---------------------------------------------------------- TeamGrumman-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 09/18/08: 3 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 09:41 PM - Re: Tiger parts for sale (teamgrumman@aol.com) 2. 10:05 PM - Re: Tiger parts for sale (teamgrumman@aol.com) 3. 11:10 PM - Re: Re:cowling update (teamgrumman@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 09:41:09 PM PST US Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Tiger parts for sale From: teamgrumman@aol.com Radical The windows are pretty nice. =C2-I'm not sure how good they'll look once I remove them. =C2-Should you use them? =C2-It's up to you. Gardog -----Original Message----- From: kidradello@aol.com Sent: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:56 pm Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Tiger parts for sale Gardog, Are the side rear windows good enough to go in my Tiger or when I ready, do you think I should go new? Radecal -----Original Message----- From: teamgrumman@aol.com Sent: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:40 pm Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Tiger parts for sale I've got a canopy, windshield, rear side windows, rear window moldings, and hat shelf=C2-from a Tiger. =C2-Very good condition for everything, some better than others. =C2-There are a few scratches on the windshield that w ould come out with polish. =C2-The canopy plastic looks very, very good. =C2-The canopy windows look in very, very good condition. =C2-The rear s ide windows are in very, very good condition. =C2-All windows are gray tin t. =C2- Not sure how much it's all worth. =C2-Make me an offer. =C2- ALSO I have a horizontal and elevator assembly. =C2-It's missing the hardware t hat connects the elevators. =C2-Make me an offer. ======== If you don't need these items, maybe you know someone who does. =C2-Maybe someone from the other20bulletin board might find a use for these items.=C2 - Gary Looking for spoilers and reviews on the new TV season? Get AOL's ultimate gu ide to fall TV. Looking for spoilers and reviews on the new TV season? Get AOL's ultimate gu ide to fall TV. D======================== ============== ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:05:56 PM PST US Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Tiger parts for sale From: teamgrumman@aol.com tried to register but they refused the name TeamGrumman for my user name. =C2-I don't want to start playing those games again. =C2- =C2- Gary, feel free to post this info to the AYA forum as well. There you can also put pictures in your posts. =C2- =C2- We shall not cease from exploration.=C2- And at the end of all our exploring=C2- Will be to arrive were we started=C2- And know the place for the first time - T. S. Eliot=C2- =C2- Steve Roberts=C2- AA1B - 641HY @ ILG=C2- AYA Region 2 Director/Forum Admin=C2- =C2- =C2- ----Original Message Follows----=C2- From: teamgrumman@aol.com=C2- Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Tiger parts for sale=C2- =C2- I've got a canopy, windshield, rear side windows, rear window moldings, and hat shelf=C2-from a Tiger. =C2-Very good condition for everything, some better than others. =C2-There are a few scratches on the windshield that would co me out with polish. =C2-The canopy plastic looks very, very good. =C2-The c anopy windows look in very, very good condition. =C2-The rear side windows are i n very, very good condition. =C2-All windows are gray tint. =C2-=C2- =C2- =C2- Not sure how much it's all worth. =C2-Make me an offer. =C2-=C2- =C2- =C2- ALSO=C2- =C2- =C2- I have a horizontal and elevator assembly. =C2-It's missing the hardware tha t connects the elevators. =C2-Make me an offer.=C2- =C2- =C2- ==========C2- =C2- If you don't need these items, maybe you know someone who does. =C2-Maybe someone from the other bulletin board might find a use for these items.=C2 -=C2- =C2- =C2- Gary=C2- =C2- ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:10:09 PM PST US Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: re:cowling update From: teamgrumman@aol.com I'm sorry, but, I don't understand the question(s?). =C2- (1) What I understand is: =C2-You had hot air coming out of your fresh air vents with an OAT of 70 degrees. =C2- (2) What I understand is: =C2-When you open the cabin heat, the air from t he fresh air vents gets hotter. =C2- (3)=C2-What I understand is: =C2-You were trying to climb a 2-seater at near gross weight with the canopy open. (4)=C2-What I understand is: =C2-Your average rate of climb to 2300 feet was 230 fpm. (5)=C2-What I understand is: =C2-You had oil temps at 290 degrees. ====== (1) Check for a leak from your cowling (2) There is no connection between the cabin heat and fresh air unless someo ne has modified the ventilation system (3) Opening the canopy in flight increases parasitic drag. =C2-Climbing wi th it open is a sure way to get behind the power curve. =C2-Ask me how I k now.=C2- (4) You need some serious engine work. (5) You need some serious engine work. =C2-Then, install a quality digital oil temp sensor. =C2-By quality, I mean, don't buy a Westac or some other cheap, non-approved, instrument. =C2- -----Original Message----- From: Hosler, John Sent: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 11:24 am Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: re:cowling update With that kind of oil temp I would remove oil filter and check for metal. =C2- =0 A John From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Karatsonyi Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 2:05 PM teamgrumman-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: re:cowling update hello all, i have a 1978 grumman aa1-c with the original 0235 L2C i am located in southern ca. my question is i recently flew with a passenger with only using 365lbs of my 489 useful load minus 6-8 gal of gas. i departe d van nuys and slowly climbed to 2300' after about maybe 10 min of flight i noticed oil temp was 290 or so ..close to yellow/red on gauge so i leveled o ut full rich and pull rpm back to 2100rpm it slowly cooled but what i noticed a nd what my question is ...is that cabin heat was off and vents full open(oh by the way i had canopy open) it was 70 degrees outside nice and cool but vents wer e blowing out hot air i verified and cycled cabin heat it got hotter shut it o ff but still warm....does anyone anything about this...thanks michael Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: re:cowling update From: robsherwin@aol.com The same is true of the AA5 (and AA5A) POH's.=C2- The Tiger POH is much more realistic.=C2- The high, and especially the hig h and hot, for the Cheetah's take distance get increasingly ridiculous.=C2- Compare the take off distance over 50' at standard temp at 8,000.=C2- For the =0 ACheetah, it's 2,700 but for the Tiger it's about 3,450.=C2- How can that be?=C2- The Cheetah takes longer at sea level to take off and has a significantly lower service ceiling.=C2- There is no way that it is magica lly that much better than the Tiger just when it's high (and/or hot).=C2- We a ll know that's when those of us that have 150 bhp wish for 160 (or more). By the way, Gary, I now own Kevin Loftus 9853U (since '04).=C2- She flies lik e a champ still (except for that density altitude thing). Rob -----Original Message----- From: flyv35b Sent: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 6:49 am Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: re:cowling update --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "flyv35b" =C2 - =C2- I can tell you one thing: If you believe the takeoff distance (ground roll and over a 50 ft obstacle) performance numbers in an AA-1XX POH for higher densi ty altitude takeoffs you are in for a rude awakening unless you leave LOTS of reserve.=C2- =C2- Cliff=C2- Looking for spoilers and reviews on the new TV season? Get AOL's ultimate gu ide to fall TV. List" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List ttp://forums.matronics.com =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. 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