Marc Coan
Santa Fe, NM
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[mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronic s.com] On Behalf Of
flyv35b
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 7:31 AM
To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Annual & new panel
Gary, sounds like you are going to be busy for quite awhile. I hope
the owner has a pretty good idea of how much all this is going to cost
him so he can plan ahead, rob Fort Knox, etc.
Cliff
----- Original Message -----
From: teamgrumman@aol.com
To: david.kessens@nsn.com ; teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 2:04 AM
Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Annual & new panel
Hi David,
You battery is on a charger as I write. The new panel overlays
arrived today. Your timing is impeccable. I ran into some trouble with
one of the planes I'm working on. So, I had to stop working on yours.
I have two questions which haven't been addressed, see the bottom of
this email. I have one question regarding the EI EGT/CHT/OAT.
Just to verify, before I get too far into this and possibly make
an error,
You want: all of the existing avionics and equipment removed.
You want: A completely new wiring harness that incorporates
- PMA7000M-S audio panel
- you want a cell phone jack installed on/for this.
- Garmin 430 (the GPS antenna will be mounted on the
glareshield)
- GX-60 (the GPS antenna will be mounted on the glareshield)
- GMX 327 transponder.
- Trans-Cal encoder
. . . . . Note (1): New circuit breakers will be installed for
the equipment listed above. C2
. . . . . Note (2): If you want the GPS antennas mounted on the
aft fuselage,
I will replace ALL of the coax going to
the aft cabin.
=2 0 Just these coax cables on the plane
on which I am currently working cost $400.
. . . . . Note (3): Rewiring the aft cabin adds about 24 hours
to the installation.
. . . . . Note (4): You will need an avionics cooling fan.
. . . . . Note (5): You will need a nav/glideslope indicator for
the 430.
You want: both the Garmin 430 and the GX-60 wired to the existing
autopilot
You want: a Davtron M800 installed. You want me to purchase this
for you and install it.
You want: the Mitchell EGT/CHT removed.
You want: an existing EI OAT/EGT/CHT installed in the location
previously occupied by the Mitchell.
You want: the EI OAT installed so that the mechanical OAT can be
removed.
. . . . . Note (1): Do you want the EGT/CHT installed?
You want: the mechanical OAT removed.
You don't want anything done with the existing DMA fuel flow which is
already installed.
You want: a 1" vacuum gauge installed next to the AI.
. . . . . Note (1): I would suggest just installing an idiot light
that can be mounted next to the AI.
0A
You want: a new fiberglass dorsal fin with one antenna installed
inside the dorsal fin.
- You want the LORAN antenna removed.
- You want one of the com antennas mounted on the bottom of the
plane.
You want: all of the panel switches (fuel pump, nav lights, strobes,
pitot heat, beacon, landing light) replaced.
You want: two auxiliary cigarette-type power jacks installed. These
will be mounted to the right side of the center console, up, underneath,
within easy reach.
. . . . . Note (1): I would advise against mounting them in the
panel due to
(1) possible wire shorting problems behind
the panel.
(2) interference with the flight controls
(3) plugs sticking out of the panel and
wires draping across the controls.
(4) lack of space to install
. . . . . Note (2): There is no safe place in the aft cabin to
mount a cigarette-type auxiliary jack. If you wish to have additional
plugs install ed I recommend you find someone willing to accept the
liability.
. . . . . Note (3): Where would you like all of the fuses and/or
circuit breakers mounted for all of these?
. . . . . Note (4): You will need a separate circuit protector for
each one.
You wan t the yokes removed, stripped, drilled, and powder coated in a
black hammer-tone finish.
You want my eyebrow installed.
- Do you want lights or not?
You want: New panel overlays installed.
- What color do you want it powder coated?
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: David Kessens <david.kessens@nsn.com>
To: TeamGrumman@aol.com
Sent: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:37 pm
Subject: Re: Annual & new panel
Gary,
This is just a quick mail to see how things are going as I haven't
heard much for a while.
Also, we would appreciate if you could give the battery a
recharge - it is fairly new so it would be a pity if it dies because
it completely discharges due to inactivity for such a long time.
Thanks!
David Kessens
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I just got the first 2 sets of the new overlays. =C2-THe primary differenc
e is that these have their own clear plastic insert for the gauges. =C2-Th
e clear plastic will go on the INSIDE of the panel. =C2-The right overlay
is flat; i.e., no joggle for the clear plastic like the original. =C2-Thus
, if you wish, you will be able to mount the overlay directly over the gauge
s with no attaching screws showing. =C2-The gauges themselves could be mou
nted directly to the panel with countersunk screws.
I found a couple of minor errors in the panels. =C2-They are being correct
ed. =C2-The new panels do not need any trimming to fit as with the previou
s versions of the aluminum overlays.
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we did a large portion of the company testing on the cowling yesterday. =C2
-Piece-o'-cake. =C2-Max CHTs on an EI instrument was 401. =C2-Max oil
temp was 229. =C2-That is with an OAT of 95. =C2-
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Sorry, I must have missed the beginning of this discussion. But, what or
which overlay are you talking about? Available for an AA5A with similar minor
modifications?
Thanks,
Roger Rucker
AA5A '78 HWO
In a message dated 07/15/2008 2:56:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
teamgrumman@aol.com writes:
I just got the first 2 sets of the new overlays. THe primary difference is
that these have their own clear plastic insert for the gauges. The clear
plastic will go on the INSIDE of the panel. The right overlay is flat; i.e.,
no joggle for the clear plastic like the original. Thus, if you wish, you
will be able to mount the overlay directly over the gauges with no attaching
screws showing. The gauges themselves could be mounted directly to the panel
with countersunk screws.
I found a couple of minor errors in the panels. They are being corrected.
The new panels do not need any trimming to fit as with the previous versions
of the aluminum overlays.
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These are aluminum panel overlays to replace the plastic overlay. =C2-We w
ill be offering two types. =C2-One for the basic panel, the other will be
blank on the right where the engine gauges are.
-----Original Message-----
From: N26390@aol.com
Sent: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 1:20 pm
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: speaking of overlays
Sorry, I must have missed the beginning of this discussion. But, what or
which overlay are you talking about?=C2- Available for an AA5A with simila
r
minor modifications?
Thanks,
Roger
Rucker
AA5A '78 HWO
=C2-
In a message dated 07/15/2008 2:56:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
teamgrumman@aol.com writes:
I just
got the first 2 sets of the new overlays. =C2-THe primary difference is
that
these have their own clear plastic insert for the gauges. =C2-The clear
plastic will go on the INSIDE of the panel. =C2-The right overlay is fla
t;
i.e., no joggle for the clear plastic like the original. =C2-Thus, if yo
u
wish, you will be able to mount the overlay directly over the gauges with
no
attaching screws showing. =C2-The gauges themselves could be mounted
directly to the panel with countersunk screws.
I found a couple of minor errors in the panels. =C2-They are being
corrected. =C2-The new panels do not need any trimming to fit as with th
e
previous versions of the aluminum overlays.
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