---------------------------------------------------------- TeamGrumman-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 07/15/08: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:06 AM - Re: Annual & new panel (teamgrumman@aol.com) 2. 06:35 AM - Re: Re: Annual & new panel (flyv35b) 3. 06:59 AM - Re: Re: Annual & new panel (SkyMachines) 4. 08:10 AM - Re: Re: Annual & new panel (923te) 5. 08:38 AM - Re: Re: Annual & new panel (flyv35b) 6. 11:05 AM - Re: Re: Annual & new panel (teamgrumman@aol.com) 7. 11:34 AM - Re: Re: Annual & new panel (Marc Coan) 8. 11:55 AM - speaking of overlays (teamgrumman@aol.com) 9. 11:57 AM - speaking of flight test (teamgrumman@aol.com) 10. 01:23 PM - Re: speaking of overlays (N26390@aol.com) 11. 10:50 PM - Re: speaking of overlays (teamgrumman@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:06:55 AM PST US Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Annual & new panel From: teamgrumman@aol.com Hi David,=C2- You battery is on a charger as I write. =C2-The new panel overlays arrived today. =C2-Your timing is impeccable. =C2-I ran into some trouble with one of the planes I'm working on. =C2-So, I had to stop working on yours. =C2-I have two questions which haven't been addressed, see the bottom of t his email. =C2-I have one question regarding the EI EGT/CHT/OAT. Just to verify, before I get too far into this and possibly make an error, =C2- You want: all of the existing avionics and equipment removed. =C2- You want: =C2-A completely new wiring harness that incorporates=C2- =C2-- PMA7000M-S audio panel=C2- =C2-=C2- =C2- - you want a cell phone jack installed on/for this. =C2-- Garmin 430 =C2-(the GPS antenna will be mounted on the glareshield ) =C2-- GX-60=C2-=C2-(the GPS antenna will be mounted on the glareshield ) =C2-- GMX 327 transponder. =C2- =C2-=C2- =C2- - Trans-Cal encoder =C2-. . . . . =C2-Note (1): New circuit breakers will be installed for t he equipment listed above. =C2- =C2-. . . . . =C2-Note (2): If you want the GPS antennas mounted on the aft fuselage,=C2- =C2-=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-I will replace ALL of the coax going to the aft cabin. =C2- =C2-=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-Just these coax cables on the plane on which I am curren tly working cost $400. =C2- =0 A =C2-. . . . . =C2-Note (3): Rewiring the aft cabin adds about 24 hours t o the installation. =C2- =C2-. . . . . =C2-Note (4): You will need an avionics cooling fan. =C2-. . . . . =C2-Note (5): You will need a nav/glideslope indicator for the 430. =C2- You want: both the Garmin 430 and the GX-60 wired to the existing autopilot =C2- You want: a Davtron M800 installed. =C2-You want me to purchase this for y ou and install it. You want: the Mitchell EGT/CHT removed. You want: an existing EI OAT/EGT/CHT installed in the location previously oc cupied by the Mitchell. =C2- You want: the EI OAT installed so that the mechanical OAT can be removed. =C2-. . . . . =C2-Note (1): =C2-Do you want the EGT/CHT installed? You want: the mechanical OAT removed. =C2- You don't want anything done with the existing DMA fuel flow which is alread y installed. You want: a 1" vacuum gauge installed next to the AI. =C2- =C2-. . . . . =C2-Note (1): =C2-I would suggest just installing an idi ot light that can be mounted next to the AI. =C2- You want: a new fiberglass dorsal fin with one antenna installed inside the dorsal fin. =C2-- You want the LORAN antenna removed. =C2- =C2-- You want one of the com antennas mounted on the bottom of the plane. You want: all of the panel switches (fuel pump, nav lights, strobes, pitot h eat, beacon, landing light) replaced. Yo u want: two=C2-auxiliary cigarette-type power jacks installed. =C2-These will be mounted to the right side of the center console, up, underneath, wi thin easy reach.=C2- =C2-. . . . . =C2-Note (1): =C2-I would advise against=C2-mounting t hem in the panel due to =C2-=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- (1) possible=C2-wire shorting problems behind the pan el. =C2-=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- (2)=C2-interference with the flight controls =C2-=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- (3) plugs sticking out of the panel and wires draping a cross the controls. =C2- =C2-=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- (4) lack of space to install =C2-. . . . . =C2-Note (2): =C2-There is no safe place in the aft cabi n to mount a cigarette-type auxiliary jack. =C2-If you wish to have additi onal plugs installed I recommend you find someone willing to accept the liab ility. =C2- =C2-. . . . . =C2-Note (3): =C2-Where would you like all of the fuses and/or circuit breakers mounted for all of these? =C2- =C2-. . . . . =C2-Note (4): =C2-You will need a separate circuit prote ctor for each one. =C2- You want the yokes removed, stripped, drilled, and powder coated in a black hammer-tone finish. =C2- You want my eyebrow installed. =C2-- Do you want lights or=2 0not? =C2- You want: New panel overlays installed. =C2-- What color do you want it powder coated? Gary -----Original Message----- From: David Kessens Sent: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:37 pm Subject: Re: Annual & new panel Gary, This is just a quick mail to see how things are going as I haven't heard much for a while. Also, we would appreciate if you could give the battery a recharge - it is fairly new so it would be a pity if it dies because it completely discharges due to inactivity for such a long time. Thanks! David Kessens --- ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:35:39 AM PST US From: "flyv35b" Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Annual & new panel Gary, sounds like you are going to be busy for quite awhile. I hope the ow ner has a pretty good idea of how much all this is going to cost him so he can plan ahead, rob Fort Knox, etc. Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: teamgrumman@aol.com To: david.kessens@nsn.com ; teamgrumman-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 2:04 AM Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Annual & new panel Hi David, You battery is on a charger as I write. The new panel overlays arrived t oday. Your timing is impeccable. I ran into some trouble with one of the planes I'm working on. So, I had to stop working on yours. I have two que stions which haven't been addressed, see the bottom of this email. I have one question regarding the EI EGT/CHT/OAT. Just to verify, before I get too far into this and possibly make an error , You want: all of the existing avionics and equipment removed. You want: A completely new wiring harness that incorporates - PMA7000M-S audio panel - you want a cell phone jack installed on/for this. - Garmin 430 (the GPS antenna will be mounted on the glareshield) - GX-60 (the GPS antenna will be mounted on the glareshield) - GMX 327 transponder. - Trans-Cal encoder . . . . . Note (1): New circuit breakers will be installed for the equi pment listed above. . . . . . Note (2): If you want the GPS antennas mounted on the aft fus elage, I will replace ALL of the coax going to the aft cabin. =2 0 Just these coax cables on the plane on which I am currently working cost $400. . . . . . Note (3): Rewiring the aft cabin adds about 24 hours to the i nstallation. . . . . . Note (4): You will need an avionics cooling fan. . . . . . Note (5): You will need a nav/glideslope indicator for the 43 0. You want: both the Garmin 430 and the GX-60 wired to the existing autopil ot You want: a Davtron M800 installed. You want me to purchase this for you and install it. You want: the Mitchell EGT/CHT removed. You want: an existing EI OAT/EGT/CHT installed in the location previously occupied by the Mitchell. You want: the EI OAT installed so that the mechanical OAT can be removed. . . . . . Note (1): Do you want the EGT/CHT installed=3F You want: the mechanical OAT removed. You don't want anything done with the existing DMA fuel flow which is alr eady installed. You want: a 1=22 vacuum gauge installed next to the AI. . . . . . Note (1): I would suggest just installing an idiot light tha t can be mounted next to the AI. 0A You want: a new fiberglass dorsal fin with one antenna installed inside t he dorsal fin. - You want the LORAN antenna removed. - You want one of the com antennas mounted on the bottom of the plane. You want: all of the panel switches (fuel pump, nav lights, strobes, pito t heat, beacon, landing light) replaced. You want: two auxiliary cigarette-type power jacks installed. These will be mounted to the right side of the center console, up, underneath, within easy reach. . . . . . Note (1): I would advise against mounting them in the panel due to (1) possible wire shorting problems behind the panel. (2) interference with the flight controls (3) plugs sticking out of the panel and wires draping across the controls. (4) lack of space to install . . . . . Note (2): There is no safe place in the aft cabin to mount a cigarette-type auxiliary jack. If you wish to have additional plugs insta ll ed I recommend you find someone willing to accept the liability. . . . . . Note (3): Where would you like all of the fuses and/or circu it breakers mounted for all of these=3F . . . . . Note (4): You will need a separate circuit protector for eac h one. You want the yokes removed, stripped, drilled, and powder coated in a bla ck hammer-tone finish. You want my eyebrow installed. - Do you want lights or not=3F You want: New panel overlays installed. - What color do you want it powder coated=3F Gary -----Original Message----- From: David Kessens To: TeamGrumman@aol.com Sent: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:37 pm Subject: Re: Annual & new panel Gary, This is just a quick mail to see how things are going as I haven't heard much for a while. Also, we would appreciate if you could give the battery a recharge - it is fairly new so it would be a pity if it dies because it completely discharges due to inactivity for such a long time. Thanks! David Kessens --- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- The Famous, the Infamous, the Lame - in your browser. Get the TMZ Toolbar Now! =5F-=========================================================== =5F-= - The TeamGrumman-List Email Forum - =5F-= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse =5F-= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, =5F-= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, =5F-= Photoshare, and much much more: =5F-= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator=3FTeamGrumman-List =5F-=========================================================== =5F-= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - =5F-= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! =5F-= --> http://forums.matronics.com =5F-=========================================================== =5F-= - List Contribution Web Site - =5F-= Thank you for your generous support! =5F-= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. =5F-= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution =5F-=========================================================== --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Checked by AVG. 7:37 AM -- ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:59:20 AM PST US From: "SkyMachines" Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Annual & new panel If you mount a GNS-430 antenna on the glareshield, can it be approach certified? Not in my experience. Marc Coan Santa Fe, NM _____ From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of flyv35b Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 7:31 AM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Annual & new panel Gary, sounds like you are going to be busy for quite awhile. I hope the owner has a pretty good idea of how much all this is going to cost him so he can plan ahead, rob Fort Knox, etc. Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: teamgrumman@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 2:04 AM Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Annual & new panel Hi David, You battery is on a charger as I write. The new panel overlays arrived today. Your timing is impeccable. I ran into some trouble with one of the planes I'm working on. So, I had to stop working on yours. I have two questions which haven't been addressed, see the bottom of this email. I have one question regarding the EI EGT/CHT/OAT. Just to verify, before I get too far into this and possibly make an error, You want: all of the existing avionics and equipment removed. You want: A completely new wiring harness that incorporates - PMA7000M-S audio panel - you want a cell phone jack installed on/for this. - Garmin 430 (the GPS antenna will be mounted on the glareshield) - GX-60 (the GPS antenna will be mounted on the glareshield) - GMX 327 transponder. - Trans-Cal encoder . . . . . Note (1): New circuit breakers will be installed for the equipment listed above. . . . . . Note (2): If you want the GPS antennas mounted on the aft fuselage, I will replace ALL of the coax going to the aft cabin. =2 0 Just these coax cables on the plane on which I am currently working cost $400. . . . . . Note (3): Rewiring the aft cabin adds about 24 hours to the installation. . . . . . Note (4): You will need an avionics cooling fan. . . . . . Note (5): You will need a nav/glideslope indicator for the 430. You want: both the Garmin 430 and the GX-60 wired to the existing autopilot You want: a Davtron M800 installed. You want me to purchase this for you and install it. You want: the Mitchell EGT/CHT removed. You want: an existing EI OAT/EGT/CHT installed in the location previously occupied by the Mitchell. You want: the EI OAT installed so that the mechanical OAT can be removed. . . . . . Note (1): Do you want the EGT/CHT installed? You want: the mechanical OAT removed. You don't want anything done with the existing DMA fuel flow which is already installed. You want: a 1" vacuum gauge installed next to the AI. . . . . . Note (1): I would suggest just installing an idiot light that can be mounted next to the AI. 0A You want: a new fiberglass dorsal fin with one antenna installed inside the dorsal fin. - You want the LORAN antenna removed. - You want one of the com antennas mounted on the bottom of the plane. You want: all of the panel switches (fuel pump, nav lights, strobes, pitot heat, beacon, landing light) replaced. You want: two auxiliary cigarette-type power jacks installed. These will be mounted to the right side of the center console, up, underneath, within easy reach. . . . . . Note (1): I would advise against mounting them in the panel due to (1) possible wire shorting problems behind the panel. (2) interference with the flight controls (3) plugs sticking out of the panel and wires draping across the controls. (4) lack of space to install . . . . . Note (2): There is no safe place in the aft cabin to mount a cigarette-type auxiliary jack. If you wish to have additional plugs install ed I recommend you find someone willing to accept the liability. . . . . . Note (3): Where would you like all of the fuses and/or circuit breakers mounted for all of these? . . . . . Note (4): You will need a separate circuit protector for each one. You want the yokes removed, stripped, drilled, and powder coated in a black hammer-tone finish. You want my eyebrow installed. - Do you want lights or not? You want: New panel overlays installed. - What color do you want it powder coated? Gary -----Original Message----- From: David Kessens Sent: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:37 pm Subject: Re: Annual & new panel Gary, This is just a quick mail to see how things are going as I haven't heard much for a while. Also, we would appreciate if you could give the battery a recharge - it is fairly new so it would be a pity if it dies because it completely discharges due to inactivity for such a long time. Thanks! David Kessens --- _____ The Famous, the Infamous, the Lame - in your browser. Get the TMZ Toolbar Now ! _____ 2008 7:37 AM _____ I am using emails. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:10:54 AM PST US From: "923te" <923te@att.net> Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Annual & new panel Gary, I encourage you to get an advance on all this work. Why should the owner earn interest on your money and you take all the risk? Give him a ball park estimate on the high side and get at least 1/2 as a down payment. Anyone worth trusting will not have any problem with paying in advance. ----- Original Message ----- From: teamgrumman@aol.com To: david.kessens@nsn.com ; teamgrumman-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 4:04 AM Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Annual & new panel Hi David, You battery is on a charger as I write. The new panel overlays arrived today. Your timing is impeccable. I ran into some trouble with one of the planes I'm working on. So, I had to stop working on yours. I have two questions which haven't been addressed, see the bottom of this email. I have one question regarding the EI EGT/CHT/OAT. Just to verify, before I get too far into this and possibly make an error, You want: all of the existing avionics and equipment removed. You want: A completely new wiring harness that incorporates - PMA7000M-S audio panel - you want a cell phone jack installed on/for this. - Garmin 430 (the GPS antenna will be mounted on the glareshield) - GX-60 (the GPS antenna will be mounted on the glareshield) - GMX 327 transponder. - Trans-Cal encoder . . . . . Note (1): New circuit breakers will be installed for the equipment listed above. . . . . . Note (2): If you want the GPS antennas mounted on the aft fuselage, I will replace ALL of the coax going to the aft cabin. =2 0 Just these coax cables on the plane on which I am currently working cost $400. . . . . . Note (3): Rewiring the aft cabin adds about 24 hours to the installation. . . . . . Note (4): You will need an avionics cooling fan. . . . . . Note (5): You will need a nav/glideslope indicator for the 430. You want: both the Garmin 430 and the GX-60 wired to the existing autopilot You want: a Davtron M800 installed. You want me to purchase this for you and install it. You want: the Mitchell EGT/CHT removed. You want: an existing EI OAT/EGT/CHT installed in the location previously occupied by the Mitchell. You want: the EI OAT installed so that the mechanical OAT can be removed. . . . . . Note (1): Do you want the EGT/CHT installed? You want: the mechanical OAT removed. You don't want anything done with the existing DMA fuel flow which is already installed. You want: a 1" vacuum gauge installed next to the AI. . . . . . Note (1): I would suggest just installing an idiot light that can be mounted next to the AI. 0A You want: a new fiberglass dorsal fin with one antenna installed inside the dorsal fin. - You want the LORAN antenna removed. - You want one of the com antennas mounted on the bottom of the plane. You want: all of the panel switches (fuel pump, nav lights, strobes, pitot heat, beacon, landing light) replaced. You want: two auxiliary cigarette-type power jacks installed. These will be mounted to the right side of the center console, up, underneath, within easy reach. . . . . . Note (1): I would advise against mounting them in the panel due to (1) possible wire shorting problems behind the panel. (2) interference with the flight controls (3) plugs sticking out of the panel and wires draping across the controls. (4) lack of space to install . . . . . Note (2): There is no safe place in the aft cabin to mount a cigarette-type auxiliary jack. If you wish to have additional plugs install ed I recommend you find someone willing to accept the liability. . . . . . Note (3): Where would you like all of the fuses and/or circuit breakers mounted for all of these? . . . . . Note (4): You will need a separate circuit protector for each one. You want the yokes removed, stripped, drilled, and powder coated in a black hammer-tone finish. You want my eyebrow installed. - Do you want lights or not? You want: New panel overlays installed. - What color do you want it powder coated? Gary -----Original Message----- From: David Kessens To: TeamGrumman@aol.com Sent: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:37 pm Subject: Re: Annual & new panel Gary, This is just a quick mail to see how things are going as I haven't heard much for a while. Also, we would appreciate if you could give the battery a recharge - it is fairly new so it would be a pity if it dies because it completely discharges due to inactivity for such a long time. Thanks! David Kessens --- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- The Famous, the Infamous, the Lame - in your browser. Get the TMZ Toolbar Now! ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:38:32 AM PST US From: "flyv35b" Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Annual & new panel Absolutely! ----- Original Message ----- From: 923te To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 8:08 AM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Annual & new panel Gary, I encourage you to get an advance on all this work. Why should the owner earn interest on your money and you take all the risk=3F Give him a ball park estimate on the high side and get at least 1/2 as a down payment. Anyone worth trusting will not have any problem with paying in advance. ----- Original Message ----- From: teamgrumman@aol.com To: david.kessens@nsn.com ; teamgrumman-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 4:04 AM Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Annual & new panel Hi David, You battery is on a charger as I write. The new panel overlays arrived today. Your timing is impeccable. I ran into some trouble with one of th e planes I'm working on. So, I had to stop working on yours. I have two q uestions which haven't been addressed, see the bottom of this email. I hav e one question regarding the EI EGT/CHT/OAT. Just to verify, before I get too far into this and possibly make an err or, You want: all of the existing avionics and equipment removed. You want: A completely new wiring harness that incorporates - PMA7000M-S audio panel - you want a cell phone jack installed on/for this. - Garmin 430 (the GPS antenna will be mounted on the glareshield) - GX-60 (the GPS antenna will be mounted on the glareshield) - GMX 327 transponder. - Trans-Cal encoder . . . . . Note (1): New circuit breakers will be installed for the eq uipment listed above. . . . . . Note (2): If you want the GPS antennas mounted on the aft f uselage, I will replace ALL of the coax going to the a ft cabin. =2 0 Just these coax cables on the plane on whi ch I am currently working cost $400. . . . . . Note (3): Rewiring the aft cabin adds about 24 hours to the installation. . . . . . Note (4): You will need an avionics cooling fan. . . . . . Note (5): You will need a nav/glideslope indicator for the 430. You want: both the Garmin 430 and the GX-60 wired to the existing autop ilot You want: a Davtron M800 installed. You want me to purchase this for y ou and install it. You want: the Mitchell EGT/CHT removed. You want: an existing EI OAT/EGT/CHT installed in the location previous ly occupied by the Mitchell. You want: the EI OAT installed so that the mechanical OAT can be remove d. . . . . . Note (1): Do you want the EGT/CHT installed=3F You want: the mechanical OAT removed. You don't want anything done with the existing DMA fuel flow which is a lready installed. You want: a 1=22 vacuum gauge installed next to the AI. . . . . . Note (1): I would suggest just installing an idiot light t hat can be mounted next to the AI. 0A You want: a new fiberglass dorsal fin with one antenna installed inside the dorsal fin. - You want the LORAN antenna removed. - You want one of the com antennas mounted on the bottom of the plane. You want: all of the panel switches (fuel pump, nav lights, strobes, pi tot heat, beacon, landing light) replaced. You want: two auxiliary cigarette-type power jacks installed. These wi ll be mounted to the right side of the center console, up, underneath, with in easy reach. . . . . . Note (1): I would advise against mounting them in the pane l due to (1) possible wire shorting problems behind t he panel. (2) interference with the flight controls (3) plugs sticking out of the panel and wire s draping across the controls. (4) lack of space to install . . . . . Note (2): There is no safe place in the aft cabin to mount a cigarette-type auxiliary jack. If you wish to have additional plugs ins tall ed I recommend you find someone willing to accept the liability. . . . . . Note (3): Where would you like all of the fuses and/or cir cuit breakers mounted for all of these=3F . . . . . Note (4): You will need a separate circuit protector for e ach one. You want the yokes removed, stripped, drilled, and powder coated in a b lack hammer-tone finish. You want my eyebrow installed. - Do you want lights or not=3F You want: New panel overlays installed. - What color do you want it powder coated=3F Gary -----Original Message----- From: David Kessens To: TeamGrumman@aol.com Sent: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:37 pm Subject: Re: Annual & new panel Gary, This is just a quick mail to see how things are going as I haven't heard much for a while. Also, we would appreciate if you could give the battery a recharge - it is fairly new so it would be a pity if it dies because it completely discharges due to inactivity for such a long time. Thanks! David Kessens --- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- - The Famous, the Infamous, the Lame - in your browser. Get the TMZ Toolb ar Now! href==22http://www.matronics.com/Navigator=3FTeamGrumman-List=22>http://www.matro nics.com/Navigator=3FTeamGrumman-List href==22http://forums.matronics.com=22>http://forums.matronics.com href==22http://www.matronics.com/contribution=22>http://www.matronics.com/c =5F-=========================================================== =5F-= - The TeamGrumman-List Email Forum - =5F-= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse =5F-= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, =5F-= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, =5F-= Photoshare, and much much more: =5F-= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator=3FTeamGrumman-List =5F-=========================================================== =5F-= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - =5F-= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! =5F-= --> http://forums.matronics.com =5F-=========================================================== =5F-= - List Contribution Web Site - =5F-= Thank you for your generous support! =5F-= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. =5F-= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution =5F-=========================================================== --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Checked by AVG. 7:37 AM -- ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:05:46 AM PST US Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Annual & new panel From: teamgrumman@aol.com There is nothing to prevent it from being certified when mounted on the glar eshield. =C2-Why would you think it can't be mounted on the glareshield? =C2-The best place for the antenna is a surface that is horizontal in flig ht. =C2-I've done 4 this way so far. -----Original Message----- From: SkyMachines Sent: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 6:55 am Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Annual & new panel If you mount a GNS-430 antenna on the glareshield, can it be approach certified? Not in my experience. =C2- Marc Coan Santa Fe, NM From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of flyv35b Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 7:31 AM teamgrumman-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Annual & new panel Gary, sounds like you are going to be busy for quite awhile.=C2- I hope the owner has a pretty good idea of how much all this is going to cost him so he can plan ahead, rob Fort Knox, etc. =C2- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: teamgrumman@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 2:04 AM Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Annual & new panel Hi David,=C2- You battery is on a charger as I write. =C2-The new panel overlays arrived today. =C2-Your timing is impeccable. =C2-I ran into some trouble with one of the planes I'm working on. =C2-So, I had to stop working on yours. =C2-I have two questions which haven't been addresse d, see the bottom of this email. =C2-I have one question regarding the EI EGT/CHT/OAT. Just to verify, before I get too far into this and possibly make an error,=C2- You want: all of the existing avionics and equipment removed. =C2- You want: =C2-A completely new wiring harness that incorporates=C2- =C2-- PMA7000M-S audio panel=C2- =C2-=C2- =C2- - you want a cell phone jack installed on/for this. =C2-- Garmin 430 =C2-(the GPS antenna will be mounted on the glareshield) =C2-- GX-60=C2-=C2-(the GPS antenna will be mounted on the glareshield) =C2-- GMX 327 transponder. =C2- =C2-=C2- =C2- - Trans-Cal encoder =C2-. . . . . =C2-Note (1): New circuit breakers will be installed for the equipment listed above. =C2- =C2-. . . . . =C2-Note (2): If you want the GPS antennas mounted on the aft fuselage,=C2- 20 =C2-=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-I will replace ALL of the coax going to the a ft cabin. =C2- =C2-=C2- =C2- =C2-=2 0=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-Just these coax cables on the plane on which I am currently working cost $400. =C2- =C2-. . . . . =C2-Note (3): Rewiring the aft cabin adds about 24 hours to the installation. =C2- =C2-. . . . . =C2-Note (4): You will need an avionics cooling fan. =C2-. . . . . =C2-Note (5): You will need a nav/glideslope indicator for the 430. =C2- You want: both the Garmin 430 and the GX-60 wired to the existing autopilot =C2- You want: a Davtron M800 installed. =C2-You want me to purchase this for you and install it. You want: the Mitchell EGT/CHT removed. You want: an existing EI OAT/EGT/CHT installed in the location previously occupied by the Mitchell. =C2- You want: the EI OAT installed so that the mechanical OAT can be removed. =C2-. . . . . =C2-Note (1): =C2-Do you want the EGT/CHT installed? You want: the mechanical OAT removed. =C2- You don't want anything done with the existing DMA fuel flow which is already installed. You want: a 1" vacuum gauge installed next to the AI. =C2- =C2-. . . . . =C2-Note (1): =C2-I would suggest just installing an idiot light that can be mounted next to the AI. =C2- 0A You want: a new fiberglass dorsal fin with one antenna installed inside the dorsal fin. =C2-- You want the LORAN antenna removed. =C2- =C2-- You want one of the com antennas mounted on the bottom of the plane. You want: all of the panel switches (fuel pump, nav lights, strobes, pitot heat, beacon, landing light) replaced. You want: two=C2-auxiliary cigarette-type power jacks installed. =C2-These will be mounted to the right side of the center console, up, underneath, within easy reach.=C2- =C2-. . . . . =C2-Note (1): =C2-I would advise against=C2-mounting them in the panel due to =C2-=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- (1) possible=C2-wire shorting problems beh ind the panel. =C2-=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- (2)=C2-interference with the flight 20controls =C2-=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- (3) plugs sticking out of the panel and wire s draping across the controls. =C2- =C2-=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- (4) lack of space to install =C2-. . . . . =C2-Note (2): =C2-There is no safe place in the aft cabin to mount a cigarette-type auxiliary jack. =C2-If you wish to hav e additional plugs install ed I recommend you find someone willing to acce pt the liability. =C2- =C2-. . . . . =C2-Note (3): =C2-Where would you like all of the fuses and/or circuit breakers mounted for all of these? =C2- =C2-. . . . . =C2-Note (4): =C2-You will need a separate circuit protector for each one. =C2- You want the yokes removed, stripped, drilled, and powder coated in a black hammer-tone finish. =C2- You want my eyebrow installed. =C2-- Do you want lights or not? =C2- You want: New panel overlays installed. =C2-- What color do you want it powder coated? Gary -----Original Message----- From: David Kessens Jul 2008 12:37 pm Subject: Re: Annual & new panel Gary, This is just a quick mail to see how things are going as I haven't heard much for a while. Also, we would appreciate if you could give the battery a recharge - it is fairly new so it would be a pity if it dies because it completely discharges due to inactivity for such a long time. Thanks! David Kessens --- The Famous, the Infamous, the Lame - in your browser. 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Why would you think it can't be mounted on the glareshield? The best place for the antenna is a surface that is horizontal in flight. I've done 4 this way so far. -----Original Message----- From: SkyMachines To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com Sent: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 6:55 am Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Annual & new panel If you mount a GNS-430 antenna on the glareshield, can it be approach certified? Not in my experience. Marc Coan Santa Fe, NM ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronic s.com] On Behalf Of flyv35b Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 7:31 AM To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Annual & new panel Gary, sounds like you are going to be busy for quite awhile. I hope the owner has a pretty good idea of how much all this is going to cost him so he can plan ahead, rob Fort Knox, etc. Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: teamgrumman@aol.com To: david.kessens@nsn.com ; teamgrumman-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 2:04 AM Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Annual & new panel Hi David, You battery is on a charger as I write. The new panel overlays arrived today. Your timing is impeccable. I ran into some trouble with one of the planes I'm working on. So, I had to stop working on yours. I have two questions which haven't been addressed, see the bottom of this email. I have one question regarding the EI EGT/CHT/OAT. Just to verify, before I get too far into this and possibly make an error, You want: all of the existing avionics and equipment removed. You want: A completely new wiring harness that incorporates - PMA7000M-S audio panel - you want a cell phone jack installed on/for this. - Garmin 430 (the GPS antenna will be mounted on the glareshield) - GX-60 (the GPS antenna will be mounted on the glareshield) - GMX 327 transponder. - Trans-Cal encoder . . . . . Note (1): New circuit breakers will be installed for the equipment listed above. C2 . . . . . Note (2): If you want the GPS antennas mounted on the aft fuselage, I will replace ALL of the coax going to the aft cabin. =2 0 Just these coax cables on the plane on which I am currently working cost $400. . . . . . Note (3): Rewiring the aft cabin adds about 24 hours to the installation. . . . . . Note (4): You will need an avionics cooling fan. . . . . . Note (5): You will need a nav/glideslope indicator for the 430. You want: both the Garmin 430 and the GX-60 wired to the existing autopilot You want: a Davtron M800 installed. You want me to purchase this for you and install it. You want: the Mitchell EGT/CHT removed. You want: an existing EI OAT/EGT/CHT installed in the location previously occupied by the Mitchell. You want: the EI OAT installed so that the mechanical OAT can be removed. . . . . . Note (1): Do you want the EGT/CHT installed? You want: the mechanical OAT removed. You don't want anything done with the existing DMA fuel flow which is already installed. You want: a 1" vacuum gauge installed next to the AI. . . . . . Note (1): I would suggest just installing an idiot light that can be mounted next to the AI. 0A You want: a new fiberglass dorsal fin with one antenna installed inside the dorsal fin. - You want the LORAN antenna removed. - You want one of the com antennas mounted on the bottom of the plane. You want: all of the panel switches (fuel pump, nav lights, strobes, pitot heat, beacon, landing light) replaced. You want: two auxiliary cigarette-type power jacks installed. These will be mounted to the right side of the center console, up, underneath, within easy reach. . . . . . Note (1): I would advise against mounting them in the panel due to (1) possible wire shorting problems behind the panel. (2) interference with the flight controls (3) plugs sticking out of the panel and wires draping across the controls. (4) lack of space to install . . . . . Note (2): There is no safe place in the aft cabin to mount a cigarette-type auxiliary jack. If you wish to have additional plugs install ed I recommend you find someone willing to accept the liability. . . . . . Note (3): Where would you like all of the fuses and/or circuit breakers mounted for all of these? . . . . . Note (4): You will need a separate circuit protector for each one. You wan t the yokes removed, stripped, drilled, and powder coated in a black hammer-tone finish. You want my eyebrow installed. - Do you want lights or not? You want: New panel overlays installed. - What color do you want it powder coated? Gary -----Original Message----- From: David Kessens To: TeamGrumman@aol.com Sent: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:37 pm Subject: Re: Annual & new panel Gary, This is just a quick mail to see how things are going as I haven't heard much for a while. Also, we would appreciate if you could give the battery a recharge - it is fairly new so it would be a pity if it dies because it completely discharges due to inactivity for such a long time. Thanks! David Kessens --- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- The Famous, the Infamous, the Lame - in your browser. 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Get the TMZ Toolbar Now! ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:55:14 AM PST US Subject: TeamGrumman-List: speaking of overlays From: teamgrumman@aol.com I just got the first 2 sets of the new overlays. =C2-THe primary differenc e is that these have their own clear plastic insert for the gauges. =C2-Th e clear plastic will go on the INSIDE of the panel. =C2-The right overlay is flat; i.e., no joggle for the clear plastic like the original. =C2-Thus , if you wish, you will be able to mount the overlay directly over the gauge s with no attaching screws showing. =C2-The gauges themselves could be mou nted directly to the panel with countersunk screws. I found a couple of minor errors in the panels. =C2-They are being correct ed. =C2-The new panels do not need any trimming to fit as with the previou s versions of the aluminum overlays. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:57:10 AM PST US Subject: TeamGrumman-List: speaking of flight test From: teamgrumman@aol.com we did a large portion of the company testing on the cowling yesterday. =C2 -Piece-o'-cake. =C2-Max CHTs on an EI instrument was 401. =C2-Max oil temp was 229. =C2-That is with an OAT of 95. =C2- ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:23:19 PM PST US From: N26390@aol.com Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: speaking of overlays Sorry, I must have missed the beginning of this discussion. But, what or which overlay are you talking about? Available for an AA5A with similar minor modifications? Thanks, Roger Rucker AA5A '78 HWO In a message dated 07/15/2008 2:56:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, teamgrumman@aol.com writes: I just got the first 2 sets of the new overlays. THe primary difference is that these have their own clear plastic insert for the gauges. The clear plastic will go on the INSIDE of the panel. The right overlay is flat; i.e., no joggle for the clear plastic like the original. Thus, if you wish, you will be able to mount the overlay directly over the gauges with no attaching screws showing. The gauges themselves could be mounted directly to the panel with countersunk screws. I found a couple of minor errors in the panels. They are being corrected. The new panels do not need any trimming to fit as with the previous versions of the aluminum overlays. ____________________________________ The Famous, the Infamous, the Lame - in your browser. _Get the TMZ Toolbar Now_ (http://toolbar.aol.com/tmz/download.html?NCID=aolcmp00050000000014) ! (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:50:21 PM PST US Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: speaking of overlays From: teamgrumman@aol.com These are aluminum panel overlays to replace the plastic overlay. =C2-We w ill be offering two types. =C2-One for the basic panel, the other will be blank on the right where the engine gauges are. -----Original Message----- From: N26390@aol.com Sent: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 1:20 pm Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: speaking of overlays Sorry, I must have missed the beginning of this discussion. But, what or which overlay are you talking about?=C2- Available for an AA5A with simila r minor modifications? Thanks, Roger Rucker AA5A '78 HWO =C2- In a message dated 07/15/2008 2:56:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, teamgrumman@aol.com writes: I just got the first 2 sets of the new overlays. =C2-THe primary difference is that these have their own clear plastic insert for the gauges. =C2-The clear plastic will go on the INSIDE of the panel. =C2-The right overlay is fla t; i.e., no joggle for the clear plastic like the original. =C2-Thus, if yo u wish, you will be able to mount the overlay directly over the gauges with no attaching screws showing. =C2-The gauges themselves could be mounted directly to the panel with countersunk screws. I found a couple of minor errors in the panels. =C2-They are being corrected. =C2-The new panels do not need any trimming to fit as with th e previous versions of the aluminum overlays. T he Famous, the Infamous, the Lame - in your browser. 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